Mini 1522: AA - MFA (Game Over!)

[pieguyn]

vote Mac

[pieguyn]

oh no I've been caught

my only hope is to OMGUS

but then I can't keep RVS bussing my scumbuddy

what do @_@

[pieguyn]

fast and the furious power o/

vote: KA

[pieguyn]

I was sheeping Marquis because of fast and the furious \o/

@Mac: what are your thoughts on Marquis?

[pieguyn]

Why sheep Marquis and not glorious ffery/Nat hydra?

cause Marquis is awesome <3

not that you all aren't awesome too, but Marquis helped us get a perfect win in fast and furious even tho he lurked the shit out of the game and I'm damn proud of it :>

@TNE:

you're probably scum. discuss plz?

[pieguyn]

@Cabd, TNE: what are your thoughts on Sakura so far?

[pieguyn]

indeed.

I blame this new RVS strategy. I'm not too sure on how to do it right so that probably explains why some things seem forced @_@

Why ask me and TNE as opposed to somebody on your scumteam like ffery?

how do you know TNE isn't also on my scumteam? omg scumslip I win

[pieguyn]

if you expect to get any indication of my alignment from terrible reasoning, you're barking up the wrong tree my friend.

I can't see how this statement could come from a town PoV. can you explain why you said this plz?

[pieguyn]

Was continuing a discussion from the sign-up thread.

this seems really weird. why are you being so defensive about an RVS vote? mb as a not-so-serious post in RVS itself it'd be fine, but you seem to be seriously defending it. scared much?

[pieguyn]

What about that vote is defensive?

the fact that it was a RV. it's natural people are going to RV with weird reasons, so IMO it's defensive because you seem to be really taking it seriously. 0.0

not sure what you mean by reasoning, if that doesn't explain it can you elaborate plz?

what's your opinion on Kaze?

What strategy, and what was it's objective exactly?

wagon hopping. note how I hopped on Mac's wagon and then sheeped Marquis on his KA vote. it's objective is just like any other RVS strategy, to make shit happen to advance the game and make information pop up. I chose this strategy cause I wanna try out smth new for once

the fact that you're interested in this means you agree my posts seem forced, right?

what's your thoughts on TNE so far?

[pieguyn]

I didn't really care that he voted me. I was just giving him my reasoning for my RVS because what he said wasn't true.

exactly why I think you're being defensive. his vote was a RV just like any other, so why do you feel the need to say it's not true? it's not a serious accusation. 0.0

are you initially leaning town or scum on Kaze?

It didn't seem forced, exactly. You're a new face to me so I'm just trying to get some insight into how you think.

TNE? Not many thoughts. I liked the wagon sheep. You?

ok, I get you >w<

TNE looks like scum. don't wanna explain the reason yet :>

[pieguyn]

Me too! Let's be bitchin this game together, eh?

Start off by telling me who you're looking at for scum thus far

I thought you didn't like his reaction. how come you wanna work with him all of a sudden?

[pieguyn]

So you're saying I can't respond to it?

no, I'm saying it's not natural to have such a motivation to respond to it like that. it wasn't a serious vote, which makes me think since you defended against it you seem scared.

Right now, probably town.

do you attribute this mostly to him being his usual self here?

also, what's your opinion on KA?

[pieguyn]

Nah, his reaction is fine. I was just poking at him. I got nothin'.

so you disagree that it seems defensive?

also, who do you think is scum?

[pieguyn]

What is YOUR opinion on Kaze?

town

@Cabd, TNE: what are your thoughts on Sakura so far?

This lacks the verve you usually bring to the game.

nothing's really fkin happened yet. wait till something big happens and then I'll show up :>

[pieguyn]

how does it come from a scum PoV then?

it comes from a scum PoV because the wording in that post indicates you're trying to shield your alignment. he was trying to pressure you to learn more about your alignment and what you said explicitly implied you're not going to

let

that happen. there is nothing but scum motivation in that post. I wanna know why you said it just in case I'm somehow wrong here. nice dodge though

can you explain this, because I thought pieguy was megatown in touhou imperishable night and so far i haven't seen anything similar from him so far. quite the opposite in fact: if i recall correctly, he was more than happy to dish out his own opinion in imperishable night - here, he seems content to ask others and not deliver his own.

1. this isn't a scumtell. I haven't found anything major to jump on yet, so for now I'm asking these questions to try to get quick reads on people and/or solidify my own reads. why do you think this is alignment indicative?
2. wait and see :>

[pieguyn]

wait hold up

Also so far all I see from pieguy is pieguy being pieguy nothing alignment indicative, on the other hand i got a slight town lean on ffery/Nat, Cabd will prob take 3-5 more pages to figure out. Also got a slight scum lean on KA and Kaze.

if Mac/ffery are any indication, I'm not being myself in this game. do you disagree with them? if so, what makes this similar to my usual playstyle?

Though your reaction to it was very real! You seem a bit bothered, eh? :3

This felt fake for example.

it was fake. read the thread. why are you trying to push blame on him for smth like this?

I didn't see Imperishable Night but from most games I've had with him I remember him asking opinions on me, seems like he still has paranoia from his first newbie game where i was scum. If you think about it, it makes sense for him to ask opinions on someone he doesn't know how to read.

read it and see how I almost pegged one of the most insane scumteams ever :>

[pieguyn]

it's alignment indicative because it makes you look like you're doing something when you're not. i like the answer you've given here though. do you have any solid reads through asking for these opinions?

kaze town. probably the only substantial read I've got from questions so far, and I haven't formally sorted him yet, so it might be wrong.

are you willing to explain you're tne read? im afraid im not even going to try and read him at the moment. confidence shattered.

not yet sry :>

@Sakura:

what's your opinion on Brian?

@Brian:

what's your opinion on Sakura? also, plz give me your opinion on KA.

[pieguyn]

@Sakura: what's your opinion on Brian?

Null leaning Town, his play reminds me of Stacking the Deck, does it remind you of it? What is YOUR opinion of him?

I don't think it's similar, but I haven't seen much from him yet so that could change. atm he's leaning scum for the reason I pointed out previously.

and plz answer my other questions:

if Mac/ffery are any indication, I'm not being myself in this game. do you disagree with them? if so, what makes this similar to my usual playstyle?

it was fake. read the thread. why are you trying to push blame on him for smth like this?

[pieguyn]

What is YOUR opinion of him?

this seems like flow-going by trying to copy fferynati 0.0

[pieguyn]

Me too! Let's be bitchin this game together, eh?

Start off by telling me who you're looking at for scum thus far

I thought you didn't like his reaction. how come you wanna work with him all of a sudden?

Nah, his reaction is fine. I was just poking at him. I got nothin'.

nm found it.

What is YOUR opinion on Kaze?

also, why do you think Brian's play here is similar to Stack the Deck?

[pieguyn]

Meta townread on pie, won't explain it until I'm sure of it though; he's dropping one of the hidden pietells.

curious, if it's hidden why would you explain it 0.0 especially since on your wiki page it says you only out tells that are no longer effective, I don't get it

also, any progress on ffery?

[pieguyn]

I agree with this, i dont think it's that hidden tho.

I thought you said me being myself wasn't alignment indicative. why the flip flop plz?

also, Nacho isn't even in this game and there's no votes on Kalimar. can you elaborate plz

[pieguyn]

TNE what the hell

why didn't you call me out for keeping my vote on KA while scumreading you?

I could see you forgetting about it, but you used the exact same reason

in that exact post

v

So you're pretty much saying.

That you'd rather be on a random-wagon than a scum-wagon? What?

