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ehh?In post 36, smargaret wrote: Broken Aquarium, care to explain why you're voting someone instead of just voting?-
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kinda think moz might not be scum speaking either. just looking too hard for somethingIn post 29, JKLM wrote:Hey look guys, we have a serious vote the 4th post of pg 2 woo hoo!
vote mozamiz
Trying to get a mislynch wagon as early as possible. Scum IMO but I know some people think that getting out of RVS early is a town thing to do so to each his own really.
But my own opinion would be that he's scum who wants to get day 1 over with as quick as possible~
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mnemonic...this seems like whiteknighting on your part. why so certain that peace is town?In post 59, mnemonicdevice wrote:Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.
I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?
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you must be pleased about thisIn post 80, mnemonicdevice wrote:Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.-
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why?
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guys, that combined with this
^ most townies react like... "why didn't you call out L-1 with your vote???" here, it seems like he's not that concerned.In post 80, mnemonicdevice wrote:Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.
and these posts where he's sticking up for others (really looks like whiteknighting):In post 30, mnemonicdevice wrote:Ugh... If it was anyone else I would vote this^ for it's annoyingness in RVS, but I know that that is just how he plays
i really think he is scum.In post 59, mnemonicdevice wrote:Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.
I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?
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we areIn post 113, Skelda wrote:I want to hear his explanation first, since I don't see his recent Unvote as particularly scummy. Why aren't you voting if you are convinced? Your vote does no good rotting in your hands.
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skelda, what do you think about his posts i linked...
post 30, where he says he would vote for JKLM, but he knows that's his posting style
as well as post 59, when he defends peace... when others were kind of getting their backs up at peace.
and post 61 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5341743
i know this is not a good argument... but i do that very thing as scum. whiteknight the people that town suspect.-
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not necessarilyIn post 116, Skelda wrote: And "interesting" is likely just a playstyle thing.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29969
look at ISO-
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Who? Why unvote and not vote or otherwise pursue these 'scummier' people?In post 126, mnemonicdevice wrote:Once I realized that there were more scummy people than him, I unvoted.-
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^suspiciousIn post 162, Hermy wrote:I've got to agree with smargaret here. When somebody is accused by only one person and becomes overly defensive, that's somewhat of a scumsign.
Skelda also makes me suspicious, but less. His fumbling around with that recent vote seems odd.
But at the moment...
VOTE: HonigBear
NB: I will be V/LA until Thursday>>Noted<<
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maybe explain? oh, you must be town now, for standing your groundIn post 181, mnemonicdevice wrote:None of my scummier reads deserve a vote yet. Just a little bit and I will vote. And explain. Maybe explain.-
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lolIn post 253, Garmr wrote:No Skelda he means he loves you -points to the diamond ring in MD's hand--
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no i firmly think Skelda is town, as well as JKLMIn post 265, mnemonicdevice wrote:My arguement was meant to steer everyone towards Skelda, not towards Peace, I am confused.
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i was sheeping JKLMIn post 270, mnemonicdevice wrote:You didn't answer why you switched so quickly.-
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UNVOTE: garmrIn post 272, JKLM wrote: I kinda forgot about him re entering into this game myself, so yeah he probabalyd eserves a vote better than you do. I kinda see it going two ways: he's trying to set up a town block on the first day or he's buddying hardcore. I think 4 times is a bit excessive to list a town tell on me in such short amount of time
Honestly gamr not to sound buddyish bit that's the best point I've heard this game, a lot of junk has been flying around at each other. Why are we not voting him?
vote Aquarium
And I don't see what you're saying on the last paragraph, be clearer. I still support a lynch in peace if it comes too it, she's on my top 3 scum reads
Although I think gamr you may be still on next once broken aquarium is dealt with
Idk that sheep wasn't something I liked either
VOTE: JKLM
yes i know i just said i had him as town.
but uh... JKLM, didn't you just finish voting garmr?
