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Is the existence of an antitown faction confirmed or denied?
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No RVS from me.
Not voting till I scumread.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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It's a preemptive response to any possible queries someone might have about why I'm not voting.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I'm thinking of revealing a small piece of information I have about the setup.
I'm not too sure whether it would benefit town or scum more, though.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Information I have because of my role.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 26, Mathdino wrote:In post 23, eyestott wrote:Huh. That's a good point.
lol ok eyestott is probably town so far
In post 24, eyestott wrote:I'm thinking of revealing a small piece of information I have about the setup.
I'm not too sure whether it would benefit town or scum more, though.
yep almost def town
I don't think there are any VTs, if that's what you were thinking.
That's not what I'm talking about.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I mean, I know of a specific (likely) antitown role that is almost definitely in the game.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Not necessarily a mafia.
I'm an extinguisher.
Now, the arson could be town too, but I'm not so sure.
He could be a 3P.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Yeah, I have that as a suspicion.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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You didn't use that logic last game.
Metal, care to comment on my reveal, and the implications?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 40, Metal Sonic wrote:Holy shit om you are in this game too???
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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So you're a cult preventer?
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Oh crap, yeah.
like with me, don't say anything that you think will be antitown to reveal.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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What's even the point of policy lynching?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 85, Paschendale wrote:Policy lynching is almost always a bad idea. And obviously, one vote does not a lynch make.
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I'd disagree for this phase being shortened, but I think the other days definitely should be.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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That's a good point.
I fifthify the vote to reduce the deadline to 2 weeks.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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How can you know Flubber is definitely town whe he only has 3 short posts?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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And I agree.
Don't townread me because of my claim; in this game, ANY (well) role could belong to any alignment, especially if there's multiple mafias.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Im not sure yet.
I've had a huge bunch of games with math recently (especially through marathon) and generally get an accurate read of him. im not too sure yet, though, so I wouldn't like to lynch him, as we do pretty good when we work together.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I don't have a comment on your other reads, as I'm not able to read someone so quickly.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Gimme good reasons why mathdino is scum, and I'll consider it.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I don't care for forced townblocks.
I don't care for early townblocks either.
Both are dangerous if They include a scum.
Anyways, anyone want to have a conversation about something?
Compared to my scumhunting skills, I'm pretty good at talking about roles, so yeah.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Flubber: a very slight townread RE his questioning of math.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Mathdino: maybe town? I haven't seen enough of him to make a decision. I'm against lynching him, as he's the player in this game I've played with the most, and he's pretty useful when he's town.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Woops, I didn't mean to post that, meant to do preview.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 189, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 167, FourTrouble wrote:The best move for scum is often pro-town (e.g. bussing when they don't have to). Of course, that blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum moves. Forming townblocs blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum, because you don't know if the player forming the townbloc is scum or town. That lack of knowledge doesn't mean the act of creating a townbloc is scummy -- it's null, unless you have independent evidence that the player forming the townbloc is town or scum, in which case the player is town or scum based on something other than the act of forming the townbloc. Point is, forming townblocs is null. Whether they end up having a pro-town or pro-scum effect depends on whether the player forming it is scum.
As for Mastin's "lecture," Mastin's point is more about probability of success or failure -- townblocs formed early fail more often than townblocs formed later; townblocs that form organically without trying succeed more often than townblocs that form consciously. The original lecture -- I looked into it -- was in response to the question, "What's the best way to form townblocs." The question wasn't whether forming townblocs is scummy, and Mastin's answer has to be read in that context. I don't agree 100% with Mastin's analysis, either.
In my experience, I've never seen a townie say to themselves, "X is town because X formed a townbloc," so forming townblocs doesn't have much value as far as tricking townies into thinking you're town. I've also never seen any evidence that people who "force" townblocs are scum more often than town. In fact, in my experience, the vast majority of folks forming the townblocs are town.
I'm not saying Metal is town. I don't know. I think as a matter of scumhunting, a better approach is asking Metal why he thinks Om and TN are town. Trying to understand his thought-process, etc.
THIS GUY IS TOWN
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I'm thinking:
If there's two scumteams, with an arsonist in one, that team gets an extra kill. I would say there's also an equivalent killer (maybe a poisoner) in the other team, and an anti-poisoner town role.