I said I was scumreading you and I never gave any actual read on KA. (for the record, KA was reading town for me the whole time) so using your own logic, I should be suspicious, since I'd rather be on KA who I never gave an actual read on, instead of you who I was actively scumreading. but you don't call me out for it?

also, why does Sakura's jump on KA make her scum, when you practically did the same thing? and if KA is suspicious, are Sakura and KA both scum?

this doesn't make any sense

even for you

T_T this whole thing seems like you're scum trying to look busy and not legitimately scumhunting

vote: TNE

[pieguyn]

1) Answer the thing with your playstyle.

no read the thread :>

3) But not sakura's Post #46 which looks like a "I'm voting X because of my own reasons. So you can't call me out on sheeping". Almost all the people I've seen do this flip scum, or just newb town. IDK why. I dunno why nobody has noticed. But they do. And she's not newb town no, is she?

that's a good point, tho I know town Sakura did this before. see: stack the deck where I got lynched D1 and she was one of the people on my wagon, and she had given extra reasons on top of the ones InflatablePie had given. I was scumreading her all the way till endgame and that was one of my reasons, so I dunno if this is alignment indicative for her @_@

2) I'm ok with the sheeping on Marquis.

who is this referring to? 0.0

[pieguyn]

and plz answer my questions

I said I was scumreading you and I never gave any actual read on KA. (for the record, KA was reading town for me the whole time) so using your own logic, I should be suspicious, since I'd rather be on KA who I never gave an actual read on, instead of you who I was actively scumreading. but you don't call me out for it?

also, why does Sakura's jump on KA make her scum, when you practically did the same thing? and if KA is suspicious, are Sakura and KA both scum?

[pieguyn]

1.

What strategy, and what was it's objective exactly?

wagon hopping. note how I hopped on Mac's wagon and then sheeped Marquis on his KA vote. it's objective is just like any other RVS strategy, to make shit happen to advance the game and make information pop up. I chose this strategy cause I wanna try out smth new for once

3.

3) You. Since you were reffering to the "I voted KA but you never called me out".

still doesn't answer my question. if anything it supports my point 0.0 my vote on KA was just sheeping Marquis, so by your logic, why would I leave it there when I supposedly had an actual scumread on you? I think you're scum and I'm voting someone "random".

[pieguyn]

hi Marquis who do you think is scum

[pieguyn]

1) It doesn't fit the things you did AFTER that

no shit, it was an RVS strategy so it won't apply anymore after RVS

3) You just added stuff to why I scumread you but can't really say because of new playstyle.
Good thing you pointed out the "I'm scumreading person but voting others".

so why the fuck didn't you point it out before then?

shit like this makes me think you're scum who's just making up reasons to suspect people as you go > <

[pieguyn]

KA just makes me feel sad

if KA makes you feel sad why do you dislike the KA wagon? 0.0

[pieguyn]

o ok

huh now that you mention it he was asking about a wagon on someone he thought was scum in the first place 0.0

what do you think about TNE so far?

[pieguyn]

@Kaze:

The sudden lack of wagonpush on KA makes me believe that either all the scum are on it already or scum aren't touching it. Not sure how I feel about either situation. Meh.

so you disagree that it seems defensive?

also, who do you think is scum?

Maybe slightly, but it's nothing alignment-indicative from Brian in my opinion.

The person my vote's on! ^^

explain this plz. you're talking about the KA wagon like it's a town wagon by saying scum are either all on it or avoiding it, but you think KA is scum? what's going on here 0.0

[pieguyn]

Many times this, I keep telling people to not obvtown me so easily or one day i'll end up surprising them.

first you say I still have paranoia from my first newbie game and now you say this? how do you expect people to read you at all then?

also, you agree with this implies you think I'm townreading you. where did you get the idea that I'm townreading you?

If you reread the sentence a couple times you can probably glean my meaning from it.

Rather, I'll save you the troubles: I was waffling between it being a townwagon or not.

but you thought KA was scum. what made you start waffling on him all of a sudden?

[pieguyn]

pie is probably town for ~probably~ sure

ohi I'm townreading you too. wanna beast this game together? <3

[pieguyn]

atm he's leaning scum for the reason I pointed out previously.

if you think my reason is incorrect why didn't you refute it? you just answered my question on KA but didn't respond to why I was scumreading you. 0.0

[pieguyn]

oh that's fucking great. it's in the exact post you quoted and you just happened to remove it from the quote. nice job there =.=

also, you agree with this implies you think I'm townreading you.

where did you get the idea that I'm townreading you?

TNE gave his reason for scumreading you, I said said reason wasn't legitimate. TNE said meta gets in the way of reads

2) Scummy things are still scummy things, IMO. Meta just gets in the way of accurate reads

you agreed with him

Meta just gets in the way of accurate reads

Many times this, I keep telling people to not obvtown me so easily or one day i'll end up surprising them.

IMO the fact that you bring up telling people not to obvtown you at the time when you agreed with this implies you thought I was townreading you.

where did you get the idea that I'm townreading you?

I never said you were townreading me, why do you think i said that?

nice misrep. I never said you said you were townreading me. I implicitly assumed based off the above you were, but I never said you said you were townreading me.

why did you say I said this, when I didn't?

[pieguyn]

you agreed with him

I agreed with the thing about Meta, this is because due to meta many people obvtown me easily. It's unrelated to you townreading me at all.

I just said I wasn't townreading you 0.0

also, plz answer my question

first you say I still have paranoia from my first newbie game and now you say this? how do you expect people to read you at all then?

[pieguyn]

Pie is getting more and more vitriolic as the game progresses. Anyone know if that's alignment indicative for them?

this seems like fence-sitting. do you think it's alignment indicative?

[pieguyn]

Uhhh non sequitur much?

I don't understand, can you explain plz

Having paranoia means you're using Meta, if you want to read me, then read me based on my actions this game, not based on my actions on other games.

ok why do you say this when I'm more than sure you've used meta to read me before? why the flip flop on meta plz?

[pieguyn]

How inquiring about your increasing aggression is related to being fence-sitty.

you pointed out my aggression without giving a stance on it. IMO there's a very real possibility you could be scum trying to look busy, without actually giving out their opinion on anything. and then that way you can also avoid possibly getting heat by giving out incorrect information.

Because what TNE said makes sense, people townread me too easily that it isn't fair and is one of the reasons why i stopped using AtE and being too emotional.

but you were referring to paranoia in that other statement, not what TNE said. how am I supposed to read you if when I point out possible scumtells on you you say I'm being paranoid and when I say that other things aren't scumtells you claim that's an invalid use of meta?

[pieguyn]

- No, those aren't scumtells, but if you think they are you're free to pursue that. Heck here's something i've read... Town is more waffly than scum, so if anything that's a towntell not a scumtell, what you need to look at is whether the change of reads or stances have a reason that's genuine or fake.

says I need to look at reasons
points this out when I attempt to find out said reasons

Ergo, if you think i'm being scummy don't hold it because of meta, I do like that you're questioning me tho, it helps me figure out whether you're really figuring out my alignment or force me to create a "slip" to push into a mislynch.

ok here's a new one. look at that last part. do you notice any similarity to past games in that last sentence?

remember how in stack the deck I pointed out a contradiction you made and tried to get you lynched cause of it? and I was town there? this seems like a really unnatural thought to have considering I've done the same thing as town before. I'd think you would remember this.

the fact that you "forgot" about this, combined with above, makes me really dislike this line of questioning 0.0

waffly.

how is that waffly? I'm pointing out I'm not confident in said read since I haven't formally sorted him yet. a lot of the time my initial reads end up being wrong so I don't wanna put too much faith in them until I do a more formal sort. however, it's the best I've got atm so I'm going with it

as for the fence-sitting, see my above posts, but I like his answer

[pieguyn]

@ffery:

you haven't been as much of a presence in this game as I'm used to. what's going on? 0.0

[pieguyn]

Except that's not a townie train of thought as you should've seen why the contradiction was made, not assume all contradictions = scum and go from there,

the all contradictions = scum method works for me, except on you as I've learned from that game

also I'm pretty sure that wasn't even your reason for voting me in that game

Aditionally didnt I say that I wouldn't be using your meta? why bring an old game of yours into this?

also, why do you think Brian's play here is similar to Stack the Deck?

