Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[Syndesis]

syndnious

Tch.

VOTE: Garmr

[Syndesis]

Vote: Syndesis

for obvious reasons.

Alright so I like to start things off with a couple housekeeping things that I'd appreciate if people respond to. It may or may not help find scum, but it makes the game easier for me and possibly others to follow.

1) Is anyone in a non-American time zone, or for other reasons posts in odd hours?
2) Is anyone here brand new or otherwise unfamiliar with how the game is played here at mafiascum.net?
3) What kind of level of activity should we expect from you?

:D

1) I live in Pacific time as well.
2) I will probably not do anything overly stupid.
3) Hopefully high, though unforeseen RL circumstance may intervene. When I'm online I'm usually very active, though.

[Syndesis]

ICeNinja voting the IC to look like Stupid Town.

I see through that plot.

VOTE: IceNinja

I think this is a misinterpretation of Ice's vote.

Welp, that was an easy RVS.

Firebringer calls me town and votes me in the same post.

Unvote, vote Firebringer

.

In the same vein, this is a misinterpretation of Fire's post. Or an accelerated exit from RVS, which I appreciate.

Yea that's definitely a misrep of Fire's quote.
VOTE: iceninja

I dislike this.

Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Vote Garmr

.

I disagree, but Garmr's first post is still possibly interesting.


There's so much interesting stuff in this thread that I will go back and look at once I'm on an actual computer.

[Syndesis]

Originally I wrote a quotewall. It is hopefully condensed now.

Lol i knew syndnious was innocent child before the game started because the mod sent me his role pm :P.

This is

probably

just innocent (no pun intended) amusement. (It does read a little oddly, though I'm not sure why or if that means anything.)

The interaction between Ice and Fire (lol) seems a little awkward to me, and to be honest it feels slightly fake.

Yea that's definitely a misrep of Fire's quote.
VOTE: iceninja

I seriously do not like this vote.

No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.

Unvote

.

Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Vote Garmr

.

That shift though. It fits a narrative of poorly executed RVS bussing but it also fits a narrative of...something else, I guess? Baiting overly aggressive scum? The logic on Garmr is kind of a stretch and I wish Ice would have continued the push on Fire, which was moderately better.


I swear, it's like everyone I look at is scum. ;-;

UNVOTE: Garmr
VOTE: Diego

[Syndesis]

Could we please crop the quote pyramids if at all possible? Thanks.

[Syndesis]

I already feel like fire's initial reaction is more town than scum, though I think twice I've seen someone dislike the second vote on me without explaining why. Could one of you expand on what specifically bugged you?

That may have been me twice. That vote is poorly supported and directly follows Fire's vote in a wagony, opportunistic manner.

Ice is town and will not be the lynch today.

Care to explain or?

[in response to Ice]
Anyways, I don't know what to think of you, I guess you want to move us out of RVS?
Could be town, unsure.

UNVOTE: Iceninja

UNVOTE: MarioManiac4

VOTE: Firebringer

This smells fishy. I'm not sure I like the precedence of the unvote.

"Precedence of the unvote"? Could you clarify that?


I swear, every time Fire and Ice interact I feel like they're both scum.

[Syndesis]

Someone talk to me about Diego?

[Syndesis]

Someone talk to me about Diego?

What specifically?

The icky vote on Ice.

Spoiler: said vote

Yea that's definitely a misrep of Fire's quote.
VOTE: iceninja

Someone talk to me about Diego?

Last game I played with him he is scum.
He did same kind of thing with the whole "I am new or w/e pls forgive my bad play"

Do you think this is alignment indicative? Also, what do you think of above vote?

[Syndesis]

I'd really like Diego to come in and post some content.

Why Diego specifically?

Well, Firebringer unvoted right after Iceninja called out a town read on him, which is IMO kind of scummy.

Ah. Thanks.

Someone talk to me about Diego?

What do you want to talk about him?

The icky vote on Ice in 20.

[Syndesis]

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

Hi. Got anything to add?

[Syndesis]

Not really. It's page four. I often struggle to get much early on.

You don't have any opinion on fire or ninja?

Or Ice? Or Garmr's first post? Or Diego? Etc?

[Syndesis]

Ice is town and will not be the lynch today.

Are you townreading him for is questions? Why do you sound so certain? Why haven't you answered other people who asked you this?

He did, in 61, though it's inserted into my quote.

