Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[shos]

lol can we even vote before game has been started? XD

what is this Holder thingie? O_o

[shos]

screw this, VOTE: Vote Quilford [/b] bandwagoning already

[shos]

I want this game to begin

VOTE: springlulbaby

lol

[shos]

VOTE: Furcolow

Oui?

[shos]

have you just voted me while saying I'm not stupid when furcolow said you're an idiot and you said you like him?!?! contradictions?!?!?! SCUMMERRRRR

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Uberninja

[shos]

OMGOMG DON'T LYNCH ME ME IS INNOCENT

Unvote uberninja
Vote: Parama

[shos]

what the hell is going on? how comes I'm with 4 votes already in RVS?

[shos]

well dunno usually wagons this big don't build during RVS~

[shos]

well it was, then people started voting me one after the other..

[shos]

you ALL are idiots

VOTE: Furcolow

Oui?

Vote: shos

... I'm not stupid!

you ALL are idiots

I think I'm gonna like this guy... ;D

have you just voted me while saying I'm not stupid when furcolow said you're an idiot and you said you like him?!?! contradictions?!?!?! SCUMMERRRRR

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Uberninja

Yeah but he does it with style and you are doing it with an image somebody else created.
You are disingenuous in your attacks and you are OMGUS voting me at this very second.

Moar votes on

shos

please. We've caught a live one folks.

unvote, vote: shos

OMGOMG DON'T LYNCH ME ME IS INNOCENT

Unvote uberninja
Vote: Parama

unvote;
vote: shos

flailing

vote: shos

that was easy.

what the hell is going on? how comes I'm with 4 votes already in RVS?

yeah uh, are they not?

[shos]

none of them seem to have a reason behind them.

[shos]

@Vi:

Uberninja, why do you think that post is scummy? O_o I'd think that some of those wagoners are scum, definitely, but why specifically him? O_o

pedit: why do you think that I'm scum for *that* post? I mean, before it was game scene it was 'holder' and linked to oo.com...I'm not experienced in MS, how am I supposed to know what that means ><

Vi, do *you* think I'm scum for my posts so far? sounds like you do.

[shos]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

eh, ninja'd by three posts:
@uber:
firstly, I didn't see it was broken till next time I got to the page; if I'm not online with others like now, I just submit and ctrl w, I don't look at the post I made.
secondly, I suppose that even if I did see it I wouldn't care enough to fix it, since it was a random vote, not to be taken seriously.
third - are you seriously asking this?

[shos]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

Actually my vote on you is quite serious. Why shouldn't you be lynched?

cuz I'm a town member?

[shos]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

eh, ninja'd by three posts:
@uber:
firstly, I didn't see it was broken till next time I got to the page; if I'm not online with others like now, I just submit and ctrl w, I don't look at the post I made.
secondly, I suppose that even if I did see it I wouldn't care enough to fix it, since it was a random vote, not to be taken seriously.
third - are you seriously asking this?

Yes, I am seriously asking it.

I voted mod because I thought it was funny. seriously.

[shos]

Am I the only noob here playing with tons of superuber experienced people. cuz I'm confused, lol

[shos]

Parama remind me again why would you think I am scum.?

[shos]

I don't have any specific scum reads yet. however, my top suspects are the ones who pushed a quicklynch on me for no reason. you seem like a normal guy out of the blue lol, what is your dilemma?

[shos]

what is this pic? you said that flavor can help us, right?

[shos]

ah, what happened. I was talking about the pic on starting scene - something with crime_1? but it gives me a wrong picture I think? of a note with hebrew letters O_o

[shos]

This game's pace and speed in which votes are thrown is incredible. gonna reread and comment lol

[shos]

unvote, vote: shos

Bandwagoning much?

unvote;
vote: shos

flailing

same.

vote: shos

that was easy.

same.

what the hell is going on? how comes I'm with 4 votes already in RVS?

so cute.

Oh, like this?

Unvote: kanyeknowsbest
Vote: shos

(L-2)

same.(not cute, BW lol)

that hop in 39 followed by "This is beautiful" was scummy as fuck.

starting to think scum of parama even more tahn the other wagoners.

For clarity:

Be it known that I am of the opinion that shos will flip scum (mostly because of this post right here).

But I

still

don't want a lynch anywhere near this early, as it'll

really

throw off our groove if he *does* flip town.

scummy.

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

Actually my vote on you is quite serious. Why shouldn't you be lynched?

cuz I'm a town member?

oh ok

shut up clive

tell the tiger to get back on the wagon

...
-BETTER IDEA-

Unvote: shos
Vote: Parama

(L-4)

seems like jumping on a wagon as well.

I like this.

Vote: Parama

moar BW.

unvote, vote: Parama

Really don't see why he's scummy but I'mma bandwagon anyways.

????

*sigh*
So you're basically a douchebag, alright.

unvote, vote: shos

back to voting scum then

looks like an attempt to get a counterwagon again.

vote parama

why didnt you respond to my pretend bus?

followup question how relieved were you that fate dropped out of the game and couldnt peg you as scum on d1? (too bad you got caught anyways)

bwing with a reason? scummy. maybe they're really bussing lol

i dislike the way uberninja is trying to get the wagon off of shos, but is setting up for an easy excuse to jump on with his "he's probably scum but I don't want to lynch him yet"

This, basically. I was holding off on my reasoning but meh.

I like this. in fact,

Unvote, Vote Uberninja

00berninja reads as noobtown trying too hard, not particularly scummy. shos, on the other hand, is flailing scum.

stil trying to get me lynched. possible parama partner.

So you wouldn't be opposed to a Parama lynch, but don't want it NOW, and also believe both Yos and I are scum for as a result of our votes on Parama?

unvote, vote Quilford

Fuck page 5. Page 6 is where the lynch is at. Cut Parama loose, I caught real scum. You see this shit all the time now; scum don't know whether to commit to a defense of a townie or take the juicy hammer thrust in front of their faces. Instead, they waffle their reads on the wagon'd player ("he's probably scum... but I want more information first") player and try to shift suspicion onto the tail-end voters.

makes sense, but I doubt it's a scumtell so much for a vote.

i like it

unvote vote quillford

once again wagoning.


Meh, in all this you guys act like I dunno what, so much wagoning so quickly, I'm not used to it. but screw this, I voted now didn't I? anyway, so the people I'm watching will be Uberninja, Parama, and kanye. let's see what happens!

[shos]

hey wait a moment I was voting Uberninja since post 140

[Fixed - spring]

[shos]

I want some more posts from Diddin.

[shos]

I'm actually also for a parama wagon, but at the moment a nnja wagon s more likely. these are the highest two on the list, followed by Kanya

[shos]

Vi, why did you wait until 52 to vote shos? Why not vote in 48?

I think Vi is scum. She has done nothing but push easy lynches on Shos and Parama, who, despite her claims, is not obvscum.

Are you so retarded to miss that I was using the shos wagon for pressure?
All of my posts had pretty strong undertones that I was trying to get a rise out of him.

^^ is right, even I figured that lol.

why am I flailing in everybody's eyes?!
or maybe..

[shos]

Unvote;
Vote: diddin

in your only 3 posts with content you managed to bandwagon me with no reason; then tried to invent reasons to that vote; then refused to be active; and then called me opportunistic? did you see WHEN I cast my vote?

[shos]

imo Quilford's post seems legit, I don't see any reason to vote him

@diddin, from the start of the game you keep pushing me for no visible reason - you're not contributing to town, just pushing a ML.

[shos]

@mod: charter is voting for me, and not Parama, because he is Bad at Townie

Someone who is Good at Townie: shos

what does that mean? O_o

[shos]

I'll throw my hat onto it or hammer given HALF an opportunity.

That's scummy. do not hammer without asking for a claim just for your policy, I don't want to suffer from your earlier games together.!

And Shos is the guy FoSing anyone "bandwagoning." I'll turbolynch that crap off the site too.

Every game is a step closer to a brighter, better MS meta.

is this intention to lynch me because I'm FoSing people for BWing? or you're trying to lynch the BWers as well? I don't understand~

[shos]

whatever I think is scummy, I mention, Zar. so you can go over my posts and see about specifics; so far there haven't been incredible scumslips in my opinion, but only slightly scummy things. Diddin and Uber and Parama are my top three so far. I think the case on quilford isn't quite legit, but I want to see more about how people play here so I'm kinda avoiding stating my thoughts about that.

also, you can see my last post right on top of you for example - what's OMGUSy in my play? O_o

[shos]

it is called RVS. I'll spell it for ya. ARRRR VEEEE ASSS. (lol)

If you really believe that was already out of RVS, I have nothing to say for that~

[shos]

VOTE: UberNinja

Ninjas can obviously murder without being detected.

you ALL are idiots

says furcolow

VOTE: Furcolow

Oui?

Vote: shos

... I'm not stupid!

you ALL are idiots

I think I'm gonna like this guy... ;D

Interesting theme

VOTE: nowen

have you just voted me while saying I'm not stupid when furcolow said you're an idiot and you said you like him?!?! contradictions?!?!?! SCUMMERRRRR

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Uberninja

Yeah but he does it with style and you are doing it with an image somebody else created.
You are disingenuous in your attacks and you are OMGUS voting me at this very second.

Moar votes on

shos

please. We've caught a live one folks.

unvote, vote: shos

[/quote]
read them one after the other, do you really think these are legit voting reasons which are out of RVS?

voting cuz Ninjas are dangerous!
voting cuz he called me stupid!
voting cuz I'm not stupid!
voting cuz the theme is interesting!
voting cuz you like someone who called you idiot!
ah and there's your vote, voting because they told me to!

ahh right..obviously we're not in RVS..

[shos]

those that have either attacked you or voted you.

That's like 8-9 players I think... >_>

tell me then

at exactly which post did RVS end?

I'd answer this like Zar did, but for a change I'll invest some more time in nonsense. let's see. *reads*

In my opinion, the RVS era sort of stopped at post 60.

[shos]

how exactly did I imply that?
you quote a pack of my first few posts; I called them part of the RVS area. these votes were thrown to the air before anything even started happening, and you called them after-RVS posts. How does that imply what you said?

[shos]

shos/Parama

you've got to be kidding

lol, I laughed at that too.

Uber, what part of my message said that I think parama is more likely to yield scum?

I'll give you a hint: there is no spoon.

*cough*misrep*cough*
~~
my gut, and a few other stuff I probably already meantioned, think:

scummiest players so far:
Uber
Parama
Kanye
diddin

towniest players so far:
Zar
Yos
Vi
Charter

a

[shos]

and the others are somewhere in the middle*

[shos]

Day 1 votecount 4

shos (4):

diddin, Parama, Furcolow, UberNinja
With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

May i be reninded of why i am being voted again?

[shos]

shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount

What was scummy there? Iirc I just asked wtf.
Uber and parama have already supplied their reasons for votirng me-parama thinks the whole saga was already out of RVS and uber either misread or misrepped me. But you and diddin im still waiting to hear from. Diddin just seems to be lurking behind his rvs vote and you-well answer the question above


Shitty Iphone posticng

[shos]

I'm not sure what your point is. firstly, in post 224 I had only three votes; I did not *wait* to write that post, I just saw the votecount and didn't bother to go back and search for your reasons to vote me. hence the word 'remind'. Diddin never supplied a reason - I asked him more than once, he just seems to ignore it(btw, if you think that I'm skimming the game and therefore scum, why are you not calling diddin for his lack of EVERYTHING in this game?); Uberninja gave a bad reason which I posted about already, still waiting for his answer; Parama said his reasons and I responded, it's a dead end discussion so there's nothing much to do about it.

Going back to see it, you voted me for

Unvote;
Vote: diddin

in your only 3 posts with content you managed to bandwagon me with no reason; then tried to invent reasons to that vote; then refused to be active; and then called me opportunistic? did you see WHEN I cast my vote?

this post is terrible

unvote;
vote: shos

soo...what is so terrible in that post?

