Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]
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Keyser Söze Jack of All Trades
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In post 25, Fraggernaut wrote:Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & beingcompletely wrong on my alignment.
After analysing Fraggernaut's ISO I conclude that he is town-aligned...
[FYI: I would have preferred a''hello Keyser, great to see you again.".
In post 8, RadiantCowbells wrote:I was disappointed by the lack of fudge brownies.
Scum-slip!All townies recieved fudge brownies!
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In post 29, Accountant wrote:Fragger, do you have links to Keyser tunneling on you and being wrong or are you scum who knows he's a good scumhunter andwant to meta-deflect in advance?
That's quite an accusation (#1).
In post 34, Accountant wrote:VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99
Serious vote; no RVS vote looks to me like a scumtrying to avoid associations by not voting.
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In post 38, Accountant wrote:In post 36, Vedith wrote:In post 34, Accountant wrote:VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99
Serious vote; no RVS vote looks to me like a scum trying to avoid associations by not voting.
RVS is so easy to do though, it actually tells you nothing but gets the game moving. Some people just don't care for RVS.
If it's so easy to do, why is he so reluctant to do it?
Do you think that someone who is "reluctant" to join in with RVS is scum-indicative?
[Clue: it's non-alignment indicative. I have seen both town and scum not post a RVS vote. To conclude that TheFuzzylogic99 is "scum trying to avoid associations by not voting" is reachy.]
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In post 35, Vedith wrote:In post 33, Frozen Angel wrote:He might be actually the godfather :/
I would be surprised.
I'm not even going to bother trying to figure out if he meant it or not. Null.-
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In post 47, Accountant wrote:42: I think being reluctant to vote is scummy. No townie has a good reason to not participate in RVS. To not vote is basically a crude form of fence-sitting.
Naughty - you are comparingRVSandvoting in general.
Yes, I would find someone who doesn't vote during D1 to be anti-town/scummy.
HOWEVER, choosing not to voteduring RVSis not anti-town/scummy. I think it is non-alignment indicative.-
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In post 73, Accountant wrote:Finally, I think there is a connection between you and Keyser. Whether Town and Town or scum pre-emptively discrediting a town member or something else remains to be seen. But now we know to watch out for further interactions between the two of you.
Finally - we have an observation and a conclusion.
In post 76, Vedith wrote:Before we continue, have you had a scum in a game not do RVS before?
Have you had town not do RVS before?
I emphasized the very same point a few pages ago - are we still on'refusal to RVS is scummy'?
In post 81, Fraggernaut wrote:He hasn't so far. He was quick to give me a town read after I said that.
That town-read was a joke - I would never give a town-read outthateasy.
In post 81, Fraggernaut wrote:Could possibly be because I threw him off his game already.Meaning he could be possible scum.
No. Just no. I feel like Accountant's reachy accusation syndrome has worn off on you. Only post it, if you mean it.
In post 89, Accountant wrote:So am I making bland, meaningless posts or am I going in guns blazing at the slightest provocation?
No Accountant, keep posting.-
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In post 99, BNL wrote:but refusing to link Accountant to his games, saying that he can search it up if he wants.
Yes, alot of time and effort was wasted by not posting the god damn links. I'm not going to award Fraggernaut any scum-points for this though.
In post 99, BNL wrote:Also Accountant is a he
I feel violated. No more suprises please.
In post 108, Errantparabola wrote:In post 91, Fraggernaut wrote:Also in reference to my last post. I'll stand by & wait as someone tries to accuse me (probably scum) of "coaching". * Grabs popcorn *
I am unsure which way this post leans but i'd be interested in knowing what other people think.
Possibly an over-awareness/concern of being scum-read.
See also:
In post 107, Fraggernaut wrote:Also people are reading me scummy. Cool deal.
This intigues me. I'm going to ponder over it for a bit. But my immediate thinking is: would scum-Fraggernaut be jumping up and down for being scum-read? No. I think scum-Fraggernaut would be better than that.
In post 110, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 24, Vedith wrote:I think everyone but BulletNLynchproof and Keyser Söze.
We never played together... :/
Must be his alt-
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In post 116, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I am not sure if I am annoyed or suspicious thatmade a meta reference without giving links.Key
I'm sure you meant Fraggernaut. Is this an example of'inattentiveness'?
In post 119, Fraggernaut wrote:Also do you have any other reads so far in this game non-sheeped?
Yes, TheFuzzylogic99's post did stink a certain shade of sheep-
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In post 124, BlockyMan wrote:Keyser Soze seems scummy as town.
Thank you for this meta-defence BlockyMan. A bitout of the blue, might I add though.
In post 25, Fraggernaut wrote:Quick disclaimer. Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being completely wrong on my alignment.
You've been warned.
@Fraggernaut. FYI, I did not appreciate this. I've finally concluded it was a paranoid/'bad-town' move by you. Let's move on. x-
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In post 132, Fraggernaut wrote:Blocky is another I've had a few games experience with. He hasn't claimed scum day one yet. So we're off to a good start
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In post 140, RadiantCowbells wrote:Seriously 6 pages and this game is completely worthless.