[Syndesis]

@Davsto: you've posted quite a few times, but have contributed next to nothing content wise. Gun to your head, you have to lynch someone RIGHT NOW. Who and why?

Firebringer because I don't have confident enough reads to lynch anyone, but I can't read Firebringer at all, so getting his alignment straight early on is useful.

That would literally only be if you forced me, though. I would rather just wait until the end of the day where I have more solid reads with more to go off. I can be quite slow early game, sometimes.

I'd love to hear any vaguely defined thoughts you might have! :D

[Syndesis]

Watching Fire and Ice interact makes me cringe.

@Syndesis; Diego's vote did seem awkward; I'm trying a more relaxed playstyle in this game, so will leave my vote unti there's more evidence than a vibe.

You'd rather stay on your RVS vote than move to an iffy-looking personage? ...okay.

@Diego: yeah, no. I don't really

like

Ice right now but no. It would certainly help if you produced some content not related to Ice, for one.

I think people might be misreading some of Ice's actions but some of the stuff he's done is sort of pinging me. I still persist in the deathtunnel on Diego, however.

The number of people who have posted rather too little content for my liking is disconcertingly high. Looking mostly at Davsto and maybe Archmage (yes I know you've posted but you've made little in the way of commentary). Wanderer seems townish.

[Syndesis]

Have apparently reached point where everyone melts into one person. Somewhat annoyed.

[@Garmr]
That being said, I still feel like you are more likely to be scum than anyone else in this game right now, based on the information I currently have. Others disagree and that's fine, but no one as of yet has presented a case compelling enough for me to be convinced.

How do you feel about Diego? In terms of alignment.

[Syndesis]

okay wow that escalated fast

@Garmr: more punctuation, please?

and other posts are NY town read on D's and trying to convince others to vote you but I'll answer that shortly if you were town

I mean, I can kind of make out what you're saying here? But please clarify?

[Syndesis]

Syndesis:

Seems to be tunnelling Diego a bit. I'd have to throw a light town-reading, nothing really suspicious that I saw.

lol hahah-

archmage you know syn is innocent child

dammit you beat me-

Syndesis:

Seems to be tunnelling Diego a bit. I'd have to throw a light town-reading, nothing really suspicious that I saw.

Townslip or nah?

>:|

You bring up a good point. I doubt mafia would

truly

be unaware of my conftownness (having, presumably, pregame chat?) but this is an easy to fake "slip", so I'd so no.

[Syndesis]

You bring up a good point. I doubt mafia would

truly

be unaware of my conftownness (having, presumably, pregame chat?) but this is an easy to fake "slip", so I'd say no.

EBWOP. (I even spotted the typo in the second after I hit submit >__>)

[Syndesis]

Archmage's last post was a gigantic wall of IIoA, and I really have a hard time believing a townie would think that was useful.

Pistachi0n is also likely scum. She's very noticeably more reactive as scum and more proactive as town, and I've seen no proactive out of her.

Hi AA :D Nice to play with you again!

I do agree that it is mostly IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis), but do you think that IIoA is a scumtell in this instance?

[Syndesis]

@Syndesis - It's been awhile since I've played on here. Do mafia get pregame chat?

...that's a good question. I assumed so but that assumption is mostly based on RtR and I've never really payed attention to it in the games I watch.

@Mod(s): Do mafia get to speak pregame?

[Syndesis]

@

pistachi0n

:

I'm not sure I like the precedence of the unvote.

"Precedence of the unvote"? Could you clarify that?

Well, Firebringer unvoted right after Iceninja called out a town read on him, which is IMO kind of scummy.

[Syndesis]

VOTE: Archmage
I agree with All Alone. Burn the mage!

You agree that Archmage is IIoAing, correct? Same question to you, then. Do you believe that this is a scumtell in this instance? Of what strength?

[Syndesis]

@Mod(s): Do mafia get to speak pregame?

(actual post coming eventually)

[Syndesis]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!

[Syndesis]

Consider Scorpius ad 3dice as suspicious.

Why?

[Syndesis]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

Monkeyman is trolling us I believe.

.-.

[Syndesis]

So Archmage! How do you feel about...

-Scorpious, now that he's posted something?
-All Alone's push on you?
-3dice suggesting that you not knowing I was IC was a townslip?

Additionally, do you think the exchanges between Ice and Fire and Garmr have left any indicators of their respective alignments?

[Syndesis]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

Monkeyman is trolling us I believe.

