NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[Antihero]

VOTE: Antihero

Only villains are anti-hero.

educate yourself, fool

VOTE: twistedadvice

[Antihero]

oh hi mastin

[Antihero]

This is my first game with a "hydra." What are they and why do people do them? Lol

6 months and you don't know what a hydra is

...what rock have you been living under?

[Antihero]

this is going to be an easy game dudes

indeed

VOTE: bob

[Antihero]

wow, that last one from hopkirk was a doozy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hopkirk

[Antihero]

snarky

i don't remember a lot of macho bluster from you in double day
bad start for you buddy

[Antihero]

well, for one you're asking for cases on page 3 when beast was pretty clear on what his point was against you
second, your stance on KK makes no sense and tries to kind of parrot what GreyICE said while agreeing with the "KK is town" echochamber (you agree with burn, it sounds town; but..... then again, not?)
third, the monkeyman vote. it's pretty awful

now your turn.

[Antihero]

^see, this guy gets it

[Antihero]

"halt what's going on?"
weaksauce

[Antihero]

Annnnntiiiiii!

You don't have an opinion on me Anti!

I'm sad.

Why meta anti?

never pegged you for the needy type, greyice...
._.

what about meta (who's meta)...?

[Antihero]

And anti-hero want to respond after avoiding it in your last couple of posts?

benmage'd

[Antihero]

^you're very scum-ish

[Antihero]

Again anti-hero want to respond?

respond to what?

notice how you're immediately choosing to cast what i'm doing in the scummiest light without considering that maybe i don't know what the hell you're talking about

[Antihero]

VOTE: bob

[Antihero]

notice how you're immediately choosing to cast what hopkirk is doing in the scummiest light without considering that maybe you don't know what the hell he's talking about

You know in 80 you said "your turn".
Then in 84 right after that i responded.
Then you ignored the response?
If you indirectly and directly ask for a response then there is something wrong when you ignore said response.

you gave the response
i said "weaksauce"

we're really not going into "omg, you're avoiding, herpderpderp"

[Antihero]

parallelism

there's a chance hopkirk is foot in mouth townie

you're just scum, though

[Antihero]

So no response to what i'm saying? If you simply say it's wrong then the only thing there is your opinion rather than solid logic backing- which i have. when it comes down to logic vs someone saying "nah i don't think i even need to bother refuting the logic" then logic wins.

right, because it's important to "win"

sorry, but you can't claim "logicz" when your reasoning is "he's RVSing". to that i do say "weaksauce" and move on

[Antihero]

So...Bob and hopkirk are on the same team? I don't see any reason for Bob to be defending hop so strongly.

I'm whiteknighting

also tying us together in case I go down

see, he's even admitting it

Vote Count 1.05

Bicephalous Bob (3) - Twisted Advice, GreyICE, Antihero
Lords of the Unreal (3) - Turkish Van, MafiaSSK, Lords of the Unreal
MafiaSSK (2) - MonkeyMan576, PeregrineV
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
Turkish Van (1) - notscience
Antihero (1) - Bicephalous Bob
MonkeyMan576 (1) - Hopkirk
Hopkirk (1) - beastcharizard

Not Voting (5) - Katarina LeBlanc, Metal Sonic, Guzame, burn_209, jbomber732

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Antihero]

that's all the logic i see

"he's RVSing because he's covering for a scumbuddy" isn't rock-solid logic, it's speculation. i'm pretty sure that doesn't "win" against anything. also, i'm completely entitled to give my opinion and walk away from it without being shamed for "avoiding" something

[Antihero]

how about when peregrine did it here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5791787

[Antihero]

"You don't sound like you did in X Bob!" Meta makes me sad, Anti. Sadness can only be cured with murder.

Is jbomber the scums, anti?

you're anti-meta? i guess you learn something new every day... :\

jbomber, eh...?

[Antihero]

eh, jbomber reads a lot more newb to me
i don't think so

[Antihero]

@kk

i'm guessing your scumread on beast, monkeyman and i stem from your read on hopkirk and bob?
the one i'm really interested in is beast, please expound on that one

[Antihero]

@kk

i'm guessing your scumread on beast, monkeyman and i stem from your read on hopkirk and bob?
the one i'm really interested in is beast, please expound on that one

amendment: expound on your monkeyman one too, i think that one's interesting as well.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Hopkirk

How does it feel like being caught so early in the game? Are you the type to bus?

toxicity of the hopkirk wagon increasing....