None of this please.-
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In post 138, RadiantCowbells wrote:Alright this is literally confirmed scum.
I think "confirmed" is thrown about to easy these days
@RadiantCowbells, PatientZer0 and Frozen Angel- no more song lyrics and YouTube videos please (Null-fluff).
In post 147, RadiantCowbells wrote:You heard me maggot. Enjoy your lynch, scum.
This insult/threat does not help your scum-case. If both of you are town and Fraggernaut flips green, who are we going to look at? Discuss the 'evidence' - don't hurl abuse.
In post 157, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why would I care what questions scum ask me?
Engage all your reads (both town and scum). No-one is a closed case until a flip/investigation. This is bad-town (you should know this RadiantCowbells). A bit early for confirmed-bias, don't you think?
In post 166, RadiantCowbells wrote:I honestly don't understand what's with this whole pocket thing.
Then how could you say it is "confirmed scum"?
In post 171, BlockyMan wrote:I townread fraggernaut andscumread RadiantCowbells for ultimate off topic posting
Why do you scumread this playstyle? It is the definition of NULL. RadiantCowbells is winning no town-points from me posting "off topic" content. Neither am I going to label him scum. With a shortened day phase I hope we don't see any more pages full of "off-topic" wall-posts.-
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In post 175, Errantparabola wrote:I'm not one to use meta, but do you think it would help in this situation
It seems like it would, cause accountant's posting doesn't ring any bells for me
Have you followed up with this? What's your meta-analysis: is "Accountant's antitown=scum pushing" consistent with her town-meta?
In post 182, Frozen Angel wrote:Well Rc's way of play makes scum to act so defensive and get out of their shell. As her attack of you Fraggernaut , I'm going to think your a town player becuase the way you answered to her arrogance. I don't get scum vibes from him nor you ...
We might wait and see how her arrogance can be helpful.
This sounds like you know/believe that RadiantCowbells is town-aligned.
Question: If RadiantCowbells is scum would his "way of play" make town to act defensive too?
In post 184, BNL wrote:In post 108, Errantparabola wrote:Are you telling me that you can't think of any time where town didn't put attention into the game? Because I can think of plenty.
Inattentiveness might be antitown but it is definitely not alignment indicative.
VOTE: BulletNLynchproof
By voting me you say you think I'm the scum, but I don't see a clear reasoning as to why you think so.
'Calling out something non-alignment indicative as scummy'.
In post 185, BNL wrote:AlsoFraggernaut still hasn't posted anything of content, his posts are actually worse then Vedith now, who is answering questions.
That's a harsh observation. Yes, Fraggernaut is overly-focused on only the players that are pressing him, but to say it is doesn't contain content is harsh.
In post 190, All Alone wrote:IMO it doesn't really seem like he's trying to figure the game out.
Part true - Fraggernaut's 'contributions' have been directed at the players attacking/defending him (looking at your own wagon is productive). I don't think this is OMGUS, this is short-sightedness. I hope to hear Fraggernaut's view on everyone.
In post 195, Fraggernaut wrote:Could it be as easy as a Bullet/All Alone/Accountant team?
I have never seen a 3-man scum team all jump on the same wagon this early.
Is this paranoid-town? Fraggernaut, surely you don't believe this?
In post 196, Accountant wrote:Slandaar does shit like this every game.
Exactly. Null. But his low-activity stinks.
In post 198, Fraggernaut wrote:Pretty great though that I got three of my scum leans on my wagon now.
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In post 202, Fraggernaut wrote:Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are. K thanks.
Very early to be soft-claiming There were only 4 votes on you. Did you think there was enough evidence on you to push you to L-1?
Anti-town: yes
Defensive: yes
Motivation: survival
In post 214, Accountant wrote:is a vanilla townie. Is that what you're claiming?
Let's imagine you didn't ask this question. Do you think Fraggernaut answering this helps or harms town?
In post 217, Fraggernaut wrote:I also want to hear more from Slandaar, Fuzzy, & Errant.
Also I need to look at Vedith more.
Phew, finally. I was worried you thought that there were only 5 players playing this game.
In post 223, Fraggernaut wrote:Did I not say that my play I'm always sarcastic. Sorry. Thought a player would have thicker skin when it comes to the game.
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In post 226, PatientZer0 wrote:lol this is such a TvT argument it is not even funny.
I'm feeling that "TvT" vibe too. It's too early for a SvS hard-bus, and I'm not liking the behaviour/playstyle on either side.
UNVOTE: PatientZer0
In post 231, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey Fragger, you literally just said you wanted people to engage with you. I'm engaging with you.
What is your read on Accountant and why?
Good, some actual 'engagement'. This makes me warm to the idea of RadiantCowbells being town.
