Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

[farside22]

I've thought about the strategy to this game today and it is optimal play for town is to just hand the chain to whoever they are confident is town and is least likely to get a chain from someone else.

The person who holds the most power is the 2nd last person to hold the chain since they choose who dies,

if we get a pool of 3 people, 2 scum and 1 town 33% of the time scum lives, same odds occur if we get a pool of 2 town 1 scum

since 66% of the time we have a 50% shot of hitting scum. So getting a whole bunch of scum at the end of our pool hardly helps us win. And letting town control who dies is incredibly valuable.

We also want a somewhat random town player being 2nd last so we shouldn't just select a "2nd last town" to make the kill, we want a fluid game state that allows for people to have free will especially in the early game since information is more valuable then actually hitting scum day 1 and 2. You can't solve a lot of players without letting them make hard hitting choices and by just shoving choices down their throat we can't ever get a solid read.

I figured this was about looking for town to start the chain. I like the idea of having 2 players we find scummy with one at the end that we think is town to chose.


I think the only player that can't vote is the chain leader as their vote is what starts the chain.
hhhhhmmmmm never mind I don't want there to be confusion. We could do fos instead of a vote on players we find scummy.

Fos: Dunn

[farside22]

Oooo even better as the game goes on we have 2 people we can fos as scummy. I will treat it like the mafia dating game show but instead the player at the end picks who lives are dies.

[farside22]

^Fake FoS

nope. You sir have my first ping of the game.

[farside22]

Shouldn't we be controlling who that second-to-last person is?
Because if scum is third-to-last, controlling it means they don't get a chance to save a buddy, when that is a position where scum is highly likely to select a buddy.

You mean scum shows there hand so we can lynch them day 2! Sweet!

[farside22]

Shouldn't we be controlling who that second-to-last person is?
Because if scum is third-to-last, controlling it means they don't get a chance to save a buddy, when that is a position where scum is highly likely to select a buddy.

What if we select a small pool of players we think are town and someone within that pool must be chosen to be 3rd last and someone else within that pool must be 2nd last. That way our chances of town having full control of the kill are increased?

I think day 1 should stay as it is. Anything else said will help scum organize and if they slip day 1 then that's on them.
If we just keep those 2 players we find as the scummiest in the pool of those we want to see lynched from each person who forms the chain and the 2nd to last as the most town I think it will be a good plan for day 1.

[farside22]

FoS Count

Dunnstral (1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

pedit: I can't hear you over the sound of my stupid FoS counter :^)

Can we have 2 fos per player? Please?

fos:albert

@raya: i think this will be a good plan, i can see a few hiccups but i thinks its best to scum hunt. Get town vibes, the normal stuff with some fos. Keep an eye on deadline so we do have a lynch and make sure whom ever is the deciding player isnt MIA to make that final choice.

[farside22]

FoS Count

Dunnstral (1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

pedit: I can't hear you over the sound of my stupid FoS counter :^)

Can we have 2 fos per player? Please?

fos:albert

@raya: i think this will be a good plan, i can see a few hiccups but i thinks its best to scum hunt. Get town vibes, the normal stuff with some fos. Keep an eye on deadline so we do have a lynch and make sure whom ever is the deciding player isnt MIA to make that final choice.

Why not? Players have more then 1 scum read and typically can't agree on 1 person as scum typically.
Besides you are not taking my dream away from of having 2 votes.

[farside22]

[farside22]

wrong image fail

[farside22]

TSE has a solid post about Farside not being in charge.
Given I am clearly the Flame God Emperor Town in this game

Sorry I don't put tape on my mouth. You did say it was fine to have 2 votes anyways.

[farside22]

lmao I am just memeing dw.

You, Cakez, Dunnstral and ABR are the players I trust from the pregame to preform well as town.

Glad you said that I was about to go Cartman for my next giphy moment.
I don't mind being part of the group, can I ask why Dunn is a town read?

Chain Order 1.0

springlullaby

(1)

- springlullaby>

Chainless:

(12)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral SirCakez, Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, clidd, NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear, beeboy

Quiz Team 1.0

Purposed Team

(5)

- ???

Approve

(?)

- ???

Decline

(?)

- ???

Not voting:

(13)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral SirCakez, Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, clidd, NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear, beeboy springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-09 23:03:21)

mod: Are we voting on who is part of the quiz? If so is it a simple vote quiz player name is bold thing you want?

[farside22]

1) If a group is approved you will all be added to a neighborhood for that night only.
2) You will be given the information on what happens if you pass and what happens if you fail the quiz.
3) In the neighborhood, you will publically vote as a group on who you want to be the next chain leader
4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

Just wanting this in my name as a reminder how it works. It will be important to have players that are strongly town read to take the quiz but don't fail at quizes.

[farside22]

It will be important to have players that are strongly town read to take the quiz but don't fail at quizes.

wdym mean by the "don't fail at quizzes part". Are you suggesting putting in scumread members to see if the quiz ends up passing or failing? This might not be good because some scum are really good at being townread.

It says something about needing to pass on quizes and electing a chain leader in the group.
You want scum with power?

mod: Are we voting on who is part of the quiz? If so is it a simple vote quiz player name is bold thing you want?

The Chain leader will purpose a team and you will be voting to approve or decline said team. If the team is approved that will be the quiz team. If it is declined a new team must be made.

You were supposed to read about that to confirm your role.
Unless your mafia.

Clap

That is about the extend of my memory when reading rules. Why do you think i took the spoiler out and put in on my post. I will need a reference thats in my face.
But how do you know scum didn't need to read the rules?

[farside22]

Glad you said that I was about to go Cartman for my next giphy moment.
I don't mind being part of the group, can I ask why Dunn is a town read?

Didn't realize you may have been asking me. If you are it's mainly just an early D1 tonal read

Mmmm my tonal read on him is gut scum read. Just something i felt more then anything.

[farside22]

mod: Are we voting on who is part of the quiz? If so is it a simple vote quiz player name is bold thing you want?

The Chain leader will purpose a team and you will be voting to approve or decline said team. If the team is approved that will be the quiz team. If it is declined a new team must be made.

You were supposed to read about that to confirm your role.

Unless your mafia

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I reeeeeaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyy
Want to know how that respose in bold is a possibility in your world when the pm state you need to read the rule in part 3 and verify you read the rules when replying to your pm.

[farside22]

@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?

This is going to start feeling like kick ball where all the weak kids are left as the "I dont want him on my team", squad

[farside22]

I haven't even thought about who I would give it to. I would say who i don't want getting one.

[farside22]

I'm going to give a back story moment here.
*puts on make-up, perks up boobs to try to look younger*

Once upon a time I loved the idea of 2 votes for voting separate players. I thought man the poser to vote 2 people i find scummy would be the best!
I created the mafia dating game show. Watching that game play out the times i saw scum put on the block....it was pretty powerful. Out of the 3 rendtions town won twice.
Why i bring this up.
We are talking about 2 players being at the bottom and we can talk about scum reads freely. Get players towards the bottom that the majority finds scummy.
You still have everyones voice making the choice of the bottom 2 and there is little room to hide.
Plus it was something I really wanted to do as a player so its a bit for selfish reason im proposing this idea.

[farside22]

Let's just play as normal.

I agree, but I don't necessarily think we can do that here. Although I just want to get down to some scumhunting, it's been too long.

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

Btw, if you're going to track FOS, then you should track, at least, 2 (if not all) from each player or just don't make the effort to track them. You can have multiple scumreads, just as you can have multiple townreads. But it's so early, who really has a dead-on scumread yet?

TSE has a solid post about Farside not being in charge.
Given I am clearly the Flame God Emperor Town in this game

Who are you again?

<3

Just an fyi I'm not explaining any of that unless I live to day 2.

[farside22]

Explaining what?

Emoji's I'm feeling, emoji's I am feeling.

[farside22]

Your questioning how dorky I am. You think I'm bored or your bored and wish the convo would die or i would die.

I speak some fun imaginative emoji talk.

[farside22]

I townread TSE/BeeBoy/Dunn.

Pinkball tunnelling on Sircakez and Raya is interesting?
Not a huge fan of the way Sircakez ended mechanical discussion.
My top townreads are the same as raya's, so either they're apparent or raya has a Town mindset. I'd assume apparent.

Im really torn about you right now.
Can you tell me why you think pink is tunneling or why it's interesting? I consider tunneling more then a few post and this is early game chat.
Can't say I'm a fan of buddy up to raya.

[farside22]

FoS Counter

midwaybear (3) - Raya, Beeboy, NDMath

unwnd(1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

SirCakez (1) -

NDMath

Starbuck (2) -

Beeboy, Farside

[farside22]

Your questioning how dorky I am. You think I'm bored or your bored and wish the convo would die or i would die.

I speak some fun imaginative emoji talk.

Lets see thumbs up, thumps up, thumbs down, thumbs down. Going with my first response is right and my second response in the other was correct. Which means you feel bad you want me to die. But great job to me for interrupting emjoi's
Thanks for the entertainment. Kind of needed it right now.

1. I'm typically apprehensive of those who go straight into game strategy where they force us to not have an RVS. You did that and thus, took away a semi-useful phase of the game.

Do you guys just not 'get' that there's no standard voting in this game? How are we supposed to rvs?

I think the conversation should have, especially given the mechanics, evolved a bit more organically in any case. Can't change it now, but it should have been more of a "how do we think we should do this?" and roll from there to see what ideas came about. Not really to see if there were any other ideas, but to see who might be scummy given whatever was put on the table.

In all actuality, beeboy took that away. And for the record, I'm not stating he's scummy for it but he took away multiple opportunities for conversations to evolve and for folks to learn about others.

Just so you know you are making no sense at all. You basically don't like beeboy for coming in and talking about the game but then thought it should happen more organically (which a few people did chime in with thoughts as well) so I'm not really seeing the issue you are presenting from this.

[farside22]

I read beeboy as town, and I feel like that interaction with Starbuck could be TvT yes. So I townread both of them.
I'm not really confident in anyone right now, so I'm not sure who I would hand the chain to. I would probably give it to NDMath or Starbuck because Starbuck seems pretty genuine and NDMath feels townie.

Starbuck basically came in, complained about beeboy and been on defense since. Not sure how you get that as a town read as its pretty NAI.

I read beeboy as town, and I feel like that interaction with Starbuck could be TvT yes. So I townread both of them.
I'm not really confident in anyone right now, so I'm not sure who I would hand the chain to. I would probably give it to NDMath or Starbuck because Starbuck seems pretty genuine and NDMath feels townie.

Is there any other reasons you think starbuck is town or is it entirely based on that interaction maybe being TvT and your read on Bee? Do you think that interaction could also come from TvS?

You stated a town read on star as well in post 172. And a town read on bee. Why did you feel the need to ask this question to mid?

I though Unwnd seemed town

I though Unwnd seemed town

I’d completely disagree.
What makes you read them as Town?
Their posts are just shade. That’s it.

I think our disagreement is that his posts were shade. I get that his post about you is hard to defend to because it wasn't specific but your posts were more or less just fluff and images at that point. I feel the same only I don't think its AI so not worth posting about.

What I found town was his post about NDMath. I was having similar thoughts about that post and also a little suspicious of it once someone pointed out he seemed to be budding me. Only thing I didn't agree with is that a town read on you is safe.

I don't see a reason your town reading unwnd. All you said was you didn't see it as shade posting.
You realize unend callrd out ND saying his town reads are secuity position (which he listed 3 player) and unwnd basically says he doesn't TSE, calls dunn null and beeboy fine. That basically contradicts his whole post about ND in one shot.
So I will ask again.
Why are you town reading unwnd?

[farside22]

It's so interesting because I don't feel I'm being defensive. More discussion than anything else and interacting to try and get some reads.

EBWOP:

So far, I'm not really liking SirCakez continual whiteknighting of beeboy to me when there's no real reason to do so. It's feeling like a way to be active without necessarily commenting on much else.

TSE's overreaction and subsequent posts have just been weird.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling on farside as she's understandably curious/suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's quite genuine or not.

Dunnstral isn't giving me warning bells, so I'm leaning town there. I've also appreciated Raya's contributions and feeling town there, as well.

I'm neutral/town-ish on beeboy because I can see where the difference of gameplay might have come from and willing to trust others who seem to have read him as town.

I need ABR, unwnd, spring, midway, Pink Ball, and NDmath to post more.

Sorry girl I think you are scum and you are the last person I want to get into it with.

[farside22]

I townread TSE/BeeBoy/Dunn.