I have the same feeling coming off from him, tho the only other game im comparing him to is Mismatched, but still... in mismatched and stacking the deck he played differently but the vibes i get this game is more of stacking the deck.

he's dropping one of the hidden pietells.

I agree with this, i dont think it's that hidden tho.

this doesn't seem like not using meta 0.0

even if you don't draw alignment from my meta, you're using meta on Brian. and it came from

the exact same game I was referring to

. can you explain why you're fine with using meta on him, but don't want to use it on me?

[pieguyn]

it still doesn't change the fact that you were selectively applying meta on Brian but not me

also, was it really just TNE that changed your opinion on meta? that seems really weird for me given it's such a major change 0.0

[pieguyn]

oh and happy birthday Marquis :3

[pieguyn]

selectively applying meta on Brian but not me

Except as it can be seen, I agreed with Cabd re: Your hidden tell, so i was aplying meta to you too.
Not liking this misrep tho.

you explicitly said it wasn't alignment indicative. so I don't count that an application of meta, since you're not drawing any conclusions from it. quit reaching ~

was it really just TNE that changed your opinion on meta?

Somewhat, but it's mostly due to the fact that I don't like being obvtowned without even trying.

you not liking being obvtowned easily made you stop using meta on others tho? can you clarify why plz cause I don't get it o.o

[pieguyn]

hell I even said this

this doesn't seem like not using meta 0.0

even if you don't draw alignment from my meta

, you're using meta on Brian. and it came from the exact same game I was referring to. can you explain why you're fine with using meta on him, but don't want to use it on me?

[pieguyn]

1. You being yourself isn't alignment indicative, i have other methods of figuring out alignments.

explicitly saying your "meta" on me isn't alignment indicative. this was also before TNE's post about meta 0.0

here's where you used meta on Brian

@Sakura: what's your opinion on Brian?

Null leaning Town, his play reminds me of Stacking the Deck, does it remind you of it? What is YOUR opinion of him?

[pieguyn]

I thought that's what you were referring to re: me being myself. is this incorrect? explain plz

[pieguyn]

By Hidden pietell it means it's a towntell that pertains only to you. You being yourself is null, but there are things you and only yourself do based on alignment and those are those tells that we were talking about.

so doing things I do based off alignment is different from me being myself? that doesn't make any sense 0.0 IMO it's not considering said tells are associated with myself.

Hey pie, stop arguing with scum and start voting for it!

but I'm already voting for another scum
and if I move my vote off him he's probably gonna lurk his way out of pressure ;_;

[pieguyn]

@Kaze:

what do you think of the interactions between me and Sakura?

what do you think about the whole "misunderstanding"? I'm having trouble figuring out if that was really her thought process or if she was BS'ing and had to cover for it 0.0

[pieguyn]

I promise I won't dayvig you this time o/

are you fkin serious. I guess I'll never know what the hell was up with TNE. for the record, I think it's scummy as fuck how he had the most blatant opportunity to call me out for having my vote at a weird place and then he didn't call me on it. IMO it seems like he was just making his reads up to look like he had to do smth. then when I pushed him on it his reaction ws weird. I'd think if he was legitimately scumhunting, he'd admit to missing it, but he didn't say anything like that. it doesn't seem town > <

Prod dodge ~ content in a few hours.

And?

was that ffery or Nati

My eyes honestly started glazing over around post 199 of the argument. But from what I understand, you're the one who's confused. Either way, you both need to chill. You're putting out a lot of noise and it's washing out the signal.

That said, I'm starting to wonder if your spat isn't a TvT situation. Sakura's indigence seems genuine, but it doesn't excuse her epic handwave of TNE earlier.

what do you think about TNE?

how do you like the chance of Sakura + TNE team?

[pieguyn]

ohi
answer this plz

@ffery:

you haven't been as much of a presence in this game as I'm used to. what's going on? 0.0

[pieguyn]

disagree. we can still use the info we got from TNE to get a better idea of SSK's alignment, since it's the same slot. specifically, I want your opinion on how TNE seems to be cherrypicking his scumhunting

By the way, pie, where is your vote? Still on TNE right? As it has been the whole time you've been arguing with Sakura? It makes me unsettled that the whole time you were pressing her you kept your vote on a slot that barely spoke.

I kept it on TNE to keep pressure on him, since I didn't want him lurking away from my questions

why is that unsettling? I wanted to keep pressure on multiple slots. I find my vote often doesn't match the person who I'm interacting with atm. if I could, I would have voted both of them, but I only have 1 vote.

ok now I really want your opinion on TNE since you pointed out exactly what I wanted him to point out and he didn't 0.0

[pieguyn]

It's unsettling because in my opinion you should be voting the scum you're pressuring. Your vote is a tool. When you leave your vote decaying on a fringe lurker scumread, it does no work.

hey what a coincidence. at that time I was still pressuring TNE, just it's impossible to fkin notice since he was being a giant lurkfuck. I had accused him of making up his reads and was waiting for a response. this shows how false your argument really is and I dislike the fact that you're pushing such an easy angle, especially when it falls apart if you really think about it.

also, if you don't like people leaving their votes on lurkers, what do you think about Sakura's Kalimar vote? she's left it there for a bit now. I'm really surprised you haven't pointed it out by now especially when I specifically asked you your opinion on her. it seems really weird for me 0.0

okay you know what Sakura's Kalimar vote had been there for longer than my TNE vote and Kalimar has even less content than TNE. this seems like the same shit I think TNE did

[pieguyn]

is that really all you have to say? wow I am disappoint

vote: Kaze

answer my questions plz. why is my TNE vote scummier than Sakura's Kalimar vote, when she's done more of the same shit that you said I was doing? IMO the fact that you just dodged all my questions implies that I'm onto something and you don't have any good answers. not only that but I was mostly looking for an explanation, so this seems like a really knee-jerk reaction. @_@

also, a you x TNE team would explain why you ignored all my points on TNE, since it appears you're doing the same thing

explain yourself plz

[pieguyn]

here it comes

To answer your questions in 274, You are getting hardcore defensive. And the way you changed the subject to Sakura again really pings considering the timing. Screams of "I know what I did but LOOK AT THEM AREN'T THEY SCUMMY OMFG"

wow nice fucking misrep. I never said Sakura's Kalimar vote was scummy. I'm asking why you seem to be cherrypicking your scumhunting. I specifically asked you about Sakura a while back, and if what you pointed out on me really pinged you, then it should have done the same re: Sakura and I assume you would have pointed it out there.

also, you didn't actually answer any of my questions ~ nice attempt to cover up your cognitive dissonance.

The way you reacted to my naked vote though. My goodness, you couldn't have solidified my scum read any better. Well done with the OMGUS. You're a peach.

and why is OMGUS a scumtell again? being afraid to vote someone who voted you is 9000x more scummy than doing so.

also, you dodged all my questions. are you saying it's more pro-town NOT to push for answers and let people blatantly dodge questions?

tl;dr: you are bullshitting reads and now that I called you on it, you're putting out even more bullshit to cover it up

[pieguyn]

so in other words you can't defend against my points

ok

[pieguyn]

since you seem to have declared this 1v1 over, here's my case:

1. BS's reads
2. when I call him on it, starts flailing and grasping at straws
3. makes it seem like he's answering my questions when he's not. "to answer your question" ... "nothing that answers any of your questions"
4. misreps the fuck out of me
5. accuses me of being scum via OMGUS without trying to determine whether it actually came from scum motivation
6. handwaves all my points. keep in mind he accused Sakura of doing the exact same thing. this also makes me think he's not trying to figure anything out - he seems entirely convinced I'm scum and isn't interested in confirming or denying said read
7. took 13 minutes just to make that last post? it seems likely I had him caught, he had no idea what to do, and had to ponder what to do for a while. and then he decided he's just digging his own grave by arguing with me further ~~

can we lynch this today plz

[pieguyn]

so in other words you can't defend against my points

ok

More like I'm not giving you a soapbox to spout more rubbish from. You're scum. So, naturally, everything you say is going to be subverting and conniving. You know? The town doesn't need more noise to sort through before they get to the signal. The more scum is allowed to defend themselves, the more the town can indulge in the misinformation and make bad plays.