In post 238, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fraggernaut instead claimed to scumread her, most likely becausehe expected that I'd be interested in pushing a wagon there.
This is scum.
Hmm. Feels a bit reachy.
Fraggernaut has been scum-reading nearly everyone interacting with him: from the people on his wagon, and the players town-reading him (suspecting being "pocketed"). This shouts paranoid-townie to me. For me he only wins scum-points for not engaging with players 'outside his focus'.
In post 242, PatientZer0 wrote:I think it will honestly be best if we bring him to claim
What? Fraggernaut should only claim if 7 people think he is scum.-
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In post 256, Frozen Angel wrote:RC is so arrogant , wild and crazy butits helpfulbecause we can see how people can react under his pressure .
Again, Frozen Angel is assuming that this is town-RadiantCowbells helping us to weed out scum.
Why are you presuming this is town-RadiantCowbells helping us to "see how people can react under his pressure"?
I understand the value of pressure/pressing - but are you town-reading RadiantCowbells?
In post 256, Frozen Angel wrote:There is some kind of soft claims in your posts... It's not a town PR way to gain trust. SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE.
Agreed. Town-Fraggernaut should be better than that. Defending yourself against pressure with an early soft role-claim is ill-advised
Caught up with last night's events.
Now going to look at each poster individually.-
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In post 278, Frozen Angel wrote:I already answered about my view about him. and I do think his craziness in day 1 is helpful and it makes sense to me because it will take out scums from their shells.
and I'm not buddying , I'm just not suspicious about him at this point because I think its just his playstyle to rush attacks in early day 1 ...
Yes, yes, you keep saying RadiantCowbells' "craziness in day 1 is helpful", that it "takes out scums from their shells" and "Her* way of attack may cause people to defend themselves" - but you can only say it is out-right "helpful" if you know/believe RadiantCowbells is town.
I.e could not scum-RadiantCowbells also rush an attack on townies?
What if RadiantCowbells fails to 'take scum from their shells' - will you start scum-reading him?
[*Is RadiantCowbell a he or she?]
RadiantCowbells''you-are-confirmed-scum-playstyle'is so far null to me - but if Fraggernaut did flip scum, based on results, then yes, RadiantCowbells truly is more likely to be "helpful"/town (with serious town-cred in the bank).
@RadiantCowbells - dounderstand what I am saying?you-
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In post 301, Frozen Angel wrote:In other words I'm null on him so far as you all must be , in my opinion ...
I now understand your position.-
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In post 325, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Frag is prob town based on the rule of first....which is that 95 percent of the time the first person to get a wagon is likely town. I know this sound pretty dumb but from experience I have not seem anything that disprove this. This is because town are grasping to find scum and scum are usually jumping on theses wagons bc they are semi safe.If you can show how I am wrong than let me know.
Are you really town-reading Fraggernaut for these reasons?
In post 325, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:this doesn't seem like RCb scum game..
Show me how you came to this conclusion.
I find people giving out easy town-reads left, right and centre is scum-indicative.
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BulletNLynchproof's accusation:
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All Alone's reply:
Spoiler:
Thoughts:
- defensive overeaction from All Alone.
- I didn't like "Every single thing you've mentioned is something I've done as town and scum" - do you therefore agree that you've consciencely 'shifted your vote to the largest wagon possible'?
- I like his 2nd paragraph though: I can see how he could scum-read Fraggernaut's'everyone is scum!'paranoid-mentality.
- BulletNLynchproof's attack on All Alone's RVS vote is naughty, but I like his observation on thetimingof All Alone's Fraggernaut vote.
@BulletNLynchproof - what's your take on the other votes on Fraggernaut's L-2 wagon?
In post 126, Slandaar wrote:Will be back later to read the thread.
In post 327, Slandaar wrote:Sorry, I will be here tomorrow.
Slandaar, wtf man? Seriously.
In post 300, Errantparabola wrote:And what are the benefits of quick lynching?
Errantparabola, who do you want to quick-lynch?
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@Errantparabola - I'm unsure if you answered this:
In post 263, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 175, Errantparabola wrote:I'm not one to use meta, but do you think it would help in this situation
It seems like it would, cause accountant's posting doesn't ring any bells for me
Have you followed up with this? What's your meta-analysis: is "Accountant's antitown=scum pushing" consistent with her town-meta?
In post 336, Accountant wrote:Fragger still needs to die.
@Accountant - how do you read Fraggernaut's'get-the-f***-off-me'warning:
In post 312, Fraggernaut wrote:I've breadcrumbed quite a bit already. Unfortunate you still haven't picked it up.-
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In post 346, Slandaar wrote:In post 335, Keyser Söze wrote:Slandaar, wtf man? Seriously.
I had no time on the weekend. It happens.
Sorry - I'm getting increasingly impatient on mafiascum these days x
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Ok, here is everyone/everything that Fraggernaut has flagged. Both negative (scummy) and positive (town).