Pinkball tunnelling on Sircakez and Raya is interesting?
Not a huge fan of the way Sircakez ended mechanical discussion.
My top townreads are the same as raya's, so either they're apparent or raya has a Town mindset. I'd assume apparent.

I really don't like this post for some reason haha

I think what I don't like about that post couples into how I'm reading the thread right now, which is essentially I think ND's proposed townreads are all security positions. The people who are commonly townread are town. Job well done hats off to everyone

In terms of how I read those three I've already not really liked TSE (Explain others), Dunn null and Beeboy is like fine? Fine is a great way to describe him

He literally contradicts his own reason for scum reading NDMath, byt saying he disagreed with the town reads.
And you think that is a good point!!!????




Raya: Do you typically ask a player why they town read a player you town read to see if they are scum? I'm curious because it's not something I typically see players do.

[farside22]

Meh, I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion in the past. My town read comes off scummy most of the time. I'm used to it.

Okay I'll bite for a moment.
I expected from the sign up for this game you would be more excited to play and be a bit more bubbly in your posting. Instead you came into it like someone pissed in your cherrios and hated everything this game represented.
That was exactly how I read your start. No hey, no good humor. And since then you where defensive, OMGUS and to top it off your reads are basically not saying much.
Lets review.

So far, I'm not really liking SirCakez continual whiteknighting of beeboy to me when there's no real reason to do so. It's feeling like a way to be active without necessarily commenting on much else.

TSE's overreaction and subsequent posts have just been weird.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling on farside as she's understandably curious/suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's quite genuine or not.

Dunnstral isn't giving me warning bells, so I'm leaning town there. I've also appreciated Raya's contributions and feeling town there, as well.

I'm neutral/town-ish on beeboy because I can see where the difference of gameplay might have come from and willing to trust others who seem to have read him as town.

I need ABR, unwnd, spring, midway, Pink Ball, and NDmath to post more.

Cakez - mmmm ok I kind of glossed over the back and forth but I recall he called you out for throwing shade on Beeboy, which is how I read the post too by the way, and therefore wking him? (I'm going to come back to this in a larger format soon)
TSE - that is vague
farside - fence sitting
beeboy - trending carefully on that read
and the rest (all on gilligans island!)
So in short all that and you have 1 scum read and few town reads. Not to mention the excuses I read are killing me inside.
The "it's been so long since I played a game of mafia" and "trying to get my foot into the game", the "struggling to get a read in the game".
That is literally scum claiming 102 in my world.

I think Raya believes what they are saying. Farside you have solid points about the reads themselves and they aren't particularly reads I would back up but I also think Raya stand by what she is saying. I also don't particularly see inconsistencies with how she is approaching the game which is more what I tend to look for when I try and identify people with bad reads.

I could be wrong here but I do think she is town.

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Most players town or scum can believe what they are saying. After catching up I'm thinking Raya was trying to pocket unwnd because that town read and reasoning looks like shit.
And that was the most pleasant way I would say that.

God my cat submitted for me mid-thought

Anyways, I enjoy reading the room. I look at the game and think about the direction it's going in and who is exactly determining said direction. I find a dichotomy between town controlling the thread and scum controlling it is something that proves beneficial over time. You have games where enthusiastic scum may take a quick jump to gain influence and as I see it now I don't think that's happening. I again sit at beeboy being fine and he can continue to be fine until something changes. I mention this however because when there is a established presence then all scum really have to do is nod their head and make agreeable posts. This is where ND bothered me first and foremost. TSE largely remains weird, but I think if he's scum he's going to exaggerate more of his absurdity than less of it so it's not really a good look either way. I think Starbuck/Farside have similar posting traits but what comes out of them is vastly different. Farside seems more antagonistic/forth-right while Starbuck remains passive and slightly on the defensive.

I used to be a lot worse and more bitchy. This is pretty tame for me and there were a few times I didn't say anything because it would have just been me telling someone off more then playing the game.

[farside22]

Post your lynch pool guys.

1)tse
2)raya
3) starbuck

I think you're trying to replicate how pushy you are when you're town but instead it looks like an overreaction.

If this is about tse, i don't know the guys meta but he is way over reacting to the post.


@starbuck: you asked what i was thinking about you. You can call it ad homs but i took time off of MS too. Getting into a game is difficult if players play differently. Getting into a game you know has no rvs isn't difficult with fos to be used. Talking strategy with a game mechanic is always a thing. That are things that you don't forget. Players get excited by new mechanics or how to work a hame. That again is constant.
You just read as waiting on the side line while asking people general questions with little scum hunting.
I stand by my 102 rule.

[farside22]

When it comes to the chain I think there's benefit in giving to people you scumread, this may seems backwards but you're putting them in a position to commit to a read either way. If people are just throwing the chain around like hypothetical townblocks this can become an issue if the townblock is incorrect

I think giving it to town reads who have similar scum reads as you are better. Some players seem to not to want to listen or agree with others and if that player is scum then the player will never be lynched whoch is a disservice to town.

Starbucks lets say Spring went totally rogue and tossed you the chain what would you do with it?
Trying to get into your head right now.


I've kind of given up on ABR because he just doesn't intend on playing until day 2 apparently.

If Sprint wants to go completely rouge they pass the biggest scum read the chain.
lol.
That’s be funny

If I town read someone everyone else thought was scum I wouldn't give a shit to give them the chain lmao.

I would not pass a chain to beeboy for this exact reason.

NDMath doubling down and defending TSE is interesting. Prolly not the scum move there.

If I had to guess the scum team.
I’d guess sircakes, Farside and Unwnd.

If each of them could reply to this quote with the words “Your Wrong or Your Right”
That would be much appreciated.
(This is a Test. Let’s see if they all pass it or not)

I'll bite cuz I'm curious what this will lead to
You're Right

I feel like the arguments might get to a point where we have a plan, but the second to last person gets tilted and passes the chain to the person we wanted killed. I hope this doesn't happen lol

Useless doubt-creating post

Alright.
Now I want Farside and Unwnd to give theirs.

I ignored you on purpose since I think your being an asshole and your scum.
I don't interact with toxicity scum play style as there main goal is to cause players to lose there shit and taunt there reads and play style for everyone in the game.
Been there, had it happen too often to be, not indulging you further.

^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

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As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

Town: pinkball (that was hard there is 2 others I'd do)
Scum: TSE

Also a quick question.
Is this all Vanilla?
I read setup but I still can’t figure it out.

Role fishing.

[farside22]

mod: V/LA for 2-3 days

[farside22]

Wow is Raya a universal townread? That's not good

Nope.

@starbuck

Also, farside's emojis get explained later. I still feel purposefully not interacting is anti-town, even if you deem someone a scum read, because others could learn/pick up something from the go-between

I wanted to play with you. I think your scum so instead of attacking your post like I typically would I'm leaving you be but still scum reading you and reading your post.
For example you stated this.

However, ABR and farside are confounding me. I mean, they are both parroting each other saying that they expected me to be more lighthearted, but to be real, I expected folks I know to be a little more welcoming to me and less negative. So the tones, and personal slights in regards to farside, which they are taking with me are really throwing me off

Players can feel a certain way about players all the time. Many town read beeboy, some players find TSE attack going extreme and over the top. That isnt a reason to be suspicious of a player. Your point just reads as "omgus for think that about me"

I also believe you to be a better player then this to know the difference.

[farside22]

Budding's part of my play style. Though I wasn't trying to with that post.

Buddying is part of your town playstyle or do you mean scum?

Play style. I'm generally more concerned about my townreads not being hung than my scumreads being hung. It's also easier for me to gage whether I'm alienating myself from the thread or not when there's someone who townreads me enough to change their read in such a case.

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.
Please, thanks.

Opposite of midway...
T: TSE
S: unwnd

Honestly, I don't think spring not passing the chain is too big of an issue atm.

If they spend have the day not passing the chain or proposing a group, everyone else is going to have to make a mildly rushed decision is the only concern I see.

Why do you see unwnd as scum?

The following is a scum scummy post made by Sage that game responding to my post:

“This post rubs me SO wrong right here. In essence it means absolutely nothing, imparts absolutely no insight. It's more of a call to attention like "hey look! I'm making pro town posts!" Chrome has been absolutely non-committal, and doesn't actually seem to be interested in putting themselves out there and committing to anything or anyone.

Most of their posts are just like this but this one really sets off alarms in my head, especially considering it's such a sly set-up to start a bandwagon on just about anyone who might take the bait. It's basically implying "if you vote faint, (or anyone else I can spin to be a 'safe lynch') you are scum, and I get to jump on you."

Making people afraid to engage, and discuss shit is classic scum behavior, or at the very least very poor town gameplay. We want people to be talking, especially day 1. Announcing to the world that you'll be watching and harrassing anyone who comments on a vote train is just beyond bad for town.“

Can you actually believe people call this town motivated LOL.

Many, many players say a post rubs them wrong or a post pings them. It is NAI. Also I find you bring other games into this and how great you are and showing off your record as bragging.
I don't see a point other wise. You say it once or twice to make a point to have players pay attention towards the end of the day, not in the middle and not constantly. Otherwise it just reads as filler bragging and in the end bs.

[farside22]

Typically I would not want to list town reads from everyone in a game, but I hope by doing this SL will move this game forward.

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.

Raya (2) beeboy, Albert
midway(1) TSE
Cakes (1) Pink
Bee (3) Raya, cakes, star
Pink (1) farside
Starbuck (1) Dunn
unwnd (1) midway
TSE (1) NDMath

- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Unwnd (2) TSE, NDMath
Raya (1) Pink
Midway (2) Raya, Dunn
TSE (3) farside, midway, cakes
Star (1) Albert
cakez (1) star

[farside22]

Your questioning how dorky I am. You think I'm bored or your bored and wish the convo would die or i would die.

I speak some fun imaginative emoji talk.

Lets see thumbs up, thumps up, thumbs down, thumbs down. Going with my first response is right and my second response in the other was correct. Which means you feel bad you want me to die. But great job to me for interrupting emjoi's
Thanks for the entertainment. Kind of needed it right now.

Maybe woosh but it's the konami code (B lush, A ngel)

Never heard of konami code.

[farside22]

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.

Yes, that's what I thought. I think your claim look legit so far. I'd like other player input on how likely beeboy is to be a ballsy fake claiming scum.

I don't know beeboy. I don't find his play scummy at all. The claim changes nothing for me.

[farside22]

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

[farside22]

I approve the quiz team

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SL: who are you town/scum reads?

[farside22]

Alright, that's my question answered.

So as you know, I'm the chainleader, and I'm also responsible of nominating a quiz team.

Here what I know about the team:

1) The quiz team size for tonight is 5 players.
2) All players on the quiz team get to pass or fail the quiz, by PM to the mod.

3) If the quiz is passed, town gain a unspecified advantage.
4) If the quiz is failed, scum gain a unspecified advantage.

5) All quiz team member must pass the quiz, for the quiz to be passed.
6) If no quiz team can be formed, scum gain an unspecified advantage.

> Given the above, there is zero advantage in veto-ing the quiz team since:
a) scum automatically gain an advantage anyway
b) quiz team failing or passing the quiz serves as PoE.

Bold number 3 and 4 unwnd. I'm not sure what is unclear about this.

A) Quiz team members have the additional task of selecting the next chain leader by vote.
B) The next chain leader can be selected outside of the quiz team.

> Given all of the above, I'd like to take care of forming the quiz team first.

NOMINATE QUIZ TEAM:

1. Springlullaby
2. farside
3. Starbuck
4. Raya
5. Dunnstral

> Also, I will personally vote to nominate beeboy as the next chain leader.

Please vote to approve the quiz team.

[farside22]

Wow that really is a 10 hour video. I didn't listen to it all, maybe 5 minutes but seeing 10 hours pop up when I clicked on the link scared me a lot.
Who has that kind of time?

I'm waiting to see if people are making trouble for the quiz team.

I don't see anyone disagreeing given the trajectory of this game. I asked the mod a few questions myself and I can't say based on her response I agree on always passing the quiz

[farside22]

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

[farside22]

Wow that really is a 10 hour video. I didn't listen to it all, maybe 5 minutes but seeing 10 hours pop up when I clicked on the link scared me a lot.
Who has that kind of time?

I'm waiting to see if people are making trouble for the quiz team.

I don't see anyone disagreeing given the trajectory of this game. I asked the mod a few questions myself and I can't say based on her response I agree on always passing the quiz

It's apparently context-specific, meaning the advantage or disadvantage given for the quiz will be explained to the participants.