But, alas, here I am talking to you again. Damn it. This time for realsies, kay? Just sit tight. ^^

caught scum is flaily scum ~

you're so convinced I'm scum, why do you need to say smth like this? apparently I'm obvscum and you previously had faith that everyone would be able to see it. oh right it's because you're scum and my points are valid www

also, what you said can directly be used against you too. by cutting off the 1v1 like you did, you prevent yourself from saying anything incriminating. there is no town motivation at all in the way you attempted to end our discussion. if you're so convinced I'm scum, then by pushing me more it should become even more obvious why I'm scum. this shows that your first intent is not to figure out my alignment, but to score a mislynch.

[pieguyn]

I think it looks like town v town white noise.

so you don't think it's alignment indicative how he said lurker votes are bad, but apparently had nothing to say about Sakura's vote on Kalimar?

also I'm gonna try to use this term plz forgive me if I fk it up. IMO his trajectory seemed fake as fuck. I don't see how the hell he went to the point where he would do a fake vote reaction test thing via my post 273. I'm trying to figure out what he could see in there, since he sure as hell didn't point out anything. and I don't buy how my 276 solidified my read on him. the only thing he pointed out was OMGUS and it seems fake. 0.0 notice how when I tried to find out his reasons behind all this he wouldn't even answer me.

@Kalimar:

above question is open for you too ~

[pieguyn]

nooooo, you dayvigged him?

it was in another game and he was town. I was a real dayvig and I had to use my shot D1 or I lost it. first I faked a dayvig shot on him, and then I used my real shot on him anyway. .-.

[pieguyn]

do you think he's not trying to fake the chaoticness as scum?

also does he usually make posts like this as town?

Guys, I caught scum. Stop not thinking I caught scum. Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me? ._.

for me this doesn't seem like real conviction. I get the feeling if he was town then he'd have enough conviction to keep 1v1'ing with me. also, hardly anyone had even made a real post from the time the 1v1 ended to there (only you/Kalimar had even given opinions on us), so I don't think he can declare that no one is listening to him yet. so this doesn't read as genuine

the fact that he had such a knee-jerk reaction IMO supports this. he obviously cares about explaining reasons since he brought up OMGUS, but he doesn't explain anything else and instead doesn't fking interact with me at all. all the points in my last post on him still hold but he's apparently never going to answer them. this, IMO, also supports the idea that his push on me wasn't legitimate. do you disagree?

[pieguyn]

It was less specifics and more how it would feel. And the reaction felt bad. I feel like town would have been a bit less explosive with their response instead of the "omg wtf vote kaze you're scum scum you makes sense tne x kaze 5eva" I got.

Pie is getting more and more vitriolic as the game progresses. Anyone know if that's alignment indicative for them?

[pieguyn]

Idk, the way Kaze asks for us to vote you reminds me of Nacho, but from my 1v1 with you all I got is that you were going off some misunderstanding rather than intentional misrep, which doesn't really help me much in determining your alingment.

On the other hand Kaze said he was reaction testing you, but never gave any specifics on how the reaction test was supposed to tell your alignment, if anything he only mentioned that you OMGUS'd him but he didnt go in depth wrt how would town react and why your reaction was only scum motivated. <-- would really like Kaze to give more insight on this if he has any hopes of convincing anyone.

@ffery: Why do i have a feeling that you're hardly involved in this game and all the time you keep mentioning theory or what certain people do as scum and town, or defending your townreads, do you have any scumreads so far? you haven't voted anyone since the start of the game and that's depriving town of needed info.

so do you think Kaze is scum? given you were questioning my alignment in this post, but all you say about him is that he needs to try harder to convince people.

if not, do you disagree with my points against him?

vitriolic =/= scum flaily omgus badposting

your ignoring me didn't last very long did it

let me spell it out anyway

It was less specifics and more how it would feel. And the reaction felt bad. I feel like

town would have been a bit less explosive with their response

instead of the "omg wtf vote kaze you're scum scum you makes sense tne x kaze 5eva" I got.

Pie is getting more and more vitriolic as the game progresses.

Anyone know if that's alignment indicative for them?

vitriolic and explosive are relatively the same. you notice I'm being more vitriolic and that you don't know if it's alignment indicative, contradicting the first quote.

[pieguyn]

oh right you had to make a post defending yourself since I pointed out the blatant inconsistency in your thoughts

[pieguyn]

@ffery:

can you answer my question plz. I am confused as hell right now as to whether I'm terribly wrong or if my points are valid. especially when he won't provide any argument against my points and instead handwaves all of them away, which incidentally is the same shit he accused Sakura of doing.

[pieguyn]

so do you think Kaze is scum? given you were questioning my alignment in this post, but all you say about him is that he needs to try harder to convince people.

I actually think you both are town, im checking whether im wrong on one of you two which is why i was wondering what he was looking for with his reaction test. But the things he mentioned if anything are only indicative of you being pie rather than being scum (inb4 But you said you wouldn't use meta!).

do you disagree with my points on him then?

[pieguyn]

do you disagree with my points on him then?

So far? yes.

care to explain why?

[pieguyn]

I have way more on him than just the vote

since you seem to have declared this 1v1 over, here's my case:

1. BS's reads
2. when I call him on it, starts flailing and grasping at straws
3. makes it seem like he's answering my questions when he's not. "to answer your question" ... "nothing that answers any of your questions"
4. misreps the fuck out of me
5. accuses me of being scum via OMGUS without trying to determine whether it actually came from scum motivation
6. handwaves all my points. keep in mind he accused Sakura of doing the exact same thing. this also makes me think he's not trying to figure anything out - he seems entirely convinced I'm scum and isn't interested in confirming or denying said read
7. took 13 minutes just to make that last post? it seems likely I had him caught, he had no idea what to do, and had to ponder what to do for a while. and then he decided he's just digging his own grave by arguing with me further ~~

can we lynch this today plz

I can see what you said explaining 2, but not others @_@

to elaborate on 1 since it's not clear just from the quote, he said my lurker vote on TNE was bad, but when I had asked him about you before, he said nothing despite your Kalimar vote which had been there longer than my TNE vote.

[pieguyn]

it's the weakest one there o/

[pieguyn]

1. gives his opinion on you here. originally I asked him what his opinion of our interactions was, but by pointing out your handwave, it shows his intent to give an overall opinion of you.

That said, I'm starting to wonder if your spat isn't a TvT situation. Sakura's indigence seems genuine, but it doesn't excuse her epic handwave of TNE earlier.

accuses me for voting a lurker while arguing with you here

By the way, pie, where is your vote? Still on TNE right? As it has been the whole time you've been arguing with Sakura? It makes me unsettled that the whole time you were pressing her you kept your vote on a slot that barely spoke.

your Kalimar vote

Probably, anyway i went through KA's ISO again and I think I may be making a mistake here due to his interactions with Mac, so im gonna follow the Nacho method for the time being and move my vote here instead.

Unvote
Vote: Kalimar

my TNE vote. this happened after your Kalimar vote

TNE what the hell

why didn't you call me out for keeping my vote on KA while scumreading you?

I could see you forgetting about it, but you used the exact same reason

in that exact post

v

So you're pretty much saying.

That you'd rather be on a random-wagon than a scum-wagon? What?

