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Colo scum
Liar. Did you forget I was in this?
In post 80, Ms Marangal wrote:I'm fair sure there is some kind of saying that goes something along the lines of "The expertise of the pupil is reflective of the masters Skill"In post 73, Generic wrote:Wow, ask a guy a simple question and he quits!
Well I see only one obvious chainsaw which was mara, one over the top display with voting nacho which is shadowed, and bald eagle placing suspicion on nacho without reasons...
So at best I count 3, and even that's a reach... Where are these 5 people chainsawing for empire?
Early opinion is I laughably nailed down the first scum by accident in RVS, and since then one over reacted to nacho and the other overreacted to me and nacho.
Mara, empire and shadoweh is my early call, and if that's right then they are in serious trouble early on because of how easily all three overreact.
I learned everything from you, my scum game and my town game so, considering that you think that I would make myself so incredibly transparent early on, react this way to my buddy as scum, as well as potentially out myself this early on might say something about you...
at you also know my tendencies as scum better than most of the people here and, you know that, instinctively, I tend to bus so calling my action a "blatant chain-saw" is amusingly strange.
My vote was Naked for a reason, I might have had a good reason for doing it, I might have not but you coming up with possible reasons I could of had has a real distinct smell of Scum already looking of ways that they could cover their tracks.
I could have given a reason then, but Baiting you on giving your own reasons for why your actions are scummy, and why you think I do certain things would give me way more information from you
Hmmm?In post 78, Nachomamma8 wrote:Probably not, but that doesn't surprise me all that much. YOU not having anything but fluff to contribute is slightly more concerning.
You didn't seem all that concerned when I had taken a while to actually post something worthwhile. I had spent the first couple pages of that game Trolling and writing up shit worths of stuff and you never took a second glance towards me
In post 113, PeaceBringer wrote:also a bit scummy. # of games played is irrevlevant. FYI I have been playing this game in one for or another far longer and far more games. Whoopie do dah day. Start trumping your history over nothing to try and give self cred...In post 100, Generic wrote:Assumption. I've played over 60 games across three different sites.
13 man game, 2 would mean scum need a minimum of 5 mislynches to win, if it was 4 mafia then they only need 3.
And I've been mafia in 3 out of the 4 completed games on MS, I think I got a grasp on how you guys split these things.
If you break down why we can discuss it, otherwise this is just a sweeping statement.In post 112, PeaceBringer wrote:this is a post that rang alarm bells in my head upon readingIn post 103, Generic wrote:If you insist on trying to meta me desp, shitty jokes mafia in little Italy and duck duck goose mafia in Central Park I was also mafia.
Only completed town game I have is bad idea micro, but it's awful for gaining information from cos I forgot about it got two day phases, returned to shoot a town player immediately before forcing the lady scum to commit in game suicide...
Best bet for deciding if im town or scum is to see firstly whether the cases I have made make sense, and then are they loaded with misrepresentations/steering questions.
Once again I return to shadoweh claiming I was making a case based on knowledge of mara... Again you will find its mara attempting this.In post 115, Ms Marangal wrote:Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
No, My suspicion came right when I voted for you otherwise I wouldn't have done so, but you trying to paint that naked vote as scummy before I explained it made that suspicion stronger. as did you pre-planning every little attack you would have on a person
and yes, you are playing your cocky game. You also played that game in my open.
My argument isn't my Meta, it's what you should expect out of me based on what you know and what you've based your attacks on me so far and how they don't jive. also, instead of answering it, you just throw out more questions.
You're attacking me "Pocket scum-tells" that town very easily commit and aren't even scum-tells to begin with (Naked voting, OMGUS?, resistance to giving reads) without even looking at the mindset of a player.
You're playing the victim while doing your share of calling people "anti-town or scum" when they even dare to question you. You've shot down the validity of any case anyone may have had against you by doing this
Shadow, you think Garan is scum? why?