[Antihero]

bringing the heat

VOTE: katarina leblanc

[Antihero]

trying to be cute and disarming while not really saying anything :3

[Antihero]

Dang it, that totally worked on me.

are...

... are you hitting on me?

[Antihero]

well there goes my self-esteem boost for today...

[Antihero]

snarky

[Antihero]

snarky

clever

/shrug

parallelism

[Antihero]

well, looks like i was wrong about jbomber

vote: jbomber

[Antihero]

well no

229 is textbook scum reaction
the appeasement in 230 is gravy

[Antihero]

'mkay

unvote
vote: bob

[Antihero]

Lots of flipping and putting votes on every wagons seems so opportunistic. It doesn't really seem you care who is lynched just you get a lynch/can sow as much distrust as possible/stir stuff up.

it's called scumhunting and gauging reactions

you should try it some time

[Antihero]

Can someone on the hopkirk wagon (I'd prefer one of the later votes) explain why it's a thing? "Bcoz he's scummy" is not an answer.

not on the wagon, but i'll take this one

it's because he bills himself as a "logical" player, but there's a lot of holes in his logic. the last series of posts on my bob vote is a prime example; there's an assumption that there's only one way to play as town and that vote hopping is a scumtell.

other than kat's vote, i don't have an issue with the composition of the hopkirk wagon. i'm a lot more wary of the white-knights.
^notty, what are you thinking re: what i said last line

[Antihero]

I failed english

Is the last quote me speaking or him.

I feel like burn/hopkirk will make their alignments known after a while, I've seen burn get run up every game he's had thus far and hopkirk is kinda out there. I'm waiting for a good non-lynchbait wagon.

with the kind of scumlords we have floating around out there? bob and khan, for instance.

you're really at that much of a loss?

[Antihero]

oh don't be cute with me grey, you know you like it.

but alas, mr. emperor, i'm afraid that you are not wearing any clothes. while i agree with your reads on bob and khan and beast, jbomber wagon is likely a red herring.

[Antihero]

wait a second... an cutesy, sugarcoated scumread with a " " at the end?

that last post wasn't by greyice at all.

IT WAS MASTIN. HE HACKED GREY'S ACCOUNT.
quick, get mr flay!

[Antihero]

i dream of a day when you don't think i'm an incompetent stupid ass

sadly, i don't think that day will ever come...

[Antihero]

i can't just have a khan scumread as town without being scum sucking up to you?
to you, i'm just a scum stooge, parroting everything you say just to avoid your ire...

I GET IT, MR. GOD. I CAN'T HAVE AS GOOD OF READS AS YOU WITHOUT BEING SCUM, RIGHT?

[Antihero]

super cereal time:

the main reason i dislike khan is his beast and monkeyman push

ok, fine, i can kind of accept it if he thinks i'm scum and i'm taking advantage of hopkirk (i'm kind of an abrasive asshole sometimes). but, come on, beast is pretty obvtown and monkeyman isn't that far behind him. to my understanding, the beast case amounted to "he's aggressively pushing his hopkirk read", which is pretty weak. the monkey case is even thinner.

now, i'd like to hear more about the "strongest scumreads": grey and jbomber, which apparently failed to come up in the last post.

[Antihero]

Nah but it's mostly the way this is like the first real conversation we've had, and it's all sarcastic and shit.

right...
... "sarcastic"...

i only laugh because i feel insecure...

[Antihero]

Are you blind? I quoted bob's post. where did I ask anti any question?

no, but it's still part of the "vote hopping is scummy" argument.

Vote Count 1.13

Hopkirk (3) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) - PeregrineV, Antihero
burn_209 (2) - Lords of the Unreal, MafiaSSK
jbomber732 (1) - burn_209
beastcharizard (1) - Katarina LeBlanc
Katarina LeBlanc (1) - Turkish Van
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
Guzame (1) - jbomber732
MafiaSSK (1) - notscience
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob
Kublai Khan (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (3) - Metal Sonic, Guzame, Hopkirk

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Antihero]

"staying with one vote" is scummy

[Antihero]

not scumreading you, jbomber

i'm educating you

[Antihero]