I said I was scumreading you and I never gave any actual read on KA. (for the record, KA was reading town for me the whole time) so using your own logic, I should be suspicious, since I'd rather be on KA who I never gave an actual read on, instead of you who I was actively scumreading. but you don't call me out for it?

also, why does Sakura's jump on KA make her scum, when you practically did the same thing? and if KA is suspicious, are Sakura and KA both scum?

this doesn't make any sense

even for you

T_T this whole thing seems like you're scum trying to look busy and not legitimately scumhunting

vote: TNE

all Kalimar content up until that point

Spoiler:

Vote: Marquis

That WIFOM.

Lack of self vote says geists is scum; or ffery threatened nati.

Do these have to be mutually exclusive?

It wasn't really serious. I thought the wording was indicative of that.

Though your reaction to it was very real! You seem a bit bothered, eh? :3

My initial reaction was your vote giving me the warm fuzzies.

Now that I have learned the truth, not so much.

You're eventually town-reading Kaze. What about his reply here didn't give you the 'warm fuzzies'?

Indeed. Your question has highlighted the on-the-sidelines nature of your participation in the game so far. So has your follow-up.

I had a similar opinion of his play in the much-abridged Normal Formal micro that

was ruined by a troll

ended quickly. However, he was Town at the end of the game, so this is likely a playstyle quirk.

Prod dodge ~ content in a few hours.

all TNE content up until that point

Spoiler:

VOTE: KA

Sheeping ahoy

Mod Notes: Lack of objection jokes. Disappointed. Gonna blame it all on Cabd.

Did he scumslip or are people just being dumb?

MATTA

The simple "Lol X is scum. But I'll vote Y because RVS" thing

EBWODP:

MATTA

>///>

God dammit not 5 pages...

@Cabd, TNE: what are your thoughts on Sakura so far?

Right now?

Oh also

Unvote
Vote: KA

Scum

@TNE:

you're probably scum. discuss plz?

Pretty sure you should start by saying "How TNE is scum" Statements

I know ffery does the exact same thing at the start of every game because I stalk the title fairy thread, and she was recently nominated for a title solely because of that.

The vote on Mac was solely a pressure vote, note that I only said it was some degree of serious. I couldn't think of anything game related to say to Sakura, and I knew if I responded to ffery then I'd just get pointed to that post in the title fairy thread. That left only you and Cabd that I could physically think of something to say about. Of the two, I don't trust myself to read Cabd at all, and I was hoping you would say something alignment indicative in response even though I know my reasoning was terrible. Leaving my vote for now, because you haven't actually provided any sort of bit.

PEDIT: Need to leave now. Not pediting.

So you're pretty much saying.

That you'd rather be on a random-wagon than a scum-wagon? What?

It didn't seem forced, exactly. You're a new face to me so I'm just trying to get some insight into how you think.

TNE? Not many thoughts. I liked the wagon sheep. You?

ok, I get you >w<

TNE looks like scum. don't wanna explain the reason yet :>

That. Or you just don't have anything.

indeed.

I blame this new RVS strategy. I'm not too sure on how to do it right so that probably explains why some things seem forced @_@

What is this new strategy and why did you change?

Humping

Bumping this question. Because your "new playstyle" is also making me think you're scum. That or you're actually scum.

Meta townread on pie, won't explain it until I'm sure of it though; he's dropping one of the hidden pietells.

I should really search more because I'm REALLY not seeing it. I'm just NOT seeing pie being town this game.

1) Answer the thing with your playstyle.

2) I'm ok with the sheeping on Marquis.

3) But not sakura's Post #46 which looks like a "I'm voting X because of my own reasons. So you can't call me out on sheeping". Almost all the people I've seen do this flip scum, or just newb town. IDK why. I dunno why nobody has noticed. But they do. And she's not newb town no, is she?

Oh and why am I not doing this?

VOTE: Sakura

1) IIRC you didn't answer directly. And you were trying a new playstyle or something.

2) Scummy things are still scummy things, IMO. Meta just gets in the way of accurate reads

3) You. Since you were reffering to the "I voted KA but you never called me out".

P-edit: 4) #2

@Marquis: It's a hidden scumtell, apparently. Or at least my observations.

@pie:

1) It doesn't fit the things you did AFTER that

3) You just added stuff to why I scumread you but can't really say because of new playstyle.
Good thing you pointed out the "I'm scumreading person but voting others".

@Cabd: I'm pretty sure my Mac scumread and sakura scumread are 2 different triangles, if that's what you're getting at

you do the math. conclusion: since your Kalimar vote didn't ping him, he was BS'ing reads in an attempt to look busy.

3. his post

To answer your questions in 274, You are getting hardcore defensive. And the way you changed the subject to Sakura again really pings considering the timing. Screams of "I know what I did but LOOK AT THEM AREN'T THEY SCUMMY OMFG"

my questions

is that really all you have to say? wow I am disappoint

vote: Kaze

answer my questions plz. why is my TNE vote scummier than Sakura's Kalimar vote, when she's done more of the same shit that you said I was doing? IMO the fact that you just dodged all my questions implies that I'm onto something and you don't have any good answers. not only that but I was mostly looking for an explanation, so this seems like a really knee-jerk reaction. @_@

also, a you x TNE team would explain why you ignored all my points on TNE, since it appears you're doing the same thing

explain yourself plz

note how what he said didn't answer any of my questions, yet he claimed his statement was to answer my questions

4.

Screams of "I know what I did but LOOK AT THEM AREN'T THEY SCUMMY OMFG"

I never said your Kalimar vote was scummy. however, he claims I said it was.

6. get you. but I disagree with the idea that said "noise" is undesirable. even if we make a shitton of posts, there's almost certainly bound to be smth valuable in there. thus, I don't see the town intent in cutting off the 1v1 like he did.

have fun

[pieguyn]

274 you say?

let's take a look at said post 274

Okay so the above prod dodge was a joke but now it's a 100.6 fever. Back later probably, might try to sleep this off with a heater and some blankets.

oh look I'm not even the one who made that post

conclusion: you are grasping at straws

[pieguyn]

like holy shit there's a shitton of angles you could have pushed to try to refute that case, but that's not one of them

[pieguyn]

273, then. My apologies, I am in the wrong in this case.

still doesn't change my point

To be perfectly honest I had no idea who Sakura was voting at the time and I didn't care either, so, of course I wouldn't opine about it.

what Sakura said

like holy shit there's a shitton of angles you could have pushed to try to refute that case, but that's not one of them

Come on, now. Get off the conf bias train and think.

guess what? I'm town as fuck and by cutting off said 1v1 with me, you're opening yourself to even more amounts of confbias if you're really town (and that's a big fucking if). fuck I had to keep asking other people about you just to get anything I could use to confirm or deny my read on you. so by playing the confbias card, you are implying you yourself are scum.

[pieguyn]

bbl football

we need moar votes on Kaze before I come back ww

[pieguyn]

ugh
someone save me. I still feel weird. that feeling I usually have... i still haven't got it > < I thought it was due to the way I started the game but I still fkin feel off and I have no explanation for it. I bet it's all GIF's fault I'm blaming him and imperishable night for all this shit

Kaze is town.

Can we move on?

We are entertaining the possibility that Brian Skies is scum. One of us will post some reasons why in a bit.

I am very ok with this

vote: Brian Skies

in the meantime, wanna explain Kaze town? especially given those two posts you made after Sakura jumped on him, I don't understand.

Now Cabd I'm kinda tired and delirious, but I think you're fakeclaiming and the reason you refuse to disclose flavor details is that you know I'll see through them. I find any sort of 1-sided deaths sketchy from GIF, especially in a theme so...vogue as Ace Attorney.

inb4 he fkin put a 1 way lover in because of imperishable night

That said, pie's play this game in other regards is completely different than the games I've read. Things like constantly asking other people for thoughts on x and scum reading people while keeping secret the reason of said read is something I didn't see in such volume in previous games. Thus, I'm rather wary of clearing pie on the basis of meta when their play this game is anomalous.(Plus, I'm terrible at meta.)

who have I scumread without saying the reason? I've given my reasons on Brian, TNE, and you and I don't have any good scumreads on anyone else 0.0

[pieguyn]

@SSK:

explain your scumread on me plz? also why geists?