Okay......so those that participate know what the advantage is and what the disadvantage is. I'm almost sure if the town get an advantage everyone would know what the advantage is. If there is a disadvantage and it fails we know one of the 5 members (or more) have scum in the ranks.
I already decided if the group stays Dunn should be the next new leader for day 2. I don't see too many disagreeing with that given the dynamics of the group.

[farside22]

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

Why?

[farside22]

Because theres scum in there. Who's in favor of putting sircakez in charge of the chain tomorrow?

Let me ask this. Do you think SL is telling the truth about gaining an advantage for town or scum based on success or failure?
If so do you want to force scum to show there hands day 2?

[farside22]

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

The 3rd one is always on the team.
I don't see spring not putting herself on the team, so if she is scum this group always fails today it's not even worth considering the world she is scum when looking at the team.

The other 4 I wouldn't care if they put themselves on the hot-seat by hitting the reject button.
That forces scum to do one of the following, never shoot inside the group in order to not clear their own POE. Or it forces them to accept and the group is fine.

The chain leader doesn't have to nominate themselves for the quiz.
I'd be fine with beeboy as chain leader day 2 but you town read raya and i don't.

[farside22]

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

Yeah and TSE I asked a question about that guy. Would you like to tell me that is normal for him to make a mountain out of a molehill or legit ignore players who do the same thing?

[farside22]

I don't know why ABR doesn't want to a possible garentee to his scum reads being put in the quiz.
I would love to know if I'm on the right track with Star or Raya.

How about if you don't like the propsal and I'm curious about Star we keep her, take out me and add cakez to the mix of SL's list.

[farside22]

It's only if a group is denied and bad if it is denied 3x with each group you make SL.

[farside22]

Does the person who gets the chain become the next to nominate a 5-man if the first one is denied? Or is it if the first one is denied, then there's no quiz at all?

@ Mod

The chainleader makes the group suggestion.

[farside22]

If part of the quiz group is lynched, the quiz fails.

EVERYONE! IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER LYNCHING ONE OF THE PLAYERS ON LULLYS LIST TODAY YOU MUST VOTE NO TO THE CURRENT QUIZ TEAM

I WILL NOT GIVE LYNCH IMMUNITY TO SOME OF THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS IN THIS GAME

REWORK YOUR PROPOSED TEAM BECAUSE I WILL MAKE SURE ONE OF THEM IS LYNCHED WHEN THE CHAIN IS PASSED TO ME

The only player you called scum on that list is Starbuck.

[farside22]

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

You know if you’d actually read you’d know, that wasn’t the slip.
The slip was then having Math as their scum read over me.

Ah you said first off, then said below that it wasn't the slip.
I retract my question then. But still don't like you.

[farside22]

If part of the quiz group is lynched, the quiz fails.

EVERYONE! IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER LYNCHING ONE OF THE PLAYERS ON LULLYS LIST TODAY YOU MUST VOTE NO TO THE CURRENT QUIZ TEAM

I WILL NOT GIVE LYNCH IMMUNITY TO SOME OF THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS IN THIS GAME

REWORK YOUR PROPOSED TEAM BECAUSE I WILL MAKE SURE ONE OF THEM IS LYNCHED WHEN THE CHAIN IS PASSED TO ME

This a hard Claim?

/Deny Team

Claim? How is that a claim?

Spring hand me the chain, Raya is on VLA and kinda needs time to get around to the thread >_>

>:(((

12 players, 10 days.
Scum will make excuses to stall.
People can't think while sleeping.
People will be busy.

A lot of factors need us to move.

Shes already stalling!!!!!!

Beeboy is like the only player that should be trusted right now. Lully should outsource the quiz team to beeboy and we all should approve it.

You stop denying my quiz team. Who is stalling now?

PASS THE CHAIN SPRING

Everybody should start their posts with that until she does.

Beeboy is the only player everyone here trusts so he should have final say on todays team and that's final. I'm voting no to anything that is not directly beeboy's handpicked players. If you try to coerce beeboy into supporting your group by bullying, mind games, or threats, I will also vote no to every team proposal.

This is what you call pocketing a read.
*ducks from being yelled at*

Sorry I just felt like joking for a moment.

SL, Unwnd, Farside are my guesses for the scum team thus far.
Although I could be wrong on Farside.

I disagree with your reads in full.
I see nothing town about Raya (I think Beeboy maybe blind about there under the radar play, but again that town read on ND was shit reason), Starbuck and I still say you but I admit my bias is based on how you attack a player that reads like no mater what a player says they are wrong and scum.

[farside22]

Alright guys, I'm in charge of the chain now. Give me 24h to make my decision and I will pass it to the towniest players while spring lets beeboy pick a better quiz team.

I thought you were giving it to beeboy?
Why are you waiting after all that?

Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

So I like this plan. Who agrees?

I am good with PB choosing.

[farside22]

SL: What is the proposed team? I think the first one needs to be denied completely first....idk

[farside22]

i didn't soft jack and as I said i will change my mind MANY TIMES today.

Now who agrees with leaving PB and cakez for the final 5 so they can catch scum?

There should be an agreement to leave 2 people out of the chain. As I said Beeboy already admitted he didn't care what players said and if everyone agreed a player was scum he would still pick a player he town reads, so you may want to list 3 people as scum reads.

[farside22]

Like if I look at the list of players who listed there top scum reads it is Mid, Unwnd and TSE.

[farside22]

SL: What is the proposed team? I think the first one needs to be denied completely first....idk

[farside22]

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

Doubts like unsure or scum read?

[farside22]

@unwnd pretend TSE isn't a player for a bit and try to direct the game.
I think most of the game just null reads your interaction with TSE and town reads TSE for it.
So you should readjust and push something else if you are town.

I wonder if your reading the game.

[farside22]

Well if this isn’t a vanilla only game I wouldn’t be to mad if I get lynched here as I’m a good Lynch role wise.

??? Does this quote make sense to anyone? If you aren't vanilla, then you should know that this isn't vanilla only. Am I going crazy?

@spring
I might pass it to unwnd because I think TSE is scum
Would not pass to TSE

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

I didn't quote it but earlier in the game you said you had a town read on Starbuck. Talked about giving it to her. Town read tse and said nothing about me till this post.
So im curious who are your scum reads.

[farside22]

@unwnd pretend TSE isn't a player for a bit and try to direct the game.
I think most of the game just null reads your interaction with TSE and town reads TSE for it.
So you should readjust and push something else if you are town.

I wonder if your reading the game.

What part? He went back to talking about TSE I know he was talking about other players.
Unwnd is still expressing frustrations about TSE and his entire stance on him is kinda mute to me at this point. Since his reaction to the tunnel doesn't feel alignment indicative which is a majority of his content this game. A point gets reached while being tunneled when your reactions basically neutral out.

I need a wider range of content then most to establish my read.

A few players are scum reading tse.
Im reevaluating a few reads currently, but some players took a side with the back and forth between unwnd and tse.

[farside22]

VOTE: midway

You're safe buddy. All yours. Keep dunstrall downchain he's my biggest scumread close to Starbuck.

Why'd you pick midway? Why no reaction to his pick that was against what you wanted?

[farside22]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

So you have no opinion on the players attacking each other? If you feel that way why did you say not too long ago you were going to pass to unwnd? What changed and why did you go against Abr's request?

[farside22]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

So why did you suggest giving it to starbuck if you feel tjis way?

[farside22]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.

Farside, ABR, NDMath
Is my tin foil right now.

Since you both wrong about me i cant take any of your scum reads seriously.

[farside22]

@Farside
You do realize if your scum you just ratted out at least 1 of your buddies.
With your response there, me or bee has at least 1 of your buddies in our list.

Not scum so.......


That said I am confused about abr's lack of reaction towards midways comment. Thats really unlike abr to not care when a player defies him.
Midway basically just calls 2 groups that are arguing as unsure how he feels but wanted to give star a chain. Those 2 thoughts just don't match.

[farside22]

yeah I think farside is scum.

Ah i did catch you after all. Too bad you won't be lynching me today.

[farside22]

yeah I think farside is scum.

Ah i did catch you after all. Too bad you won't be lynching me today.

unlucky my scum read on you and ABR cant coexist FeelsBadMan

No definitely abr and midway with that exchange. Not sure now and the 3rd. Still want to say tse.

[farside22]

Unwnd is scummy

Not sure what to think of midway giving me the chain, though I suppose it doesn't matter. Why didn't he give it to his top town unwnd?

He claimed he was unsure of unwnd now.

[farside22]

yeah I think farside is scum.

Ah i did catch you after all. Too bad you won't be lynching me today.

Lol i will lynch you tomorrow then good things come to those who wait

Nope.
Your scum team is better off killing me N1. You should know that.

[farside22]

No definitely abr and midway with that exchange. Not sure now and the 3rd. Still want to say tse.

I saw ABR in a rough spot with a low amount of players trusting him.
He saw a near death spot so he tossed the chain to someone who is being sussed but wasn't for sure dead yet. He wanted midway to either chain someone on his read list or a consensus read so he doesn't generate a town moment.

I thought ABR was trying to incriminate midway + gain leverage over a town player.
I liked the entire exchange from midway and hated most of the ABR content.

I dont see midway explaining his reasons for changing is reads well at all.
Town reads unwnd, sudden switch. Town reads star, sudden switch. Talks about giving star a chain, but has her listed as possible scum.
None of that makes sense.

[farside22]

yeah I think farside is scum.

Ah i did catch you after all. Too bad you won't be lynching me today.

Lol i will lynch you tomorrow then good things come to those who wait

Nope.
Your scum team is better off killing me N1. You should know that.

Me and TSE deserve a lot more credit then what we are getting, we are actively trying to keep you alive.

[farside22]

Me and TSE recognized the threat of ABR killing you, so we've been faking a scum read on you to keep you alive.
EZ Clap

I did not see that one coming.

[farside22]

Why were you faking SR on farside? I don't get how it relates to ABR

Joke.
She told ABR to kill her at night which isn't something scum want to do to a player being pressured by the 2 top posters.

[farside22]

Spring is the hammer on her own team, it's 7 to hammer.
The team basically passed.


@NDMath pass it to farside/starbuck who can pass it to the other. We can't lynch them today.

I hope Starbuck comes back to check the chain before it's too late.

VOTE: Starbuck

I'm sure someone will ask that isn't reading the thread. Abr is scum, I do not see his attack on SB going SvS.
I kind of have a weird thought about another player I think is scum but I don't feel confident in my weird reasoning. It was just a flash in my head as opposed to me sleeping on it and coming to me in a dream of scum hunting.

And yes for the record I am that type of obsessive.

[farside22]

I had one silly question but it's a bit WIFOM.

Do you think ABR voted down the group because it's all town?

[farside22]

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

I'd say cakez at this point.

Although I am not currently expressing it, this is how I am feeling currently about this game

[farside22]

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

[farside22]

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

Yes but what effectively do those catchups do? My bias may be in play but when I'm scum and I have nothing to talk about (see: hard to fake enthusiasm) I'll just cover myself by talking about multiple things even if they don't mean anything in the long run. It's just little things I notice. There's a cursory glance here and there from Starbuck but you're right the only thing certain about her posts is that she doesn't like ABR.

Oh i more then understand that thought process. You should read the whole post and dont associate what you do onto others.

What is your thought on Abr?

If you nominate me and I die spring gets to be chain leader a second time. Confirm with the mod yourself if you want.

@Mod, please confirm the above.

I can confirm the mod said the same thing to me.

Well, you aren't getting that today. Who else do you scum read besides your tunnel on me?

Not even tunneling
I could lynch TSE or maybbeee ABR
I have a lot of nulls

Why is Abr on your maybe list? Why would you think SB and Abr would be scum together based on their interactions this game?

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

Why are you scum reading Tse?

@raya: please wait on passing till a few questions are answered. Thanks.

[farside22]

we should still reject the proposal

Hi scum Abr!
To bad its been approved.

Thanks for dropping the ball day 1.

[farside22]

The way ABR spent the early game hanging back and only got passionate about the quiz team bothered me. There is scum motivation in trying to get the team rejected.
I SR TSE because of his defensiveness, nonsensical pushes and his attempts to get people pushing him killed

You do realize that Abr asked mid not to pass to certain players, then doesn't get pissy at mid for defieying his request and when i called him out he called me scum.....or did you ignore all that for reasons??
And you know i don't expect vague. What post was defensive? What was nonsensical? What do you mean by get people pushing him?