Getting bored of getting caught in the lies yet mara?Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
I haven't been treating everyone who has argued against me as scum though. Only you and mara have I called actual suspects at this time, the rest (one other person) I have simply asked to expand on very vague sweeping statements.In post 123, Shadoweh wrote:Every time you say 'him' I cry a little inside.
I don't think TheGarantula is scum. Thinking about it what I said isn't that solid a town-tell, but I don't suspect them right now.
Generic, perhaps it's because I'm biased, but I'm ignoring your arguments because I'm pretty sure they're wrong, and I'm fairly sure you're approaching this from a not-scum perspective. The problem is you're treating anyone arguing against you as scum by proxy. I don't mean to be insulting to Mara, but I don't think Mara is capable of lying as well as you're assuming she is.
First and last paragraph there Mara. You admitted to not having a legitimate reason for voting me (bad enough, but then you tried to dress it up that you did so you tried to impose a wagon on me with nothing to back it up. Only reason why would be to protect someone else or you see me as a threat). But in the last paragraph you say you didnt want to OMGUS vote... What do you call voting for the person voting for you then without a reason?There were several points that he didn't respond to like, me admitting that I might not have had a legit reason to place that vote and that I admitted that the current read I have on him now is based off his response to that vote.
Instead he goes to call me a "Mind-reader or a liar" Either way, it's already grounds to shake any credibility I have against him with out addressing it directly
He also stated that I "wanted" to vote him earlier, but I didn't want to be called out for "OMGUS"
Exactly what I've been saying all along. your only in game point s out me was a misrepresentation in the exact same vain you are correcting pb on.I speculated colo might come into our game. Who wouldn't given our old dynamic. But your case brought to me (eventually) is you telling people this is my scum game, you referencing offsite games and lying about them and the only occasion you mention a game relevant thing I apparently did you were wrong there too (claimed I jumped on shadoweh when he over reacted to me without me needing to name him).
I thought I would need to refer to mara from the purple days, haven't needed to given you are scum slipping under pressure.
So based on this guarantee you are making that when you say I'm scum I always am, you base that on what? Games external to here? So nothing to do with this game or even this site where info is readily available. Convenient.In post 152, Ms Marangal wrote:This is what I originally posted Generic.In post 115, Ms Marangal wrote:Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
Where do I state that I always catch you out as scum? I didn't, I stated that, every time I have a scum-read on you, you don't have a town-wincon. You are some kind of scum
I know what jester is, and 3P is still a scum role
I have never scumread you when you had a town wincon, that is what I said
You changed the meaning of my statement
and you once again stated that I don't have a case on you, I do and you admitted such earlier
and you are still aiming on shooting down any credibility my statements against you have
that's scum-intent right there.
What misrep?In post 158, Nachomamma8 wrote:These reads are pretty damn weak considering information in thread so far. Garg picking up on me feeling differently from what he's used to IMMEDIATELY was town as fuck. His attempt to involve himself in that fight that you seem to be avoiding was town as fuck. Shadoweh is cool probably town and all but you know there's no real reason peacebringer is scum and you know that ignoring the fight completely is bad bad bad. I'm willing to throw double-down on peacebringer being town and feel fine in calling empire town (he won't hide from me forever), and as of right now, feel pretty fine calling marangal town and generic scum.And it surprises me that you don't even get any paranoid vibes from him tunneling the fuck out of someone in the early gamewhen that's exactly what he did in red wedding, when he's sitting back and chuckling at Mara lacking a case on him-scum when they have some history together and you know cases don't really need to be talked about when they have history together. Desperado has a slow start you also really aren't picking up on, and all the while it's this gorgeous, gorgeous fight going on that's generating this good information that you want to stop because you're being lazy/scum. Don't break my heart.
At worst mine was a misinterpretation cos that clearly reads to me she hasn't been wrong in reading my scum game yet. Putting aside I know she is wrong now it's a sweeping statement that you should trust her cos she is always right, which I called bullshit so how did I not dispute it?In post 115, Ms Marangal wrote:
Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
And for someone saying I'm dancing around points this here is laughable. You outright attack him as scum which you now claim was because the chance are he will flip scum, but having posted NOTHING but a comment that he will catch up when he can you have suddenly seen him as town.Empire is an easy nut to crack when scum. I want his entrance in the game to be as uncomfortable as possible in the chances as he does roll scum. He does look town at the moment, although I will say that it's weird as fuck he didn't pick up on me trolling him sooner, considering his familiarity with my meta.