Hey Fire! I believe you may have misinterpreted my post?

[Syndesis]

Yay! Good content from Archmage! Yay! Unfortunately I don't have the brain cells to analyze that as of right now, but yay!

Hey fire!

I like the things you do.

Hey Fire

If I could be you.

gr8 answer m8

I'm...trying to decide if you're trolling, seriously believed what you said, or are up to shenanigans. (@201)

[Syndesis]

Will concur with the sentiment of 259 (above). I'm sort of drowning in paranoid doubt right now, so refraining from making other comments.

[Syndesis]

Hey Alchemist, what you think so far buddy?

Syndesis, I am not a troll.

Okay. (That may have been the wrong word, I guess?)

I just find it really hard to believe that you wouldn't consider pregamechat standard, having played so many games on MS.

[Syndesis]

Fair enough @265. I'm just...really confused by this. I dunno. Am I reading too much into it?

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

[Syndesis]

Also, why is discussion on whether scum had pregame/day chat relevant? The question came from Archmage seeming to not realize syndesis was an Innocent Child, but that fact is in the OP so I wouldn't call that a Townslip or an attempt to fake one.

Someone (3dice?) brought it up as a possible townslip and then I proceeded to get hung up on it >__>

So, uh, let me be actually useful and just
VOTE: Davsto

[Syndesis]

Davsto's second OMGUS vote in 2 pages.

Choo choo! All aboard the lynch train!

Do you think the OMGUS is a good reason to lynch Davsto?

[Syndesis]

Yeah I'm not super fond of Davsto wagon either at this point.

Man. What is reading. What is consistency. What is scumhunting. What is independent thought.

;-;

[Syndesis]

VOTE: pistachi0n

Dislike 311.

[Syndesis]

In the...two? games where I skimmed pistachi0n's iso, she does look a bit townier than this. Obviously not firsthand meta, etc, but.

The sudden vote shift onto Archmage also rings off.

[Syndesis]

Trying to decide if Archmage's improved usefulness is town-improved usefulness or scum-improved usefulness.

[Syndesis]

I can't say I like the townbloc thing, either.

(I apologize for the disjointed commentary but

I

can't get my head in this game either.)

[Syndesis]

Or maybe you're just buddying really hard, which one presumes is the major concern here.

I generally find paranoia townier than that kind of faith in your own reads, but that's

probably

personal bias so it's not grounds for a strong read.

Do you think questioning your "townbloc" is scummy behavior? What about opposition to townblocs in general?

[Syndesis]

I think direct opposition with no reasoning other than a town block is scummy but opposition because they believe either ds or I is scum is ok as long as it isn't bs reasoning that's obviously slapped on to try cover up that it's a direct response to a town block.

Who is this mysterious ds person??

okay it's pretty obviously Fire but still

I'm pretty sure someone somewhere had an anti-townbloc crusade so that's probably coloring my response, but I don't think anyone can really read anyone that well halfway into D1 after only a couple of games. I dunno, maybe you can, but I'm skeptical.

Also I liked wanderer nls response because even through she seems against it

[snipped]

It feels more like a warning to be careful with it. Also she understands what a town block really is a strong town read with two people.

I...think you're reading too much into that.

[snipped]

If you suspected Archmage for creating early game plausible deniability, why wait until just now to attack him for it? It reads like you're looking for a reason to get on the most viable counterwagon to yourself.

This is exactly what I was feeling and failing to articulate. Though I have developed reads in a similar situation as town, it feels a lot like a counterwagon hop.

[Syndesis]

@Syndesis: I'm around here a little longer than you have and I played a lot more games than you have. I do understand your scepticism towards early townblocs, but here's the thing: some people are a lot easier to read than others. Some people obvtown themselves early on in a game and other people know what to look for in some players to read them as either town or scum. Some people you meet once a year, others you meet about just every other game you're in (hi Firebringer, Mario and Davsto) It's all about timing, timezone and what sort of game you're looking for to play. I've gotten to know a certain amount of players very well in my short time here and that makes it easier for me to read them.

Yeah, just imagine all my posts come with YES I AM A NEWB DON'T LISTEN TO ME VERY MUCH attached except I got tired of it and it undermined my credibility and bleh.

...Anyway, point taken.

Theory related stuff

: I don't think there's much wrong with Garmr's idea beyond it's too early. Townhunting is a legit strategy, and townblocing is just an extension of multiple people using that method in cohesion. I think players can Townhunt from the very start of the game, but a bloc shouldn't be organized until later in the game because of the generally lower accuracy of earlier reads and it gives scum a guideline of who to kill.