also whats with the "BA could be scum, or they could be trying for a town block" which is it? why even mention trying for a town block... when the result is to vote us?
kinda like, inserting doubt, yet not really meaning it.
i no longer have a town read on you
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We don't know many people in this game. Its made following and keeping up and invested harder on us. As a means of staying in touch with the game though we do try and keep posting, which may result in being a little repetitive at times. This also ties into where I was going with these:In post 272, JKLM wrote:I think 4 times is a bit excessive to list a town tell on me in such short amount of time
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i was sheeping JKLMIn post 270, mnemonicdevice wrote:You didn't answer why you switched so quickly.
Sheeping town reads when your scum reads are fading and you aren't invested isn't the worst thing you can do, also, the joke of voting peacebringer without any explanation was a little too good to pass up. I should note here that Garmr was our leading scum read once we got a little colder on the idea of Mnemonic scum. But no one else was voting for him and we didn't have the drive to make a wagon happen. This is another reason why switching with you was easy.In post 274, Broken Aquarium wrote:to be clear, the vote on peacebringer was not due to thinking they were scum. it was for added pressure though.
i wanted to see how they'd react. however..... you unvoted them... so, no real good there.
OMGUSing isn't a scum tell. Its an emotional response that all alignments do. Coming down off those emotions and also being gifted with that wonderful Garmr vote post to reaffirm our read on his slot made switching easy. (yes it was another vote for us, no that doesn't make it OMGUS)In post 284, JKLM wrote:Nothing better to solidify your scum status than OMGUS and then switching the vote again when you get called out on it.
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also, this is late in response, but caught this while rereading
i still don't see him as scum. his post here kinda reconfirmed that:In post 202, alienBRO wrote:
What don't you get? What do you make of his post here:In post 194, Broken Aquarium wrote:i don't get the votes on Honig....
In post 192, HönigBear wrote:Moz do you still think I'm town and if so why?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5357029
and it's in retrospect now, since i missed this question... but what honig said: you get suspicious of those town reading you ESPECIALLY when you are scum reading them.
i looked at your ISO, broalien, i don't think you have commented on honig since then.
what are your thoughts now?
(to be clear - i still think town)
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ah, nvmIn post 291, alienBRO wrote:Btw I have some ideas now that I'm backending with PA. We'll let you know how things turn out. Agreement from our last post set was that we didn't like how Hermy's been latching onto every available wagon at the drop of a hat, and we still think Honig is scummy.
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Like, read this and tell me he isn't either delusional or twisting everything to be negative. I didn't start scumhutning until 292? I was scumhutning mnemonic as early as 108. The rest isn't worth responding to or has already been explained.In post 296, Garmr wrote:@Broken Aquarium
Sheeping town reads with out explaining why you agree is pretty bad also you offered nothing new to the argument. You may argue the point about omgusing is a null sign which it can be. But when you act really emotional with out listing points then quickly remove it and say your a town read again in just a couple of post. That is when it turns scummy as hell when it becomes scummy. Also the fact JKLM says the mnemonic wagon looks scummy then you magically sheep him onto his next vote. Using Wifom scenario's aren't the best for defenses as well.
Also if I was your leading scum read why did you wait for someone else to vote me. Were you that afraid that it might backfire on you if you were town you wouldn't really have anything to lose by scumhunting. This seems more like a scum motivated reason than a town one. You made no indication prior either that you viewed me as scum.In post 292, Broken Aquarium wrote:I should note here that Garmr was our leading scum read once we got a little colder on the idea of Mnemonic scum. But no one else was voting for him and we didn't have the drive to make a wagon happen. This is another reason why switching with you was easy.
I like how you showed post 211 of Honig saying that's why you think his town. Just like when you asked me why I think Honig is town and I sent a link to that post. Oh wait that's a coincidence isn't it. Also doesn't it worry you at all that you just sheeped a reason off your top scum read.