Antihero, you discuss the appeasing thing in 237. Looking at it along with his subsequent play, do you still think jbomber is scum trying to placate his critics?

that's one explanation for it
or he could just be a people pleaser

gut's telling me it's the latter

[Antihero]

Grey, I'm not sure about Khan right now; I agree that his stances are less than solid, but I'm also seeing some genuine attempts to figure people out in the process. I disagree about jbomber quite a bit though. His reaction to you calling him out on not voting doesn't read scummy. He eventually places a vote but didn't exactly leap to appease you in the process. I'd expect scum to move one way or hte other, especially with the slight town read on you he professed right around the time you called him out. Brown-nosing scum seem more likely to do that along with placing a vote, or get paralyzed and not vote at all.

this would be good if khan was... i don't know.. an "intermediate" player (like me)

given his join date, i would think his scum game has advanced beyond that

what i said before about beast and the hard line defense of bob bugs me, but you're saying that you think it's an attempt to figure something out?

[Antihero]

what do you mean by people pleaser?

you're really self-conscious about how other people see you and really want to be seen as town

it's the kind of newb i was, and it's fairly common

[Antihero]

Grey, I'm not sure about Khan right now; I agree that his stances are less than solid, but I'm also seeing some genuine attempts to figure people out in the process. I disagree about jbomber quite a bit though. His reaction to you calling him out on not voting doesn't read scummy. He eventually places a vote but didn't exactly leap to appease you in the process. I'd expect scum to move one way or hte other, especially with the slight town read on you he professed right around the time you called him out. Brown-nosing scum seem more likely to do that along with placing a vote, or get paralyzed and not vote at all.

this would be good if khan was... i don't know.. an "intermediate" player (like me)

given his join date, i would think his scum game has advanced beyond that

what i said before about beast and the hard line defense of bob bugs me, but you're saying that you think it's an attempt to figure something out?

actually, just had a look at khan's profile and it's about comparable to mine. i have a pretty unusually crappy scum game, though.

whatever. the last line of the above post still stands. my general point was that any scumbag who isn't terrible could pretty easily evade penny's scumtells

[Antihero]

meh, antagonism is null unless it's serving a clear purpose to advance reads. i don't think complaining about hydras qualifies.

re: bob; right. bob is such low hanging fruit that this wagon is just taking off in no time. oh wait a second...

[Antihero]

Gosh, the people I listed as "slightly scummy" on Page 10(ish.. whatever it was) have very thin cases on them. How atrociously suspicious of me.

you apparently thought it was worth mentioning, so i think it's worth analyzing

[Antihero]

i didn't ask another question

[Antihero]

yeah, i don't see a question that got ignored

deflect much?

[Antihero]

you apparently thought it was worth mentioning, so i think it's worth analyzing

Was it? Product was exactly as advertised.

so, because they're "weak" and only on page 10, i can't disagree with them and think you're scummy for them?

wait a second... isn't that the reason

you

scumread all those people in the first place?

[Antihero]

yeah, there's plenty to deflect to. you don't like the "unimportant" scum reads i want to talk about, so let's draw this arbitrary line somewhere and talk about the "important" ones (whatever the hell that means).

wow, way to be an asshole and change the spelling to "moar" to make me look like an idiot.

i saw your case on greyice (veiled and otherwise) in your post. and you not talking about jbomber is on you, don't try to use some horseshit chicanery to put it on me that i didn't follow up right then and there. i post stuff as i think of it.

Deflecting what from what? There is literally nothing to deflect from. You are making no sense and I literally do not understand why you're painting completely benign reads with the brush of nefariousness. I'm not pushing a case against beastcharizard or MonkeyMan576. I don't care about them too much, but I have an eye on them. I can't fathom why anyone would care about a "slight scumread" more than a "scumread".

You don't really care about my scumreads, but want everyone to take notice of my "slight scumreads" by repeating it over and over again. So what is your angle?

>_>
from the justifications, it looks like you put a lot more thought/are a lot more committed to the beast read than just "oh, i can take it or leave it". your tone is pretty blase for the monkeyman one, so maybe i'll give you that

i have a really strong townread on beast. so, yeah, i'm really interested when someone scum reads him (no matter how "slight"). it doesn't help that you're trying to flip the script on me and threaten me into letting it go.