[farside22]

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

[farside22]

When is it appropriate for town power roles to claim to avoid being lynched?

I think if you are the bottom 2 it would make sense for claims then.

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

Why not. Who would you like to see in the bottom 2?

I'm scum reading cakez.
I would keep PB and Beeboy out of the bottom 2.
I'm torn about TSE, as I can tell I see a lot of things that read inflated and over the top and he has pissed me off with some of his ego that comes off as unnecessary, but Bee seems to be town reading him. I read unwnd and I liked how he wrote things but then I felt maybe it's because I see things the same way as he does so I'm bias there.
I see you town read cakez (don't agree with that read at all as you can tell). His reads don't make sense and I think he's buddying up once he declared a light scum read on PB after it was voiced by others.
I know I'm not the only player that see's the TSE/unwnd dynamic in one way or another.
On a personal level I would like to see TSE/Cakez bottom 2 as my scum read on cakez is stronger then TSE. On a more thoughtful and interesting dynamic and something that I think would give more voices to this with people giving there 2 cents I would say unwnd/Cakez on the bottom 2.
I'd be curious to see who say's what more since some have found both scummy and Beeboy hasn't pulled one way or another. I think it would make it a voice for all to say who they scum read more and as I said I would still be advocating Cakez as scum either way.

[farside22]

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

I agree with farside, raya needs to pass to beeboy who passes to PB.

If raya pass to cakez they are scum together.

Now, I'm concerned with ABR agreeing with me. So I don't know anymore.

Farside, help.

I feel a lot of WIFOM. I wish I was a drinker.
I use the image for Abr post because I think of Darth Vadar who would kill even his own men to get what he wants. But I could be completely off with Cakez.
I mean I could go through Abr's complete iso and more then likely I doubt I would see him say he see's Cake as scum. So I'm taking everything Abr says with a lot grains of salt.

[farside22]

If you guys want me to be dead honest.
My strongest skill set in mafia is reading newbies and as a result I've spent a large portion of my carrier defending them which taught me how scum like to push new players.


I feel like a fish out of water this game lmao.

My 2 cent.
Abr and mid are my top 2 and im trying to sort tse/cakez/spring as the 3rd.

[farside22]

whats everyones take on farside and midway?

Im sorry did you actually explain why you were okay woth midway wanting to defy your request and you didn't react negatively towards him when he suggested starbuck?

*looks*

Nope.

You hoping it gets ignore while you pretend to do anything.
Sorry chatlie not happening while im around.

[farside22]

Abr was fine with mid giving starbuck the chain. We should discuss why he was ok with that while he was scum readin SB!!

[farside22]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

[farside22]

^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

-----

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

Raya towniest
Starbuck scummiest

Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
Beeboy
Unwnd

heres a good group:
Farside
Lully
Me
Cakez
Beeboy

Boom.

Alright guys, I'm in charge of the chain now. Give me 24h to make my decision and I will pass it to the towniest players while spring lets beeboy pick a better quiz team.

Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

So I like this plan. Who agrees?

okay so far we have: me, farside, PB, cakez. Who else agrees to this motion?

VOTE: midway

You're safe buddy. All yours. Keep dunstrall downchain he's my biggest scumread close to Starbuck.

All the above shows abr reads and commenylts so Why The Fuck did he give the chain to Mid?
*drops mic*

[farside22]

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Thank you for doing this. I was having issues getting a read on you because it just seemed you were agreeing with others views. I noted when someone said PB was a light scum read, you piped in with saying the same thing. I have commented about my issues with TSE and his play so I just thought you were trying to go off my comments and wanted to see if you had a back up on why you were reading things the way you said you were.
Well and your list about ABR and Star as scum was really weird to have them listed together. I mean I know scum bus but Abr is more attacking SB and SB reads and attacks him back so I wondered if you read that as SvS or why you had them on your scum list together.

[farside22]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

I have been sitting here wondering why the chain suddenly started to move at a breakneck speed once ABR received it. I had a kneejerk reaction denying the quiz because it seemed like the reasons to passing the chain was instilled by this hurry up! mentality and nobody had to really justify their choices. I asked Dunn about it and while he did answer, it left me wanting more.

I was writing up a small paragraph about my feeling of each individual pass but ultimately I think the reason for the passes were already decided in a sense. Once ABR outed that the quiz people are lynch immune others just shrugged their shoulders and were throwing the chain from anyone not in the quiz. I think it will be very telling based on these quiz votes and also the outcome of the quiz in this regard. In fact I'd say that outcome is much more important than the way the chain has been tossed.

And the playing yelling at everyone about the quiz and wanting to lynch SB gives it to mid who isn't even on the list he proposed to be on the quiz.

I'm apparently some fucking consensus scumread now and no one other than Starbuck (who is scum mad I pushed her) has presented any serious reasoning why. Someone just proposed unwnd/myself as the bottom two and everyone went like "hurr durr let's do that". I'd put players like farside, Dunn, ABR, PB in this pool.

But it seems so far that most people want Cakez and Unwnd as the bottom two and I am starting to doubt my TSE scumread so I'm not as convinced TSE has to be in the bottom two anymore. There isn't really a point anymore because there wouldn't even be a debate since most are townreading TSE now.

who is even TRing TSE?

I did explain my reasons for scum reading you to a few players.
And Beeboy is town reading TSE, but I don't know who else is.

[farside22]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

Your list is wonky, farside. I gave it to Raya.

Sorry I was going off memory and mixed that one up.

I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Thank you for doing this. I was having issues getting a read on you because it just seemed you were agreeing with others views. I noted when someone said PB was a light scum read, you piped in with saying the same thing. I have commented about my issues with TSE and his play so I just thought you were trying to go off my comments and wanted to see if you had a back up on why you were reading things the way you said you were.
Well and your list about ABR and Star as scum was really weird to have them listed together. I mean I know scum bus but Abr is more attacking SB and SB reads and attacks him back so I wondered if you read that as SvS or why you had them on your scum list together.

I called PB light scum back then because he is not playing like my previous town games with him and he doesn't have much reasoning of why other than his Silver Bullet alter-ego. But then I brought up Flying Scumsman and he just sort of ignored it. And his progression on everything feels kinda fake, esp myself.
I don't think ABR/SB are scum together because of their arguments like you said. But I have independent reasons to scumread both.

I'm surprised you didn't have a list of null players or leaning scum players then.

I don't think ABR/SB are scum together because of their arguments like you said. But I have independent reasons to scumread both.

You are right to scumread

Starbuck

ABR.

I fixed the above.

[farside22]

^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

-----

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

Raya towniest
Starbuck scummiest

Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
Beeboy
Unwnd

heres a good group:
Farside
Lully
Me
Cakez
Beeboy

Boom.

Alright guys, I'm in charge of the chain now. Give me 24h to make my decision and I will pass it to the towniest players while spring lets beeboy pick a better quiz team.

Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

So I like this plan. Who agrees?

okay so far we have: me, farside, PB, cakez. Who else agrees to this motion?

VOTE: midway

You're safe buddy. All yours. Keep dunstrall downchain he's my biggest scumread close to Starbuck.

All the above shows abr reads and commenylts so Why The Fuck did he give the chain to Mid?

*drops mic*

[farside22]

Ftr the more people ignore my point about ABR the more times I will quote it since ABR has gone out of his way to ignore it and bury it with ass kissing.

[farside22]

whats everyones take on farside and midway?

Im sorry did you actually explain why you were okay woth midway wanting to defy your request and you didn't react negatively towards him when he suggested starbuck?

*looks*

Nope.

You hoping it gets ignore while you pretend to do anything.
Sorry chatlie not happening while im around.

Still waiting ABR.....Still waiting

[farside22]

farside it doesnt matter to me that midway didnt pick inside a pool of 4 random players i cant read. The important thing is that we lynch scum at the bottom of the chain, even if midway saves dunstral-scum, it isnt harmful to lynching correctly necessarily.

So you went from rage at SL to hey I'm going to be so cool about a player wanting my scum read to be part of the chain that I don't want???
Right?
Right?
You really think i should believe that load?

That's like me doing a complete 180 for no fucking reason.
It doesn't happen.

And again you picked a player that was not even on your list and you have not explain why.

[farside22]

I'm stirring up some drama to see reactions farside, lay off

[farside22]

I'm going to step back off ABR only because he can't be lynched today (looks at SL for giving him the chain).
There is those left out that need to be focused on which is PB, TSE, Unwnd, BB and Cakez.

For those that are not part of the chain and the final 5 I would like to see whom they want as the final 2 of those left.

[farside22]

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

Just putting the one Cakez stated.

[farside22]

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

Just putting the one Cakez stated.

Yeah there is at Minimum 1 scum within You, Unwnd and Cakez if not all of you are the scum Open Wolfing because your scared of me.

[farside22]

I think it's Dunn, Farside and unwnd

Yes. Yes. YES!!!!!

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

Just putting the one Cakez stated.

Yeah there is at Minimum 1 scum within You, Unwnd and Cakez if not all of you are the scum Open Wolfing because your scared of me.

Yeah, throw in Starbuck in there as well. TSE = town.

Basically Albrt agrees with evreyone on there scum list without a reason.

So TSE: I stated I wanted cakez/unwnd as the bottom 2, can you explain your scum reads in relation to that statement?

And why are you town reading ABR?

[farside22]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

[farside22]

Ok take your reads, right? and then I want you to do an inverse graph and whatever your first reads were, the opposite of that is gonna be the reality.

is this for me or for everyone?

Just you, this is your special superpower.

Basically Albrt agrees with evreyone on there scum list without a reason.

I disagree strongly with cakez about PB/TSE being the last 2 to choose from.

Scum should be inside farside, dunstral, starbuck, unwnd, maybe cakez not sure

Town read to scum read in 5 second flat. New record?

[farside22]

It's okay you can apologize to me later I won't blame you for it Tony Stark

I'm aware

It's okay. I'll accept apologies from you and ABR if you're both town. No hard feelings, pinky swear.

I will also wholeheartedly apologize to you at the start of Day 2 if you flip town.

What do you think, cakez? Scum really do love their apologies, don't they.

For those just joining us now, Cakez and I just caught 2 scum btw.

Ok take your reads, right? and then I want you to do an inverse graph and whatever your first reads were, the opposite of that is gonna be the reality.

is this for me or for everyone?

Just you, this is your special superpower.

Basically Albrt agrees with evreyone on there scum list without a reason.

I disagree strongly with cakez about PB/TSE being the last 2 to choose from.

Scum should be inside farside, dunstral, starbuck, unwnd, maybe cakez not sure

Those contradictions keep coming fella.
Just keep them coming.

[farside22]

Town read to scum read in 5 second flat. New record?

not sure if you have the same superpower midway has or you're purposely throwing the game with your shitty reads

Ok take your reads, right? and then I want you to do an inverse graph and whatever your first reads were, the opposite of that is gonna be the reality.

is this for me or for everyone?

Just you, this is your special superpower.

Basically Albrt agrees with evreyone on there scum list without a reason.

I disagree strongly with cakez about PB/TSE being the last 2 to choose from.

Scum should be inside farside, dunstral, starbuck, unwnd, maybe cakez not sure

More and more contradictions.
I'm not drinking from that koolaid.
You think you are Donald Trump who can ignore what you said and act like you never said it before?
There is history and notes and comments.

[farside22]

Albert B. Rampage town
Dunnstral scum
SirCakez town
Raya36 null
Starbuck town
farside22 scum
unwnd scum
NDmath town
TrueSoulEnergy town
midwaybear null
beeboy town
springlullaby town

Pretty good reads I'd say

'Why is Abr a town read.

[farside22]

my reads are gonna change a lot day 1 so strap yourselves in

You don't get to cover yourself for every contradiction. Sorry, not sorry. Not happening.

[farside22]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

I did. You read it because you noted you were on my scum list.

[farside22]

Imma claim when i get back home because some of you will eat crow

The steak of being scum read as PR continues!

might as well hard claim now

No because it influences the outcome of the quiz all im gonna say

Your more then likely going to have to claim whatever it is if you are part of the final 2 players.

Well we could have unwnd and TSE as the bottom 2.

[farside22]

The only thing i want to see from you is flexing your tongue muscles on my veiny town Pole

Okay, settle down.

[farside22]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

I did. You read it because you noted you were on my scum list.

I knew I was on your scum list before you made one (if you did because I must have missed it)
Just by an Interaction I could tell you were going to scum read me.
Couldn’t tell your alignment.
However, from Midwaybear and Unwnd I could tell that Midwaybears thoughts about me were actual pure thoughts.
Unwnd’s however were not pure thoughts. They didn’t bother explaining Shit before throwing doubt on me.
Midwaybear in the other hand gave an actual solid reasoning towards me which was genuine.