[/Theory]

Does anyone think it's impossible for pistachion and archmage to be scum together? I think pistachion's post could have been made towards Arch regardless of Arch's alignment (it could be bussing just as easily as jumping on a Town counterwagon). Frankly I could lynch either one at this point and don't care which is first.

Thanks (I try to keep my flail mostly hidden, but I flail a lot internally).

To be honest I think the thing about pistachi0n is mostly pattern recognition for me and in the original case said person was voting a townie. I'd...tend to think Archmage would be less likely to be scum for it? but don't feel super strongly about it.


...I keep getting ninja'd and this is silly.

[Syndesis]

@Syndesis: sorry, I don't want to sound *I dunno what word it is I'm looking for but I mean teaching in some sort of not too positive way* anyways, sorry, my filter is down a bit because wine and stuff. I appreciate your input and all I wanted to say really was that I could see where you were coming from.

Nah, it's okay. I probably came across as a bit defensive too but being super apologetic is my natural state of being (not a good trait for playing mafia) so it sort of ended up sounding a bit bitier than I intended? I appreciate all advice, really.

And then I got ninja'd twice, again. >_>

[Syndesis]

Garmr, can you sum up your reasons for voting 3dice real quick?

[Syndesis]

Well. That happened.

I have the impression that Garmrwagon is bad but I'll examine it in detail in a bit.

[Syndesis]

Boy was this a lot of fun.

I'm probably rehashing points already addressed but this helps me engage.

@

Garmr

(may be easier to just iso yourself)
401: Did he say you were scumreading anyone? No. He said you were setting up to do so. Which I agree with. There's also some echoed wording here, mmm. What makes his attack on your townbloc bad/scummy/worse than others? ...Why are you townreading pistachi0n, again? This post is...really quite strongly defensive, I guess, which might actually be townie.
406: The existence of an exception doesn't mean he's wrong. Which Davsto promptly pointed out.
410: >___> Also, some people do look naturally scummier at certain points in the game. (Do you disagree?)
411: Please listen carefully. Just because you aren't scumreading someone doing behavior X doesn't mean that you are not scumreading someone else doing behavior X and wrongfully.
415: The thing is, they clearly don't perceive it as neutral.
417: No, the point is that you are weakly scumreading people for opposing your townbloc.
421: Let me try to explain.

Some person: Townbloc is kind of scummy. [Implicit opposition to the townbloc.]
You: Painting a townbloc as scummy is scummy. [Implicit scumread for opposing the townbloc.]

431: That's not his point! -__-

@

Alchemist

420: Undecided on alignments but personality clash is clearly a factor.

@

Archmage

423: Why?

@

Ice

429: If someone always looks objectively scummy in X situation, then are they really subjectively scummy?

@

All Alone

How do you feel about Garmr? The Garmr/Davsto argument?

[Syndesis]

@Ice
I wish I could articulate this better, but if Davsto's baseline level of scumminess is always high then you have to recalibrate your reads, right?

479 (immediately above this): I mean, you didn't use the term IIoA in the part Scorpious quoted/agreed with, so it's plausible, but still a bit...weird.

@Garmr
447:
1. I think you use the word misrep too liberally. Also I disagree on the misrepping (ish?) but I'll move on because it's pointless.
2. Fair.
4. It doesn't matter what you believe,

it matters what they believe

. Being theory-wrong isn't alignment indicative (unless it's lying about being theory-wrong in which case I...).
5. Disclaimer: translations of Davsto do not necessarily reflect my own opinion.

If someone genuinely finds your townbloc scummy on principle (and most, to my recollection, have been reasoned more than that) then I don't think you can really scumread them for that. (Can you?)

448: Meta that is not firsthand, at least for me, is difficult to give much credence to.

@Archmage
451: That seems like...really...weak meta.


I could maybe? get on board a Davsto lynch? but I can't remember why I was thinking that? >__>

[Syndesis]

Yay for reasoned explanations!

I wouldn't necessarily contest a scumread on Garmr for the townbloc'ing but I feel okayish about him right now.

It was scummy of you to wait until after Davsto voted you to vote for him.

Why?

[Syndesis]

Ooh yeah that Scorp wagon is looking really good about now.

I'd like to see you answer 470,

Scorpious

?