[Antihero]

Hopkirk (3) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) – PeregrineV, Antihero
burn (2) – LotU, SSK

Everything else looks to be a one vote wagon. Could we consider lynching scum today, please?

Iago

bob has done no scumhunting in any shape or form so far this game (calling monkeyman "town for not reading the setup" is the closest he gets)
how is he town?

Vote Count 1.15

Hopkirk (3) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) - PeregrineV, Antihero
burn_209 (2) - Lords of the Unreal, MafiaSSK
jbomber732 (1) - burn_209
beastcharizard (1) - Katarina LeBlanc
Katarina LeBlanc (1) - Turkish Van
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
Guzame (1) - jbomber732
MafiaSSK (1) - notscience
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob
Kublai Khan (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (3) - Metal Sonic, Guzame, Hopkirk

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Antihero]

Explain how 363 comes from scum.

he used his fingers, and he typed it. or he used that fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software. not really sure.

i don't see what you think is so town about it, especially his reaction to my push

here's a town response:
"fuck you, antihero. i'm scumreading beast and that's that. i think X and X are scummy and i don't know why you're defending him so much."

scum response:
"well, it's not a strong scumread it was a

slight

scumread. why do you want to talk about it anyway? we should talk about greyice. you're scummy if you don't want to talk about greyice. you know, if you don't change the subject, i'm going to start calling you scum."

[Antihero]

holy shit bob is at least on everyone's "leaning scum" list but NOBODY is voting him

[Antihero]

well, khan's latest reach-out post is actually pretty town.

[Antihero]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

especially since he's a pretty conversational player

jafar and iago

, we need to have a chat about this slot^

i'm super, super cereal

[Antihero]

Post 15 was townish but it's starting to become a faded memory so you probably have a good point. I'm planning do some updated analysis and post new reads on Sunday. Time to see who is trying to slip under the radar.

context context context is key

trying to be cute and clever isn't a scumtell

trying to be cute and clever in the absence of anything substantive comes off as trying to appear town without really doing anything (scum)

[Antihero]

I'm not sure I really get the volume of sudden beast hate. Nor the Khan hate. The latter of which, if it has been adequately explained ever, I have no recollection of reasons for.

I want PV to be town for trying, but this possible meta stuff is a bit bothersome.

Hopkirk and Bob are still scum, and we should wagon them better.

Iago

p-edit: Do we? It's pretty clearly scum, right?
Unless you're proposing something else?

ah, somehow i was inferring a Bob town read from post 359

...don't know what i was thinking...

[Antihero]

i'm super, super cereal

nice sk crumb

another cute comebacks, but this time with a dash of selective scumhunting

excellent recipe for scumbag soup

[Antihero]

The rush of posts! Too much content to read! I can't keep up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chill out, it's the weekend

[Antihero]

burn just got themselves added to my town list.

really? ya' think?

...

why?

[Antihero]

meta in moderation

might be a good place to start, but isn't even close to the end all be all

[Antihero]

spit it out, notty, what are you saying?

[Antihero]

you're too easy, beast

I'm saying that he gets wagoned early based on his playstyle and it isn't alignment indicative.

Both time it was actually the ICs that had the biggestm urdercock for him

Give him a bit of time, and he should make himself obvious.

i'm not wagoning him and i don't have a murder boner for him either.

[Antihero]

VOTE: mneumonic

i'm having an existential crisis...
somebody help me...

[Antihero]

bob's play has been the definition of cheeky scumfuck...
he even claim stalled at L-1...

but..
but...

mneumonic claimed scum and voted him...

LIFE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE

[Antihero]

re: beast; partly meta (he's really, really transparent as scum), partly because aggression comes off as town to me.

re: zombie man; not a policy lynch. I don't know about the Amished tell, but IIoA-style catch-up posts + too many inconclusive reads is classic scum replace-in posting.

[Antihero]

you know, that actually gave me a thought...

khan, your vote's been stationary for about 20 pages now. what's the deal with that? are you usually a wagon-shy player?