You mean that post where I am requesting he votes for me?In post 181, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Doesn't this post just say "if you need to suck up to someone, use AtE" then you blatantly used it on shadoweh? or am i misreading it?In post 180, Generic wrote:No but calling someone town is. Who are you more inclined to listen to, the guy you argued with who saw you as scummy or the guy telling you how town you are to him?
AtE, creates bias in the reads on cases. It's why there is no point in arguing my lynch right now, people have a perception of either arrogance at my ability, or scummy by reputation. Only when I flip town does all that wash away and my motives become sincere.
Nacho to me (opinion based on previous interactions) has a lot of suspicions when town but here he is focused on the one snd very readily clearing players as town on day 1 without reasons why. And while I keep pointing them out he keeps avoiding answering.
Feel free to vote for me shadoweh. I have warmed to you anyway, When You stopped insulting me and focused on topic you were more sane. I'm happy to admit I hit you wrong early, but early suspicion will still be valid so I will watch the game unfold from the sidelines answer how you go after today.
But put the vote down, mara and nacho are screwed when I flip town, you guys need to just not let them weasel out of it with excuses.
I don't vote for myself ever. I have been scum hunting, so I will just cut the crap. I've made my cases, if you really aren't going to lynch me I will read the cases made by others. But my vote on mara won't be moving unless its to nacho on current game shape.In post 188, SXTLHGaiden wrote:At the very least, prove your worth. You say you need "4 more votes" but don't you really only need 3?
Either way, AtE is spewing from your posts, at least in my eyes. And, tbh, i'm not sure why people even use it. i mean, isn't it something people only do when grasping at straws. You make it seem like your lynch is inevitable when it is fact not. We still have nearly 2 weeks to sort this out, yet you have already resigned yourself to this fate. It's sad that a newbie like me has to tell you to stop the damn defeatist attitude. I see you have 2 options here.
1. Vote yourself.
2. Cut the crap and actually start scum hunting.
What I actually said which you quoted in that post was,please indicate one statement I have made where I distorted "Who" I said things to. Please.
And mara also answered this for me do I will quote her to probe it wasnt just me who saw you misremember WHO started the back referencing of another site which you called me on as part of your case.But you keep distorting who I said things to pb, is that deliberate?
Peace, Generic isn't scum because of his "building up cred". He's right, I was the first to bring up our relationship, people just picked up on him mentioning about it first but, there are several other reasons for why he's scum that doesn't have to do with that
On point 2 first, you got that wrong. My scum read on nacho incorporated a point that HE flipped from a scum read on you to a town read on you after just a prod dodge post. I never called you town during that entire event.@Generic: Please answer the following:
1) Why is there a high correlation between {your suspects} and {people who suspect you}?
2) In #63, you say you find some of my early posts forced. However, in #170, you make an argument that necessarily assumes that I am town as a basis for your scumread on Nacho despite the fact that I had only posted something tantamount to a prod dodge since then. What changed?
In post 297, Ms Marangal wrote:In post 145, Generic wrote:It's a shame you are deciding I'm wrong without actually reading what I'm saying. Not a lot else I can say back to that.These two points are, definitely AtEIn post 160, Generic wrote:If its gonna be me who is lynched through this nacho, can you promise me something? When I flip town revisit lynching mara.
Cos her whole arguement falls on its arse when I flip town.
Your claim also had some AtE in it.
as for your IRL issues, I don't know whats going on, and I'm sorry for whatever is happening to you, but I'm not using that against you. I never was, and I don't want to use that as fuel against you. In that same token, I don't think it's fair for you to expect us to know whats going on, expect us to know how bad your problems IRL are. I have my own share of problems that I'm not bringing into the game, because the game isn't the place for that kind of thing.