[Syndesis]

Half of me thinks 485 (above post) is really very town and the other half isn't quite sure yet.

[Syndesis]

It was scummy of you to wait until after Davsto voted you to vote for him.

Why?

Reiterating for pista.

[Syndesis]

.-.

let me just

express my disgruntlement

before I start chainposting reads

[Syndesis]

Never mind on the chainposting (I just checked the timestamp on the hammer), but the disgruntlement still stands.

@

Scorpious

The question, at least to my recollection, was "why is the behavior discussed in 462 scummy enough to tip you into voting?"

A Brief Compilation of Thoughts About People

I genuinely believe Garmr believes what he's saying and thus the tiff with Davsto is not a good reason to scumread him. I lean town.

Ice is pretty town. (Part of me says

too

town, but I have generally learned to save the paranoia for later game.)

All Alone says good words.

Alchemist really hasn't redeemed Diego's scumminess.

Fire is meh.

Scorp now downgraded below pista, not necessarily mitigated by Davsto scumflip.

Archmage is meh but definitely an easy lynch.

Mario can be town, I guess? I feel don't feel strongly on this.

Wanderer can be town too, though I'm afraid 80% of this read is just tonal and thus not good.

My feelings on pista have faded.

I can hardly remember 3dice exists >__>

[Syndesis]

I no longer think Garmr is scum after Davsto's flip.

I agree with Alchemist's assessment of All Alone.

VOTE: All Alone

But what about his assessment of Mario??

[Syndesis]

@Garmr:

575: Fair enough, though my read remains largely based on the nature of your interactions.
576: That doesn't sound like a super strong correlation, but okay.

[Syndesis]

complements Garmr profusely

Why, that MM4 case looks magnificent!

[Syndesis]

@

Mario

: your read on pistachi0n, please?

[Syndesis]

Ehh, I'll get on board the Mario wagon.

VOTE: Mario

pistachi0n flip might be more interesting, but I have a stronger read on Mario.

[Syndesis]

Fire--Where did he go?
ICEninja-really pinged me when he started pushing me on something insignificant. Scum lean
pistachio- loos like an easy mislynch.. null-town
Archamage-been wary ever since that first "forced" read wall. lean scum
Wanderer-logical progression on me hammering.. Town

Fire: ... .-. ???
Ice: Can you remind me where? Also why that would be scummy?
pista: Why??
Archmage: Has your read on them progressed at all?
Wanderer: Why is that town/do you have any other reasons?

[Syndesis]

Hey syndesis, what are your thoughts on alchemist?

Nothing much. Mostly paranoia left over from Diego.

At some point I will sit down and give this game some love but this week is insane.

[Syndesis]

...lovely. I can't count.

Disapproving looks at pistachi0n bringing Mario to L-1 unannounced.

[Syndesis]

Someone sounds a tad survivalistic, don't you think?

VT. Go on. Do it before you get some suspicion for it, Scorpius.

I get suspicion for everything.. no different..

VOTE: Davsto

hnnnng

Unparanoid half of me says this is scum shade-throwing. Paranoid half says this is cheeky scum coaching. Paranoid-of-my-paranoid-half half says this is scum wine-throwing.

(

three halves? say what?

)

I...might actually be inclined to townread Scorp for that, though. Maaaaybe.

[Syndesis]

Upon reading the post-hammer sequence again, I feel pretty okay about my vote. Maybe I'm playing too simplistically, but I think it reflects Mario-scum more than Scorpious-scum.

[Syndesis]

I'll ask that we hold off on a hammer for maybe another day-ish if at all possible, because I finally have time to actually reread again.

[Syndesis]

clutches head

screams

[Syndesis]

Good thing Dav flipped scum or I might have to defend myself about a hammer..

See this? Scorpious is literally using Davsto's flip as a justification for the hammer. A townie wouldn't have known how Dav would have flipped when hammering, and thus would have come up with some other justification before doing it. Scum wouldn't have to since they'd already know the flip.

What's scum-Scorpious's motivation to lolhammer Davsto? Taken out of this context, isn't lolhammering scum a strong town associative?

[Syndesis]

Reads provided in vaguely town-to-scum order.