[shos]

shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount

What was scummy there? Iirc I just asked wtf.
Uber and parama have already supplied their reasons for votirng me-parama thinks the whole saga was already out of RVS and uber either misread or misrepped me. But you and diddin im still waiting to hear from. Diddin just seems to be lurking behind his rvs vote and you-well answer the question above


Shitty Iphone posticng

Anybody else think he was [trying to garner sympathy, making excuses, etc] by insinuating he's on a mobile phone?

Anybody else think the "posticng" at the end seems just a little ... oh... FAKE? This is why I'm voting shos. This right here.

I have been on a completely spontaneous trip with a few of my friends, this is why I did not post this Fri-Sat. I haven't posted here and in the other game I played, and got mislynched there while I was gone so yes that post was from my GF's iPhone; I don't have one so it isn't quite obvious to me~

shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount

What was scummy there? Iirc I just asked wtf.
Uber and parama have already supplied their reasons for votirng me-parama thinks the whole saga was already out of RVS and uber either misread or misrepped me. But you and diddin im still waiting to hear from. Diddin just seems to be lurking behind his rvs vote and you-well answer the question above


Shitty Iphone posticng

the scumminess lies in the lack of you posting your wagon whining in 224
why did you wait to make this post:

Day 1 votecount 4

shos (4):

diddin, Parama, Furcolow, UberNinja
With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

May i be reninded of why i am being voted again?

You are clearly not following the game, and reading at a skim. You didn't even realize you had 4 votes until the mod edited it! This is the 2nd time you've been woe is me, and you've already flailed at me once.

what is your opinion on yosarian? you've tunneled a lot on shos, but I don't see much productivity otherwise from your slot

+1

Let me paraphrase Chiaro for a second.

"I think Parama's scum claim is scummy. I didn't want to push it though because I have no real case... but since Vi is pushing it, it's okay to push now. This one thing makes Parama scummier than Uber, who I didn't have any reasoning on in the first place. In fact, I have yet to do any scumhunting. But Parama is scum."

I mean... the entirety of his play is based on sheeping others, and acting like he had actual reasoning to back it up. He's sitting around waiting for others to post cases on other players.

Le quotes of relevance:

However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence.

Why vote me without reasoning, and then say someone else is going to give you headaches?

I voted you because I thought you were scummy.
...
As for why I didn’t state my reasons for voting you, I wanted to see who was thinking along the same lines as me so that I could identify them as more likely town, which I now see shos as.

I'm just being honest. I was scared to call Parama scummy for something I wouldn't hesitate to vote most other players for, a scum claim, because I know his meta. When an older player called him scummy anyway, I felt encouraged to do so.

I find the third one to be the most incriminating... "I was scared to call Parama scummy" even though it's town's job to scumhunt and call others scum. It also implies a fear of being lynched. Who else is afraid of being lynched? Hmm...
On a side note, Vi is 100% golden-plated confirmed town once Chiaro flips scum.

I have to say that I am on chiaro's side here; in the game I just got lynched in(as VT), I also did sort of the same thing - I did not vote for someone and instead I *said* that we should lynch him. this was at L-3; then someone voted him, and after a while(time-wise, there were almost no posts inbetween) I voted too, thinking that well, town should be taking this lynch now. for some reason (as you said above) people there thought this was going for a quickhammer or something.
So my point is that it is a definitely legit possibility that someone wants to see that others share his thoughts before he takes action or something.

I admit I almost voted for him last page based on most of that.

But I still think shos should go first.

You have not responded to my response to your reasoning against me; basically, it's like you want to lynch me without reason; please see my last few posts and respond.


This post is for posts of a page before, another will be posted on last page soon

[shos]

oh crap there's another page lol uh, pages 13-14 will be covered soon

[shos]

>votes shos
>gets called scum

>stops voting shos
>suddenly shos is scum again

WHAT DO

You talkin' to me? ... you must be, cause I'm the only one here.
shos is scummy enough to lynch, and I'm currently voting shos.

WHAT NOW

unvote, vote: shos

THAT'S WHAT

you two gotta be scumpartners, these three posts are bleeding scum to me; literally nothing changed about my situation while I was gone, this push on me is wrong and caseless. No wonder parama is catching fire with this gameplay.

unvote; vote Parama

im fine with quilford
his spazzing and flailing is near shos level
i support either of the two wagons
Vi pushing against shos has me thinking he might be town if she is mafia

spazzing and flailing? come on, if you want to vote quil you need to give me a real reason, not fluff like you do. same goes for voting me of course - I don't recall you answering my last post aimed at you.

shos has been way more active and can be held accountable
i'll give Vi the benefit of the doubt

what does this post mean?

i still support my quilford vote. going to reread cus most of my other reads are nonexistent at this point.

you're actively lurking.

yep. hes definitely scum.

quoted just so that everyone can see this again.

"Scum caught for the wrong reasons."
Don't even bother finding a replacement, just kill it. It OMGUS'd pretty much anything on it in a fit of flaility flail ffs.

Are you asking for a modkill? firstly I don't understand why; secondly, what happens if a modkill happens? *is noob*

If Quilford flips scum, kanye is his buddy.

kanye is probscum regardless of Quilford's alignment.

I actually support this from my gut.

[shos]

well on this page there isn't much to say.

so many scummy fucks

So everyone going in V/LA is scum for you.?

your vote is bad

and can you explain this? to whom are you talking and why?

bah, 4 catch up posts in a row. sorry for the spamz mod ><

[shos]

Alright, Chiaro is scum. That makes Parama probably town.

why would that make Parama town?

Shos/Chiaro are still scumbuddies, nothing has changed.

are you still voting me for the RVS votes?

[shos]

*my* RVS votes. don't act stupid.

[shos]

unvote; vote Parama

just noting, in case you ever want to answer

[shos]

how is 10 posts ago still the RVS wow this guy needs rope

are you serious?

I asked you if you are still voting me with the reason being you think that my RVS votes are already out of RVS. did you *reallllly* not get that??

[shos]

Ninja's post about Zar is terrible. that's a reeheaheaaaally forced case, which holds no water. what's wrong in asking questions? what follow up do you want for a question like 'remind me why you think ___ is scum'?

what made you reverse your opinion on me all of a sudden?
what mixed reactions do you get on Parama? or more in depth - what *good* reactions do you get from parama?
why are you so certain about Yos? build a case on him in a post/quote one for me please~

@Kanye: I totally agree with ninja about you being scum. I still don't have an idea why anyone thought Quil/elmo slot is scum and if you too can build a one-post case it'll be great.

on a second read of your post ninja,

I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.

this, untill the 'even so', gives me town vibes. However, that last sentence - it is bad. it's like you are trying to get the cop in this game, if such exists, to investigate someone. this definitely could come from a scum PoV - you're trying to get the cop to investigate someone who is not in your scumteam.
so the second part kinda stops my town vibes. I'll see the answers to the questions above and I'll decide. as you know so far you've been on my scum radar.

pedit:
Kanye, what the hell? how can that be interpretted as scumfession?

[shos]

Kanye please kindly answer without any sarcasm, lengthily and elaboratedly, why do you think quil slot is scum.

[shos]

what is amished tells?

Yos, please post your reads on everyone in the game.

+1.

Uber just might be townie as well

[shos]

Kanye, Charter is quite right. giving links to ISOs doesn't promote anything; and your whole lot of specific reasons - the last three are seriously nothing; a Large game like that, I might have replaced out as well, both as scum and as town, and the other two just say 'that unvote is scummy'. the large quote is again nothing but 'he is scum'. my point is that to me it seems like you have just one point against that slot, and even that one is not scummy at all in my opinion.

you call all that 'damning evidence'. really?

eh, been ninja'd by 4 posts, will respond in a sec

[shos]

well I have to say that Yos's post is almost exactly identical, except with explanations, to kanye's; and from the timestamp it seems like it really is legit. if two different people say the same without planning, which they couldn't have planned even if they're scum, it should probably make sense. I'm not quite sure what to think about the fact that I needed YOS's post to understand that.

anyway, that post combined with Elmo's response, kinda makes me rethink about that slot.

[shos]

I am now doing a complete reread of the thread, starting page 1. a very big comment will probably come soon.

[shos]

@post 58 (UN), I don't suppose you actually compare that game of yours to here? I read the first 4 pages there and it looks very, very bad. I think this game wasn't even remotely close to that. and @59 - why did you think me scum because of post 7? post 59 looks like it's distancing from the unvote you just did there.

post 66 till the end of the page(talking about UN's posts again) are just bad. I'm inclined to think of that as scummy; it's like you try to build a case on stupid obviously wrong stuff, when it is not funny or useful at all for a townie.

so far UN scummy. (page 3)

page 4 now - post 80 is good by Zar. ninja has jumped easily to vote Parama. post 95 is bad as well. Parama's posts in this page are better.

page 5 now. How comes everybody, including everybody, ignored my posts 101 and 102?
Kanye's 104 is a really bad game there. game has already started developing and he still gets back to stupid fluff, and then votes the leading bandwagon. post 114 is good by furcolow. Diddin's posts are just terribad. all 2 of them so far.
Yos's vote looks quite bad too. Nuwen's as well. both seem to bandwagon, yos looks worse since he's trying to supply reasons to the vote, and what he says is just plain bad.
Quil's 122 called him out for it, that's good.

so far I like chiaro and quil and dislike kanye and uber and yos.

will continue in a few minutes

[shos]

*continues*
on page 6, post 129 is something that gives you good idea of townieness about Nuwen. that thinking is good; maybe not fully condemning of course, but it is good and townie ish. However, I disagree with it; the post just before it by quil, the 'I am a pussy', shows genuinity in thinking, and it shows honesty. and look at Kanye's post following - another BW jumpon.

so far I like chiaro and quil and Nuwen dislike kanye and uber and yos.
I'll make a culumn that will be better viewed after the post.

post 131 there looks like a genuine misinterpreteation. he seems annoyed because he didn't notice the questionmark at the end of nuwen's post. Kanye's just trying to piss him off it seems, and successfully. the next few posts show you just how honestly annoyed he is; look at the timestamps on his streak of posting. this shows genuine anger(I use this word alot now don't I lol) ; the guy is raging and not understanding what the hell you wanted from him, even if your cases are legit(they are, nuwen). this also explains his replacing out in the future imo.

in 138 nuwen pushes his vote, but with wrong reasoning imo. no tell here. and oh, Nuwen did notice that hebrew piece of info I shot at you guys.

@Nuwen:

I'm a hebrew speaker and I have spent like 10 minutes of pointed reading about that. I have absolutely no idea how it can possibly relate to the game, and it seems like the picture is really broken and just redirects to an accidental place.

then there's me whining again lol

no comments on next posts, except question: @Uber, explain to me post 149?

going for dinner, be back later...sorry again lol

[shos]

the whole fight till post 158 on page 7 makes Yos look better and uber worse, imo.
woah, that's all there is for page 7. that was quick.

page 8; parma has gotta stop with that AtE/sarcasm/whatever his playstyle is. it is seriously confusing and it might make people think wrongly about him.
this page has no posts to be specific about, but the general play makes me dislike diddin and uber more, and reset my reads abuot Vi and Yos both. Furcolow looks good, except that last post aimed at me, which I have no understanding of, but I'm willing to ignore it.

likes:
Chiaro,
Quilford,
Nuwen,
Furcolow;

dislikes:
Kanye,
Uberninja.

let's see page 9.

Uber's panic looks like he's nervious for the votes on him. otherwise there's really no reason to write a sentence, submit, again and again. nervous, very nervous. the similar thing from furcolow down the page is not the same; compare the content.
Furcolow seems like his 'flailing' thing means a lot to him. Can you explain this, furcolow?
Diddin's play is just bad; I'd be even willing to policy lynch such an unhelpful lurker. tunneling and lurking.
Kanye's behaviour doesn't help town much now. it doesn't hurt it, but it's morelike fluff, it seems like active lurking to me. posts like 'lol' don't work with my game.

page 10.
post 227 by nuwen is really good imo, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. it is logical scumhunting and even if I disagree, nuwen will get the towncred for it.
this page generally makes me think good stuff on Zar and bad about parama. I don't think it's a scumtell cuz parama's playstyle really confuses me; but you'll be null leaning town.

likes:
Chiaro,
Quilford,
Nuwen,
Furcolow;

semi-likes:
Zar
Semi-dislikes:
parama

dislikes:
Kanye,
Uberninja.