Sakura is feeling weird. don't ask me for an explanation. I'm not feeling up to it atm. and I don't fucking understand the current game state at all. I'd love to write Kaze off as town but then I'd be at Brian/Sakura/SSK and that makes literally no fucking sense. I also wanna see more from slimer since he hasn't posted any actual content. this makes me think I'm completely in the wrong here @_@

fuck Brian made another post. I don't want to think any more so I'm throwing this out there and I'll fkin read it later

[pieguyn]

You kept your cards pretty close to your chest at first. You wouldn't tell us about TNE until after he left.

my initial "scumread" on him with no reasons was a bait. I blatantly called him scum while leaving my vote on KA, bc I figured he would use his "omg you're scumreading x but you're voting someone you're null on" on me. then he didn't and that formed a legitimate scumread on him. when pressured he didn't give me anything to change said read.

[pieguyn]

Okay? I wasn't calling question to your motives, I was just pointing out you did in fact do it.

So defensive. You're already making me regret moving my vote off you. Goodness gracious.

no I'm pointing out how your example of my "scumread" on TNE isn't a legitimate example, since it wasn't a real scumread. I was pointing out you misinterpreted smth I did so you could fix it, on the assumption you really are town trying to get a legitimate read on me

and here you are blatantly painting everything I do as scummy again

[pieguyn]

Aren't you scum-reading me because you thought I was being defensive? I don't really know what you want from me.

what ffery said. ffery explained my read on you better than I ever could :>

[pieguyn]

here's where I'm at. someone ask me smth. I hate this. I feel like I'm standing on a field, the game state is the moon and normally I can see it clearly but all of a sudden smth is covering it up. somebody save me plz > <

town
6. Marquis
11. pieguyn
12. Kalimar
13. KingdomAces Image

null-town
5. Cabd Image
10. Mac Image

null
2. Bert SleepyKrew
3. Sakura Hana
4. Geists (fferyllt + Natirasha)
8. theslimer3

scum
1. Kazekirimaru
7. MafiaSSK thenewearth
9. Brian Skies

[pieguyn]

forgot this sry

Whew. That took way longer than I thought or needed it to take.

READS LIST:
Scum: Sakura, geists, one of (Kalimar, pieguy)
Null: Brian Skies, Bert
Town: Mac, KA, Kaze, slimer

And what was up with Kalimar's random vote on me?

Oh and in case the mod removed tne's vote

Vote Sakura Hana

because she is literally leaking scum.

Really? I was townreading her earlier?

And I understand Slimer is being Slimer, but a townread?

why does the fact that you were townreading Sakura matter? I don't understand 0.0

[pieguyn]

............................lol

I guess I should have kept pushing brian instead of kaze o/

[pieguyn]

Agree on KA. Marquis is null-town due to lack of content/staleness. Kalimar hasn't posted enough for me to have much of a read.

given I was scum with Marquis in fast and furious his play here seems way different. he seems to actually be doing shit, whereas in that game he wasn't doing much of anything. even once you remove the fact he was afk almost the whole game, the posts he did made didn't seem to be doing much of anything either and the only real push he made was on me as his scumbuddy 0.0

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KA

this seemed like it had an intent to move the game forward

tne i'm not seeing what you're seeing as i can't even see how sakura is doing what you say she's doing, much less why it's even scummy

I liked his interaction with TNE about Sakura

KA just makes me feel sad

i'm trying to compare you to fast and furious you but so far you're ok

The sudden lack of wagonpush on KA makes me believe that either all the scum are on it already or scum aren't touching it. Not sure how I feel about either situation. Meh.

@Kalimar:

Is your vote on Marquis serious? Also, gamestate comments?

@Everyone not on the KA wagon that hasn't made their opinion clear yet:

What do you think of the KA wagon?

no me gusta

him trying to compare me seems to show he's doing shit

I thought Kalimar's entrance was p good but I really connected with how he said you two didn't sort each other. there was smth missing about you and I had no idea what it was, but looking back on it what he said makes a lot of sense.

I'm liking Cabd for town right now. Nati I think has some reservations. Hopefully we'll get that sorted out tomorrow.

I don't see what the point is as scum in claiming a role that'll die. I'm sure I heard Cabd likes setting up awesome fakeclaims but fakeclaiming that kind of role doesn't make any sense IMO.

I'd move Sakura up. I'm a little surprised we are null, but w/e.

I'm just biased cause you weren't as much of a presence as usual at the start of the game, even if you explained it already. probably you should be at null-town but meh

Sakura is feeling really off for me. I don't like how she cut our 1v1 off saying it was a "misunderstanding". even if it probably was, the way she did it felt really weird. like normally I scumread her but this seems really different on a gut level whereas all her logic checks out here. whenever we play and she's town it's usually the opposite and I end up scumreading her cause her logic is messed up somewhere.

Kaze is town. I personally have him in my top town group.

are you sure

[pieguyn]

Since you guys are so concerned about my vote, you should take a look at this game.

I made a total of three votes that game. Not a single one of those was on F-16, who I thought was scummy/suspicious the entire game. And it was because I was never convinced.

the problem I'm having is you said your vote was RVS when you clearly had Cabd as a scumread. I don't get, if you weren't scumreading him, why you'd say he jumps out in response to someone asking you who your scumreads are. 0.0

[pieguyn]

Start off by telling me who you're looking at for scum thus far.

Nothing jumps out at me. Maybe Cabd.

Try again later.

Kaze asked you who your scumreads were. I don't get why the hell you'd bring Cabd into this if you weren't scumreading him. like if someone asks you who your scumreads are why would you point out someone who just randomly jumped out for some completely unrelated reason? I don't understand your thought process here.

[pieguyn]

Brian you really smell like scum trying to move in lockstep with town that is back pedaling when caught on the wrong foot.

And what wrong foot would that be?

what the fuck kind of question is this

I get the feeling you're just trolling 0.0

[pieguyn]

Pieguyn - Probably scum. I don't like the way he's trying to twist words and motivations and it looks like he's trying to set people up as looking like scum so he can push a mislynch.

this is bad and you should feel bad. you don't point out any specific examples of this or why you think they came from scum motivation? also notice how you weren't pushing me whatsoever this whole time. all your questions that you did ask me seemed derived from what I was asking you and it didn't seem like you were trying to find out anything new. your reasons for scumreading me suck and your attempt to place suspicion on me is opportunistic as fuck

a few questions. when did you start scumreading me? also, remember stack the deck? I attacked you on D1 and you ended up townreading me because of it. what makes this different from there?

btw, what happened to geists? why are you no longer scumreading her?

Kalimar, Marquis, Bert, Geist, Cabd - No read because I'm not comfortable with these slots right now (and I either need another re-read or more content [preferably with me in it]). I also forgot what Marquis/Kalimar did this game.

talking about setting people up to look like scum, why Marquis/Kalimar? is it cuase they're the lurk-ish players that I have a townread on? this doesn't seem legitimate and I'm seeing an intentional attempt to scumpaint me. there's people in this game who have done less than those two (theslimer) and I don't get how this is any different from a null read.

[pieguyn]

Again, I don't care about the circumstance.

You just dropped one of those minute tells I was talking about, by the way. And it was a scum tell. You tend to victimize yourself in your defense when you're scum(you even used the exact term-"scumpainting/painting me scum" -that I caught onto in your scum meta) but when you're town you lean more towards righteous indignation.

why would you point out said scumtell immediately? if I'm scum all it does is let me know how to avoid it. I don't see the town motivation in doing this 0.0

also, if you don't care about the circumstance than that's the most fucking bullshit thing I've ever seen. you're taking something that's not an example and trying to pass it off as an example. then you're handwaving it under "I don't care about the circumstance". this is practically the definition of twisting my words around so they look scummy. I see no town motivation in the way you're acting

Redacted.