Ice
Garmr
~

line of ambivalence

~
Scorpious (like I am literally torn here; see below)
3dice
AA (moves up with pistachi0n scumflip, down with pistachi0n townflip/Mario scumflip)
Wanderer
~

line of disapproval

~
Archmage (Davsto responds to them somewhat more than others?)
Alchemist (remains residual from Diego; has not looked really town to me yet)
pistachi0n


Scorpious seems like either he's not paying much attention or being really, really scummy. I'm willing to call it a townlean for now, but this is mostly based on two large piles of scumminess and towniness and the towniness pile is only a smidgen bigger right now.

Spoiler: paranoid rant

What if AA+Archmage
What if Alchemist
What if Alchemist+Mario
What if 3dice+Mario
What if 3dice+Alchemist
What if Scorpious
What if everyone
What if I stopped banging my head into walls of bad associatives

I'm done vomiting words for now. Hammer if you want

so I can stop WIFOMing myself on Scorpious

. Will probably attempt another reread overnight.

[Syndesis]

-_- Did you really just hammer?

The answer would appear to be yes.

If Mario flips scum, what would this say about Wanderer?

[Syndesis]

Congratulations.
You just lynched town.
Scum is in (pist, wanderer, scorpious, garmr) and everybody else can be Town.

Why is Wanderer scum? Solely because of the early hammer?

I think our lovely lady wanderer is town I can understand a null read but not a scum read.

I think he scumreading her because she hammered him early.

"early"

Do you believe this warrants a scumread?

PPE:

If that's the case, why did Fire, not him, die? Sounds like a ploy to defend his bloc, and lynch me, who opposed it.

That's vaguely illogical but meh.

[Syndesis]

Because she claimed something was "robotical" which I don't see at all.

Fair enough.

How is it vaguely illogical that I realise that the death of Fire gains nothing more than the death of Garmr for scum, unless Garmr is scum himself?

Maybe the scum thought Fire was more of a threat? Have you thought of that?? PPE for 756: ...yeaaaaah

[Syndesis]

All Alone

, are you still scumreading pista?

Your only two reads are the mod confirmed innocent child and the second best wagon from yesterday?

QFT

[Syndesis]

Questions, yay! Directed towards

everyone

.

-What distribution of scum do you see across Mario and Scorpious's wagons?
-Do you think scum bussed/attacked/scumread one another yesterDay?
-Is there a strong reason for the Garmr kill? (I'm about to go back and look again, but I'd like to see what others think.)

[Syndesis]

Alch

Garmr

3dice
Syndesis
Wanderer

>__>

Also, like, if you're not ready for hammer, you should probably unvote so Scorp doesn't selfhammer.

Will check to see how claim looks in the context of other normals but it doesn't look great.

[Syndesis]

In ~300 mini normals, commuters were mostly town and mostly shotted. That claim is really kind of weird though. Seriously. Plus, the number of times Scorp hasn't known who the NK was is...disturbing.

The speed of this wagon is also a little disconcerting, though.

[Syndesis]

In said 300 games (ie, a quick ctrl-F through the mini normal archives) I found a single instance of an unlimited town commuter, 3 1-shot town commuters, 2 1-shot scum commuters, and 2 2-shot town commuters. The unlimited commuter was in an otherwise mountainous 11:2, so you probably don't want to count that.


Some thoughts:

-Vaguely paranoid flickers at Ice.
-Scorp's hammer post (507) is...apathetic at best and...doesn't really match up with my image of scumplay.
-3dice's half of Ice v 3dice sounds kind of odd.
-pista's 779 raises eyebrows.
-Archmage's 783 strikes me as town, not sure why.
-Would scum really claim something so...scummy, I guess?

Wait that's TSTBS

-I'm constantly torn on Scorp. The things he says plus his claim are really objectively scummy but something about the tone sounds town sometimes.
-Alch's push on AA: chainsaw or no? (confbias is great, guys!!)
-

Scorpious

, please justify your scumreads. (I skimmed but didn't see any reasoning.)

[Syndesis]

Yeah, maybe I'm wifoming this too hard, but unlimited commuter seems like a really out-there claim

in general

. Enough that I'm kind of hesitant about this lynch.

@

Mod

: AA's on that VC twice.

[Syndesis]

Scorpious has claimed "2-shot weak doctor" as scum in a mini normal. I feel like he's the type to make outlandish fakeclaims that draw exactly this sort of reaction.

I mean, unlimited commuter is a whole new level of outlandish, but I get your gist. Still, I'm not yet entirely sure this is the lynch I'd want today - this is probably me overthinking things, though.


Right now I can see any two of {Scorp, pista, Alch} as viable scumteams, or one of those plus someone I haven't really considered. Thoughts?