*sigh* I'll continue tomorrow.. this is taking longer than expected.

[shos]

just skimmin till I get here in my full reread - lurkmode: see diddin.

[shos]

page 11. post 252 makes yos look better again. I'll nullify him for that further. chiaro's second paragraph in post 258 makes me like him more.
post 262 is WHAT? I mean really, out of the blue, no reasoning, etc. bad post. by quil, but since it's not a wagon we'll have to read on and see what's up with that.
post 263 has bad responses to the first three quotes. then he votes me with misrepped reasons. bad boy ninja.
Vi's 268 is good catch lol, but I still wonder about that 262, so we'll see.
the line that Zar underlined in post 258 makes me think better of Chiaro; funny that it made Zar vote him. as a newb, I found that in my games as town I tend to fear to vote at times, so chiaro gets some good townie points there. Zar doesn't change.
Furcolow's shoutout at me comes from a townie place, even if they're wrong. townie++;

Page 12. chiaro's first two posts look good, but the next with the vote looks wierd. however, he thought about it earlier, so that can just be a conclusion of a reread, so it doesn't change his status yet. I also have to say that parma's post later just shows that his playstyle really is confusing >< *sigh*
wtf about 282?
diddin is a bad lurker. says nothing about anything except one thing nobody really cares about at the time. no content.
ninja's 287 is really bad. that is so far fetched accusation, and then he says that 'this right here.'. might I conclude that the fact you voted earlier than the reason means you're tunneling/just scum wagoning?
another bad post from ninja - 289, that is not too hard, that is practically too easy, one post followed by the next one contradicting it, and Vi caught it well. I realy am not biased here, ninja is just making many bad posts lol ><
298 by parama looks good. wrong, but good.
299 is again a bad post, as scum sticks to the vote and gives themselves a backup option, like 'if we don't lynch shos than I'll be glad to vote chiaro'. more of a reason to think chiaro is town once ninja flips scum.

end of page, going to lunch(lol, wrote lynch at first..y and u are near each other..).

so far:

likes:

Chiaro+++
Quilford--(for the random bad post now and then; we'll se once I keep counting pages later)
Nuwen+++
Furcolow++

dislikes:

Kanye,
Uberninja--> is very very very scum so far.

[shos]

for the next two days together: note that kanye is selectively giving the condemning meta game of quil, and Vi supplies the correction.
about post 326, Zar, you may never know, chiaro may just be having some hard time in RL and just might start giving the content you want so much in the near future. I say give him a while, if it stays the same, I'll accept your point as an accusation.
bout my +1 in the long post 332, same goes for Diddin. about the last part in that post - Ninja, you still have to answer this.

page 15.
no comment on post 351, but I'll just link for you to see. LINK
about ninja's big post - all the stuff pointed at Zar are really bad in my opinion. the rest of the post doesn't look that bad tho. made me think twice again.
Kanye's posts are bad as well. the response to elmo's post with the unvote - the hell? what are you thinking kanye?
and again, what is amished tell?

page 16.
about post 375: the fact that you actually said that outright looks to me like a post that shows that this is not genuine, and was only done to make us think all those stuff you said there.
till post 395 I get the impression that everyone in that conversation is town except for kanye. Charter has good points especially.
page 17.
I understood yos's points and they make sense a tad. however I don't think it is enough to vote quil, and I especially don't think it's enough to clear kanye.
Vi's 408 comes from a town PoV.
post 412 is once again a bad vote.
418 looks good by nuwen. the thought that one buddy will defend and one will ignore/buss is good scumhunting. 421 too.
424 is another bad post. "What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?" are you seriously trying to defend yourself like this? and that bit with "Alright, I'll bite. If Quilford flips scum, lynch me next." superb AtE.

meanwhile I'm gonna UNVOTE: and VOTE: Uberninja.

likes:
Chiaro+++
Nuwen+++
Furcolow++
charter
Yos

Are simply scum:

Kanye,
Uberninja

pages 18-19 soon

[shos]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

lol, just what I said a post ago lol XD

Yos's posts in page 18 are good.

Well, can you explain why you think Kanye is scum, Vi? I really don't see it at all.

The unmitigated opportunism, the utter lack of Towniness, the

being scum

, etc.

Because neither of those posts contain any actual reasons or explanations of any kind. "He's scum because he's scum" is not an answer; and I don't get "opportunism" charge at all considering how early he joined the Quil wagon.

It's weird that I feel like I have to pull teeth to get an answer out of you about this; this is the third time I've had to ask you, and still nothing. Considering how committed you were on lynching Parama earlier in the game, I'd assume you wouldn't leave the Parama wagon unless you had an even stronger suspicion on someone else, but you seem oddly reluctant to even talk about Kanye at all here, even while you're voting him.

Because I'm surprised that there's a giant chain of fools that doesn't get it.

kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford. Okay, whatever. kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford

while the coast was clear

. Nothing else for anyone, and not even posting while other lynchees are being talked about. That is opportunism.

That I don't buy the bulk of his case on Quilford (the strongest point being the Amished tell, which I'm choosing to set aside in this particular instance) is gravy.