Negative (scum)
"Accountant your claims are far reaches. If you really wanted to dive into meta, you could read my past games." [Accountant]
"Trying to bury town early based on Meta." [Accountant]
"Meaning he could be possible scum" [Keyser Söze]
"your questioning has been weird & looks pretty fluffy when it comes to "Scum Hunting"" [Accountant]
"It seems like you're trying to overcompensate on me not providing links & are reaching for any way to get a in for a mislynch later." [Accountant]
"the way you answered about inattentativness being a scummy trait pinged out for me" [BulletNLynchproof]
"Could obvious scum be this obvious?" [TheFuzzylogic99]
"Just getting snug in Parient's pocket" [PatientZer0]
"All Alone sheeped a horrible read from Bullet" [All Alone]
"It's a split between Bullet/All Alone" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone]
"It's not a play that town would make" [All Alone]
"Could it be as easy as a Bullet/All Alone/Accountant team?" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant]
"I believe to be a scum slip" [All Alone]
"Pretty great though that I got three of my scum leans on my wagon now" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant]
"this statement is once again false." [All Alone]
"Accountant pulling the accusations out of thin air" [Accountant]
"Top 4 scum. 1. Bullet 2. All Alone 3. Accountant 4. Frozen" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant, Frozen Angel]
"So always look at Frozen as well." [Frozen Angel]
"It's kinda amusing how irritated you are right now with not being able to push your agenda & scum further on me." [Accountant]
"I still think AT LEAST one of the three are scum." [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant]
"she doesn't want to talk to me (town) which makes her scum" [Accountant]
"Anything else you want to try to mis-rep?" [RadiantCowbells]
"Therfore if Scum Accountant doesn't want to talk to me , when I'm town, that goes against my town win-con." [Accountant]
"Know Radiant & Accountant single handily already threw this game OR are just scum with either Bullet or All Alone" [RadiantCowbells, Accountant, BulletNLynchproof, All Alone]
"Radiant/Accountant with a outside of Bullet or All Alone." [RadiantCowbells, Accountant, BulletNLynchproof, All Alone]
"Keep Mis-repping Radiant." [RadiantCowbells]
"That's two times now you've mis-repped me. A heavy scum trait." [RadiantCowbells]
"Not even true in the slightest. Keep lying Radiant." [RadiantCowbells]
"Waiting it out as scum to watch a mislynch?" [TheFuzzylogic99]
Positive (town)
"slight early town lean on Accountant" [Accountant]
"I have a slight town lean on you" [Accountant]
"I'm actually pretty flabbergasted that someone with as many games played could be this bad at town" [RadiantCowbells]
"My read on Keyser thus far has been based on his actions, this game." [Keyser Söze]
Fraggernaut's town/null/scum read list(post 281)
Ok, straight away you can see 2 main problems which I also saw when I previously played with town-Fraggernaut (which I scum-read him for):
(1) He is casting suspicion and throwing accusations on his scum, null and town-reads. Any paranoia/suspicion he can think of he will post it (regardless of his read on that person).
Notice that at the beginning he was highlighting all the objectively scummy things Accountant was posting, but he still had a "slight early town lean" on him.
He called me "possible scum" - but did he even have a scum-read on me? Moreover, he was fixated with bad-town RadiantCowbells, flagging all his scummy behaviour - however, in the end RadiantCowbells is labelled as "equal" scummy to Accountant, BulletNLynchproof and All Alone. Fraggernaut even adds TheFuzzylogic99 to his long-list of flaggable scum-offences for "Waiting it out as scum to watch a mislynch".
[Conclusion: basically, this extreme fight-fire-with-fire style means Fraggernaut does not make any friends. Fraggernaut has not backed down. He doesn't care about his own survival because he is convinced he is right. I think a scum-aligned player would be more concerned about surviving D1. You can say Fraggernaut is being very defensive, but in the end it's actually harming him].
(2) He has many null (incomplete) reads. By being obsessed with his own wagon, he has neglected engaging with the other 8 players in the game. Again, this makes him win no favours with the 'other crowd'.
Meta-check
I'm going to need to look at an example of scum-Fraggernaut to see if these 'extreme' traits are evident. I'm currently leaning town on Fraggernaut (and suspecting maybe 1 opportunistic scum on his L-2 wagon), but this may change.-
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In post 25, Fraggernaut wrote:Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & beingcompletely wrong on my alignment.
My town-lean on Fraggernaut makes the above statement even more amusing now-
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Do you readFraggernaut vs RadiantCowbellsandFraggernaut vs All Aloneas scum vs scum.
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In post 363, Fraggernaut wrote:@Keyser What are your thoughts on the Bullet counter-wagon?
I'm going back to Page 1 to have a re-look at events... I should reach the BulletNLynchproof L-3 wagon by tomorrow.-
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Accountant is the first to take us out of RVS (post 29) and to make the first serious vote (post 34) - Accountant wins half a town-point for having the motivation to go head-first and engage.