[Syndesis]

Ice

, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the third scum.

Scorp

, if you're town, talk to me.

Mage- Seems to me like he's so desperately trying to

paint me as scum

,however is doing it in a way that he can

slide it off

when I flip town,because he knows that I am in fact. Not mafia

Can you elaborate?

All Alone- just lazy voting.. Told people to sheep Mage then flips to me with like 10 words..

How does this suggest laziness? How does laziness suggest scum?

When it comes to Scorpious, the wine is real.

[Syndesis]

@

Scorpious

: So, in a nutshell, confbias.

ok then

So does anyone have a role to counteract a commuter...?

1. Really??
2. What counteracts a commuter?

[Syndesis]

It's to officially mark my vote.

Why do you feel the need to do so?

[Syndesis]

I was trying to find if there was a chance Scorp could be town. I don't know what counteracts a commuter.

Is decreasing the amount of scumminess of Scorp's claim worth outing another PR?

Honestly I'm not even sure roleblocker can stop it.

It can't.

[Syndesis]

It's to officially mark my vote.

Why do you feel the need to do so?

Reiterating this.

[Syndesis]

Someone feel like re-explaining why pistachi0n was being townread again?

[Syndesis]

I have never thought this, but nobody really listens to me about pistacion scum.

I'm listening (now)!

[Syndesis]

OMGUS vote on All Alone

Why precisely is this scummy?

[Syndesis]

Intent to hammer within the next 24 hours, bar objection, I guess.

[Syndesis]

beautiful

[Syndesis]

Huh.

I had the vague impression he was a power role. Alas. Didn't expect a cop, though.

I think that might be it in terms of PRs? Unless the last two scum are both really strong PRs or some such.

My current scumpool is Alch/Wanderer/3dice.

[Syndesis]

I'm terribly paranoid of a godfather, yeah. I doubt there's a protective.

[Syndesis]

Town Universal Backup

what in the name of god

Is it worth considering the possibility of another non-town role?

[Syndesis]

I'm disconcerted by the amount of claimed/flipped town power, that's all. It's probably a silly thought.

Massclaim...could be worth it? I guess? Hmm. ~indecisiveness~

[Syndesis]

If Ice had investigated Scorp I assume he'd have lent more credence to Scorp's claim.

[Syndesis]

I looked again and I think AA is the most likely check. I think it's probably unlikely that he checked Scorpious because you don't check people you're planning to deathtunnel the next day, do you?

[Syndesis]

It's interesting to me that Wanderer was off the Scorp wagon. Also, perhaps, 3dice's vote.

[Syndesis]

I think 3dice and Wanderer should claim.

[Syndesis]

I'm suspicious of Alchemist's claim as a universal backup. It sounds far-fetched, but maybe he's thinking

we don't lynch someone with a far-fetched claim after we screwed up on Scorpious

. Or he really is town, because yeah, I don't want to make the mistake we made yesterday.

My thoughts precisely.

Back when I thought Scorp was scum, I thought Wanderer was scum with him because of her overly dramatic vote, and her later unvote to take him off L-1. But now I think it's either

Wanderer or Scorpious

.

?

[Syndesis]

I would prefer 3dice claim first.

[Syndesis]

This is the final VC of D1.

The Archmage Ludicrous (2) Wanderer-nl, alchemist,

Hmmh.

[Syndesis]

Affirmed.

Will synopsize neighborhood shortly. (Or longly, as the case may be.)

[Syndesis]

A ctrl-f through 300 archived mini normals:

9 full town
2 3-s town
3 1-s town
2 full maf

Our neighborhood was just the two of us.

[Syndesis]

I'm not capable of making anything brief. Ask for clarification if things are worded too laconically.

N2

:
-thought about neighborizing Ice/Fire/Garmr but paranoia
-agrees wrt possibility of town Scorp but still leans scum
-AA scum if Scorp isn't
-pista town if AA scum
-wary of Archmage
-doesn't give read on Alch or 3dice

-hammer: game stalling, paranoia, etc
-should look more into 3dice

-scum on Mario wagon
-3dice buddy if Scorp scum
-Scorp town means divided scum
-scum 1-shot n wouldn't choose IC (would kill IC before lylo)
--someone towny
--but not so much lack of kill would look weird
--familiarity

N3

:
-initially agrees to out, given probability of my dying
-didn't find claim reasonable grounds to lynch
-Scorp was universal scumread
-still not bad lynch

-brief doubt of Ice, but drops it
-Archmage town
-AA scum, but unsure because pista somewhat scummy
-changes mind on being outed due to probably being last/among last PR
-still null on Alch and 3dice

[Syndesis]

-thought about neighborizing Ice/Fire/Garmr but paranoia

Wait...