and this is a good response.
~~~
@VI: what is the case against chiaro? I just went through thr whole thread and there really is nothing I could mark against him. I remember weakly certain stuff people said but I didn't agree with them. so if anyone can give me a case on him, I'll be glad to respond.

welll I am sort of waiting around for chiaro or shos to get lynched tbh

*facepalm*

id appreash it if some1 gave me a quick rundown on that

yah, with me thinking kanye is a scum member, this pushes me more against the chiaro lynch; because asking stuff like that is definitely distancing from the wagon. yes, I did that too, but I really doubt I will have any part on that wagon. he didn't say anything~

Hey you. Quilford wagon.

I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

Being pissed and asking for a replacement doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, it strikes me as a theatrical from somoene who doesn't think he can reason with whomever is pushing for his wagon.

As for the replacement, I don't see Elmo doing anything striking me as odd or weird to make me want to lynch him.

is a good post.

hey whys chiaro scum?

Post 271, 298, and others

271 is not enough for a lynch; maybe enough for a null leaning scum if he's null on your radar. 298 I've already responded in my summary. others=???

Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.

#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon

Any thoughts on this?

I will reread that again later, since I remember having a good impression on him.


pedit: ninja'd by 2 post by nuwen

[shos]

Are simply scum:[/b]
Kanye,
Uberninja

I'll eat a dozen hats if these players are scum together. Pick

one

.

my vote states who I think is scummier. why do you think the combo kanye/UN cannot be both scum?

[shos]

Uber, I loved seeing that you think me as town, but you still ignored the fact that I voted you and gave a hellovalot of reasons for that.

[shos]

nonono, the two are unrelated to each other. on the one side, I was glad to see you think me as town. on the other side, I'm not glad, because you're ignoring my mountain-high pile of reasons to vote you.

[shos]

also mod, please prod Chiaro.

[Bolding requests please (rule 7), I may not always catch them otherwise. And chiarocicada has announced his VLA till monday, 72 hours have not yet elapsed since the end of the VLA.] - spring

[shos]

Uber: I'm not replacing out, screw you. Just because I don't post walls very much doesn't mean I have to replace because I don't meet your standards.

replace me please

I've come to accept the fact that I don't have time to play mafia anymore. Sorry guys.

*facepalm*

is there anyone here who does not think that uberninja is scummy? I can count Vi as the only one?

@Vi: whaddya mean trade votes lol. I don't understand~

[shos]

unofficial votecount:

Elmo TeH AzN (4):

Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow, (L-3)

Chiarosicada

Pirate Chemist (3):

Zar, charter, Parama, (L-4)

Parama (1):

Chiarosicada

Pirate Chemist, (L-6)

kanyeknowsbest (2)

: Elmo teh AzN, Vi (L-5)

shos (1):

diddin

katsuki, (L-6)

Yosarian2 (1):

UberNinja, (L-6)

Uberninja(1):

Shos (L-6)

Not voting (0):

<3


where the hell did you get L-1 already?

[shos]

oh now I see. it's an *I* not 1. although I find it very odd that you failed to recognize that considering there was actually a sentence there O_o
I may be biased against you already, but dishonesty added to my notebook of scummy things in your play..

[shos]

the last vote of yours? lol no, that's completely irrelevant. if you're second in a 7 votes lynch, you're not bwing~

[shos]

unvote, vote uberninja

Finally.

the whole pages 21-22-23 here were much much blaabber and less really talking. I don't understand how everybody is coming at Yos for misreading; while Ninja 'did' that too; that's A. and B would be, how comes people come at Vi for 'almost getting a premature claim' when he only voted, while ninja immidiately after posted a 'intent to hammer, please claim'.

I don't get it, do people ignore ninja's scumflips on purpose?


@those who just replaced in, ISO me - look at the last posts. there's some post where I start a full reread of the whole game and comment on anything I think important. in other words, vote Uberninja, lol.

[shos]

shos, you said you'd take another look at Furcolow. What do you think of his case/vote pattern?

If I did I must've forgotten. I'll do it tomorrow.

[shos]

UN's only response to pressure all game has been "claim town/ buddy with people/ OMGUS/ claim town/ buddy with people/ OMGUS" over and over again, and it just looks completely scum motivated. Basically everything he's said all game makes a thousand times more sense if you picture UN-scum saying it then if you try to imagine any town player actually believing what he's saying.

I'd like to both agree and add here.
I just finished a game with Tierce, in which she was one of the winning scum team(perfect win, awesome game). then I looked at her scum QT and I learnt quite alot from it. I only played scum once so far, and it was like a fountain of info.

either way(getting to the point here), one of the stuff there was that if someone catches you on something, don't defend yourself; throw a bone as a defense, but more dedicate the post to pretended scumhunting, to redirect attention and to prevent yourself getting cornered. Ninja has done exactly that; I've posted a gazillion-lines-long case on him in 4 consecutive posts, and he hasn't even responded to them, except calling me town for the effort. Ninja's play has been full of (bacon et des œufs)ing flaws, holes, hypocrisy and well generally scummy play imo. please don't ask me to repeat my case, just ISO me to see my analysis of the first 18 pages.

in other words - Ninja has just posted A LOT and is just good at distracting. he hasn't defended himself not even once, and just made veryone look the other way while he's sharpening his knives. *me so poet*


I will not even discuss my thoughts about Vi/kanye/Yos at this point.

[shos]

Nonononononononononononono. No.

LIES LIES LIES

Is there some reason that this guy isn't dead yet? I really want everyone who's not voting UN to justify that here. The only person who has at this point has been Vi; I haven't heard anyone else give any reason for keeping UN alive, and yet he's been remarkably hard to lynch.

i just dont see the reason to lynch him over quil/elmo. he clutters the thread up with nonsense and terrible reads but im not going to lynch someone based on that, especially when we have elmo to work with.

by the way elmo's "well kanye is tunneling me but getting nowhere so i dont have to do anything" only makes him scummier.

don't be a pain in the omlette, give me a case on Quil. you're tunneling him for a year now, I don't remember anything about that

[shos]

Nuwen is town, UN is scum, elmo is scum too.

for reasons - reread my 4 posts again(goddammit, will anyone, please, for omlette fu fromage's sake, respond to them?). for reasons about elmo just ISO him, that's a really easy scum.


also:

Elmo TeH AzN (1):

kanyeknowsbest,

kanyeknowsbest (2)

: Vi, UberNinja,

Pirate Chemist (1):

Parama,

Parama (1):

Pirate Chemist ,

shos (1):

Katsuki,

UberNinja (4):

shos, Yos, Nuwen, Zar

Nuwen (2):

Charter, Elmo

Vi(1):

Furcolow

Not voting (0):

<3

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

[shos]

reread my 4 posts again(goddammit, will anyone, please, for omlette fu fromage's sake, respond to them?).

[shos]

well last time I checked Uberninja has 4 votes on him. so as my top scum read, I think it does matter you know. I provided like a thousand reasons to vote him, which everybody just seems to have ignored; what I am trying to do here is to raised the discussion about Ninja. I've already noted how he is very good at distracting, but as of now it just seems that nobody is even willing to discuss him.

[shos]

mhm yes, well, I know that you already responded - didn't remember it so well but either way now I know - so you can take that as me complaining about the rest of 'em, not responding.

[shos]

Ugh.

That is all.

very informative.

your opinion on UN?

[shos]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

then give me your case on Kanye, whom you're voting?

[shos]

@ninja,
you look like all those big companies trying to fill you up with papers since they know they're wrong, so they try to tire you out.
in the post you gave me about kanye - last two quotes are completely irrelevant; there is no case there, they just say that you think kanye is scum. the first - that's terrible reasoning for a lynch in my opinion. too little too late. the second - the only reference to kanye is 'we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye'.

in other words, you have no case, you're full of omlettes.
want to see how a case looks like, check out my case on you, lol.

[shos]

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

[shos]

meanwhile I'm gonna UNVOTE: and VOTE: Uberninja.

likes:
Chiaro+++
Nuwen+++
Furcolow++
charter
Yos

Are simply scum:

Kanye,
Uberninja

Parama is a null read for me at the moment, as he was at the time of this post. nothing serious changed about him since.

[shos]

just ISOed parma to see his posts from that post till now - they were only one-liners-style posts, nothing serious. so I didn't miss anything~

[shos]

hey elmo would you say that you have a strong town read on the following people:
uberninja, furcolow, charter, shos, vi

UN I don't know what to think TBH..

*sends you again to read my 4 posts*

[shos]

@ninja,
you look like all those big companies trying to fill you up with papers since they know they're wrong, so they try to tire you out.
in the post you gave me about kanye - last two quotes are completely irrelevant; there is no case there, they just say that you think kanye is scum. the first - that's terrible reasoning for a lynch in my opinion. too little too late. the second - the only reference to kanye is 'we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye'.

in other words, you have no case, you're full of omlettes.
want to see how a case looks like, check out my case on you, lol.

You're missing the part where cases are required to lynch scummy people.
You of all people should realize that from Page 1.

On the other hand; you have made a case on me, Yos has made a case on me... and yet I'm still alive.

that's exactly my point. you don't have a case on kanye. therefore your required item to lynch scummy kanye does not exist, you're just blabbering.

also, people have a case on you, yes. but you do such an amazing job redirecting attention that others just don't read those cases.

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You're saying "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy"

I think you have had too much vodka broseph

no, I am not protecting kanye here. in case you didn't see, I PROVIDED a case against him. so yes I want him lynched. BUT, what I'm doing here is discreditting you; presenting the bullcrap you give the world in shiny light for everyone to see.

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum :/

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

bolded

: oh boy, wasn't he your scumread? oh but you didn't have a case on him...true dat..so you change your mind. obviously.

Italicized

: agreed.


I swear to fuck this is what everyone seems to be saying in this game...

[shos]

oh man, tags screwed up. the quote tages were supposed to end before ther BOLDED and start again before the I SWEAR.

now my comment about the I swer to fuck, lol:
???

I havn't finished reading, I submitted mby mistake

[shos]

ah well nothing to add anyways.

I want people's opinions about Uberninja.

Day 1 votecount 9

(4) UberNinja :

shos, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Zar,

(2) kanyeknowsbest

: Vi, UberNinja,

(2) Nuwen :

charter, Elmo teh AzN,

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest,

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist ,

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama,

(1) shos :

Katsuki,

(1) Vi :

Furcolow,

Not voting (0):

<3

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Vi already gave my his opinion. I want elmo, charter, kanye, chemist, parama, katsuki, and furcolow's opinions.

and for WHATVER YOU BELIEVE IN's sake, stop lurking

[shos]

just ISOed parma to see his posts from that post till now - they were only one-liners-style posts, nothing serious. so I didn't miss anything~

I would definitely say you missed something.

oh I forgot, what did I miss?

[shos]

@685 remind me tomorrow.
@688 - I don't understand, are you trying to get me lynched, or elmo? O_o
@689:

If there are votes going down on kanye, and other people recognize he's scummy too, then how is it "just blabbering"? If I skip the case-making part because I assume other people are seeing the same things I am (and they are), then how is it "just blabbering"? Did you see kanye ever make a case on Quilford? Did you see Nuwen ever do anything except tunnel on one or two slots and be generally useless? Then we've got Elmo, diddin and Katsuki: the very definition of useless.
With that said, I'm not too jazzed about a kanye lynch any more, so Unvote.

don't you understand? you're just bandwagoning. you just foolproofed my accusation. your reason to vote is that kanye already has votes. you literally had no reason to vote kanye earlier, and yet, you did. you're not acting as a town. what do you mean *skip* the case-making? who gives an ommlette about what others see? if you see kanye doing scummy things, POINT THEM OUT. but you don't. you just claim to have seen. I don't care if kanye made a case on quilford; I think he's scum too and have a case on him as well. about nuwen - yes, I did. hence my town read on him(

that is, for someone who asked earlier, btw

). and the other lurkers - irrelevant. completely. I'm not lynching you cuz you're useless, I'm lynching you cuz you act like you're the most obvscum evah. and that unvote of yours - boy, am I an oracle or something, having predicted that? me so awesome!

How do you know people haven't read the cases on me? Do you really think people who play mafia for a living (lol) would be dumb enough to completely ignore cases on scummy people just because the scummy person is also making posts? You're assuming a couple of things that just don't work in practice, namely that a) people have to make airtight cases to lynch scum (which is wrong because not too many things in mafia are black and white, which is why it requires some level of skill and strategy to play), and also b) that if a person with a case made against them is posting at all, that everyone will ignore the case. Which is simply not true.

I don't know that. but people just haven't responded. not confirmed thoughts nor protest against. I don't think they ignored, but maybe they skimmed, or just didn't take the time to respond. that's why I ask them for answers. I am not assuming anything here; about your (a), that is not an assumption, that is a method of gameplay. when I am town, I only vote people I have a reason to suspect. you don't seem to be doing that lately. seems like you try to lynch whoever it is cool to be against~
about your (b), that is not what I said. I said that you were very good in distracting, that's all. can you link me to a town game of yours, btw?