All Alone deserves three-quarters of a scum-point for presuming seriousness over a RVS vote (post 44).
Slandaar, PatientZer0, Errantparabola and BlockyMan all missed RVS/early game. RL issues or demonstrating the desire to not show the initiative to be the first to engage?
Fraggernaut calls himself "town" (post 51) - is this scum trying to remind himself and others that he's "town"? It's page 3, too icky to be true. Bad-town play to do this.
BulletNLynchproof makes a good observation but goes full-Gestapo on Vedith with an assault of his contributions, there is no hesitation or doubt (post 56) - BulletNLynchproof wins half a scum point here. Doesn't get a full point as this could be enthusiastic over-reading. Vedith's reaction is to laugh off the accusation (post 60) - for a strong accusation, I was expectating a strong reaction (quarter of a town-point for Vedith).
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Errantparabola fence-sits on Fraggernaut awaiting thoughts from other people (post 108). Errantparabola votes BulletNLynchproof but I'm unsure if he is doubting BulletNLynchproof's logic or alignment. Intriguing.
TheFuzzylogic99 re-enters the scene, sheeping thoughts about Accountant and fence-sitting on Fraggernaut (post 116). Half a scum-point.
BlockyMan joins us, with a meta-defence for my behalf (post 124). I was not being scum-read, neither was I under any pressure. Very peculiar - I wouldn't call it a comfortable introduction.
At this stage the focus has been on Accountant and Fraggernaut (who are naturally, the two most active players). No strong wagon has formed on either.
RadiantCowbells rides in on a wrecking-ball calling Fraggernaut "confirmed scum" for a post he didn't even understand (post 138). RadiantCowbells has nothing to stand on to call Fraggernaut "scum" out-right. Is this a reaction test, or a townie who has a disregard of the consequences of his actions? - we shall see. Well, this is where the Fraggernaut wagon begins, there were 8 other mini-wagons at this time. Everyone is so far buying RadiantCowbells vote as arrogance, and not a wagon they want to jump on.
BulletNLynchproof joins the Fraggernaut wagon, for weak reasons (post 185). I think All Alone's reason to join the wagon stinks too (post 190). There hasn't been much scummy behaviour to flag so exaggerating non-alignment indicative behaviour is both lazy, reachy and ultimately scummy. BulletNLynchproof and All Alone both receive a scum-point... then Fraggernaut talks himself into a vote from Accountant and wow, Fraggernaut is L-3 just like that.-
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Accountant argues BulletNLynchproof's argument for him against Fraggernaut (post 200). I don't know which way to go with this. It is nonetheless amusing.
Fraggernaut commits a mortal sin by softing a PR early (post 202). Frozen Angel isn't having any of it, and wants even more votes on Fraggernaut (post 206)
Accountant finally realizes the pressure on Fraggernaut is going nowhere, the harder he pushes, the harder Fraggernaut will push back - a self-inflicting wagon (post 220). It sounds like Accountant is hating on Fraggernaut's playstyle more than anything (post 222).
Fraggernaut is L-2 - does anyone have the balls to call Fraggernaut's bluff and make him roleclaim at L-1?
PatientZer0 comes in with what I was thinking,town versus town(post 226). PatientZer0 speaking with great clarity about the Fraggernaut wagon (post 242). Frozen Angel states her vote is staying put (post 256).
Where is Slandaar, Errantparabola, BlockyMan, TheFuzzylogic99 and Vedith with their thoughts? Or are they safely watching from the sidelines - Fraggernaut at L-2 is serious shit.
Nope, we're unlikely to ever see Fraggernaut at L-1 now because BulletNLynchproof unvotes and votes on fellow wagonee All Alone (post 259). Scum-BulletNLynchproof could have got blood from the Fraggernaut wagon but decides to jump off. Town-point for BulletNLynchproof. This could prove to be the crucial unvote to kill Fraggernaut's wagon.
BlockyMan actually analyses in-game behaviour for the first time with new reads, but his scum-reads are based on his town-read of Fraggernaut (post 273, post 275, post 277).
Errantparabola checks in to say hi, after all the shit has settled (post 287). I can't remember if TheFozzylogic99 or Slandarr were actually playing still at this stage.
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Errantparabola is happy to keep the focus on Fraggernaut and asks about the pro's and con's about quick-lynching - suspicious timing (post 300, post 293). Tempted to give you a scum-point here. You joined in 2015, so you're forgiven.
Frozen Angel finally concedes that RadiantCowbells playstyle should be read as "null": i.e we do not know if it is being helpful or not yet (post 301).
PatientZer0 chips in with his wisdom yet again to defuse the charged atmosphere (post 314). Town-point.
Vedith shows us that's he alive (post 315). BlockyMan introduces us to his legendary "scum-o-meter" (post 324) I will keep an eye on how he presses his scum-reads.
TheFuzzylogic99 makes his first real contribution to the game: two easy town-reads on Fraggernaut and RadiantCowbells and a fence-sit on Accountant (post 325). Half a scum-point.
