Had this typed up before the thread was locked. Anywho.
I'll be commenting as I read through.
Don't like how post
476 came right after post
475, when frozen agreed with Jake that mhs' posts feel like he's trying to make himself useful. This feels like Jake got some agreement and decided it'd be okay to vote for mhs.
I'm pretty much in agreement with most of what mhs said, and he's a strong town read from me. His points may be about things that everyone discussed etc, but that shows me he's reading everything and his comments on them make sense.
In post 485, Jake from State Farm wrote:Btw this makes me think you think I'm town. If I were scum, or you thought I was scum, My play couldn't be annoying you. It would be pinging your scum dar and you would be calling me scum.
So mh thinks/knows I'm town. That was productive.
There are instances when you think of someone's play as annoying b/c they're being obstinate and unreadable. Actually, it would be more beneficial to scum to outright accuse that kind of play as being scummy instead of trying to read it. Don't like this 1-dimensional view of how town would have thought.
(and then mhs says the same thing^, better even)
Also, jake's stance on having not cared about pre-game, then voting for RC on start of D1 with a policy lynch reason, that later changes to some posts he found scummy (posts he didn't bother quoting and posts that came from pre-game) is all over the place. Feels like he's making up things as he goes. And his push on mhs doesn't resonate with me.
In post 486, shaddowez wrote: In post 479, mhsmith0 wrote:I also don't think his push/vote on Nos is particularly troublesome, though the low content is certainly a point that's been brought up before (see 343, possibly others ). I'm actually a bit curious why the Nos ISO dive leads to a town read of Jake, though. shaddowez, could you clarify that point?
Most of Nos' posts that have any sort of content in them are attempting to discredit any sort of scum read on Jake (mainly yours, but a couple others as well). Considering I'm reading Nos as scummy because of her lack of content and lack of scum hunting, along with the one or two other points I mentioned in
464, this behavior reads as either buddying or White Knighting. At this point in time I don't see Jake and Nos as scum buddies, so that makes me read Jake as townier.
I don't agree with reading someone based on another player, but assuming you do, why what about the interaction between Nos and Jake makes you not consider they're scum buddies?
Post
499 from APF is giving me a town lean. It feels honest and direct. I can follow his read on RC. Yes, his posts first 2 pages made me think wth is he thinking and why is he still pushing a mhs case, but I'm starting to feel better about him.
In post 501, Jake from State Farm wrote: In post 500, mhsmith0 wrote:
Possibly. I don't really agree, but at the least I eventually got some answers.
Had you asked me direct questions about my vote to begin with instead of voting me to "motivate me to do better" you would have saved time. You would have also stayed off my radar and wouldn't have revealed yourself as scum.
Thanks I appreciate scum making it easy for me
Kinda sounds like, 'serves you right for even accusing me'. Vindictive. Anti-town. Not necessarily scummy.
post
509 from RC. Isn't this your second or third time now? Play doesn't make him credible. Null.
Mhs's
518 *nods*
Jakes'
519 and
520 If Jake had read some posts from pre-game that made him feel RC is suspicious, you'd think he'd have posted them instead of the policy reason he copy and pasted. Call it different play style, but I do not see interest in looking for scum.
Jakes
521 -
I realize he's probably at L-1. In that case, I'm intending to hammer.
The, "I've provided two people now" isn't being open. It's done by both town and scum.
The, "I've done more than other players as well" when all you've done is 1) try to defend yourself 2) vote RC as a policy lynch although you state it's serious 3)vote mhs as a very weak-case in (I think) self-defense.
The, 'why are you pressuring me? Why don't you pressure your other scum reads instead" is coming off as getting sick of the pressure, leave me alone. Can go both ways though.
MHS expecting content from you isn't unrealistic though. Everyone was expecting some form of content after 15 pages. We may have expected you not to post content in pre-game, but we didn't expect you not to post ABOUT pre-game in D1.
His unvote looked like it came from hesitancy regarding your alignment. I find hesitancy towards aligment more town indicative than unshakeable confidence.
@Shaddowez, yes, I had other suspicions. I wanted clumsy to reply to me first with my vote on him b/c I really didn't like that post. And the wagon on Nos, and the questioning on Jake was putting good pressure on both of them. Depending on his reply, I was going to keep/change my vote.
Maverick's
543 Agree.
@Clumsy, first time I read it I was talking to frozen and had my attention there for the most part. Second re-read it felt like you were giving yourself time to look for reason to jump on an existent wagon.
The lipstick thing helped APF get my gender right. And I couldn't help but think of it everytime I read Nosferatu.
Decent vibes on Maverick or myself? Also, did you end up ISOing pregame APF and myself? If so, was there, "something there"?
Maverick's
566 pretty much the same points I commented on.
Jake's
574 - what. So you think mhs is scum and wanna bring out his scum buddies? With frozen as well? In that case 1) you'd have ruined your plan 2) I totally don't think you were doing that.
578 - the Nos defending isn't helping Nos imo.
The argument of Maverick and Jake about lying though seems to be semantics. Jake is saying that he didn't lie because he meant mhs INDIRECTLY got pressured to switch his vote, wheras he thinks Maverick meant directly pressured.
Nos's
607 pings me so so bad. Froot and jake as town? Froot is one of the least posters, not scummy, no, but he hasn't exactly shared much. And jake posts are mainly his self-defense and his weak case on mhs. Although I do agree that Frozen is hard to understand sometimes.
Post
615 Bah Everyone who disagrees with you is scummy. I'm starting to think the only person on your list who isn't scummy is Nos, because he votes mhs after mhs voted for you. And honestly, if either of you flip scum, I'm gonna vote for the other.
Frozen's
641 There is a point there.
650, @Nos, I think it's fair, esp when the interaction with mhs was scummy to him. He also mentioned his reasons why, which I relate to.
655, RC looks like he's trying to reach out to Nos. I like. Null leaning town.
And wow, so many people replaced out.
So, assuming nobody wants to change their vote, this is my intent to hammer Jake.