Maybe they did read your case. Maybe they did read Yos' case. Maybe they just decided the cases weren't good, or determined independently that I'm town regardless of the cases made against me. Just because a case is made against someone doesn't make them scum. Duh.

that is why I'm waiting for THEIR answers. in my eyes, you're scum. in their eyes - who knows. so far you are the leading wagon; and with my case on you, which seems to just be growing when we talk, I'm pretty sure we'll nail you this day.

Your attitude and insistence upon proper "case decorum" makes me think you're town, however.

ooh didn't you just say people don't have to have airtight cases to lynch or something?..anyway this looks to me again, like uberninja uberbuddying attempt.

about the next part of your post - I think you both are scum independently. the fact that you vote him without having a case makes me think you're scum. kanye is unrelated to this.

what shiny light are you talking about? yes everyone can see your bull; but what I'm trying to do is make them ignore your bull and see the real scumslips/scumtells/whatever.


and you reversed your kanye vote now. since post 636 what has kanye done to make you reverse your read? ISO him now. all he did was ask you about your alliance shit, and these.

hey kats whos scum.

what do you think about my heartthrob, elmo~

so really, what's changed? your mood?

[shos]

UN quoted it right in 689.

[shos]

chemist & parama, stop OMGUSing each other and vote ninja. *is in the spirit of the above few posts*

Vi if your vote is for rent - UBERNINJA

[shos]

honestly, he's lurked so much that I don't even remember a single thing about that slot. *looks at ISO* come on he has three posts.

[shos]

No then. I don't vote people who aren't scummy.

[shos]

just went through chiaro's ISO, and I think that slot was very townish behaving. what's scummy there?

[shos]

Just ISOed nuwen. I stand by my strong town read on him. I don't see anything scummy there, whereas I do see posts that contribute to the scumhunting, and on top of them thoughts that I agree with regarding Uberninja, for example. after anoother ISO on elmo, I see no way in which lynching nuwen is better than lynching elmo, if that is your case - about the active lurking.

let me reas charter's case on nuwen a sec.

Nuwen refuses to be town or answer her read on Chiaro. I think both Nuwen and Chiaro are scum. I have had an uneasy feeling about Nuwen all game, how all she does is call others stupid and try and control them. She's only attacked easy targets with only a thin veil of scumhunting behind it. Yos is pretty close to falling in this category as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Kanye belongs in this group too, right?

Well, I disagree about the 'thin veil'. on that post you also asked if there was anyone who had a town read on nuwen - well I do, as I said earlier somewhere.

[shos]

To face these extraordinary circumstances, extraordinary measures have been taken. The police has installed a delation box outside of the security office, if a name is dropped in in sufficient number, the suspect will be arrested and taken to preventive custody.

And please speak up if you've done this - I submitted the name I translated, which I believe is correct. The wikipedia article for the name is all evil-looking and demonlike. I assume this is a jailkeep mechanic that triggers on the role name/faction/slot/whatever if enough people decode it.

Again, I'm holding on to the answer because I think it's a role or faction name. At best, the answer catches scum and at worst scum have to burn through safeclaims or make shit up off to avoid claiming this name.

can you reexplain this? I'm utterly confused. what DID you figure out from the hebrew sign?

[shos]

uhh yeah the votecount seems messed up alittle..

@nuwen: so you think that if we submit the name written it should work, or if we submit the FACTION name?..I'm still missing you..

[shos]

why talking crazy? I'm sure you just ignored the time where I said about the hebrew part?

[shos]

cus when i read that bit im pretty sure that was just a flavor description for the lynch

why is there a hebrew worded picture there then?

[shos]

Nuwen is once again resorting to bullying now that her name has come up. Trying to scare people into doing what she wants with the threat of "blacklisting" (I'm sure we're all terrified) you if you don't do what she wants. Yosarian, how is this not scummy to you? Same question for anyone else who wants to answer.

I don't even see any hebrew symbol, and would assume it's only flavor as well. It obviously refers to voting during the day and the suspect being lynched.

Pirate posting in other games and lurking his pants off in this one. Very obvious this guy is scum.

A) I'm not sure about the blacklisting thing; I used that too in my first game here as a newb bout something. but nuwen is no noob, so..I'd go with frustration - I can't see how this is alignment telling. It's not like he told them to do something specific.. it was more general.. I dunno. either way, it won't transfer my town view on him to scum so easily.

B) I mentioned it specifically, about how the picture does not appear and you have to dig in to get it. only nuwen responded to that. try doing your investigation as well.

C) good catch.

PIRATE!

get active immidiately or replace out again lol.


pedit, ninja'd by 2 posts.

[shos]

lol charter of course not. you'll be sorry? for what, not being able to play with him again? who cares, lol.

[shos]

I've read those three posts four times and didn't get it =\ further explanation for the dumb ones among us please?

[shos]

Pirate posting in other games and lurking his pants off in this one. Very obvious this guy is scum.

Unvote; Vote: Pirate Chemist

that's enough for you to vote? soo there's nobody scummier than a lurker in your opinion..?

[shos]

because you're scum and you just throw out something without reasoning?...how the heck did you get to VI-Nuwen combo, lol.

[shos]

Elmo is lurking. has been online for the last 10 minutes, and now he's gone.

[shos]

just look back at his posts elmo.

[shos]

just look back at his posts elmo.

Vi knew what I was talking about. Also what was the point of calling me out for being online but not making a post? I don't get the reason. Im no longer allowed to just pop on see whats going on and head out?

usually I expect townies to post their thoughts when they come on. you don't post much of your thoughts even when you do, so...meh nvm~

hmm

I suppose shos is probtown
Uber's totally town

Pirate's still scum

carry on then

I have no idea how you do this. Please teach me.

lol. Parama, you're gonna have to start talking too you know. reasoning for all that?

[shos]

uh firstly yes, I would be very much happier if you started attacking everyone. I would like to hear your thoughts in any way, even if they are against me. anyway - almost 100% of the times I log on, I respond to whatever happened since I last posted.

[shos]

I completely have to support Yos2 over here, charter you're just being stupid now. I was going to point it myself since last page but now I see Yos has done that already, so just +1 to every singlke post he did this page lol.

look at UN's bandwagoning again. this is what, the 5th person he's voting already?

proposing a compromise wagon on Katsuki in case we don'thave a lynch till deadline. till then - vote Uberninja boys and gals! tis' free!

[shos]

I completely have to support Yos2 over here, charter you're just being stupid now. I was going to point it myself since last page but now I see Yos has done that already, so just +1 to every singlke post he did this page lol.

look at UN's bandwagoning again. this is what, the 5th person he's voting already?

proposing a compromise wagon on Katsuki in case we don'thave a lynch till deadline.

till then - vote Uberninja boys and gals! tis' free!

This is probably one of the worst posts I've read thus far.

As in, why is a compromise lynch even being considered right now, with 6 days left, and when it's someone who you haven't mentioned with the word "scum" even once this game?

you have just lurked and done literally NOTHING since you replaced diddin, which is even worse than him; he just lurked, you are actively lurking. so I'll agree to a policy lynch on you, but only if I can't get my scum suspects lynched. It's not that I haven't mentioned you with 'scum' even once, it's more like I haven't mentioned you at all, and you haven't mentioned me, and same goes for like everyone? O_o at least so it feels.

im not bwing yos is town telling this makes UN scummy in my eyes

vote him.

[shos]

as I said, chemist is lurking and will probably be replaced; you are ACTIVELY lurking, which is worse. so if we get to the point of a compromise lynch, you're a better candidate imo. why does it bother you that I said it 'at this point'?
[offtopic]
and you study physics too? where? I'm on my last semester towards a math & physics degree now [/offtpic]

I've never played with katsuki~
@Vi: when I noted the many votes of UN, it should more be in context with the 'Y U VOTE WITH NO CASE AGAIN AND AGN' that I threw at UN.

@796: even I know that Fate is awesome bring'im on!!!
@797: this makes me want to start meta him. can you give us the QT of that game? it'll help learn about youscum an katsukiscum possibilities. we should also check his general activity in other parts of the site or something. I don't wanna do this at the mo~

hmm ninja'd by nuwen, that really was psychic XD

[shos]

bummer. eh parama, can you please get some content in? otherwise you're just as scummy as katsuki and exactly as fit to be the compromise lynch, lol. since there are others who actually think you're scum, I think if we'll get there, it'll probably be you...so start playing~

[shos]

no it's not a threat; but your last few posts are really void of any content.

[shos]

have you seriously posted that? are you really going to do this on day 1?

someone lynch him before he gives me more of this XD ninja, what's the point in pointing out all the available couples??

[shos]

I keep thinking how the hell you can keep thinking ninja is town, and I keep thinking that you keep telling me the answer to that question, and I keep refusing to understand.

Katsuki, what id your opinion on UN?

[shos]

wtf is going on with you two lol.

what Vi quoted is terrible seeing again. but at least I'm glad katsuki finally decided to buss.

[shos]

Yes I bus err day every day especially when said buddy is no where near lynch and when a counterwagon would be easily doable.

P-EDIT: Goddamnit Parama we're not playing NINJAS here.

I'm pretty sure I just said that a counterwagon WOULDN'T be easily doable, and your vote was L-2.~

that, yeah.

where what when why? votecount, L-2, when you voted, since you voted.

it's been like that for a long while you know

[shos]

link to that game?

eh, ninja'd by 3 posts

[shos]

are you talking about the 'easily doability' of a counterwagon? well Vi is right there too.

[shos]

read up. I'm going to sleep.

[shos]

I have to start with a note to katsuki- READ THE CHEESEING GAME.

then I'll go with, reading the last 2 pages(without this one yet), I have to say my Vi-town read is much much stronger now. almost everything I want to post, I see that he already posted.

now reading this page.

[shos]

Alright, I was just in a game with UN and his play was totally different. I had him as scum that game, and he responded totally different to pressure. I severely doubt UN is scum. That's one of the major reasons I'm not voting him.

Ok. I ISO'd UN's play in that game, and I'm not sure I really see the differnece. Can you spell it out for me?

I was on to him day two (day one lasted 3 pages) and his arguments were so ridiculous that I had to stop arguing with him altogether. I don't see that in this game.

Uh. have you been reading the arguments UN's made in this game?

Also, what I see in that game strongly implies that scum-UN has a strong tendency to OMGUS people who are attacking him using terrible arguments, which is pretty much what he's doing in this game.

Maybe you're just not realizing how bad his arguments have been in this game when they haven't been on you?

+1 to 100% of the content in this post.

Zar, if you're fine with a UN lynch, revote him; a furcolow lynch is totes not gonna happen.

@UN's post: next time just don't post about those you don't think are possible beause 'bla bal is town so no'.
response to that VI/chemist stuff immidiately.

Know that if that case doesn't look real to my eyes(even if I disagree), the katsuki wagoning vote is really bad.

[shos]

about the Vi/pirate combo.

till the post 502 part, it's not scummy at all. the 'vote has served its purpose' shows you that it was just a pressure vote on a lurker, makes sense.

In response to Parama saying "Pirate's still scum", Vi replies in 756: "I have no idea how you do this. Please teach me."
-All Pirate Chemist has ever said about Vi is "Vi is probably town".

the first is a comment about Parama's playstyle.
athe second- Pirate hasn't said anything at all about anyone as far as I am concerned. so I don't see what your point is.

up until the 'Vi is very likely scum' line, I see you once again have no case on Vi and are pushing a faulty case.


read it all; your case is utter cow chocolate. the thing that caught my eye the most in your post was the 'evidentlyTown' addition there.

Confirm vote: Uberninja

[shos]

while your reads may be correct, the way you present and reason them is crap, so you aren't quite convincing. that, coming in a ddition to the already-bad impression I've had on you, is probably the reason for your lynch. I hope you're just trying to AtE here tho.

[shos]

I am sure you're scum. I was saying that if in fact you are a townie, then you're doing a pretty bad job at it. I gave everyone reasons to vote you, lol. Zar has already been voting you before he changed his vote; I do not take responsibility for Zar's vote or any other one except me. I gave much more of a handful of stuff against you, I'm pretty confident in my scumread here.

nobody *else* responded to the points you brought up. I responded, I think that's a load of faulty accusations, and perhaps 1-2 correct points that are not necessarily scumtells.
what do you mean by confirmation bias?

and what do you meana bout letting you finish? I commented only about the completed part of your post..?
you can finish with everything you want; but the point is that what you're doing is like hat I'm doing, except that you're looking for scum couples options, and I just gave a complete summary of the game at the time, including everyone's reads by me, and went for scum one-by-one. you know where that placed you.

[shos]

most townie reads of mine: Yos2, Vi, Nuwen. not necessarily in that order.

[shos]

crap, I had a post and chrome crashed

I remember asking Vi what those tells were - the Amished and the ellitell. and stuff. I also remember agreeing much with Yos.

[shos]

crap, I had a post and chrome crashed

I remember asking Vi what those tells were - the Amished and the ellitell. and stuff. I also remember agreeing much with Yos.

Make up your mind about who you agree with <_<
Also, how sure are you that UberNinja is scum?

Oh yes, that was the part that I did not emember in my post.