Wanderer

thought about neighborizing ICE/Fire/Garmr? Or is there an unmentioned third party in the neighborhood?

She was talking about her thoughts on her neighborize target.

Like, you're summarizing what happened in the neighborhood, right?

Yeah, mostly on Wanderer's side.

If I interpret this right, something fishy is going on here. Wanderer claimed to be a one-shot neighborizer, but Syndesis seems to have the impression that Wanderer was implying an ability to neighorize additional players.

Nah. I'm just not good at words.

[Syndesis]

I have a

really

hard time seeing 5 town PRs with 2 scum PRs at most.

[Syndesis]

On the other hand, what is balance anyway

[Syndesis]

I think there's a reasonable chance they're both scum, though.

Isn't it unlikely that scum!Alch would claim PR when he knew scum!Wanderer was known to me? Or do you think this is some carefully orchestrated scum shenanigans?

[Syndesis]

Looked at the formation of Davsto's wagon again.

Spoiler: interesting quotes?

We have 3 wagons; [...] Davsto (not sure about this one but also not against it)

[...] nothing has changed about my opinion of Davsto from my reads list. I say we lynch him

Vote: Davsto

@Davsto - If you flip town, who do you want us to pursue tomorrow?

I still think Dav is going to flip Town.

The Archmage Ludicrous (2) Wanderer-nl, alchemist,

I don't think scum would be voting together in a CW D1

[Syndesis]

Alch, I think.

...On the other hand, I think a Wanderer/Alch scumteam somewhat unlikely, so perhaps 3dice should be the lynch...but no. I've been going back and forth but I think this is the best lynch.

VOTE: Alchemist

Declaring L-2 too silly? Who cares, doing it anyway.

[Syndesis]

Well I mean I confirmed them as a neighborizer; everything else is debatable.

[Syndesis]

In mylo IC or clears are guaranteed to be killed so there's little benefit in no lynching. However, I do agree that the dayvig spec is a bit off. (I...would find it /quite/ unlikely that there would be a scum dayvig in a normal? But anyway.)

(I'm also reasonably sure a backup neighborizer would get a new hood? But I dunno.)

[Syndesis]

My role did have an exemption for the Innocent Child. If it died first I would instead get the next Town PR that died.

/squints at/

See, I was

just

thinking about how a mafia universal backup would handle IC...

...and a backup commuter - now

that

would be useful for mafia...

So tell me,

why do you think I as scum would claim Universal Backup

and push the idea we may be in MyLo in the first place? What would I gain from that?

To attempt to become conftown? To push a no lynch?

However, I do agree that the dayvig spec is a bit off. (I...would find it /quite/ unlikely that there would be a scum dayvig in a normal? But anyway.)

Normals are allowed 1 non-normal role and I can't think of anything else that would counter the potential 2 Commuters. There is a chance that aspect of balance was overlooked (doubt it since Normals are reviewed) or that I'm overestimating the Town Utility of having potentially 2 Commuters.

You know what would counter 2 commuters...

...one of them not being town.

...I

hate

setup spec...

[Syndesis]

Wanderer, do you believe a town Universal Backup can exist in this setup with you?

[Syndesis]

I was rather thinking scum backup commuter if anything.

Incidentally, the wiki says that normal scum universal backup only backs up scum PRs!

the more you know

[Syndesis]

Sorry for being a terrible IC lol. Well played, everyone. I'm on a phone or I'd write out something less laconic.

Do I need to give consent for the release of the neighborhood? If so, go ahead.

[Syndesis]

Oh! I forgot, thank you for modding Farside!

[Syndesis]

But, uh, yeah. I finally understand why godfathers are terrible.

[Syndesis]

The scum thread was a fun read! Not sure whether to be salty (for being gullible) or flattered lol. However, this is clearly proof that I am ordinarily

not paranoid enough

Wanderer, I'm glad you found our neighborhood conversation amusing, heh.

[Syndesis]

I'm kinda curious about that image though

Ah, yes. It was being locked in a room with a mafioso until daybreak and having a staring contest.