I said your reads and actions on unwnd read over the top. SC just gave a long read with reasoning on a scum read for you with reasons (that you ignored)
And you said yourself there was scum among the players scum reading you because 'they are scared of me".
That's ego.
That's BS
And I have explained my issues with you, not as indepth but pointedly throughout the game.
So no I don't see you explaining your scum reads other then OMGUS.

[farside22]

Albert B. Rampage town
Dunnstral scum
SirCakez town
Raya36 null
Starbuck town
farside22 scum
unwnd scum
NDmath town
TrueSoulEnergy town
midwaybear null
beeboy town
springlullaby town

Pretty good reads I'd say

'Why is Abr a town read.

He would be playing for the long run instead of what he's doing right now

So you will allow him to contradict himself the whole game and continue to town read him???

Can i please be scum in a game your in next time? That would be really awesome.

[farside22]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

I did. You read it because you noted you were on my scum list.

I knew I was on your scum list before you made one (if you did because I must have missed it)
Just by an Interaction I could tell you were going to scum read me.
Couldn’t tell your alignment.
However, from Midwaybear and Unwnd I could tell that Midwaybears thoughts about me were actual pure thoughts.
Unwnd’s however were not pure thoughts. They didn’t bother explaining Shit before throwing doubt on me.
Midwaybear in the other hand gave an actual solid reasoning towards me which was genuine.

I said your reads and actions on unwnd read over the top. SC just gave a long read with reasoning on a scum read for you with reasons (that you ignored)
And you said yourself there was scum among the players scum reading you because 'they are scared of me".
That's ego.
That's BS
And I have explained my issues with you, not as indepth but pointedly throughout the game.
So no I don't see you explaining your scum reads other then OMGUS.

LOL
Well if you are the scum team are you saying you won’t be scared of me right now? XD

I explained my read on Unwnd pretty clearly.
Maybe go back and ISO me if you missed it.

You

have not

explained your other scum reads with reasons.

[farside22]

Albert B. Rampage town
Dunnstral scum
SirCakez town
Raya36 null
Starbuck town
farside22 scum
unwnd scum
NDmath town
TrueSoulEnergy town
midwaybear null
beeboy town
springlullaby town

Pretty good reads I'd say

'Why is Abr a town read.

He would be playing for the long run instead of what he's doing right now

So you will allow him to contradict himself the whole game and continue to town read him???

Can i please be scum in a game your in next time? That would be really awesome.

Why is contradicting himself inherently scummy?

You're already scum this game, is it awesome?

He is using it because he can not because he is really changing reads. Any time he gets called out on changing a read he throws out that he is allowed to change it and never explain why.

And no I'm not scum this game. I would be a lot more happy and less bitchy.

[farside22]

Oh and anytime scum ABR wants to be on a players good side all he has to say is I scum read that player too!!!

[farside22]

farside, no matter what my answer to your question was, you would answer "you will allow him to contradict himself yaddah yaddah". Do you feel engaging me right now about ABR is useful in any sense?

No I was hoping you would explain why I shouldn't scum read him. Apparently you and I disagree with what is scummy.

[farside22]

yes farside, we are all stupid and falling into ABR's pocket with the oldest pocket tactic of all

Ok I claim one-shot wiretapper

Once per game i can choose a player before phase end, that players vote on the quiz will be proxy'd by my own instead

I don't receive what the person originally chose and the person affected will not be notified

Formatting on phone hard

I see a lot of wifom coming a mile away with this claim.

[farside22]

farside, no matter what my answer to your question was, you would answer "you will allow him to contradict himself yaddah yaddah". Do you feel engaging me right now about ABR is useful in any sense?

No I was hoping you would explain why I shouldn't scum read him. Apparently you and I disagree with what is scummy.

Why should I explain you that? Scumread him all you like and let me townread him all I want too. ABR is not a viable lynch today, so it's a moot point

I'm in the quiz voting for a chain leader you were on my list of people I thought I would vote for.

Balance from what

Balance Beeboy's role

[farside22]

Ok I claim one-shot wiretapper

Once per game i can choose a player before phase end, that players vote on the quiz will be proxy'd by my own instead

I don't receive what the person originally chose and the person affected will not be notified

Formatting on phone hard

farside, no matter what my answer to your question was, you would answer "you will allow him to contradict himself yaddah yaddah". Do you feel engaging me right now about ABR is useful in any sense?

No I was hoping you would explain why I shouldn't scum read him. Apparently you and I disagree with what is scummy.

Why should I explain you that? Scumread him all you like and let me townread him all I want too. ABR is not a viable lynch today, so it's a moot point

I'm in the quiz voting for a chain leader you were on my list of people I thought I would vote for.

Balance from what

Balance Beeboy's role

1. So?
2. That's not how balance works.

So I wanted to see if you were worth voting in. Apparently not.
If you say so.

[farside22]

Balance from what

The rewards for quizzes ard context specific. If a scum member is on a quiz that is passed he receives the benefits as well.

@Mod

: Can we get clarification for the bold please?

[farside22]

@farside, you're trying to manipulate me. Sorry, won't work.

Nope.

[farside22]

I asked her if the quiz team gets notified of the advantages and she said yes, meaning a scum member can benefit from a quiz result as long as they're on it

Quiz results yes. Benefits of what the advantage is,No!
Big difference.

That’s how you balance two opposites though.

Escort and Consort
Investigator and Consigliere
Veteran and Medusa
Etc.

They are not opposite roles. beeboy fails a quiz if he's nominated. unwnd changes whoever they want's vote with theirs.

Beeboy says he has to fail it in he's in the quiz. unwnd changes the vote of one player.
How does that not balance?

[farside22]

Beeboy says he has to fail it in he's in the quiz. unwnd changes the vote of one player.
How does that not balance?

Think of the role for a minute. You need beeboy to specifically claim AND participate in a quiz in order to make unwnd's role an efective role towards balance.

Those roles weren't meant to interact with each other. unwnd is scum and adding that third line to make it sound an only town role.

I'm just going to say I see 2 players I'm scum reading pushing unwnd lynch the hardest so you can count me as a hard no to your choice. I know you scum read me, unwnd, Dunn.
I suspect Dunn based on convo with him.
I don't know why you are scum reading me or unwnd. But as I said before we scum read player for our own reasons and I see we do not think scum tells as the same.
I'd rather see TSE lynch today and I will stand by that with ABR with either Mid/SL.

[farside22]

Oh I thought farside's post was from Raya.

I don't care farside, you're opting to defend a pretty much obvious scum claim, so if you're not scum, you're just not someone I'm following

Your working with and trusting obvious scum ABR so.....???

[farside22]

Oh I thought farside's post was from Raya.

I don't care farside, you're opting to defend a pretty much obvious scum claim, so if you're not scum, you're just not someone I'm following

Your working with and trusting obvious scum ABR so.....???

Just saying you don't like my reads, I don't like your reads. We don't trust each other. That was in no way me continuing the conversation.

I already asked you, is there a point on discussing about ABR with me right now? You're just losing both of our times.

@farside, beeboy, starbuck what do you think of the claim after that quote from the mod?

I just can't wrap my mind around a claim so bad. And the lie about the mechanics. He could have claimed anything.

@Abr, I think you need to be doing some ahem convincing of the other members of the quiz team here. That's what you get for framing me as a tyrant.

I think the claim has too much WIFOM, I only saw one benefit in so far as helping Beeboy. I would say based on unwnd's reaction that she thought the claim would help her. As a player who misreads stuff all the time I consider it NAI.
1 shot isn't that strong of an ability. I still town read unwnd as a whole so the claim in it's self is meaningless.

[farside22]

@farside, beeboy, starbuck what do you think of the claim after that quote from the mod?

I just can't wrap my mind around a claim so bad. And the lie about the mechanics. He could have claimed anything.

@Abr, I think you need to be doing some ahem convincing of the other members of the quiz team here. That's what you get for framing me as a tyrant.

If he's scum I honestly think he claimed his actual role or something very similar to it in hopes that he could convince us its a town role.

Would you pass to the next person.
Until a flip happen this much arrogance seems too inflated to look real.

[farside22]

mod: please have them stop spamming this thread

[farside22]

This thread is full of noxious gas, with people getting high off their own fumes 24/7

If your town you should post your scum reads with reasons before the day ends.

[farside22]

Oh and the people trying to string it together that my role works in tangent with Beeboy are reaching

And yes I'm aware that is a defense being made for me but I don't think my role works as a direct beneficiary to Beeboy, especially if we're both town

Beeboy has essentially claimed miller, unrelated to my own claim

Well I had about 10 minutes of thoughts on if the role could help and it all lead down a rabbit hole of scum just making this game a shit show.
The only good point was beeboy's ability. The rest would be a worm hole of wifom and she did X and you being lying scum or vis/versa.

[farside22]

If Unwnd is lynched and Mafia Nightkills me.
They might try and setup a ABR mislynch.
Don’t let them.
And the remaining mafia at that time might be SirCakes and Farside

Not sure why you would think this after high 5ing each other that you believe you caught scum.

[farside22]

So, the towniest interpretation of unwnd's role I can get to is a kind of roleblock that can reliably flip one quiz outcome if one, and only one member of a quiz team is mafia, once.

As an unclaimed role, I'd imagine them having to scumhunt quite hard, to try to make it work.
But then there is their interaction with beeboy, whom they designated as "Fine" since the beginning of the game, but they still think he is an unconnected role.
They are quotable in saying that they thought if a team pass the test, scum if any, on the team would receive an advantage too: I don't see how in the context of that misconception he thought his role could work.

The only way I can think of it being reliably useful to town, is in a case he is in fact town, AND if the quiz team's size vary day to day -> being reduced to a 2 player team for example, he could guarantee a positive outcome for town.

I dunno, I think I have to work really hard to get to that conclusion, but at the same time the claim is so unbelievably bad from a scum standpoint, as it doesn't really out any other potential and really useful PR.

Pink Ball, what do you think about that?

Problem is unwnd is being scum read by others. Everyone could claim for example they voted to pass the test, but it failed, then she gets blamed.
If one scum is in the group they can claim they all voted to pass the quiz and blame unwnd but in reality scum in that group failed it.

[farside22]

I don't want to lynch unwnd on the sole basis I scum read ABR a lot.
But that's such a shit reason to tell PB to kill cakez.


But here is me putting the thought in his head
B)

Im with you there. Well at least with the scum read. As i pointed out there is just too much wifom with unwnd agility

[farside22]

Serious question, regardless of alignment do you guys believe unwnds claim?
Because this entire time I've just assumed that's a very reasonable fake claim but I am just curious for takes.


If we believe the claim unwnd is town because framer kinda destroys this game by turning groups of 5 town into groups with "1 scum"

I think the claim is true.

Also scum reads stand with Abr/Midway and either TSE/SL

I took cakez out with his comments on TSE but he was added in there originally for his weak push on Abr.
I

[farside22]

Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

Train of thoughts. Note the last post was 10 minutes later.

[farside22]

Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

Train of thoughts. Note the last post was 10 minutes later.

So you see what I'm saying!

Well I do see what your saying but I still think ABR passing it to midway is a BS excuse.
But I have a null read on Dunn so I'm not going to fight your read on him.

I think the claim is true.

Also scum reads stand with Abr/Midway and either TSE/SL

I took cakez out with his comments on TSE but he was added in there originally for his weak push on Abr.
I

You mean Abr/midway/cakez or TSE/ME/cakez ?

Strong scum read:
ABR
Midway
Lighter scum reads:
TSE
Spring


Cakes was taken off my scum list after he commented about TSE.

Holy hell, what happened to this thread? It's a Monday! Why are there so many pages?

FFS.

I'll be back in awhile. Need to read.

Man I'm going to be gone a few hours on Tuesday, I hope that game is into night while I'm gone.

nvm
also, why do we all think beeboy is town? For all I know, he could be scum fakeclaiming the miller like role. Not sring beeboy, but just a thought.

This is so scummy it hurts.

[farside22]

I think it’s best if Unwnd dies here.
Cakez did remind me that he was the only one whom answered my question and Unwnd didn’t and Farside stated directly that they refuse to care to answer it.

Still no reason for those scum reads on cakez or me or anyone not called unwnd..............

Yup.

Good talk

[farside22]

No. The last chain is given by voting the other

I thought you vote the player you wanted to stay.