I am sure that UN is scum. however, what I meant when I said that was, that the possibility that UN is in fact correct in 100% of his reads and, if he had a 3-shot dayvig, we'd have won before night 1, and we are all mistaken, EXISTS. however, the likeliness of that occasion is like 0.00???% in my opinion; and therefore, if that is indeed the case, then UN is terrible in expressing and explaining his obviously uber-correct reasons.

The Amished tell is that "people who criticize the person they replace are scum", as scum are more likely to see scummy behavior in their replacement because lol, it

was

scummy. Surprisingly effective. I have a tell of my own along these lines but I'll keep it to myself.

O please O please tell me tell me *watery cute eyes*

...and well uh, I haven't seen it play(if you sat it's surprisingly effective), but in first sight, it doesn't look so correct. I mean, I never replaced in/out, but if I did, and I replaced in as townie being under fire, I would totes look at my predecessor's actions and see what the scummy actions was. don't know what I would do with the info, but I still think I'd have done that.

The Ellitell is "people who post a lot in other games but not much in a particular game are scum in the game they're not posting much in". Not nearly as ironclad as the Amished tell but it's much more fun to abuse with the "viewing this forum" list.

o hehe, that's what I did with Elmo when I called him out for lurking, lol. Except I did that in two games, and he responded within minutes, so it kinda faded away. and well I didn't use other games activity level, lol.


So using those tells in here...we're trying to look at how Quilford's replacee talks about Q being stupid and scummy and that 'fake anger'. I actually like that. but that is weak, too weak for my vote at least.
and about the ellitell - where are you trying to use it? on who..?

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crap, I had a post and chrome crashed

I remember asking Vi what those tells were - the Amished and the ellitell. and stuff. I also remember agreeing much with Yos.

you do realize you can click 'restore' when chrome reopens right?

that's what that feature is there for. now if it was IE on the other hand, you're shit outta luck

that restores your tabs, not what you wrote in the comment box lol

UN, I'll read the newly completed tomorrow

[shos]

Ah. If Hiraki replaces in, I'm doing nothing but voting him. There is zero chance of a town win if he's in this game. Hiraki is bar none the dumbest player ever to grace mafiascum. It's even better because he's scum. So here's my last post until he's lynched.

Unvote, vote Hiraki

lolwut?

U mad bro?

[shos]

alright, Nuwen, I have been investigating a LOT now about that hebrew piece and stuff, and I haven't found anything that can be related to the game whatsoever except for one theory. Can you please tell me what you found about it?

[shos]

and that is one of my problems with Uberscum. It feels like he's inventing cases which he does not believe in, in order to look contributory.

I stated that long ago, in addition to the cases being totally bad and foorced.

[shos]

+1 deadline ext. 1 week should do.

sorry for being alittle inactive, weekend does that, i need to read ninja's new spoilers yet.

[shos]

Still don't think Zar is scum; the case against him is pretty thin, and

the people on his wagon look like scum

.

How many of them?

Unvote: Yosarian2
Vote: Zar

(L-2)

pressure vote again I guess? *haha*

I fail to see any case on Zar.
it seems to me that Uberninja has tried to check Yos2 for scum couples and saw he had little interaction with Zar, and therefore concluded that Zar is scum. I have no idea why, tho.

This adds to my case against Uberninja.

[shos]

Furcolow, kanye, elmo - why are you voting Zar?

[shos]

I did not ask you, Uber. you gave me your reasons, I found them wrong/irrelevant. I want THEIR reasons, if they say they agree to your reasoning so be it, I want THEM to say it tho.

[shos]

@Nuwen - Hiraki is under no pressure and is not even close to a lynch, what are you talking about?

will soon get active back again, so I will reread the last few pages and comment now.

[shos]

unvote;
vote: zar

unvote vote zar

Vote Zar

Kayne not tunneling on me. I'll take it

And I'm saying Zar over Uber because yes

So once again, why are these votes there?
Furcolow hasn't provided ANY insights on his vote;
Kanye same;
Parama and Elmo - the hell?

So correct me if I'm wrong, since the others haven't provided reasons to vote Zar other than pressure, this post should hold the reasons for Zar to be scum.

Pirate Chiermosticada / Zar - Chiaro has some good insight on Zar in his replacing out post #498 (link is just above here), where he says "I don't like his cases on either me or UberNinja, seems to be tunneling hard and looking for evidence to justify his conclusions rather than the other way around. Scummy." <-- that right there isn't something one scum says about another. The end. Not scum together. This almost cements my town read on Chiaro and my scum read on Zar.
Zar calls Chiaro scummy and votes for him in 271. In post 326, Zar defends his voting of Chiaro, even though nobody has questioned it. In post 409, after I call him out on it, Zar says the he "decided to explain why I felt my vote was still good" randomly. Looool, scummy as fuck. Then in 685, he says "I still think the Chiaro slot (replacement included) fits the profile of low activity scum." but then NEVER MENTIONS HIM AGAIN. I am now 99% sure Zar is scum again.


Yosarian2 / Zar - Zar doesn't mention Yos until post 419, after I ask him what he thinks of Yos. "Townish due to his contributions" is the reply. Well, then. Yos also gets a town read from Zar in 862. Fantastic. After that, that's it. No more from Zar regarding Yos. It appears his modus operandi in this case is to call his scumbuddy "townish" after 400 posts, then "town" after another 400. Don't expect him to mention his scumbuddy Yos again for another... 200 posts or so. It's not time yet.
Yos on the other hand is even more ludicrous/awful: His first mention of Zar is SIX hundred posts into the game, in post 596, where he's listed as "town" with no explanation. In post

932

he says "Zar? Really?", chiding Vi for mentioning unvoting him (Yos) to vote Zar. Yos talks about people

suspecting

Zar in post 982, but doesn't say anything about Zar himself. And that's it.

tl;dr, Yos and Zar are scum together.

Vi is likely scum too. I mentioned reasons earlier. Somewhat less suspicious because of dissonance between Vi and obv-YosZarian-scum, but still very suspicious to me.

Yos is very likely scum, and very possibly scum with Zar. Post 378 feels like someone who's scum with Vi and Zar might say. One is town, one is not mentioned and falls into the "other people I don't have a read on at this point" area. That'd be perfect.

Zar is scum. No two ways about it. I'll eat my finest feathered bonnet if he's town.

Unvote; Vote: Zar

This can also be a vote for Yos. I prefer Zar at this point though.

So..let's start. post 498's insights about Zar are quoted above - and that cancels in UN's opinion the pair pirate/Zar. But look at the end of it -

This almost cements my town read on Chiaro and my scum read on Zar.

Why does that make you think Zar is scum? I mean, you just canceled the option of both scums; but why can't they be both town? or pirate scum/zar town? you said that this CEMENTED your thoughts, so it must be reallly big.

if it has indeed cemented the facts that obviously can't make through a couple like that, why did you keep working on that pair? it doesn't look like you've been investing too much time where it isn't needed - "I think bla is town so no".
post 271 - I don't see anything good/bad there.
post 326 - "scummy as fuck"? why? has anyone questioned MY vote on you that I keep pushing.? to the contrary - I believe people here tend to call others scummy if they do vote and do NOT keep pushing? in fact I believe it was YOU who did that this game? in fact in the next sentence you call him out for not saying anything about it again. but uh, didn't you say that it is scummy to say something about it if nobody questioned you? and that makes you 99% sure... :\

look, I am probably passively defending Zar over here, but my main goal is targeting YOU uberninja. I'm showing here that the cases you build are full of escargos. you have accused Zar in trying to make everyone look scummy, but really, there is nothing to it.

I'll continue.
you talk fluff about 419 with no opinion about it. Then...you complain about how they don't interact almost at all? The only good part in this area is that you made me get to this:

It's even more telling that UN is using Vi's suspicion of Zar to justify his own, even while he's voting for Vi. At least, I assume Vi is the person he's talking about when he vaguely says:

Because you are inventing reasons to suspect me. Just saiyan.

No, I'm really not.

You know how I know? Because I'm not the only one that noticed it.

But that makes no sense; if UN actually thinks Vi is scum, then why would he trust Vi's read on Zar? And I think even UN knows that he is on really shaky ground here, and that's why he's being so vague.

It really feels like UN is just opportunistically supporting any wagon he can that might save his own skin, even when they logically contradict each other; Vi gets a few votes, UN drops his town read on Vi and votes for her; Vi attacks Zar, and suddenly UN opportunistically adds Zar to his suspect list while keeping a vote on Vi.

You're so full of omelettes that I want to cook you up and eat you.

which is completely unrelated, but Yos's post is a very good catch which I probably failed to see earlier, and your response is wonderful, as usual.

then your colored version of the post is really wired IMO. at least the Vi's part. about the Yos's post 378 part -

Yos, please post your reads on everyone in the game.

Quiford/Elmo is probably scum, you are probably scum. Parama is pretty iffy too. Nuwen, Vi, and Charter look town-ish, although it's too early to be too confident on any of them. Kanye looks pretty townish. That's the only reads I have so far, everyone else is pretty meh right now.

THIS is what you chose to mentioned along with the 'very likely scum'? and are you seriously SO SURE that you nailed all three scums day 1?

*sigh*
everybody jump on the UN votewagon..choo choo or something...I'm gettin sleepy.

[shos]

what's ITT? people keep using it ><
I'm not sure what you meant Vi, but uh, if it wasn't clear, I do not agree with the thought of you being scum, the contrary~ But that post was not about you, it was more about Zar and UN.

@1082 - gut doesn't work with me. if it felt bad to me I'd say it, but it doesn't. either way, you have a much, much larger amount of titbits where my gut says you're scum. you have posted so much in this thread, and I'm sure that anyone who will ever ISO you will think that too.

I do not switch to Zar; but even if he does flip scum, I will not shut up the reason is that I'm not pushing towards a Zar-town stance, I'm just discreditting YOU when you say he's scum.

[shos]

well yes he has, I haven't put my mind to it; but it's more or less as satisfying as Uberninja's to me, so I will ignore it as well. discreditting Kanye will come after Uber flips scum. the two highest scum reads on my page 19 analysis stay *_* me so consistent *is an angel*

coming to think of it, I have quite tunneled UN since that time. well at least I have a good reason to

and of course Vi looks the best there. his vote was obviously a pressure vote and not a hammer-willing vote. it's like this one:

Oh, like this?

Unvote: kanyeknowsbest
Vote: shos

(L-2)

oh man was I naive

next best on the wagon would probably be Furc, but that's just because the others are worse. in fact, maybe Elmo; I've come to think new stuff on furcolow lately, so he went down in the towndar, and I don't remember my thoughts on elmo gonna have to make even more rereads -_-

holy crap ninja by Hiraki, I'll see in a sec

[shos]

@UN: I do not have a good, solid, read on him. stop avoiding me.

[shos]

You're not responding to ANY thing that I am aiming at you.

[shos]

kay, thanks, finally some response.

about 1.
that joke may indeed be a nervous scum joke, but I usually don't like using such 'tells' to condemn. it's more of a gut feeling to me, like noting a man's tone and stuff, which definitely may be a legit tell but in this post it isn't enough for me. What other two tells are there in that post? I can't spot any, and I do want you to mention stuff like that, don't disregard me~

about 2.
ignoring a person does not make you scum; you really may just not have anything to say. I don't remember saying much about elmo in like, well, since he replaced in, for example. You did not become the head of his radar once you called him scum; yes, he did react quite a bit in post 409, but the vote on you came in post 576, with what I see to be good reasoning. that is not OMGUS; and I am not the fool following. I was the one who GAVE the case about you; and playing survivvalistically is not something I see as scummy at this point. Think about it this way - you have three days to lynch, and the options are a lynch on you, which you know is town(hypothetically, right? I still believe you're scum hehe), or someone else, who may or may not be town/scum. obviously voting the counterwagon is the good option, I think. you can call me stupid or newb for saying this, but hey, if I'm about to be lynched and there's another wagon like that, I'd def vote it.

3.
I'll divide this to the first 6 and the last one. the first six - are all compiled together to one accusation of 'he is actively lurking'. It's scummy, but after 1100 posts in the thread, I don't take it as a reason to lynch him at day 1. worst case that's a good compromise lynch, but even so, there's kanye~

about the random defense on chiaro - I have already addressed this. Town should not need to be prompted to give their thoughts. the contrary - SCUM would be the ones who hide info from town until they are asked about them or something.

4.
methodically ignoring? u english speak dat?...
I highly doubt a yos/zar scumteam, and that is the only case in which it makes any difference.

5.
I don't understand, lol. rephrase/examples? my english ain't that good too meh~

@1096:
I don't see any reason not to be happy for such stuff. Why would I care if scum are bussing? as long as we lynch scum, I'm fine. Then, we can analyse the wagon or whatever, one scum at a time.


ninja'd by Zar. will comment soon.

[shos]

well, I want UN's response to both posts.

[shos]

shouldn't claim be asked only upon intent to hammer? why is putting at L-1 claim-worthy?

[shos]

first stuff first:
1. what is a town dreamer?
2. there is so much info in the flavor - has anyone seen something that can help us?

I'll be back in this game immidiately when I respond to my other active game~

[shos]

pffft, that was a long post in that other game.

about the deaths:
elmo was the one who hammered UN. that was bad, I was going to start with him in this day. that kill got me totally confused. I'm probably going to have to make a big reread here to get my wits back on.
about UN, you guys will probably be interested in one of UN's other ongoing games, and there too, he was lynched day 1 and flipped town. that happened during this game's long night.

why are you guys voting Hiraki?

[shos]

nope, just interesting info. I was surprised to see the wrong flip, so I followed, and that's what I found. why are you voting Hiraki?