Either that, or the arsonist (if it exists) is a 3P.
That's just my opinion. If you want to comment on it, please do.
I've faced the fact that I'm much more useful at role related matters than actual scumhunting. I will try and scumhunt, mind you, but I'm just trying to utilise my strengths.
I know that it's not useful for the whole town to speculate setup, which is why I'm looking for maybe one or two other people maximum to talk about this with me.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I think it's quite important.
It's good to have a rough estimate of how many of us are antitown, isn't it?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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That's actually a good point.
Unless we have masons or something, each town member only knows the existence of one role for sure: themselves.
Once we have some flips, and we have more info, setup spec will become more useful.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Uhh, I have no idea.
He has 4 posts. 1 is confirming, 2 is a typical reaction to an RVS vote, 3 is solely about the deadline, 4 is about Google.
None of them have towny or scummy things in them, so it's a completely null read.
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Ah, so its an absence of content, not the content hes made?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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This translates to "I agree with you, Om, and will sheep you:
VOTE: Zombehs."Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Youll get used to it, Zombehs!
Our votes on you are anything but permanent, and can be easily alleviated by you posting something of use.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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You should probably join a newbie game, they're much more newcomer friendly.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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It's just that if you play in a non newbie game, it's expected that you're familiar with the terms of mafia. Otherwise, every game needs to explain the same things, on the off chance someone has no idea what things mean.
You don't need to write an essay. Just tell us what you think about things. Gut reads are fine at the moment, given how early the game is.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Also, you're more likely to be taken seriously if you get an avatar.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 245, Paschendale wrote:Zombehs is voting himself? I don't like that at all.
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Yeah, when i was a newbie, I would never have self-voted lik this, or done the other things he's done.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 267, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 261, tn5421 wrote:You know what it's also characteristic of? Newbs being uncertain what to do against perceived veterans attacking en masse.
there is no conviction in his posts
there is no attempt to do anything at all
that is the absence of town motivation
newb status means jack shit when you have those missing
I agree. The newb card cant be played over legitimately scummy behaviour.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 269, tn5421 wrote:It's a lower priority than the higher-profile scum actions Metal Sonic is taking part in, in my opinion.
If zombehs isn't going to play, get him replaced. It really should be that simple.
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Metal, I'm not gonna form a townblock with anyone D1, or D2, and probably not D3. Why do you want a townblock so much?
Are you literally 100% sure that Om and I are town?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I don't like Metals promiscuity of reading people as town to the point of wanting to be in a townblock with them.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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What I mean is, Metal is asking everyone to be in a townblocks with him.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I'm not saying it's scummy, just that I don't like it.
Metal is being unhelpful though, but he's not a newbie.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Well, he's not being helpful.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 284, CooLDoG wrote:Hi guys... Looks like Metal Sonic went and got himself banned from mafia games so he gets force replaced. I'm going to look for a replacement. You may still vote for and lynch his slot if you wish. You may simply "vote Metal Sonic" or "vote the slot formally known as Metal Sonic" and I will count your vote as being on his slot.
Tell your friends that this game needs a replacement.
Isnt the ban only for joining new games?
I mean, its your choice as to whether hes force-replaced, but I dont know that the ban applies.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 290, Ghostlin wrote:In post 281, eyestott wrote:I'm not saying it's scummy, just that I don't like it.
Metal is being unhelpful though, but he's not a newbie.
In post 282, eyestott wrote:Well, he's not being helpful.
Remember when you mocked me earlier this game for proposing a policy lynch? (Well, maybe not you, but someone in this Town sure did.)
This is why I'm acceptably OK with them. If you are going to be generally useless or unhelpful to Town and scum won't shoot you because you are either on their team or just a fucking net drag to Town, you should lynch them and get it out of the fucking way rather than have someone who has done fuck all in LYLO making decisions they have no right to make.
Also, they're almost impossible to tell which alignment they are, so you could just hit scum as a bonus.
I see.I understand now.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Wanna talk about something, Om?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I dont like it. Math is normally active, but theres probably a reasonable explanation.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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