[Antihero]

Also. If you don't like reading long walls of text, then don't. SKIM to my reads.

here's let's do it. let's strip down your post to the bare bones.

scum: bob (because of active lurking), jbomber (gut, could be bad scum or town), katarina (bandwagon), hopkirk (lots of his posts rub wrong way), turkish (terrible posts, OMGUS)
town: burn_209 (slight town read, too much fencesitting (lol)), greyice (good scum?, arrogant, pretty town), twisted (?????), antihero (you like how i post)
?????: beast (I don't know where I stand on him), khan (?????)

there's a distinct lack of anything resembling substance on the following slots: khan, mafiassk, metalsonic, peregrinev, lords of the unreal, notscience.
and the ones you actually do give "reads" on aren't really anything to write home about either. while it's obvious that you expended a great deal of effort into writing player summaries, there's not much meat to your post, a lot of nebulous scum reads, and a lot of question marks on borderline cases (khan, beast, and peregrine all come to mind).

[Antihero]

there's a distinct lack of anything resembling substance on the following slots: khan, mafiassk, metalsonic, peregrinev, lords of the unreal, notscience.

beast should also be in this list.

...and they're not all lurkers. actually, with the exception of metalsonic and ssk, none of them are lurkers.

[Antihero]

khan, your vote's been stationary for about 20 pages now. what's the deal with that? are you usually a wagon-shy player?

Well, it depends. Every game is different. But generally I like to keep my vote on whoever I have the strongest scumread. And this game it's been GreyICE.

Plus the fact that he responded by counter-voting me and leaving it there for almost as long killed my incentive to move it.

sooo... post 522 doesn't do anything for you?

an obvious pattern emerges when you look at the town and scum reads. all the town reads are pretty universal (even burn, who i think gets more town reads than he should). aside from turkish van (the omgus case), all the scumreads are popular targets.

zombie man's analysis

really

reads genuine to you, khan?

Vote Count 1.21

mnemonicdevice (6) - GreyICE, Turkish Van, jbomber732, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal, beastcharizard
Bicephalous Bob (5) - PeregrineV, Twisted Advice, MafiaSSK, mnemonicdevice, Katarina LeBlanc
jbomber732 (1) - burn_209
beastcharizard (1) - Hopkirk
Hopkirk (1) - MonkeyMan576
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob

Not Voting (2) - Metal Sonic, notscience

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Antihero]

zombie man's analysis really reads genuine to you, khan?

Oh my, no. It's fucking horrible.

Scummy? Absolutely.

But I'm not in a hurry to end the day.

ugfhaslk;d;esw3wqoi;j2q3333333333p98hh8yp942q

help me

somebody

please

help

me

[Antihero]

I mean honestly. Lets assume for one second that this read was genuine, and you were actually town.

You would have spent the entire day doing nothing at all. Leaving me 9 votes away from lynch, and pushing the wagon with about as much effect as a flea pushing a lion.

I mean lets pretend you've learned SOMETHING in the 8 years you've spent on site. Does that strike you like you've used that knowledge for anything productive, Genghis?

^yeah, pretty much this

[Antihero]

what's on your to-do list khan?
if you need closure, then LET'S DO IT

[Antihero]

are we playing the same game, khan?
...or is that you don't have a town win condition?

i get that you and grey don't like each other (i'm gathering because of out of game reasons). but the zombie wagon should really be giving you dissonance to resolve in your scumreads. you can either a) change your read on grey or b) think that grey is bussing the shit out of mnemonic (or that grey is sk or whatever).
is there really that much vitriol that you would rather sit on the sidelines and NOT lynch one of your scumreads because "fuck you grey!"? do you need couple's counseling or something? if your dislike for grey's playstyle is making you play against your supposed win condition, there's some re-evaluation needed.

[Antihero]

This is better.

?
what are you talking about?

[Antihero]

I did catch that, and it doesn't sit well with me. The post surrounding it was also not great. Is it really worth making an instawagon of though? Someone may need to walk me through the theory behind it- is it simply "town don't iso their predecessors"? Because I totally do that.

Iago

hey twisted,
i walked you through this with reasoning in 522, 523, and 525.

[Antihero]

for everyone keeping up with this inane bullshit (which is nobody and i don't blame them), Bob is stalling the zombie wagon because Peregrine didn't respond to this.

In post 144, beastcharizard wrote:

Twisted kind of looks town.
Anti is probably town.
PV isn't lurking so it is worrying me some.
Hopkirk is scum.

I noted the same thing with PereV. My last completed game he ended up being engaged and active and I thought it was a towntell for him and it turned out he was some type of third party. So here's where my read with PereV kinda meshes up with yours. I'm not going to be so quick to call him town, but I'm not going to be so quick to call him scum either.

nobody was making any sweeping meta-arguments (beast came kind of sort of close, but not really since he didn't care to elaborate on his off-the-cuff remark). penny was just noting what happened

in her last game

. nothing more.