Slandaar keeps making promises to catch-up (post 327) FYI: I hope you have a good scum-hunting game, otherwise you won't last long.
Accountant still calling for Fraggernaut's blood (post 336). The wagon is still there.
All Alone comes back with an extensive scum-case on Fraggernaut (post 338) There are some points that caught even my attention.
Frozen Angel asking questions that don't need to be asked. Naughty. (post 344).
PatientZer0 comes out with his first scum-read (or at least the first I've acknowledged): BulletNLynchproof (post 360)
I believe BulletNLynchproof has improved since his start. Vedith's cheeky naked vote put's BulletNLynchproof to L-3 (post 370).
Naughty BlockyMan, these are questions you do not ask (post 374).
Where are All Alone-RadiantCowbells-Accountant with their Fraggernaut is "110%"/"confirmed scum" campaign? Talk of the devil, Accountant wants Fraggernaut "turbo" lynched still (post 382) RadiantCowbells is happy for Accountant to take the lead now.
BulletNLynchproof confuses me, his scum-reads are all attacking eachother, does he suspect scum-bussing? Can Fraggernaut and All Alone both be scum? (post 387)
BulletNLynchproof and Fraggernaut are now neck and neck with 4 votes each.
Interesting - All Alone describes BulletNLynchproof's wagon as "lazy and awful" (post 399) BulletNLynchproof is currently voting All Alone.-
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In post 403, RadiantCowbells wrote:Bulletproof's readlist was weird as fuck
Yes, he needs to look at how his main scum-reads have interacted with eachother.
In post 461, Errantparabola wrote:I see absolutely mo reason for you to randomly excuse something that you think is scummy based on my joining in 2015.
Did you really need to ask about what are the cons of a quicklynch? In my first newbie game this was addressed within the first few pages if I recall correctly.
In post 462, RadiantCowbells wrote:Or maybe you're just scum trying to indirectly defend your buddy.
If Fraggernaut flips scum I would no doubt be a scum-buddy suspect, for the way I hard meta-defended him. Therefore, I cannot disagree with this observation if I was a neutral looking in.However, I town-lean read Fraggernaut and posted my reasons. I do not want town lynched, thus, I defended him.
In post 462, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're a fucking nimrod.
Whether or not I am a "fucking nimrod" is insignificant for this game. You should only be concerned of my alignment. All this name-calling, song lyrics, and "confirmed scum" playstyle means nothing unless you get results.
In post 460, Frozen Angel wrote:why?!
In post 344, Frozen Angel wrote:Your not a town member then?
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In post 467, Frozen Angel wrote:NO sure not! Why aren't you quoting my whole sentence?!! I was trying to make a point there for him!
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Your point was valid, but I thought the question didn't need to be asked.
In post 468, RadiantCowbells wrote:You'll see some fucking results, thanks.
I'm not going to bother clicking those links. Cute though.
You could have posted a 100 games where you found scum as town. But how does that relate to if you can find scum in this game? That logic does not work on me.
I want to see results inthisgame.
What are you next going to share with me, your best scum-hunter award from 2010 or your stamp collection?
In post 469, Frozen Angel wrote:Can you please show us what do you think about each person individually?
Certainly. I'm at the end of my analysis now. I wanted to re-read the whole thread, as I felt I had my eyes focused too much on Fraggernaut's wagon. I hate naked/empty read lists, but am in a position to share my reads now.
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In post 472, Errantparabola wrote:Keyser youre not answering my point.
I didnt ask why the quicklynch question was scummy, i wanted to know why you thought that me joining in 2015 excused me from what you thought was suspicious.
Yes, here was my thinking: a newbie would be more inclined to not understand the harm a quick-lynch can incur (lack of game experience).
A more seasoned mafia veteran with many games under their belt would fully appreciate the consequences of a quick-lynch.
Quick-lynches are a big NO NO in my book. Unless, you have a confirmed cop, confirmed scum, and the game isn't bastard
I can write a whole 1,000 page essay on it, but it would not help me find scum today.
In post 473, RadiantCowbells wrote:I already found scum you twat.
You scum-read Fraggernaut. I can see that. But he is not "confirmed scum". You do not understand the meaning of "confirmed".
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I like Slandaar's'why-can't-this-be-from-a-townie'defence of Fraggernaut (post 456, post 479)
Slandaar is slowly creeping into my town-pile.
In post 483, Vedith wrote:Well let me chime in...
Town;
Vedith
RC
Accountant
Errant
All Alone
Keyser
Frozen Angel (ish)
That's half way there!
Scum
???
I'll wait until day 2 to decide.
Hmm. A naked read list - I smell a shade of opportunism here. Show me why your town-reads are town.
In post 489, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't care what Soze likes, thanks.
You what mate?
In post 496, RadiantCowbells wrote:Holy fuck has anyone else noticed that in spite of BP claiming a scumread on Fragger ALL HE HAS DONE this game is make reachy pushes on every single person that's been pushing the wagon, aka myself, Accountant, and AA?