[shos]

On a reread of page 44, I find hiraki wierd, but definitely not enough for my vote yet. will anyone of you try explaining your votes?

[shos]

ah, I need nuwen's eye on the flavor. wonder if the fact that he was 'shot to pieces' has any meaning.

Mod: can we know what is a dreamer?

[shos]

outing yourself so early like that? *doesn't want to ask if you were 1-shot vig*

why did you vig him? And uh other PRs do not expose yourself yet.

we
A) don't know if Yos is telling truth
B) if you're a JK, don't know if you protected or prevented

Yos, are you scum trying to out our PRs?

[shos]

HOLY SHIT

VOTE: Hiraki
I'll explain tomorrow

[shos]

actually, I think that it is better if I say it before Hiraki comes, so let it be now.

I was able to send a message during yesterday, anonymous, to one person.
I really had no clue what to do with that. but then I came up with something, and I sent a message to Hiraki. I suppose that I am not allowed to quote, so generally, the message said something like,

I want scum to win, so if you are scum, vote uberninja and kill shos(cuz people seem to think he is town), or if UN is scum, vote Zar quickly without saying anything, nobody will complain.

Sooooo I wanted to test the reaction. as a start, he did not inform the town about recieving the message. that's (A). then, he made his long post, and voted Uberninja. that's (B). and now - scumteam's kill has been blocked? wonderful!! that means he tried to kill me. point is - in addition to the message, I was bulletproof yesterday as well. that's (C). So it all fits.

please don't tell me I made a mistake exposing myself ><

[shos]

...

Shos isn't lying.

By the way, your message also noted that I'm probably going to be lynched today.

Any reason for that Shos? I had two votes on me, none of which were you.

In addition, why the fuck would I say that I got a random message from someone when that someone could be scum? Your whole case is based off the basis that I knew the person's alignment. I didn't.

In addition,

Vote: Charter

you just replaced in, so you were completely null and that was probably the best test I could do. all the others already had sort of solid thoughts etc, so it might interfere - they can just ignore me and I'll get no info.

and did it indeed say you were going to be lynched? *goes to sent messages* no it didn't. first lie detected? O_o

and as for why - well kanye described it somewhat - such a message could be valuable info to town. dunno - if you're town - why not?

and why the Charter vote?

shos: do/did you get notified that your bp soaked a kill attempt?

No.

...

Shos isn't lying.

Then why did shos wait when he could have sprung this weeks ago?

And for that matter, why did shos challenge the wagon three times on the last page before posting this?

lol, that HOLY CRAP was the time when I figured it all out. took me time, lol. I challanged the wagon because Hiraki really didn't post much, so I didn't remember anything good or bad about him.

Have fun Zar.

furcolow: have you seen anything new with the map? did you see the last line of the flavor about 'moving in time' or something?

[shos]

what do you mean? is that like some sore of info you got from your role today? and what does that flag mean..and which colors were they?

ninjad: any insights about the flavor Vi? and what doesn't add up/look genuine to you in my posts? O_o

[shos]

@Vi - that statue is in floor 1 room 3 - in the map provided, that room also has some other thing that is too tiny for me to read. what's written there? it's at the buttom part of the floor map.

[shos]

...

Shos isn't lying.

By the way, your message also noted that I'm probably going to be lynched today.

Any reason for that Shos? I had two votes on me, none of which were you.

and did it indeed say you were going to be lynched? *goes to sent messages* no it didn't. first lie detected? O_o

Also, this.

Nope. He twisted my words. I said "probably going to be lynched" that's not "going to be lynched" you're missing the subjunctive part of that statement.

It also doesn't say that you are 'probably' going to be lynched. it does not say anything about you at all, except that it is unlikely that anyone will target you in any night action.

[shos]

And more to the stuff I care about, I am incredulous at the concept of you clearly and consciously setting up a trap for Hiraki as soon as he replaced in and then not realizing it was sprung.

But since you're saying Hiraki is lying about the content of his private message, and Hiraki is saying there's an embellishment you're denying in said message, this sounds like 1v1 material to me.~

@kanye: We should definitely massclaim, but I don't think it should happen Today.

@Vi: it took me exactly two posts to realize it was sprung in case you didn't notice. Quotes are in the spoiler:

Spoiler: quotes

why the fuck would they kill elmo.

They didn't. I vigged him.

Which means that the actual scum kill was prevented somehow. If there's a town roleblocker out there, it's very likely that whoever you blocked last night is the scum.

outing yourself so early like that? *doesn't want to ask if you were 1-shot vig*

why did you vig him? And uh other PRs do not expose yourself yet.

we
A) don't know if Yos is telling truth
B) if you're a JK, don't know if you protected or prevented

Yos, are you scum trying to out our PRs?

yeah thats actually what i figured.

hey shos. hes telling the truth: a 1-1 trade isnt worth it for scum.

HOLY SHIT

VOTE: Hiraki
I'll explain tomorrow

Hiraki is scum, that's why.

I would be down for a name/flavorclaim at least.

Wouldn't giving the names of the roles count as quoting the mod?

MOD: can we tell the flavornames of our roles?

[Yes.] - spring

[shos]

A) what do you refer to as first two parts..? and I'm not following the point there
B) I have no idea what scenarios can have that. I wrote in the message something like 'assume I am scum' or something like that. I also have no idea what Hiraki would or would not do - he basically said almost nothing through 48 pages of game, so why should he fear..?

also, if what I suggested is not what realy has happened, that means a kill was prevented on someone. nobody claimed anything about it, and as I said, the UN vote along with the fact that he failed to inform town about the message(actually, the fact he concealed it is much more pushing since UN *was* scummy so that might be just a coincidence) made me think it is much more likely.

[shos]

back from shower - mod confirmed quickly

then I am totes for claiming our role names.

[shos]

no were not claiming role names today, thats stupid. what might be a good idea to claim is the flavor name (ie "Endymion in Diane and Endymion by Jean-Jacques Pradier" for elmo, "A Statuette of Pazuzu" for uberninja)

at the very least i would like to hear yos' flavor name.

that's what I meant~
and I am kinda agreeing with that will of yours.


@Yos: I figured everyone has french-tasted flavor names, since it's the louvre and stuff..?

Some kind of French police inspector.

please tell me you haven't just roleclaimed.. it was you who had the vig so..

[shos]

@VI: since he specifically mentioned that white isn't a color - maybe it's another flag? Germany for example? perhaps a different-country part of the museum?(like english drawings)

[shos]

anyone noticed how all the letters in the newspaper in post 1120 b the mod are censored, except the relevant line at the bottom and..something about a new film? do you think it's some hint hidden there? :0

how comes it's the 1800's if there are sitcoms? sitcoms=TV=after world war 2.

[shos]

yes well, when you're hearing a lecture you don't want to hear you have some spare research time.
here are the links for the pictures the mod used:

http://s16.postimage.org/dxh0sxf0l/mona.jpg
http://s9.postimage.org/dd6wp5yen/champ.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/8fb8hy38v/louvre.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/nj9clrikt/crime_1.gif
http://s9.postimage.org/j92rt6o6n/Journal_2.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/jqh5lncnj/journal3.jpg
http://s16.postimage.org/4sbnnafkl/clue_3.gif

I really didn't get anything in the last hour or so. Nuwen - please do tell what you found out about Baal Peor?

[shos]

Yes I tried to connect the dots between the murders, the roles/rolenames we know and the place the murders happened in the museum - otherwise, why would the mod tell us that the kill was performed in room 33 ground floor? I'm positive we're missing something =\
if Hiraki is on your shitlist, vote him. my gambit wasn't a foolproof scum-outing of course, but the coincidence in hiraki's behavior...do you think they really are coincidences?

[shos]

because what it told you to do is beneficial for you, and because the message said that it comes from someone who has the same goals as you?

[shos]

that's where the 'maybe' part comes, lol. you can either believe the writer, or not. in my opinion - in the light of the consequences - you believed, when you shouldn't have.

[shos]

...what?
first of all, scum *always* have a QT.
second, I did not say I was scum in the message - I said 'pretend that I have scum motives' or something like that.
third, even if I *were* scum and what you're saying is true, how does that 'admit' that scum don't have a QT? the message was delivered to you AT DAY. if I were indeed scum, it only 'admits' that scum don't have daytalk.

[shos]

no I am not saying pretend that I am scum, I am saying that MY MESSAGE told you to pretend that the sender wants scum to win.

[shos]

I'm not following your point. I don't know what a traitor is, never played an independent; but why is "shostown setting a trap to newly replaced" not fitting here.?

Also, I am 'Le Artefact'.

[shos]

Also, I'm the Louvre's mummy.

Mommy I'm sick, make me tea

ahem, anyway - I really am sick, and something *might* happen tomorrow that'll make me LA for a while, 2-3 days tops. may also just be a couple of hours, long story~

[shos]

so apparantly I'm too sick to even go to work now, so I'm not going to be VLA~

anyway, furcolow, yes we are~

and you guys need to stop playing like it's RVS, lol. what's up with Katsuki? Kanye? Yos? Zar? you gone silent for som uch?

[shos]

The flavor in Hiraki's vision claims can really only be understood in one way: Yos dropped a French medallion at the scene of Elmo's viggin', which fits with the flavor of Yos' nameclaim. Hiraki has NO incentive to reveal this information as scum. He could have stayed silent, said ANYTHING condemning about Yos.

So, I decided to go check out Elmo's crimescene some more.
I inspect the glass and find a medallion. Suddenly, because I picked up the medallion, I receive three visions.
The murderer had this medallion before, as he dropped it after he committed the murder. A vision of a tricolor flag(white isn't a color bitches) And finally, a man cutting his cape and muttering the word Martin.

Yos' name is Françoise Dupont.

So uh, the 'murderer' is the vig, Yos, who had the medallion before..how does that fit with his nameclaim? what is the relevance?
Hiraki may as well just be inventing stuff, you know. there is nothing that can confirm what he says. we've already noted how he invented the 'white isn't a color' part of his vision. in fact, Mod said he shan't answer the question about it, not approve OR disprove. perhaps that is because it is all made up?

@hiraki: when you said 'So, I decided to go check out Elmo's crimescene' - what did you mean? is that some role of yours that has the power to visit crimescenes and find hints? why did you add the 'white' part if that was just your opinion?

[shos]

"White isn't a color" reads like a spergtastic reaction, in the same vein as people who go out of their way to argue to argue that simple addition arithmetic are not absolute values because other base number systems exist.

The French flag IS called Le Tricolor. Like, that's the historic and colloquial name for it in the same way that the American Flag is called Old Glory. Hiraki himself doesn't seem to be making the connection here, which reads all the more like clueless town. The paraphrase of his visions pretty much verifies that Yos (Françoise Dupont,

French

police investigator) was at the scene of the crime. This lines up with Yos' claim to have shot Elmo. Hiraki, as scum, has no reason to add credibility to Yos' vig claim if he's scum. He would be interested in laying dis-credibility to the claim or outright ignoring it while the town speculates on whether Yos is claiming his shot at an SK etc.

The fact that Yos came forward and claimed his shot speaks of a town motivation to me.

Behind all the fucking red herrings in this game, THERE'S STILL A POTENTIAL GUILTY OUT THERE.

IF YOU ARE A ROLEBLOCKER, YOU PROBABLY HIT THE SCUM KILL AND SHOULD ACT ACCORDINGLY

.

as a start, why didn't you say it earlier, about the fact that 'le tricolor' is the name of the flag? I had no idea about it. generally, this means that the vision merely confirmed the claim that Yos has killed elmo - which nobody even considered discreditting, last I remember. the only thing that is NOT related to that is the name Martin.

so what are you saying? that makes you think that Hiraki is town?

[shos]

ITT:

Nuwen insists that this is a flavor- and power-role game.
Nuwen completely misses that the visions say considerably more than "Yos2's role is French" and shamelessly buddies to him. (which, if I notice buddying at all, it has to be pretty shameless)
Zar pulls out completely unnecessary vote count analysis to simultaneously throw Nuwen's name out as a suspect and then conveniently ignore her in the analysis.

so are you talking about Nuwen-scum or about nuwen-town who is being attacked by Zar-scum because you voted him?

[shos]

Hiraki - stated above. no associative tells. Other then that - will reread more when others start getting active again.

[shos]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1

prods..or activity...anything...please...

[shos]

unvote;
vote: Zar

let's do me vs. you today, bub

also Zar I'm going to go ahead and say I'm not going to be buying your fakeclaim

please explain?
either way you're not a lynch candidate hehe, so it's mostly Hiraki v Nuwen.

I'll respond to the case on Nuwen after he does.

[shos]

I'm not saying that Hiraki's claim makes him mod-confirmed town, but I do see a much stronger town incentive than scum incentive behind claiming what and how he did. Double-plus so after Yos had a VOTE (Furclow) on him and a scum Hiraki could have done the exact opposite: kept his mouth quiet and waiting to see if a wagon formed. The assorted people voting for Hiraki haven't actually commented on this piece, but have instead resorted to calling me scum with Hiraki?

furcolow's vote was so negligable that I really don't see how this helps you. moreover, there definitely is a scum incentive to do that. firstly, sharing any power-role-information you have gained with the town is townie, so doing that just might get some people to give him town points. Next, would be the fact that nobody even questioned Yos' claim, so the first two visions really don't add anything to the game. next there's the fact that you completely ignored my theory about Hiraki inventing those to appear town; what if the third one is completely made up? you didn't even consider Hiraki lying. especially after the fact that he was taking fire; so sitting back won't do anything. after my claim about the message I sent him and everything related, and him making up stuff, you really think that if he stayed silent, Yos would be the lynch instead of him? what real case has furcolow had about Yos that would make it such a viable lynch?