[Antihero]

i'm just going to keep linking these posts.
522 and 523 and
525

[Antihero]

so where's your vote?

[Antihero]

@grey Uh.... i didn't have to ISO guzame to know he said nothing. The fact that both times he posted, people commented a lot on his lack of content.

Can you cite a source please? Otherwise i will believe that you are trying to make it seem like i am scum by making up data.

These two are town posts.

I do not know who his predecessor is though but he sounds noob

wrong, sir

WRONG

Vote Count 1.24

mnemonicdevice (7) - GreyICE, Turkish Van, jbomber732, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal, beastcharizard, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (5) - PeregrineV, Twisted Advice, MafiaSSK, mnemonicdevice, Katarina LeBlanc
jbomber732 (1) - burn_209
beastcharizard (1) - Hopkirk
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob
Kublai Khan (1) - Metal Sonic

Not Voting (1) - notscience

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

Turkish Van's penguin_alien head is V/LA through April 9th.

[Antihero]

This post makes it very conclusive that khan is scum.

vote khan

I need to read shit but I'm fairly confident of this

really?

so, zombieman refuses to engage his only solid town read about his reads, and that's town.
but khan being rude is a "conclusive" sign he's scum?

so.
much.
horseshit.

metal is scum.

[Antihero]

Not whether or not they are scum

this "clarification" was both hilarious and townish

mneu are you often lynched as town

...and here comes scumbuddy bob, giving zombie man the "OMG, i'm mislynched

all the time

, poor me" out.

[Antihero]

i'm just going to keep linking these posts.
522 and 523 and
525

keep on revving that chainsaw, metal sonic

i'll just keep lynching obvscum while you quote random null posts and call them town

[Antihero]

grey, get LLD in here

[Antihero]

VOTE: khan

[Antihero]

you think both partners were awkwardly disinterested in mneu's wagon?

no
i retract my metal sonic scum read btw. that was more of a "you're pissing me off because you're standing in my way" read.

yeah I was bussing two partners while whiteknighting a townie and not giving any substantial reads besides that

who's the townie here?

[Antihero]

Town (I like how they post):
Kublai Khan
beastcharizard
Twisted Advice

Next down (Suspect as town, more wanted):
GreyICE
burn_209
Antihero
Turkish Van
MonkeyMan576

Still churning (more needed):
notscience
Katarina LeBlanc
Hopkirk
jbomber732

Better Off Dead (like the movie)
Metal Sonic-because I don't recall anything by them
Lords of the Unreal-because I don't recall anything by them, and there are 2 of them
MafiaSSK-because no posts yet no prods
Bicephalous Bob- because why not?
Guzame - because talked about the game but not the gamestate. like twice in 2 posts

[Antihero]

Also. If you don't like reading long walls of text, then don't. SKIM to my reads.

here's let's do it. let's strip down your post to the bare bones.

scum: bob (because of active lurking), jbomber (gut, could be bad scum or town), katarina (bandwagon), hopkirk (lots of his posts rub wrong way), turkish (terrible posts, OMGUS)
town: burn_209 (slight town read, too much fencesitting (lol)), greyice (good scum?, arrogant, pretty town), twisted (?????), antihero (you like how i post)
?????: beast (I don't know where I stand on him), khan (?????)

there's a distinct lack of anything resembling substance on the following slots: khan, mafiassk, metalsonic, peregrinev, lords of the unreal, notscience.
and the ones you actually do give "reads" on aren't really anything to write home about either. while it's obvious that you expended a great deal of effort into writing player summaries, there's not much meat to your post, a lot of nebulous scum reads, and a lot of question marks on borderline cases (khan, beast, and peregrine all come to mind).

[Antihero]

hopkirk and jbomber come out of those looking the worst

[Antihero]

you got me

i guess everyone's saying he's the sk (which is actually pretty reasonable)

in all likelihood, he's not groupscum, though

[Antihero]

If Bicephalous Bob is the SK, then let the mafia kill him.

VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc

oh? i'm intrigued.

let's have a chat about 1) TwistedAdvice and 2) Katarina. Why are you voting Katarina and what's your read on twisted?