[farside22]

incorrect.
pink ball is right here it's in the rules.

You give the chain by either using bold tagVote:MariaR or using vote tag VOTE: MariaR.
Unvote is not required to change your vote. Also, if it looks like a vote for someone, I will count it. No tricking me!
A player is lynched when they're the only player to not get the chain, the lynchee and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.
If part of the quiz group is lynched, the quiz fails.
If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with No Lynch.
If you're nightkilled, you may post one information-less "bah" post.

[farside22]

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Im torn between spring and dunn on who i was scum reading in that thread.
Spring asked questions about things that i thought were obvious given the game. Dunn didn't say much about any suspicion on raya in the pt.
I can tell you one thing for sure. Dont give the chain to abr.

Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.

Pm mod pass.
Had discussion in PT. Pt stayed open all night.
Also i thought the person who was BP was the chainleader (spring) and unwnd is BP tonight.

Did you check with the mod if unwnds ability would work with you in there for the quiz?

[farside22]

The biggest thing I like do is go a bit into wagonmics, especially after a mislynch

Proposed Team(5)-

Springlullaby

,

farside

,

Starbuck

,

Raya36

,

Dunnstral

Here's our team

springlullaby(12)-

springlullaby

>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>

Dunnstral

>NDmath>

farside22

>

Starbuck

>

Raya36

>beeboy>TrueSoulEnergy>Pink Ball>unwnd

Here's our chain

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Right now there's a discrepancy with the chain formation and the team as well. You have Farside>Starbuck>Raya all passing the chain in succession of one another. Unless the quiz team was just terribly misguided, I'm just going to say it's unlikely that those 3 comprise of a team, rather one of them. I think that is still however possible that more than one scum could be on a team however, but I don't know if that's necessarily true of the team last night.

We were told to pass the chain in that order.

Hmm just saw the post from the mod about chainleader.
No one said anything about it in the PT last night. Someone asked the mod apparently about it.

[farside22]

Oh and raya thought the back and forth discussion between spring and star was tvt.
There was 5 pages of talk.
I maybe forgetting something but im too tired to think of anything else.

[farside22]

Dunn didn't say much about any suspicion on raya in the pt.

I didn't want to stir the pot if the quiz was going to pass. There was no reason for me to say anything about Raya in the pt (and if the quiz passed, I would believe him as town)

When I initially voted unwnd chainleader, I was under the impression that Raya was going to be pushing for beeboy - instead he instantly hammered unwnd in a post that came out in the same minute - now, to be fair, he also had some analysis to go with that, so it's like... I asked if there was no p.edit in pts but apparently there is.

Now, I could be wrong - between You, Spring, and Starbuck, I think Starbuck was behaving oddly in the pt - it's like she was pushing spring in advance, knowing that the quiz would fail - though why scum would do that IDK.

As for you not knowing that the person we were voting was bp: I assumed you knew it after the mod clarification - so you never saw that? What about the posts where I was arguing to give it to unwnd so he could give a result in case there was scum in the quiz group, and playing for the bad case scenario rather than the good case scenario?

Well I decided to reread you and Raya in Iso. I can see what you mean about Raya's vote on unwnd.
I thought Spring's reaction to unwnd being nommed read a little panicky. When someone said unwnd was a bit unpredictable I thought that would be something scum would panic about more.

I looked at the thread this morning when i woke up and got the PM from the mod about day. So I only caught onto the new chainleader being BP once elected this morning and it took a few extra minutes for my brain to catch up at 5 something in the morning.

[farside22]

I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

They are bp during the day.
I think scum gain kills with failed quiz.

@MOD could you clarify whether the chainleader is bulletproof during the day or the night please?

That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

We can still lynch scum, even if one has gotten the chain further up the chain, though

What we need to avoid is having scum as the person who chooses who dies, to be honest - as beeboy said at the start of the game

Now that I mention that, why did that plan fall apart yesterday? It was supposed to be beeboy at the 2nd to last position on the chain

OK, I get what you're saying. Are you assuming that scum passes to each other?

There is nothing that stops scum from passing it to there buddies. That was why when things started in the begining (before there was an order to who would give the chain to whom) I was curious why some people picked players they did. SL's pick, ABR's pick, Mid's pick......ect. I think it was once it got to BB that on order was put in place, but don't quote me when that started.

I don't see for example ABR complying with anyone about whom he should pick.

[farside22]

That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

Hmm, what? These two sentences aren't contradictory.

The BP serves as protection against potential maf kill.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- previous chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- the quiz team decides correctly

A potential vig is, as far as I can tell, obtained via quiz.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- the selecting chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- no tempering of the quiz via pr

What you are suggesting, if I understand correctly, is that NK/DK from mafia would be counterbalanced by vig.
BUT the conditions to obtain a vig are too hard to correctly accomplish against pre-existing NK/DK, so it does not balance out.

But if you consider that NK/DK are both obtained via the same mechanism for scum, or town, then it balances out perfectly.

I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

They are bp during the day.
I think scum gain kills with failed quiz.

@MOD could you clarify whether the chainleader is bulletproof during the day or the night please?

Lets got back to the orginal comment.
You stated you think scum only gain a kill if the it fails. First that is like a lot of inside info that no one in the right mind would ever think of. There are very few and far inbetween where scum does not have a kill.
Second why would the mod made a chain leader BP? You think they mod thinks the scum will always win in order to kill?
Please tell me how those thoughts make sense.

All I suggested about the vig was about why a player would need to be BP during the day. The only thing that makes sense is a day vig. If you have another reason why BP during the day makes sense, let me know.

[farside22]

Apologizes if this wasn't clear, but I want to clarify how the 'Chainelader being bulletproof works.'
When someone becomes chainleader they are bulletproof for the night they become it

not

the night after.

So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5

. Not Day 5 and night 5.

The mod already clarified the BP day and night ability here.

[farside22]

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Just wanted to go back to this for a moment.
Did you read my thought on how spring reacted in the quiz pt with the nom?

@raya and spring: what are your thoughts on scum in the quiz pt?

As for morning results i assume one of 3 things.

Scum no killed.
There is a protective role in the game.
The quiz failed so they knew who was going to be the leader and if it was misunderstood that leans to spring scum because why kill unwnd other then to give power back to scum.

[farside22]

The more you demand the chain, the less I want you to get the chain, out of principle

ABR is scum so giving it to him is a scum claim at this point.

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Just wanted to go back to this for a moment.
Did you read my thought on how spring reacted in the quiz pt with the nom?

Yeah... if we're thinking of the same posts in the pt, I read it. I'm not scumreading Spring for those posts

Ok I wanted to see someone elses thoughts about it. I tend to tunnel and I could tell SB was scum reading spring as well.

[farside22]

If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.


pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.

By the way I asked a question. Did you confirm if unwnd's ability would work with your NU?

[farside22]

If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.


pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.

By the way I asked a question. Did you confirm if unwnd's ability would work with your NU?

Sorry I missed the question.
Ya I confirmed it sometime yesterday when I was pressuring unwnd.

I was thinking you two could work unwnd and be in the quiz and he can target you, but you have to be sure whom else goes into the quiz.
I didn't think about the ramifications of failing n1 and having 5 players you may not want to pick from.
I would say leave out of the quiz group TSE, Mid, Abr and I would approve anyone else then.

[farside22]

just something to think about in regards to the quiz group:

unwnd, beeboy, PB and NDMath.

I know Spring said she was scum reading PB but I don't think I saw anyone else with a read on ND???

[farside22]

I don't see why we would assume that information is definitive when the reward for passing the quiz is so absurdly powerful (conf town + power role), it definitely feels like pass/fail takes priority over the information behind who is in the team from a game design point of view. Are you all just assuming MariaR, the list mod whose been dedicated to this game for years wouldn't realize the quiz creates conf town?

The thought process being it sure would be unreasonable if scum could tamper with this is incredibly wack to me. It makes perfect sense given town can tamper with scums ability to fail the quiz... :/

I edited my post to account for your criticism. I stand by everything in this post, the reward for passing the quiz is nuts, by passing the quiz a singular time we win the game.


conf town group of 5.
lynch + kill on conf town

quiz group of 4 (still conf town)
lynch + kill on conf town

quiz group of 3 (still conf town)


The game is just won on the back of a successful quiz group round 1 since we create conf towns and power roles all game? What part of this do you guys not see.

I don't get how you can look at this game and actually think its balanced if scum can't tamper with the teams.
The conf town team would decrease at the same rate scum can shoot into it.

Scum _can't_ win if they don't have the ability to tamper with the result.

But what if it was a group of all town and we kept giving the same town the quiz group powers?
How does scum interact with that? They literally can't and that's the point I am making.

If 1 scum is in the group and decide it's ok to create a single actual conf town each day, then that scum is misplaying and town will continue to put that scum in the group.


From a balance standpoint scum have to be able to interact with the quiz group.

Okay so this i get.
I can wrap my head around a continuous town circle jerk in the quiz.
Can this theory be tested? As i said put players out that are scum reads and see what happens.
Ugh i realize if something like that exists it could be a 1 shot or 2 shot ability.

My head hurts

[farside22]

I love how so many of you are resigned to my mislynch that no one is talking to me.

Sigh.

It's just the same 2 from day 1. You should just ignore them.

@Raya: What changed your view from calling the talks between SB/Spring TVT to now SB town and Spring as Null?
@PB: Did Spring ask you questions during the night phase? We asked Spring to get your views about stuff.

[farside22]

Random thought about Spring I had while writing that:

Does anyone think the interaction between SB and Spring could have been scum!Spring knowing that the quiz would fail and trying to stir up a mislynch? She was the one who made the quiz so shouldn't she feel somewhat ok about the players she chose being town? Seems odd that of all people she was the one who immediately started scumhunting within our 5. (Referring to the interaction with SB and also talking about her read on farside)

I felt that way, but I felt that way before game went to night.
It started here for me. It read like a set up from that point and I felt very wary of Spring after.

[farside22]

Random thought about Spring I had while writing that:

Does anyone think the interaction between SB and Spring could have been scum!Spring knowing that the quiz would fail and trying to stir up a mislynch? She was the one who made the quiz so shouldn't she feel somewhat ok about the players she chose being town? Seems odd that of all people she was the one who immediately started scumhunting within our 5. (Referring to the interaction with SB and also talking about her read on farside)

I felt that way, but I felt that way before game went to night.
It started here for me. It read like a set up from that point and I felt very wary of Spring after.

You were thinking that early then! Interesting how he says that SB is doing to him what we think he is doing to you and SB

It was why I was looking to someone else to see if anything going on with spring/SB made sense.

I have an idea

Let's decide on the quiz first

Then pass it to everybody but the 5 of us who were in the last guy, plus a sixth person who first passes it to one of us

Why?

@farside yes she did

Did she say who we were thinking of voting or just asked your views about who you were scum reading?

[farside22]

Why?

Because I believe there's scum in the group and that's where I want players to focus today, and I want people to take stances

alright I can see that and I can see the info aspect as well.

I like this quiz group suggestion; except I still don't think beeboy should be on the quiz due to their role

Playerlist:

1) Albert B. Rampage
10) TrueSoulEnergy
11) midwaybear

Pick your poison; one of these players for the quiz, or are we recycling from the failed quiz?

Bleck!!
No one in hell ABR. God if I had to really chose I would say TSE, but I would like to blow my brains out after.

@farside she asked me about my read on midwaybear and then asked me about unwnd but not explicitly stating that he was being voted

okay thanks!

[farside22]

Someone doesn't want to discuss anything other them them being safe or getting the chain.......i think it starts with a player named albert....last name scum

[farside22]

With the above in mind why don't we make the quiz the exact same 5 people? Then if the quiz passes we know everyone on it is town. If it fails again then we know it's extremely unlikely that the problem was scum tampering and we actually do have scum in the quiz. Making a whole new quiz team likely lands scum in the quiz anyway. I think this is the best strategy from a solving standpoint

With the above in mind why don't we make the quiz the exact same 5 people? Then if the quiz passes we know everyone on it is town. If it fails again then we know it's extremely unlikely that the problem was scum tampering and we actually do have scum in the quiz. Making a whole new quiz team likely lands scum in the quiz anyway. I think this is the best strategy from a solving standpoint

Technically, we can't. Unwnd already said it's 4 people.

I don't want to see spring back on a quiz, especially with that vote for beeboy and whole thing surrounding that if beeboy died, then spring would get it back.