No one pushed you to claim what it was you were exactly going through IRL
and even without your IRL issues, You have been playing the "Victim" card, Bert even brought it up. I'm not the only one who's noticed and yet, you havn't admitted to that.
You still havn't answered
I'll take the Post 63 comment. It's something decent, and one of the best, most legit, things you have stated all day.
You didn't answer the Dirty tactics Nacho is using, I want an answer to that because I don't see it
and you still don't tell me why me Using colo-stuff is Bullshit when you yourself was planning to do it because, it is the only relevant thing we have. This is our first game here, I havn't followed most of your games to closely, and even if I did I can't back anything up because there isn't any proof there. the statements I have made can be backed up if people are willing to sign-up and take a look at the games I linked, because I linked every single game we played in together.
I also didn't call you claiming scummy, I just asked why You claimed.
When your situations relate to your marriage, health of your children and work all in the same week then you can tell me how I should react. But if you were not referencing that I apologise for my reaction to you.In post 297, Ms Marangal wrote:In post 145, Generic wrote:It's a shame you are deciding I'm wrong without actually reading what I'm saying. Not a lot else I can say back to that.These two points are, definitely AtEIn post 160, Generic wrote:If its gonna be me who is lynched through this nacho, can you promise me something? When I flip town revisit lynching mara.
Cos her whole arguement falls on its arse when I flip town.
Your claim also had some AtE in it.
as for your IRL issues, I don't know whats going on, and I'm sorry for whatever is happening to you, but I'm not using that against you. I never was, and I don't want to use that as fuel against you. In that same token, I don't think it's fair for you to expect us to know whats going on, expect us to know how bad your problems IRL are. I have my own share of problems that I'm not bringing into the game, because the game isn't the place for that kind of thing.
No one pushed you to claim what it was you were exactly going through IRL
and even without your IRL issues, You have been playing the "Victim" card, Bert even brought it up. I'm not the only one who's noticed and yet, you havn't admitted to that.
You still havn't answered
I'll take the Post 63 comment. It's something decent, and one of the best, most legit, things you have stated all day.
You didn't answer the Dirty tactics Nacho is using, I want an answer to that because I don't see it
and you still don't tell me why me Using colo-stuff is Bullshit when you yourself was planning to do it because, it is the only relevant thing we have. This is our first game here, I havn't followed most of your games to closely, and even if I did I can't back anything up because there isn't any proof there. the statements I have made can be backed up if people are willing to sign-up and take a look at the games I linked, because I linked every single game we played in together.
I also didn't call you claiming scummy, I just asked why You claimed.
And considering I've just been through the points about sucking up to some, flipping reads at nothing and projecting things he has done in this game into my play and then labelling those actions scummy.
He expanded on every single one of those reads then referencing only the posts before that statement? Cos otherwise those are sweeping statements with expansions tagged on afterwards when there is more to work with.Garg picking up on me feeling differently from what he's used to IMMEDIATELY was town as fuck. His attempt to involve himself in that fight that you seem to be avoiding was town as fuck. Shadoweh is cool probably town and all but you know there's no real reason peacebringer is scum and you know that ignoring the fight completely is bad bad bad. I'm willing to throw double-down on peacebringer being town and feel fine in calling empire town (he won't hide from me forever), and as of right now, feel pretty fine calling marangal town and generic scum
Missed the word 'like' from the front of the paragraph starting with tammy.Don't like peacebringers posts cos he has resorted to just asking for expressions to be explained without then following up with some analysis in anyone. So feels like posting (albeit I'm sure genuine curiosity) to seem active.
Tammy, desperado, bert, shadoweh because in my skimming they have shown some nice measured anslysis. Even though some think I'm mafia, no confbias.
Like garantula but that's biased because he has been defensive of me.
Llarmable... I have a negative feeling towards, but again I think that's simply bias given my mood at present so I am simply see them as null right now, hopefully the more they post the more I will see the true person.