[Antihero]

greyice called a few people scum. ._.

also, how would bob be playing against his win con as sk?

[Antihero]

I see a Bob and beast team. Bob looks pretty good of those two tho...

VOTE: Bob

awful

don't feel bad, though, SSK. you're in... a lot of company

[Antihero]

I haven't revised my reads to take into account the morning flips yet. Katarina LeBlanc is just striking me as pretending too hard to be stupid. So it's a good place to park my vote.

twisted read?

[Antihero]

oh hey penny and/or mala

so, are you going to be the ones to break this groupthink circle jerk and vote khan with me?

[Antihero]

oh hey penny and/or mala

so, are you going to be the ones to break this groupthink circle jerk and vote khan with me?

It's Mala I'm just constricted to a phone so can't image GiF.

Maybe, I'm not really seeing Bob as mainly scummy.

Also I dislike that Monkey is trying to start a wagon based on saying grey was killed for a threat when he lead the wagon on Mnemonic at a time where it wasn't needed and the momentum shifted which makes it very unlikely that the push would have been a scum push.
I'm also town leaning a bit over on Bob just because he was mnem's CW.

i didn't say "bob"

i said "khan"

[Antihero]

it was bluster. i ripped a page from kuribo's playbook: everyone not killing what i'm killing is scum. (see: metal sonic) again, i don't think bob is likely groupscum.

[Antihero]

Apologies for my lack of presence yesterday. The affairs of the kingdom and various other real life issues took precedence. I should be here with more consistency now.

Metal Sonic, could you explain post 730 and 731 for me? It looks suspiciously like you slipped insider information and tried to cover it with nonsensical jabbering as appears to be your trademark.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

~The Royal Vizier

i would say this is a good catch, but even assuming metal is scum and knows the roles, he still wouldn't know with certainty that there's a cop

[Antihero]

yeah but relying on slips is terrible

anyway khan was the only one to seriously respond to my rambling about pv

that would be the worst thing to do if he was scum

but maybe I'm giving him too much credit

defending a scum PR as scum is "the worst thing to do"?
in who's world?

[Antihero]

honesty time here

does anyone have a town read on khan? like a real one?

not like a "his posts are long and frequent enough to where i'll chuck him in the town pile out of laziness" one?

[Antihero]

Yes, and I'm baffled as to why I'm the only one.

I haven't looked at yesterday again yet, though.

Iago

you're baffled but you haven't really thought about it?

come on iago... honesty time

[Antihero]

here's khan's first reaction to the zombie wagon:

No tell is 'infallible'. You know this. Plus, are you applying it properly thought?

The amished tell is to point out that your predecessor was pretty scummy. mnemonicdevice just noted the lack of content.

The huge post of crap analysis might have earned a vote, but right now it looks like my top scum-read is trying to push a policy lynch. Not joining that wagon.

this summarizes all the late-day activity. a bunch of water treading and slap fighting with grey, but NOT lynching scum or even anything resembling scumhunting.

i even tried to reach out a couple times.
i'll refer you to my post 547 and
my post 534.

nothing though... even though mneumonic was obvscum and grey went out of his way to lynch his scummy ass, there was no introspection, no re-evaluation, no nothing. khan had his chance for the "come to jesus" moment. he let it pass because he's more worried about

appearing

town than actually being town.

[Antihero]

telling you you're wrong is "feeding the fire"?

i'm guessing the assumption here is "scumbags always ignore people who push their buddies"...?

because right now, off the top of my head, i can link you with at least two counterexamples (one of which is that double day you were in)

[Antihero]

/ugh...

when i'm talking about this, i feel like i'm talking with people who believe in those celebrity psychics/mediums

you're so impressed by trivial details that you can't step back, look at the big picture, and see that it's all smoke and mirrors

[Antihero]

/ugh...

when i'm talking about this, i feel like i'm talking with people who believe in those celebrity psychics/mediums

says the person who called tv's comment on ms's slip a good catch

no, i said it would have been a good catch if it was really a "slip".
it isn't. i said that.