I should leave meta to the experts.

Still, righteous indignation and all that jazz.

I'm finding it hard in this game to be righteously indignated. especially when people vote/scumread me with shit reasons

How in the world do you have a null on Sakura when 1. She's been rather active and 2. You've experimental meta with her and as such should be able to formulate SOME read in a decent fashion by now.

this is bad
first off, what experimental meta do I with her? also why the hell does 2 matter at all? just bc she's done a lot doesn't mean I need to be leaning a specific way on her. she's done some things that lean town and some things that lean scum, so I don't lean either way on her. why do you think this is alignment indicative?

If you're town then you really need to stop this habit of OMGUSing everyone who throws the smallest bit of suspicion in your direction, because you constantly flail like a fish.

"smallest bit of suspicion"
I'm the only person he's scumreading

also his reasons for scumreading me sucked and it seemed opportunistic. why the hell should I NOT point smth that's scummy, just because he's scumreading me? that doesn't make any sense.

speaking of flailing, I love how you accuse me of flailing when you had to keep making posts after declaring you'd "ignore" me earlier

OMGUS much?

do I really have to say this again? why is this a scumtell?

what makes you think this came from scum motivation, rather than town motivation? I was starting to lean scum on him and I saw he voted me without explaining any reasons, so I voted him to get him to explain said reasons, if he had any. then he came up with this whole "reaction test" BS and still didn't answer any of my questions.

[pieguyn]

I'm starting to see SSK town. his push on Sakura is really good

[pieguyn]

yeah no
if you don't answer my questions, I'm forced to assume you have no answer. so get to it

I get the feeling if you had answered my questions I'd feel a lot more comfortable about you. as it is, there's too much that I don't have an explanation for. which makes me even more convinced bc you're handwaving everything I ask on the basis that you're ignoring my questions. also your "confbias" excuse is still complete bullshit

You can be wrong without being scum.

THE IRONY
LOL

oh right you're scum

[pieguyn]

273, then. My apologies, I am in the wrong in this case.

still doesn't change my point

To be perfectly honest I had no idea who Sakura was voting at the time and I didn't care either, so, of course I wouldn't opine about it.

what Sakura said

why would you point out said scumtell immediately? if I'm scum all it does is let me know how to avoid it. I don't see the town motivation in doing this 0.0

first off, what experimental meta do I with her? also why the hell does 2 matter at all? just bc she's done a lot doesn't mean I need to be leaning a specific way on her. she's done some things that lean town and some things that lean scum, so I don't lean either way on her. why do you think this is alignment indicative?

also his reasons for scumreading me sucked and it seemed opportunistic. why the hell should I NOT point smth that's scummy, just because he's scumreading me?

oh right you're scum

If you really think that then vote me. If not, stop derping.

the same thing applies to you. you're so convinced I'm scum but you're not voting me. while I don't think this is a scumtell, the fact that you're selectively applying this kind of logic pings the shit out of me. one reason I think you're scum is a lot of the logic you used can be applied on yourself. the same thing happened with the "confbias train" for example.

I don't see your lynch happening today, so I rather vote someone else (Brian or mb Sakura)

[pieguyn]

You've played games with her before, have you not? I suppose I just believe that at that stage of the game you would have something other than a null on someone you're familiar with and had associated with several times this game.

I know her but I can't read her for shit .-.
ask Sakura about this cause I don't feel like going through all the times I've misread her and she can probably explain it better than me anyway > <

Didn't say you shouldn't point out when someone is being scummy, I said that you seem to find everyone who reads you as scum scummy and that's odd.

them being scummy is unrelated to the fact it's me they're scumreading. rather, it's based off their reasons/timing/etc. however, I think it's only natural that you pay more attention to, and are more critical of, people's reads on yourself than others. also if you can call out who you think jumped on you for false reasons, it can be useful even if you get lynched anyway cause your flip will confirm your alignment.

[pieguyn]

do you have any explanation for how you seem to use arguments that can also work against you?

I can see you town for the moment, but I especially want an explanation for that one > <

[pieguyn]

meh
honestly this whole thing feels like a massive personality clash. I retract my scumread on you but I don't wanna write you off as 100% town yet > <

I need to go rework my reads since I'm sure I have too many in my town/null-town pile. I had 8 townreads and there's no way in hell they're all town. will post later

[pieguyn]

I don't feel bad at all because you spent the majority of the early game trying to trap somebody into a scumread (TNE).

why is this alignment indicative? I wanted a way to quickly get a read on someone and it seemed like a good idea.

The difference between this game and Stack the Deck is that you were interacting with me based on game actions, not meta. I can't read somebody's interactions with me if they're basing it on meta, something that can be faked (and I just watched Nacho do it in the micro I linked you guys).

Since you guys are so concerned about my vote, you should take a look at this game.

I made a total of three votes that game. Not a single one of those was on F-16, who I thought was scummy/suspicious the entire game. And it was because I was never convinced.

if you can't read people when their interactions are based off of meta, then how do you expect them to read you via these same interactions? I don't get why you expect people to read you via meta, especially when you explicitly agreed meta gets in the way of accurate reads.

Honestly never said it was.
Just said it.

why are you scumreading me then?

Anyone here sense bussing?

this is a huge stretch - there's reasons to scumread both of us but this seems way too shallow and not legitimate

slimer's vote on Kaze also seems weird. he was apparently scumreading Kaze for a while judging by his questions, but he didn't vote until just recently 0.0

[pieguyn]

This is odd, on most games you usually scumread me until you back off after I yell at you for you never being able to read me correctly, yet here you're backing off on your own.

wtf? did you forget our 1v1 earlier or smth? for the most part I backed off there. and there's no point in making you yell at me for not being able to read you when we both know it's true anyway @_@

[pieguyn]

pie v kaze is strange. pie didn't come out of it looking too good, meanwhile kaze did. pie felt like caught scum.

care to explain why?

[pieguyn]

I dunno

probably Cabd or ffery. if not then I'll probably end up keeping my null read on you the whole game and trying to sort you near the end > <

[pieguyn]

So you think they are both town?

Have you checked what read ffery has on me?

PEd: Cabd you're town.

I think Cabd is town. ffery I'm not as sure of but I'm not too worried about it atm. I have enough faith that when you need to be sorted there'll be someone who can get a good read on you.

[pieguyn]

you know what, I'm thinking theslimer is scum

first off, a lot of his early posts are really short and I don't understand what he's trying to do. he's not scumhunting and the questions he did ask seemed really out of place. it essentially is the same as Brian's posting

Inb4 he builds a case on me based on me not liking RVS.

this seems like discrediting

pie is probably town for ~probably~ sure

I love how incredibly vague you are

this post in particular pinged me the wrong way. it doesn't seem like it's coming from an angle of trying to figure anything out

VOTE: Kaze
If you flip scum, I'd be happy with Pie or Sakura next.

this is a blatantly opportunistic vote 0.0 I don't buy his argument that me and Kaze were bussing each other at all. so I think he's just trying to take full advantage of the massive shitstorm that occurred by getting one of us lynched. I'm also not at all comfortable with how he pointed out Sakura when there was seemingly no mention of Sakura anywhere in his ISO. since Sakura is one of the main wagons atm, this also seems like flow-going.

Honestly never said it was.
Just said it.

this is scummy as fuck. in his other post:

OMGUS much?

Anyone here sense bussing?