Also you think I'm scum. where are your points you have failed to make a case against me. You haven't even mentioned a reason why you think I'm scum I guess you'll sheep those reason off JKLM.
Also you pretty much been fluffing all game. It took you till 292 to make a attempt scum hunting because you are under the microscope. Even then you offer no original reasons. Your defenses are paper thin as well you can poke a hole in all of them.
Also with now you want to answer alienbro's question. This looks like some cheap attempt to get the heat off you, It's kinda pathetic you know. There's no where to run now Broken Aquarium I'm not letting you wriggle out of this.-
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i disagree. there is something to be said for votes without reasoning, sometimes.
i remember nacho saying that to me before. and a few of the last few games, i've kinda been on a kick, where i realize that scum are the ones who want to over explain their votes. like, they have to overly justify it... to make sure it's rock solid.
did you see my post to HERMY? i explained why i voted him (JKLM). he votes you in 262, and then in 272 does a total 180. it was odd.
if you are town playing right now, you are focusing way too hard on this sheeping thing.
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yes.In post 324, PeaceBringer wrote:all that said, this pretty much is my last game obligation on sight then I am out of hear as this obsession with explanations and blah blah blah BS really does not pertain to finding scum, just a lot of noise imo.
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i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would sayIn post 329, PeaceBringer wrote:
want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.In post 326, Broken Aquarium wrote:how do you know to play? (curious)
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.
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so you think it's the town that initiates it?In post 332, Broken Aquarium wrote:Huge ass cases aren't at all site meta though. Haven't been for a long time for exactly what you said, too beneficial for scum when town expects structured cases.
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i can see that, cause when you use a reason.... it allows for others to break it down. when sometimes it's just gut. and picking it apart, is still something scum can do.In post 335, PeaceBringer wrote:
yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.In post 331, Broken Aquarium wrote:
i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would sayIn post 329, PeaceBringer wrote:
want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.In post 326, Broken Aquarium wrote:how do you know to play? (curious)
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.
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(not sure if that's what you mean exactly). but that''s what i find.
actually..chamber was saying earlier to me... that 'scum try to be logically consistent... whereas town, are emotionally consistent'
i thought that seemed pretty realistic. but, that looking for emotional consistency, can be somewhat hard-
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listen garmr.... i think the both of us are seeing you as pretty scummy right now.In post 338, Garmr wrote:In post 323, Broken Aquarium wrote:i disagree. there is something to be said for votes without reasoning, sometimes.
i remember nacho saying that to me before. and a few of the last few games, i've kinda been on a kick, where i realize that scum are the ones who want to over explain their votes. like, they have to overly justify it... to make sure it's rock solid.
did you see my post to HERMY? i explained why i voted him (JKLM). he votes you in 262, and then in 272 does a total 180. it was odd.
if you are town playing right now, you are focusing way too hard on this sheeping thing.
alright. your post that you liked mneumonic's post on Skelda. is that enough to make mneumonic town for you?
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Your focusing on the sheeping I have brought other points as well like how you got over emotional on the JKLM vote, the fact you didn't debunk any of my claims or the fact. Look at all my games I always explain myself extensively because I believe the more information you give out the easier you are to read. This is my play style through and you can feel free to look at my past games if you want. In my eyes my player style makes it harder for scum to hide and it seems to work for me. Also mnemonics still a bit iffy just you seem more scummy to me.
(i am having a FEW doubts, at this moment)... haven't mentioned that to chamber yet.
but.... the thing is... why are we going to explain ourselves to someone questioning us, that we think is scum??
ya ya... you said before, that it will allow others to see our point of view.
but really.... from my perspective... i can't argue against your point that sheeping is scummy.
all i can say, is that it IS NOT.
i don't even know what your other points are.. that need to be responded to?
uh... you made mention that i used the same point in honig being town, as you did? what else....
oh ya... that you thought it was weird, that on reread i caught alienbro's question and responded to it?
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