Yes some truth in this accusation. As I stated earlier he needs to look at how his main scum-reads are interacting with eachother - does he think it is scum vs scum. It looks and feels like a contradiction. I cannot see Fraggernaut-RadiantCowbells or Fraggernaut-All Alone as scum-scum due to the nature of that L-2 wagon.
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It appears that TheFuzzylogic99 is happy to think he can lurk through to D2.
So far he has offered two easy-town-reads (Fraggernaut & RadiantCowbells) and a fence-sit (Accountant).
In post 381, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I am not very good on day 1 thus not very helpful.....
Well do you presume/expect to be alive for D2 then? Contribute please. There is nothing more disturbing than someone who hides in the shadows.
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In post 516, Accountant wrote:People we cannot lynch today uness they outright claim scum:
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Let's break down All Alone's 10 contributions so far:
Ignoring game confirm and RVS vote.
In post 44, All Alone wrote:In post 19, Accountant wrote:VOTE: All Alone
Why are you naked voting in RVS? And on a bandwagon no less.
What else am I gonna do? Write a case on a player who hadn't even posted?
Bandwagons are the best way to RVS because they're the fastest way out of RVS.
Presumes seriousness over a RVS vote. All Alone joined us May 21, 2015, surely he shouldn't be as prickly as this. I'll flag this as a suspicious reaction.
In post 190, All Alone wrote:VOTE: Fraggernaut
IMO it doesn't really seem like he's trying to figure the game out.
I'm honestly not feeling this vote or reason. Are you actually going to lynch someone D1 for that non-supported reason?
In post 199, All Alone wrote:I'm not on my RVS vote. My vote is serious, and it just got even more serious. Your case on me doesn't read like a genuine scumhunt at all.
Yes, All Alone has been very "serious" from the very start.
BulletNLynchproof votes All Alone and he reacts with many facepalms (post 271). He does not at one moment wonder, 'hey is this scum-Fraggernaut, or town-Fraggernaut? It is scum-Fraggernaut, and he doesn't want to hear otherwise. He defends his 'shift of vote to Fraggernaut' saying he does this as scum or town.
All Alone is still on the scum-Fraggernaut case.
In post 338, All Alone wrote:Fraggernaut is 110% scum, turbolynch him good day
All Alone still wants Fraggernaut dead: (post 341, post 487)
This is the first time All Alone has focused on somone other than Fraggernaut:
In post 399, All Alone wrote:This Bullet wagon is lazy and awful. I really don't get any sense of disingenuity out of his reads.
BlockyMan reads like scum. He's vote parking on Cowbells hard and it really doesn't seem to bother him at all that nobody else is following him. He's not doing anything to push a wagon on Cowbells. I doubt a townie would be okay with nobody voting their top scum read like he is. But as scum trying to avoid attention, Blocky's play makes a lot more sense.
Fraggernaut is still today's lynch though. On top of everything else I've mentioned, the "DID I MENTION I HAVE A SOFTCLAIM IN THE PAST FIVE MINUTES" stuff he's pulling is just flagrantly phony. Town PRs have two motives that they have to choose between: making their role known to the town, and keeping their role secret from scum. Fragger's loud softclaiming doesn't benefit either one of those motives. If he wanted his role secret from scum, he wouldn't be advertising it this loudly. And if he wanted his role known to the town, he wouldn't be so vague about what his role is. It reads like he wants to scare town into not voting him because he might be a PR, but doesn't want to actually claim a PR because he doesn't know which claims are safe.
All Alone shits on the BulletNLynchproof wagon. He wants more support on the Fraggernaut wagon.... and a scum read on BlockyMan.
Is All Alone not concerned with the other 8 players in the game?
The fact he is not interested about the other 8 players and merely fixated with his tunnel on Fraggernaut is bad-town/scummy.
@All Alone, take a step back and look through the thread. I'm not saying you're 100% about Fraggernaut, but there's nothing else in your ISO that tells me that you're conscious of finding out who is town/scum.
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In post 529, Vedith wrote:In post 523, Fraggernaut wrote:Would be excellent if a good portion of players who agreed to join this game would actually take part in the game. Having multiple lurkers only harms town.
This is a pro town comment, just saying.
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In post 539, Vedith wrote:In post 538, Keyser Söze wrote:Pro town yes, but it can be said by both town or scum. Thus null, just saying.
I don't think you understand how to give or take town points to/from people
Anything done CAN be done by either align.
This is a pro town comment. He gets town points. Not enough to be in my town part though.
Yes,it is a Pro Town comment, but why couldn't scum have made that observation? That is an easy town-point to give out.
Anyway, Fraggernaut isn't even in your 'town pile'.
In post 541, Fraggernaut wrote:Do you honestly believe I would say this as scum? You thought the same thing either the first or second game we played together & it lead to you getting me mislynched as town. I'm going to take this with a grain of salt.