VOTE: Kaze
If you flip scum, I'd be happy with Pie or Sakura next.

this is his only mention of me. I'm clearly in his scumpile, and if he's scumreading me purely based on the idea that me and Kaze are bussing, then that's kind of ridiculous and supports the above point. so the natural thing to think is that he thought the OMGUS was scummy, since otherwise why would he even point it out? this seems like blatant backpedaling

[pieguyn]

town
5. Cabd Image <- i dunno if Cabd gets apathetic as scum, but it didn't seem faked. that plus the role he claimed gives me a solid townread on him for now.
6. Marquis
11. pieguyn
13. KingdomAces Image

null-town
1. Kazekirimaru
7. MafiaSSK thenewearth <- I liked his entrance a lot. mostly cause I connected with what he was saying about Sakura. looking back on my TNE read I know TNE derps around a lot, so not sure atm

null
2. Bert SleepyKrew
3. Sakura Hana
4. Geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) <- I know I heard ffery strongly prefers playing as town, but I don't know what she's capable of as scum. in the one completed game I have with her (as morph the cat) she obvtowned it up somewhere and she hasn't done that yet. might just be paranoia but I don't wanna make any hasty decisions
10. Mac Image
12. Kalimar <- looking back on it, I don't think his entrance is alignment indicative. I connected with his point on ffery/Cabd but on second thought I don't think it'd be very difficult to come up with smth like that as scum

scum
8. theslimer3
9. Brian Skies

ftr my townreads that I eliminated were geists/Kalimar. my first pick for 3rd scum atm is Sakura.

[pieguyn]

oh come on ;_;

the apathy in this game seemed more like town apathy tho. I'm not too sure exactly what defines scum apathy, but you seemed too lazy to sort people or figure anything out, which seems like a town perspective. on a gut level it didn't seem faked either. I can take links if you really wanna give them out but I'll still have a townread on you regardless so .-.

hey Kaze what do you think about my slimer case

[pieguyn]

do you agree or disagree with it tho

[pieguyn]

the only reason I'm comfortable putting Cabd there is cause of his softclaim. even tho I'm sure I heard he sets up ridiculous fakeclaims as scum, it doesn't make any sense IMO to claim a role that'll die. if it's not worked out by D3 then I'll look at him again

I don't have any ideas on how to better sort you atm. that and of all my null reads you're the one I'm leaning town on the most and you being null is probably just paranoia > < that and I was sitting there tunneling Kaze the whole time. essentially I have higher priorities than sorting you for now

[pieguyn]

@ffery:

why is it you seem to be surprised I'm not townreading you? 0.0 like both reads lists I've posted at this point you've made some comment about how your position seems out of place

also, what do you think about theslimer?

@SSK:

can you explain geists town plz?

[pieguyn]

I'm going to pre-empt here and say that SSK and I are like at like, the highest levels of readability with each other. The fact we're both townreading is a very good sign.

I thought his read on you was based off Nati, but ok o-o

I'm kind of not sure how to engage you atm, since I know you like to keep some things hidden. I don't wanna risk asking you things that might fk up your agenda if you're town. so I had a lot of trouble figuring out what I could ask you before just deciding to be lazy and leave it for later. mb it wasn't the best idea but oh well

also I'm p sure you noticed but I'm really off this game. I get the feeling I missed a lot of shit since I was just tunneling on Kaze the whole time. I had you as town before I reworked my reads, which I did cause I had so many townreads that I'm almost positive I fked one of them up. you, Kalimar, and more recently Bert were all gut townreads and there's no way in hell I'm correctly reading 9/13 players as town, so when redoing my reads I wanted to make sure I had a specific base instead of just overall feeling. I think I ought to reread the thread and look at shit again > <

do you think theslimer's play so far is similar to Brian's? it seems like the same kind of reactive and deflective playing for me

what motivation do you think Cabd might have for claiming a role that'll die or otherwise be explained on D3? if it's fake, when it gets to D3 it'll just be outed as a fakeclaim.

what's your read on Mac?

[pieguyn]

nvm SSK explained it kk

[pieguyn]

oh come on > <
ftr the comment about keeping things hidden was directed towards ffery

hi bert <3

[pieguyn]

#LYNCHBY30

I'm not shy about saying "I'm not gonna answer that right now".

yeah, but I get the feeling that sometimes if you even so much as point out you're keeping smth hidden it kind of messes it up a bit anyway, even if you don't say exactly what it is. though thinking about it again I'm not sure that's correct. as I said, it was probably bad idea but oh well

how does your scumpool compare with {Brian, Kalimar, Mac, Sakura, theslimer}? I'm currently leaning Brian x Sakura x theslimer. everyone else is looking too fkin town for various reasons, but that seems way too easy so I'm convinced one of my townreads is incorrect @_@ do you agree?

also, explain your townread on Cabd? that's a good point about his claim and I'm not sure how the hell I missed that possibility earlier, but I wanna know if we're seeing the same thing outside his claim 0.0

[pieguyn]

While none of what I have to say about pieguyn is really alignment indicative, he seems to be asking questions and engaging rather aggressively which is to be expected regardless of what alignment he is.

have you read the whole thread yet 0.0

what do you think of SSK and geists townreading each other?

any specific read on Cabd?

@Kaze:

what do you think of Bert's entrance?

[pieguyn]

holy crap

In response to SSK and Geist townreading each other, which is news to me (sorry I'm still getting into this game) --> SSK is really scummy so far, so I don't get geist's townread on SSK at all. Also, I don't understand how SSK arrived at a townread on geist beacuse SSK tends to post one-liner questions/statements which makes him/her hard to follow logically.

SSK and Nati appear to be very familiar with each other. so that's where their townreads on each other came from I think

Brian, list of other reads asap

[pieguyn]

any other scumreads?

anything specific about those two that makes you townread them?

[pieguyn]

looking at your reads list I'm the only one you have as scum, but you have a shitton of unsorted people

Kalimar, Marquis, Bert, Geist, Cabd - No read because I'm not comfortable with these slots right now (and I either need another re-read or more content [preferably with me in it]). I also forgot what Marquis/Kalimar did this game.

who in there do you think is most likely to be scum?

[pieguyn]

ok so Kalimar, Sakura, theslimer

ffery if one of my townreads is wrong who do you think it probably is

who in there do you think is most likely to be scum?

Kalimar, Bert, or Marquis. Only because there's usually one in the lurkers/ones with low content.

Slimer's content is just okay. I felt his play was a lot townier in the micro I played with him.

it happens that I've read a game that theslimer happened to be in, so I have some understanding of what people are saying about him being whimsical/not serious/ etc. and I'm seeing the same thing you and Bert are seeing about him. although it was a while back so I'm not sure if he plays exactly the same way anymore, but if Bert is any indication I'd be surprised if not

[pieguyn]

me, Marquis, KA, cabd
you, Kaze, SSK are null-town

[pieguyn]

Bert why Mac

[pieguyn]

Brian get the hell out of my head

man I'm finally seeing the town you from stacking the deck and now it's too late >_<

[pieguyn]

Marquis reads town mostly cause I was scum with him in fast and furious and I don't think he's acting the same way here. a lot of it is probably gut-based but meh

[pieguyn]

wait what the fuck Cabd you were serious

holy shit

vote: slimer

[pieguyn]

ftr I had other reasons to scumread slimer besides him being serious

[pieguyn]

630

[pieguyn]

I'm actually liking Slimer's huge post to some degree.

explain why plz

like even if he points out bussing, I still don't like how he left me/Kaze and then the main wagon Sakura, or his backpedaling on his read on me 0.0

[pieguyn]

mac why are you questioning someone who's already been lynched

[pieguyn]

that post feels like you're not sure of his alignment

which is bad since we're going to be sure of it after his flip. there's no reason to be so unsure at this point 0.0

[pieguyn]

I should probably go to sleep too but there's so much action in here I don't want to

so in other words you think Brian is just trolling? if he is, worst case we can just forget about it > <

[pieguyn]

OH COME ON

go town ~ ww

[pieguyn]

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE LOST BECAUSE OF AN EXTRA SCUMKILL
;_;

oh well thx for the game <3