Ok then to compromise on the plan why don't we make it me, you, Dunn, farside? Then we'll know for sure if one of us is scum. Because I doubt the quiz will be tampered with twice. It would have to be a 1 shot to be fair

With the above in mind why don't we make the quiz the exact same 5 people? Then if the quiz passes we know everyone on it is town. If it fails again then we know it's extremely unlikely that the problem was scum tampering and we actually do have scum in the quiz. Making a whole new quiz team likely lands scum in the quiz anyway. I think this is the best strategy from a solving standpoint

I want to run the group back for what I've been preaching but no one in this game wants to listen to me about how scum need to be able to tamper with the groups for the game to be balanced

Okay so this is a lot of WIFOM. We could keep discussing this but we are going to keep circling around and around and around. Until we lynch scum we don't know what abilities are had. I get BB's logic, as soon as he said it I could see a mod wanting to make sure there was something to balance constant town in the quiz and add some distention in the group.
This goes back to a simple thing.
Do you scum read any players in the quiz?

argh, I can see both sides here.
I feel like scum gambited, but then again unwnd was an obvious nk choice...

Spring didn't think so.

imagine thinking that the quiz team consisted of the top 4 townreads...

This wouldn't be a bad idea.

[farside22]

I think we should talk about whom we would like to see as the bottom 2.
I say abr (who is being replaced apparently) and mid or spring

[farside22]

I just think talking about the botto. 2 helps before we pass the chain.
Who are your scum reads raya?

[farside22]

I think we should talk about whom we would like to see as the bottom 2.
I say abr (who is being replaced apparently) and mid or spring

You think I'm scum?

I still think there was scum in the quiz. I understand where BB is coming from but I still felt a few things were off.
For example your question to SB about why it would be entertaining if she was the chain leader was silly. Acting that when i responded to what I felt was a very silly and obvious question was wking.
I just read your post with this big fat question mark that keeps bugging me.
Raya is the other one in the quiz that bugs me. But I keep having that wifom moment where if scum was in the QT wouldn't they set up knowing the quiz was going to fail and start something today once it did.
The way ABR is I can't see SB as scum with him. And no matter what I read from ABR all I see is following of others and pouting. Neither look town or read town coming from him.

[farside22]

And you were talking about using ad hominem? How rude.

That said lets not have this start.

[farside22]

I think we should talk about whom we would like to see as the bottom 2.
I say abr (who is being replaced apparently) and mid or spring

You think I'm scum?

I still think there was scum in the quiz. I understand where BB is coming from but I still felt a few things were off.
For example your question to SB about why it would be entertaining if she was the chain leader was silly. Acting that when i responded to what I felt was a very silly and obvious question was wking.
I just read your post with this big fat question mark that keeps bugging me.
Raya is the other one in the quiz that bugs me. But I keep having that wifom moment where if scum was in the QT wouldn't they set up knowing the quiz was going to fail and start something today once it did.
The way ABR is I can't see SB as scum with him. And no matter what I read from ABR all I see is following of others and pouting. Neither look town or read town coming from him.

There is zero humor in her being chainleader because the only people scumreading her were ABR and TSE last day. Unless she thinks both of them are scums, which she never stated, it doesn't even make sense.
My question wasn't silly at all.

Plus she has been weird:
- her case on why I'm scum because I didn't hammer my team is bad
- her ad hominem was bad
- her general statement "i guarantee they'll come for me" is bad

> The best that can be said is it looks like tunneling and paranoid town.
Your "siding" and choosing to read me as scum for this is bad.

*puts on mom look*

Look kids everyone has there own views. Not everyone is going to like what is going to be said and people see things differently. .
Doesn't make a person wrong or right. Just means things can be perceived differently.
It is best to communicate and if someone can't talk to you just walk away.

*puts mafiascum hat back on*

Do you feel strongly SB is scum?
This is simple yes or no.

[farside22]

I already said that Starbuck reads as tunneling and paranoid.

BUT, if Pink Ball is on the scum team, she is scum. Because PB has demonstrated that he uses ad hom as a manipulative technique.

That doesn't really answer the question as I have seen scum look paranoid and tunnel. I've seen town do the same.
I'm not even sure if I would call if manipulative since most players ignored it.

Look kids everyone has there own views. Not everyone is going to like what is going to be said and people see things differently. .
Doesn't make a person wrong or right. Just means things can be perceived differently.
It is best to communicate and if someone can't talk to you just walk away.

Btw, I'm evaluating you in the process here. Because I want to make sure that on my flip, there is the maximum of information possible.

Oh I will be dead way before that info becomes relevant. Besides I would say that most find mid and Abr scummy.
I just keep poking at you to see if I can change my views about your alignment and take my negative thoughts out. You make it very difficult to do so.

[farside22]

Please elaborate on your negative thoughts.
I don't know why you keep using the line "most people find X" like it is a relevant argument.

Do you think all people finding Abr and mid scummy are town

?

You seem to over emphasis things and hold onto things that escalate. Like a small thing because this towering inferno of crazy.
You become this auto repeat about Ad hom, saying I'm siding with SB. Things like that are just weird.
I state what I see. You take it as "siding with" putting yourself as an ad hom.
A player says boo and you would be accusing them of being a ghost instead of joking around. Everything is bigger then it really is and I find many things you say a bit of a reach to find something scummy.
I mean look at your question in bold.
I didn't say that. I was commenting about your comment about your flip, like barely anyone has said you are scum spring! So I was replaying to your view of flipping being relevant.
I don't think you are paying attention to your own words.
All those things is in my view adding up as a negative.

[farside22]

I have a co-worker who has that comic on his computer.
Very funny.

what happened in the PT? Can someone give an unfiltered unbiased summary?
I've heard stuff about Raya hammering unwnd, and now stuff about spring.

Long story, short.
Discussed options for chain leader other then BB. Lots of words between spring/SB. I add my flippant remarked. I was asked why I voted unwnd by Spring who seemed bent on making me switch.
Raya looked like she wanted to voted Beeboy, but hammer voted unwnd instead. Dunn asked a few follow up questions but I don't know if he got anything from the discussion.

The end.

[farside22]

even saying that you're a manipulative scum player and that your USER NAME is even manipulative because she thinks you chose your user name to influence the games you are in.

is this legit?!

This framing is scummy.

I said that I thought PB was a manipulative player, to which farside agreed.
I said that I even thought PB's potentially choose an username to influence reads outcome.

I asked PB about it.
PB can confirm or deny.

I think all players can be manipulative. But I only agreed with 1 point you made against PB. I thought the rest was a stretch.

VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

Good Ones
Raya36
unwnd
beeboy
springlullaby
TrueSoulEnergy

Meh Ones
Dunnstral
Starbuck
Pink Ball
farside22
NDmath
midwaybear

Scum Ones
Albert B. Rampage - (Clears Farside and Starbucks)

Why are you adding Raya/Spring as good and Dunn/me/SB as meh?
Can you expand on this?

[farside22]

Can I just say no to the quiz with TSE. I don't see town in him at all. He hasn't explained very much about his reads and when he does it's vague.

[farside22]

Can I just say no to the quiz with TSE. I don't see town in him at all. He hasn't explained very much about his reads and when he does it's vague.

Why do you have to ask if you can say no?
You say yes or no, it's your choice.

Because originally I was given a choice of 3 players that I am scum reading and asked which one i would rather see in the quiz.
non of the above was not an option.

Plus oh player who does not understand, I hope my saying that a few others with voice a no with other options and it's not just me.

[farside22]

I wouldn't call trolling with shit reads and no reasoning other then to be as ass to people as vulnerable.
But i asked, so i could see if it made sense to me.
If this is normal tse play style I will just make sure to put him on a list of players i never want to play with again.

[farside22]

I wouldn't call trolling with shit reads and no reasoning other then to be as ass to people as vulnerable.

Feels like an incredibly shitty way to win a game.

Titus replaces ABR give her a warm welcome!

Hey Titus long time o/

Seen scum do it before.

Hey titus.

[farside22]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

[farside22]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

[farside22]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

If I have a funeral, it's because I subbed into an anti-town slot and lack an obvtown gene.

Pretty much.
Went from calling springs quiz list scummy and ranting. Giving mid a chain without a reason. Following reads from anyone and everyone without a reason.
Doesn't get pissy with mid for talking about giving the chain to one of his scum read. Conviently scum reads bottom 2 plays with no reasons.

[farside22]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

If I have a funeral, it's because I subbed into an anti-town slot and lack an obvtown gene.

Pretty much.
Went from calling springs quiz list scummy and ranting. Giving mid a chain without a reason. Following reads from anyone and everyone without a reason.
Doesn't get pissy with mid for talking about giving the chain to one of his scum read. Conviently scum reads bottom 2 plays with no reasons.

Let me guess, mid was doing what he wanted. Springs list defended vocal people ABR wanted dead.

ABR is about what's easy, not what is right.

I have started my list backwards of his (assuming your list is accurate).

Mid picked dunn i think. Mid was accused going with the concesses by picking sb, so he switched it to someone else.
Spring listed me, sb, spring, dunn and raya. Abr denied it saying he didn't want that list because if anyone was scum reading players on the list they should deny it. The biggest scum read he had on the list was Sb followed by unwnd.

[farside22]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

Please elaborate on both scenarios.

You can ask his how he explains sb/far interactions day 1.
Better questions are why he has those scum reads.
Id ask but he constantly ignores the question or doesn't have an answer for why.

I still scum read spring in all the back and forth.
I feel there was scum in the quiz pt.
Sometimes raya pings my radar.

[farside22]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

Please elaborate on both scenarios.

You can ask his how he explains sb/far interactions day 1.
Better questions are why he has those scum reads.
Id ask but he constantly ignores the question or doesn't have an answer for why.

I

still scum read spring in all the back and forth.

I

feel there was scum in the quiz pt.
Sometimes raya pings my rada

r.

Help Starbuck Mislynch Spring
State the obvious first to try and not use it as an excuse because your the scum on the quiz.
And if all goes wrong try to make it look like Raya is your partner and not Dunn.

[farside22]

I haven't been trash-talking, though. I've brought up legit reasons why spring's tunneling on insignificant details makes no sense and she defends herself saying that I'm using ad hom against her instead of having a conversation. Have I gotten catty, sure? But not at the level that she keeps screaming about toxicity.

Your setting up mislynches left and right.
First Cake.
Then ABR
Then Spring
Then maybe me?

Not much more left for scum to get a win eh?

I'm not setting up any mislynches. My squabble with SirCakez isn't what made him die. It takes a whole village to lynch somebody and not just me who like 1/2 the player list is seemingly reading as scum even before SirCakez died. So this is a big stretch dude.

If Starbuck is town and TSE scum, then Cake and Spring are probably town.

TSE, where is the wheel?

TSE/Raya/Mid???

just thinking out loud seeing if it makes sense. I still can't get over abr's behavior this game. And spring is just adding one thing to another of what is scummy........

[farside22]

A thing to note.
Farside and Starbuck refuse to interact with each other in an actual interaction.

I mean he calls this a scum tell and I don't see him interacting with much of anyone. He interacted with Abr, BB, unwnd me, SB, mid.......so his lack of interaction is a big group of players.

[farside22]

Chain Order 2.0

unwnd

(1)

- unwnd >

Chainless:

(11)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear, beeboy

Quiz Team 2.0

Purposed Team

(4)

-

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Approve

(1)

- TrueSoulEnergy

Decline

(1)

- beeboy

Not voting:

(10)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear, springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-18 00:17:43)[/align]

Decline quiz

I'd rather not have TSE in there. I would rather lynch him.

To speed up the quiz we should all decline this for having a literal lurker in it =)

[farside22]

Decline quiz

I'd rather not have TSE in there. I would rather lynch him.

sigh

[farside22]

Then do that if you'd like.
More my point was we should focus on the game objective at hand rather then us bickering over reads.

pedit: I said that and so did unwnd. It's ok quizlord is on the same page as us so it isn't a big deal.

Last time the chain was handed out without many thoughts you had Cakez and unwnd as the bottom 2. You really think continuing the same random chain give up will result in something better?

[farside22]

If the result is WIFOM then to what end do the quiz people nominated matter?

That's why I stated a long time ago to give it to town reads that most players have.

Chain Order 2.0

unwnd

(1)

- unwnd >

Chainless:

(11)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear, beeboy

Quiz Team 2.0

Purposed Team

(4)

-

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Approve

(1)

- TrueSoulEnergy

Decline

(1)

- beeboy

Not voting:

(10)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear, springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-18 00:17:43)[/align]

Decline quiz

I'd rather not have TSE in there. I would rather lynch him.