I wasn't calling you scum you (your wagon is looking quite tempting now do you think before you hit Submit? Seriously.) I'm saying that just because it is a pro-town thing to say, it doesn't mean that it's coming from town. It is null.-
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In post 535, Vedith wrote:In post 533, Keyser Söze wrote:@Vedith - how long have you been playing mafia?
Just over a week. Maybe 2 weeks.
Can you answer the question. This page is an utter horror show.
In post 545, Fraggernaut wrote:@Keyser I have a question for you. May be considered a Meta question or one to stroke my own ego but I'm going to ask it. Do you honestly believe that myself, with only four or five completed games (all as town) that I have the capability to 100% replicate or emulate my town game as scum?
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Vedith is either newb-town, or newb-scum. I can't believe what he just did
[@Fraggernaut, you basically just told me to lynch you. Work to your win-con FFS. There is no honour in getting yourself lynched just to prove thatyou're rightandthey are wrong. Calling yourself town every other post is not a defence. It is anti-town. You need to look at your town-game.]-
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In post 555, Vedith wrote:In post 548, Keyser Söze wrote:Can you answer the question. This page is an utter horror show.
I did answer.
So your mafia experience is 2 weeks...?
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3 scum from these Vedith, eh?
PatientZer0
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In post 562, Fraggernaut wrote:@Keyser do you have a answer to my #537?
You answer it, and I'll add comments after.
But yes, in the town-Fraggernaut narrative, if there was scum on your wagon, if they unvoted early they would win marginal town-cred if you were to flip town later. In the classic sense, scum would jump off a wagon later if they feel it is unlikely to go anythere. On the flip-side, scum can win cheeky town points for jumping off it when the wgaon is thriving (knowing it is a wagon on town).-
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In post 519, Vedith wrote:if I am lynched/killed they are still there for you to work on.
How are we expected to work on these? It is a naked list of names:
In post 563, Vedith wrote:In post 558, Keyser Söze wrote:3 scum from these Vedith, eh?
PatientZer0
Fraggernaut
Frozen Angel
TheFuzzylogic99
BlockyMan
Slandaar
BulletNLynchproof
In post 567, Accountant wrote:Keyser, why is your vote still on fuzzy?
1) I do not town-read TheFuzzylogic99
2) It was a part-lurker vote to spring him into action (result: epic fail)
3) I'm working through my reads and TheFuzzylogic99 is still in my scum-pile
In post 557, Keyser Söze wrote:So your mafia experience is 2 weeks...?
Did you play mafia before your join date (mafiascum)?
@Vedith. ^^^
In post 527, Vedith wrote:Give me a reason for each of my town reads to not be town.
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In post 567, Accountant wrote:Keyser, why is your vote still on fuzzy?
Wait a minute, whymy vote be on TheFuzzylogic99?shouldn't-
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In post 569, Vedith wrote:@Keyser -
Ok then, the 3 scum are in here ladies and gentleman. We have a50% chanceof hitting scum. Who should we lynch?
In post 563, Vedith wrote:
PatientZer0
Fraggernaut
TheFuzzylogic99
BlockyMan
Slandaar
BulletNLynchproof
Game solved.
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In post 575, BNL wrote:
514: Vedith scum lean
515: Fuzzy null-scum lean
Not that I disagree with you, but this is why it is perceived that you are contradicting yourself. (Key is still town though)
Well things got a bit different when as soon as I posted that Vedith was a scum-lean read of mine he decided to roleclaim, thus, I tend not to vote for PR-claimers - that shit kinda sorts itself out at night.
Ok, I'm not going to beat around the bush anymore ( )
Why da fuk would you soft-claim (wait a minute, not soft, it's a practically hard claim) a town-PR without being anywhere near 'intent to hammer'.
I don't understand your games.
Newb-town, newb-scum, bad-town, bad-scum? I don't care. Do you think we have 5 doctors?
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The way Errantparabola staged his early BulletNLynchproof vote unnerved me slighty (post 108), however, his following explanation and observations seem logical steps to me:
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Errantparabola challenges all the easy town-reads flying my way (post 293). I like this. I think scum-Errantparabola would be more concerned with other people's scum-reads than town-reads.
I didn't like the timing of Errantparabola's post about quick-lynching at the time of Fraggernaut's quick-wagon (post 300), but I'm not going to give out a scum-point here.
Errantparabola showing good town-hesitation (post 378).
Errantparabola earns enough town-points to not be in my scum-pile, but he is no way in my 'comfortable zone'. More contributions please.
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In post 375, BlockyMan wrote:scum-o-meter
Keyser: 1/10
Frag 3/10
Vedith 4/10
All Alone 5/10
Bullet 6/10
Frozen 7/10
Radiant 9/10
Accountant ?/10
Slandaar ?/10
PatientZer0 ?/10
Errantparabola ?/10
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In post 588, PatientZer0 wrote:Dear god i hope vedith is mafia.
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