in other words, I think that in addition to what people have said, the fact you're either white-knighting or just protecting your buddy with really bad reasons - you're scum. The possibility that you two are buddies exists, but the opposite can just as well. you just passed him on the scumdar; when you flip scum, I'll do my reconsiderations about Hiraki.

UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: NUWEN

THIS VOTE IS L-1 PEOPLE, if you have intention to hammer say it and ask for a claim, don't do it.

[shos]

And you don't think Nuwen is Hiraki's buddy? I think it's pretty obvious she is.

o look, lol @ dat

[shos]

A) not only;
and B), the reasons are definitely NOT logical, red my post 1285 above. do you think I am wrong?

[shos]

Uberninja's wagon is less valuable BECAUSE he was so inherently scummy with every action and every word. I don't care that you claim to have a magical town read on him early and consistently; imo a town read on Uberninja in response to his D1 play is either inside information. Or maybe you're just better at mafia than everyone else in this game, Vi. All hail!~~

He's obv. newb town that thinks he's godly

like I used to play with him

just not so crappily

are you talking about UN? whom you VOTED?
or perhaps about Vi? who is apparantly the newbest evah onsite?

[shos]

I did.

vote shos

i need to check a thing.

??

[shos]

Day 2 votecount 5

(0) Katsuki:

(3) Nuwen :

Vi, charter, shos,

(2) charter:

Hiraki, Furcolow,

(1) Hiraki :

Parama,

(1) shos:

kanyeknowsbest,

(4) Not voting :

Yosarian2, Katsuki, Zar, Nuwen

With 11 players, 6 votes are required to lynch.

why does charter has votes on him? and more importantly, why do both Nuwen and Hiraki have so few votes? I'm up for lynching any one of them, but wasn't it like 5-3 earlier? how comes it is now 1-3? :\ I understand only the L-1 unvoting~

can I get opinions of people about the trap I set to Hiraki?

[shos]

boy is this game alive during the weekend..

Katsuki, care to shed some light on your thoughts?

Vi, what's with post 1323?

[shos]

lol, my PC has officially, LITERALLY BURNED ITSELF. so now I'm on the laptop.

Parama what do you think about Nuwen? I agree that hiraki is scum, but you don't seem to be contributing.

[shos]

kats are you going to cooperate or just bluntly troll town till you're lynched?
if you don't wanna cooperate at least vote nuwen

[shos]

scumteam={katsuki, Hiraki, Nuwen}

case closed.

[shos]

okay, is there anyone who doesn't think my case on Hiraki works?

prod nuwen?

[shos]

I would be interested in your thoughts about teh flavor.
also about Hiraki.

do you guys remember when someone mentioned how having many few-vote-wagons is against us..?

[shos]

I agree with Vi.

also, I think I've said this befoer already - you are probably the only one who I know already what he thinks, so that's aimed at everybody else..

[shos]

Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

[shos]

Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

You are answering this. I will not relent on this matter.

Unvote, Vote: Shos

if you give me one town reason to let everyoe know what and which PRs town have, I'll answer. otherwise, you're just being stupid.
i can be a 1-shot, 2-shot, 3-shot, or perma BP; knowing this info can only be valuable to scum.

[shos]

I think you're reaction is more likely town, but I'm curious as to why you felt it was necessary to claim the BP after the missing kill? If anything, it was an opportunistic move to try and confirm yourself as town. What motivation does town have for claiming BP in that situation?

Unvote

hmm

Vote: furc

are you kidding me? read the freakin thread or replace out man, seriously.
After Yos said that it was the vig kill, I exposed the whole message-to-Hiraki-case, have you not seen that? to me it's 90% confscum at Hiraki.

why the vote on Furc?

[shos]

why the fuck would they kill elmo.

They didn't. I vigged him.

Which means that the actual scum kill was prevented somehow. If there's a town roleblocker out there, it's very likely that whoever you blocked last night is the scum.

HOLY SHIT

VOTE: Hiraki
I'll explain tomorrow

actually, I think that it is better if I say it before Hiraki comes, so let it be now.

I was able to send a message during yesterday, anonymous, to one person.
I really had no clue what to do with that. but then I came up with something, and I sent a message to Hiraki. I suppose that I am not allowed to quote, so generally, the message said something like,

I want scum to win, so if you are scum, vote uberninja and kill shos(cuz people seem to think he is town), or if UN is scum, vote Zar quickly without saying anything, nobody will complain.

Sooooo I wanted to test the reaction. as a start, he did not inform the town about recieving the message. that's (A). then, he made his long post, and voted Uberninja. that's (B). and now - scumteam's kill has been blocked? wonderful!! that means he tried to kill me. point is - in addition to the message, I was bulletproof yesterday as well. that's (C). So it all fits.

please don't tell me I made a mistake exposing myself ><

and go read the Hiraki-shos talk around that place; Hiraki made some 'mistakes' in addition there..

now why did you vote furcolow?

[shos]

Case on hiraki:

actually, I think that it is better if I say it before Hiraki comes, so let it be now.

I was able to send a message during yesterday, anonymous, to one person.
I really had no clue what to do with that. but then I came up with something, and I sent a message to Hiraki. I suppose that I am not allowed to quote, so generally, the message said something like,

I want scum to win, so if you are scum, vote uberninja and kill shos(cuz people seem to think he is town), or if UN is scum, vote Zar quickly without saying anything, nobody will complain.

Sooooo I wanted to test the reaction. as a start, he did not inform the town about recieving the message. that's (A). then, he made his long post, and voted Uberninja. that's (B). and now - scumteam's kill has been blocked? wonderful!! that means he tried to kill me. point is - in addition to the message, I was bulletproof yesterday as well. that's (C). So it all fits.

please don't tell me I made a mistake exposing myself ><

...

Shos isn't lying.

By the way, your message also noted that I'm probably going to be lynched today.

Any reason for that Shos? I had two votes on me, none of which were you.

In addition, why the fuck would I say that I got a random message from someone when that someone could be scum? Your whole case is based off the basis that I knew the person's alignment. I didn't.

In addition,

Vote: Charter

you just replaced in, so you were completely null and that was probably the best test I could do. all the others already had sort of solid thoughts etc, so it might interfere - they can just ignore me and I'll get no info.

and did it indeed say you were going to be lynched? *goes to sent messages* no it didn't. first lie detected? O_o

and as for why - well kanye described it somewhat - such a message could be valuable info to town. dunno - if you're town - why not?

and why the Charter vote?

shos: do/did you get notified that your bp soaked a kill attempt?

No.

...

Shos isn't lying.

By the way, your message also noted that I'm probably going to be lynched today.

Any reason for that Shos? I had two votes on me, none of which were you.

and did it indeed say you were going to be lynched? *goes to sent messages* no it didn't. first lie detected? O_o

Also, this.

Nope. He twisted my words. I said "probably going to be lynched" that's not "going to be lynched" you're missing the subjunctive part of that statement.

It also doesn't say that you are 'probably' going to be lynched. it does not say anything about you at all, except that it is unlikely that anyone will target you in any night action.

also, if what I suggested is not what realy has happened, that means a kill was prevented on someone. nobody claimed anything about it, and as I said, the UN vote along with the fact that he failed to inform town about the message(actually, the fact he concealed it is much more pushing since UN *was* scummy so that might be just a coincidence) made me think it is much more likely.

The flavor in Hiraki's vision claims can really only be understood in one way: Yos dropped a French medallion at the scene of Elmo's viggin', which fits with the flavor of Yos' nameclaim. Hiraki has NO incentive to reveal this information as scum. He could have stayed silent, said ANYTHING condemning about Yos.

So, I decided to go check out Elmo's crimescene some more.
I inspect the glass and find a medallion. Suddenly, because I picked up the medallion, I receive three visions.
The murderer had this medallion before, as he dropped it after he committed the murder. A vision of a tricolor flag(white isn't a color bitches) And finally, a man cutting his cape and muttering the word Martin.

Yos' name is Françoise Dupont.

So uh, the 'murderer' is the vig, Yos, who had the medallion before..how does that fit with his nameclaim? what is the relevance?
Hiraki may as well just be inventing stuff, you know. there is nothing that can confirm what he says. we've already noted how he invented the 'white isn't a color' part of his vision. in fact, Mod said he shan't answer the question about it, not approve OR disprove. perhaps that is because it is all made up?

@hiraki: when you said 'So, I decided to go check out Elmo's crimescene' - what did you mean? is that some role of yours that has the power to visit crimescenes and find hints? why did you add the 'white' part if that was just your opinion?

Ahhhhh finally. Took me years to post this in my gfs iphone. Anyway-There ya go yos.

[shos]

and go read the Hiraki-shos talk around that place; Hiraki made some 'mistakes' in addition there..

what are those mistakes?

I don't remember them all by heart and haven't got the time to go through it now again, but read up. as a start he said something about the message saying that he'll be lynched which he completely made up and then said 'oh my bad', and then he invented something else I think, just read the thread dammit~ read only hiraki and my posts, that should do.

No one has really explained why scumHiraki would provide additional verification/credence to Yos' claim when Yos was the ONLY shot last night, other than "he's doing a suboptimal scum thing to appear town." He could have followed onto the budding Yos wagon as scum. Most important of all,

he could have said nothing

.

Comes as no surprise that two people calling Hiraki scum (Shos, Charter) are content to call me the buddy of Hiraki and try to lynch me first. This isn't scumhunting, this is forcing a connection a picking whichever side is wagon-able to vote. Of the two, I think Charter is more likely to to be scum. Charter also maintained a town read on Uberninja, which in this game tends to feel like defending-town-for-points-later type of stuff. He didn't try particularly hard to dismantle Uberninja's wagon in a way consistent with town defending a town read.

for the gazillionth time; nobody questioned yos' claim. as scum, I don't see any incentive for Yos to claim what he has. if he's town, then night actions are probably letting scum know there's a vig, so claiming may be an information for town, even if it means he'll die the next night. but once again it doesn't matter - nobody said anything against yos there, so the fact that Hiraki 'confirmed' Yosvig doesn't even tingle my tiny finger. it is completely null - it did not help town or add any new info. all he said in that vision is confirm that and add some red herring perhaps, with that Martin thing.

about your 'most important' - for the 10th time as well - I started accusing him of a very serious case BEFORE that 'vision'. so no, he could not 'have said nothing'.

about the fact that I'm voting you now - well generally, I've come to a situation where I'll just vote whichever wagon of the two is the largest, lol. I'm pretty convinced about you two, 99% about hiraki. the vote on you is more remains from earlier - but either way, if a hiraki wagon is going to enlarge itself, I'm gonna move on it just as well.

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

okay
vi, charter, shos, anyone else who wants to lynch Nuwen

Sign this petition saying that if we don't lynch Hiraki today you'll auto-lynch him tomorrow if he's still alive:
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thanks

[shos]

eh parama I forgot to answer you eh - I do want to lynch both, but after night everything refresshes anyway, so we'll see. if nothing too serious happens, Ill lynch that fo sure

[shos]

firstly, he did not 'perfectly describe' the Tricolor. He did not describe it at all, and in fact, described it wrong:

The murderer had this medallion before, as he dropped it after he committed the murder. A vision of a tricolor flag(white isn't a color bitches) And finally, a man cutting his cape and muttering the word Martin.

. also be noted that the thing about the white - that was later discovered to be his opinion in addition there, where he claims to have paraphrased the message. (in case you dont' know, Le Tricolor according to wikipedia is blue/white/red. this means white *is* a color 'bitches'. Also, the name 'tricolor' was in the message, he did not invent it to give the proper name, even if he didn't know the meaning of it.

His claim did not change ANYTHING at all in the game. so why wouldn't it make sense? all it did is confuse people here.

the fact that he ignored a wierd anonymous message doesn't make him scum. But, the events in the game fit the next scenario:
he gets a message, supposedly from a scum-spporter, with instructions to vote UN to lynch and kill Shos at night. He then doesn't tell the town about it at all; votes UN, and in the morning there is only one kill including a vig kill. meaning aanother kill was blocked - but nobody claims to have blocked a kill, so..who knows, maybe he also listened to the other advice and tried to kill the then-BP-shos, which resulted in a no-kill.
Then, he agrees to everything I say (except him being scum) and gives a 'vision' which tells us literally nothing of importance or use; making a very specific sidenote about the color white which appears to be faulty; and on top of it, makes more than one 'mistake' in reading the message I sent him yesterday, trying to blame me.

The other reason is - I'm really not sure what would possess you to

imagine

highly incriminating things about shos' message that turned out to not exist.

why on earth am I not voting him~
UNVOTE: Nuwen (so far)
VOTE: Hiraki

[shos]

I shan't answer Hiraki's question as I shall neither deny nor confirm that the word 'tricolour' is part of my vocabulary.

has anyone noticed how this post has been edited quite a while after it has been posted?
the original message was

I shan't answer Hiraki's question.

this supports my POV that Hiraki just made up that whole vision. this means that mod never used the word 'tricolor'. HIRAKI IS LYING.

can anyone give us some list of all those who FlavourNameClaimed and those who didn't?