To speed up the quiz we should all decline this for having a literal lurker in it =)

Decline quiz

I'd rather not have TSE in there. I would rather lynch him.

sigh

That actually against the rules to fake it like that.
(Maybe not but in some forums it is, maybe not this one)

But Beeboy never said that part.
Beeboy Town reads me
Then you are trying so desperately to mislynch me because I found your entire scum team.

Clearly that wasn't my intnetion or I wouldn't have reposted. I post from my phone a lot and I don't alway look at where my text is being put into.

[farside22]

Lets see that leaves PB, ND, SB, Titus, dunn, spring, mid and TSE.
There are a few players who's reads I'm not sure of where they stand.

Raya: I thought you had a town read on TSE?
Also it would be nice to hear more from ND in this game and where he stands.

[farside22]

I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.

Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.

VOTE: Starbuck

[farside22]

He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.

ngl I don't think he is scum still... which probably says a lot about my willingness to town read people.
Idk he is just vibing and making enemies, hard pushing people at random the way scum just don't want to play lol.

I see that as no town motive.
He scum read unwnd and that disappears out of the blue?
He holds a scum read with no visible reason on players.
I dont see anything more the trying to get by. I mean he claimed to be a great scum hunter and i dont see it.
Why no pivot after unwnd?
I think your read on him is bad. He looks like he gets to float by while you accept that.

**Game reference Titus v Alisae

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said. If i wanted a bottom 3 I'd like tse, mid, spring currently.

[farside22]

Well tse seems a little too confident in that mid town read. Maybe picketing mid if tse is scum

[farside22]

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said.

I have no doubt. Why don't you take a look at him again, supposing ABR subbed out because he didn't get what he wanted? His town and scumreads are based off manipulation.

He threatened me once when I was cleared by conftown because I suspected him. He picked a fight with obvtown because he could. His scumreads changed to who was most vulnerable and who stood up to him. I can get you the link if you'd like.

I'm very much a champion for the underdogs, so ABR and I buttheads so much and so hard we don't play together. He makes games toxic as his way of avoiding being lynched.

Ive played with him recently. He was more quiet in guns and roses and he fought with dc, but eventually he calmed down after some toxic moments there.
I wish i could explain better the things i saw.
I noticed he followed other players reads and then acted like he caught confirmed scum with unwnd. Abr most definitely didn't appreciate a comment i made in this game, but that was late day 1.......im going check something

[farside22]

Midway and raya are my new scumreads

Okay so this was the last scum read abr stated. He also had a scum read on me, star and unwnd. (Star/unwnd scum reads were from the start) he complained about giving the chain leader to unwnd as he was sure unwnd was scum.
Tse scum read from unwnd seems to have disappeared relatively quickly considering how much abr and him were practically high fiving each other over that read.
Hmmmmmm

Just going to think for a bit.

[farside22]

Same question for farside. Was he town that game?

Yes he was.

I'm really torn on you TSE. I get the feeling that you're town with really bad reads but I can't possibly see how you read midway so strongly as town from a town perspective

My reads aren’t bad.
Their accurate.

Also you wonder why?
Because I’m not one of those stupid Town that fuckin push mislynches blindly.

Gee i winder why i scum read you.
Maybe i don't think your stupid.
Wow novel concept!

[farside22]

He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.

ngl I don't think he is scum still... which probably says a lot about my willingness to town read people.
Idk he is just vibing and making enemies, hard pushing people at random the way scum just don't want to play lol.

I see that as no town motive.
He scum read unwnd and that

disappears out of the blue?

He holds a scum read with no visible reason on players.
I dont see anything more the trying to get by. I mean he claimed to be a great scum hunter and i dont see it.
Why no pivot after unwnd?
I think your read on him is bad. He looks like he gets to float by while you accept that.

**Game reference Titus v Alisae

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said. If i wanted a bottom 3 I'd like tse, mid, spring currently.

It didn’t disappear out of the blue.
Stop fuckin shading.
Based off of the events at EoD to SoD they are more likely Town then scum.
I also feel like your plan was to attack Unwnd to throw blame on me which would have been funny because I’d never kill a scum read as my first Night Kill as scum.
You think your smart but face it.

YOUR NOT

I am a great scum hunter. I found you.
Your just trying to get people to doubt their Town read on me because you really wanna mislynch me lol.
You try so desperately and we no let you win big bad scum.
I hear Math has doubts on his read on me.
Maybe start there Farside.

I didn't attack unwnd.
I voted unwnd to be the leader and stated in the quiz pt a town read on him.
Like nothing you stated actually happened.

[farside22]

Well tse seems a little too confident in that mid town read. Maybe picketing mid if tse is scum

Lol your trying so hard to mislynch me it’s so obvious to me NGL.
Just wait till it’s obvious to others, then your buddy Starbuck will be spewed scum as well.

You can keep trying to do your toxic scum game, but i already told you day 1 i wont participate in it.
You are more then welcome to keep making statements that are not true.

[farside22]

He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.

ngl I don't think he is scum still... which probably says a lot about my willingness to town read people.
Idk he is just vibing and making enemies, hard pushing people at random the way scum just don't want to play lol.

I see that as no town motive.
He scum read unwnd and that

disappears out of the blue?

He holds a scum read with no visible reason on players.
I dont see anything more the trying to get by. I mean he claimed to be a great scum hunter and i dont see it.
Why no pivot after unwnd?
I think your read on him is bad. He looks like he gets to float by while you accept that.

**Game reference Titus v Alisae

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said. If i wanted a bottom 3 I'd like tse, mid, spring currently.

It didn’t disappear out of the blue.
Stop fuckin shading.
Based off of the events at EoD to SoD they are more likely Town then scum.
I also feel like your plan was to attack Unwnd to throw blame on me which would have been funny because I’d never kill a scum read as my first Night Kill as scum.
You think your smart but face it.

YOUR NOT

I am a great scum hunter. I found you.
Your just trying to get people to doubt their Town read on me because you really wanna mislynch me lol.
You try so desperately and we no let you win big bad scum.
I hear Math has doubts on his read on me.
Maybe start there Farside.

I didn't attack unwnd.
I voted unwnd to be the leader and stated in the quiz pt a town read on him.
Like nothing you stated actually happened.

Oh wait the last person with the chain doesn’t get chain leader?
The quiz team does?

Someone named TSE apparently didn't read the game rules.

[farside22]

Well tse seems a little too confident in that mid town read. Maybe picketing mid if tse is scum

Lol your trying so hard to mislynch me it’s so obvious to me NGL.
Just wait till it’s obvious to others, then your buddy Starbuck will be spewed scum as well.

You can keep trying to do your toxic scum game, but i already told you day 1 i wont participate in it.
You are more then welcome to keep making statements that are not true.

Not trying to be toxic I’m just really annoyed at your scum play here.

Bahahahahahaha.
God that's funny. I was thinking that since day 1 about you.
*wipes away tear*

[farside22]

I see that as no town motive.
He scum read unwnd and that disappears out of the blue?
He holds a scum read with no visible reason on players.
I dont see anything more the trying to get by. I mean he claimed to be a great scum hunter and i dont see it.
Why no pivot after unwnd?
I think your read on him is bad. He looks like he gets to float by while you accept that.

Honestly I find people always say that scum are the ones that commit to tunnels like that but I find that is almost never the case it's usually a town thing and it's more bad play then it is scum play. I don't really want to defend whether or not TSE is playing well because that's his job not mine. And that's what a lot of arguments against TSE feel like "why isn't he just playing better" kind of stuff. I am willing to reevaluate if I ever feel like he is just hiding behind his reads to not play the game.

But for whatever it's worth he is just sitting in the thread and fighting against you and spamming midway is town constantly. Maybe because that's what he believe is the best way to get people to care about his reads? TSE was the only one pushing unwnd with reason and despite that he still was F2 which makes me think he was killed due to scum compliance rather then him being scum pushing it himself which is another reason why I was pushing ABR/Titus. He could just be floating by doing shitty pushes while I just ignore it, that's definitely a possibility. I find scum tend to start tunneling mid d2 / late d3 rather then early game which is when he is doing it.

Silly question, since I didn't look, but did you look to see when the mod talked about at what point the chainleader becomes BP?
Do you think that comment was put in thread because someone asked? Because I sure do.
And if it was put in thread at some point during the night phase (which I don't know what time at during night it was) but don't you think someone would look at new post from the mod as scum?

Why is everybody just ignoring how SCUMMY ABR was?
What has Titus done to make you all reconsider?
pedit: how coincidental. most of what I remember from your posts here is you explaining why ABR is bad

Did you have a scum read on ABR at some point i missed? If so can you link me to it.
If not, why are you asking players about the read and how do you feel about Titus?

[farside22]

Like, I haven't coasted at all, said I was going to lay back for a while and you keep saying "this guy is coasting". When did you change your mind about the unwnd's reaction test? How did that got to be a "good one Pink Ball" to "seemed fake as shit"? Fuck off with the paranoia and let me be for a little

I played along with the reaction test because it's fun, I am one who let's people try out their plans because why wouldn't I. I wanted to see how people reacted to that claim and what people would do with it and oh look unwnd got probably got shot over something I thought was kind of stupid at the time so clearly I am right to just let things slide.

Out of the 7 players without the chain I only particularly care about Spring and TSE receiving it.
My specific death order is NDMath -> ABR/Titus -> Midway but I'll be real I only feel strongly about my town reads which is why I am widening my pressure.

You're complaining about the game state but are also complaining that I am drawing attention to the rest of the players so it isn't just the same 1v1s constantly?

Take as long as you want, just don't give me shit for how I am playing this game because everything I am doing is absurdly reasonable.

I keep wondering why you town read spring and TSE and push against the 2 players I have the strongest scum read on.
You talk about truth and reading honestly. You have changed your reads on a few people and have a lot of nulls.
I thought you were town read lock but now I feel like I can't trust you.

[farside22]

Well mid makes me feel better that I'm way to paranoid for this game and would say Spring/Mid as the bottom 2.
I half wondered if I was losing it, but glad to know I wasn't wrong about most players now.

[farside22]

I think that a controversial quiz party is something interesting we could discuss right now before casting our votes.

In one hand, I'd like more approval for the quiz party we are choosing rather than a 50+1%, that's not very good, there should be a party we could all agree more. Also, I think town would be more open on denying a quiz party than scum; in this scenario, no matter if the quiz party is composed by town or not, I think town is rejecting it.

In the other hand, if the proposed quiz party is entirely town, at least one scum is declining it. In that case, I'd love to see if this quiz party passes the quiz, 'cause then we would have a PoE in the people who rejected it. And if the quiz fails, then we have a PoE on the people inside the quiz. It's like... a win win.

I think the latter is solid, but I haven't thought in a better party to propose so I'm not entirely convinced.

It would be nice to see why people are denying or accepting the quiz.

I didn't get to my writeup yet (I was tired from work) but

>farside22>Starbuck>Raya36>

Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

This is just uncanny.

Just going to say it again. Day 1 we were asked to pass in that order....do i need to quote the request or are you just going to keep ignoring me saying that?
As for today, there is no doubt im town reading sb. Im not going to give the chain to someone i dont trust.

[farside22]

Spring is the hammer on her own team, it's 7 to hammer.
The team basically passed.


@NDMath pass it to farside/starbuck who can pass it to the other. We can't lynch them today.

@Starbuck.
Raya is in the quiz group and can't be lynched, please pass her the chain.

@Raya I still highly advice you give the chain to TSE.
ala plan 897

I didn't get to my writeup yet (I was tired from work) but

>farside22>Starbuck>Raya36>

Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

This is just uncanny.

This was after the quiz team was approved and who needed to have a chain.

[farside22]

What were you reasons on day 2?

Town read on SB.

VOTE: Farside
Top town read besides PB who I think will have a better chance of getting the chain than farside. Also mine and Farside's reads align better.

Ngl I can't understand the Dunnstral chain toss yesterday to this day from Midway which is why I am reluctant to call him town still.
But I don't actually have an issue with any of his day 2 play.

Does anyone pushing on him right now have thoughts on this?

I'm just going to assume anyone who gets a strong scum read will be town in your world and ignore you for the remainder of the game.

[farside22]

Lets just decide the team after we pass the chain. I’m not entirely comfortable with far side and raya.

Why wouldn't you want them to expose themselves as scum though?

Only way we can expose scum is specifically by running back the old group.
Which I guess is farside and raya assuming unwnd and the 4th are town?

I thought you believed scum had something to mess with the quiz?