[Antihero]

at first I thought the monkey was reading hopkirk as town

kk and pv were both awkwardly disinterested in mneu's wagon

yes... and...?

arbitrary rules like "only X number of scum act this certain way about Y" are generally oversimplified and inaccurate
ex. only X number of scum bussed yesterday, only X number of scum was on such and such wagon, only X number of scum are in the "null" section of [flipped scum]'s reads list

all the scumbags could have bussed yesterday just as easily as all of them staying off the wagon

[Antihero]

VOTE: Khan

Only because people won't vote Hopkirk the more obvious scum.

ok... now i feel like i'm browbeating people into a khan vote and that's not what i'm trying to do

i'm trying to get everyone to think critically about it. if you think khan is town, then fine. why? don't just point me to an isolated post or sentence and say "only town would say that". on the surface, any competent scum's iso is going to look pretty good and you're bound to find some "towntells" in there.
is there evidence that khan, overall, is playing to a town win condition (i.e. - scumhunting and lynching scum)?

if there is, i'll change my read, but i fail to see any

[Antihero]

Katarina LeBlanc and MonkeyMan576 are most likely to flip scum according to my re-read.

right...

a sentence or two about this...?

[Antihero]

Also, what's everyone's takes on the two players who aren't being discussed. Burn and science

why don't you weigh in on this yourself, jbomber?

you know, now that you mention it, hating the radio silence from notty. he hasn't posted in over a week

mod, prod please?

[Antihero]

I bothered to iso the dead scum. And hey, what do you know, Hopkirk is still scum!

mnem's interactions with Antihero and TV are slightly strange.

VOTE: Hopkirk.
I don't feel the Kat wagon at all btw.

Iago

lol,

my

reactions were slightly strange?

no, sir,

your

reactions were pretty damn sketchy (hence why i asked khan for a read).

[Antihero]

Katarina LeBlanc and MonkeyMan576 are most likely to flip scum according to my re-read.

right...

a sentence or two about this...?

Post 596

how does it follow that monkey's scum from that?

[Antihero]

speaking of twisted, i'll say my piece about him since khan kind of shrugged him off.

he's one of the leading candidates for mneumonic busmaster. go to his ISO and start at 482.

482: soft defense of mneumonic ("i also do the amished tell stuff")
483: beating the bob wagon drum still (wanting a claim from bob?... lol)
489 - 615: procrastinating on the mneumonic wagon while slap-fighting with greyice.
616: hammer without a claim. red flag since town would know that there would be a huge backlash if mneumonic flipped town. makes more sense if he knew mneumonic would flip scum.

now turkish van and I are getting dirt thrown on us because ... why?

come on out with it

[Antihero]

i don't want a defense, there's little use for it

there's an echo chamber of (hopkirk, bob, and katarina) votes with very little substance behind them. can any of these three wagoners give some stuff instead of a bunch of fluff?

[Antihero]

Hopkirk is just coming in and prod dodging by voting. There is no town motivation in his posts from what I can tell. Not to mention he is just voting very opportunistically. Look at the vote yesterday on mneumic, it just screams scum knowing their buddy is going down so they have to vote on the wagon to look even remotely town.

/nods
alright, that's good.

notty, come on back. i see you're posting elsewhere and now i'm starting to take it personally.

[Antihero]

monkey must i give a reason for a vote that I've explained so many times..?

And to everyone who is voting twisted, UNVOTE HE IS THE TOWNIEST ONE HERE!

no. you're wrong.
this is another case of "his posts are long and i'm not really reading"?

[Antihero]

@antihero: law of scumspread is that at least 1scummate was on the mnemonic wagon. Monkeyman's reason for jumping on the wagon was that mnemonic didnt do anything scummy, but guzame did. Doesn't that strike you as bullshit?

well... i don't know

i don't know about law of scumspread (is that real? i don't know), but the basic laws of probability say that the odds are good that a random sampling of 11 players in the game will contain scum.

not sure why monkeyman's jump looked like any more of a bus than anyone else's, though. i mean, yeah, it's kind of bizarre to say that guzame was the reason for the vote but it's lacking in scum intent

[Antihero]

I did catch that, and it doesn't sit well with me. The post surrounding it was also not great. Is it really worth making an instawagon of though? Someone may need to walk me through the theory behind it- is it simply "town don't iso their predecessors"? Because I totally do that.

Iago

there's no defensive tinge to this post? come on, that's just disingenuous...

Can you explain what you meant by procrastinating the wagon. I wasn't actually here for that bit. I assume that Iago was waiting to check in with me but figured he should hammer then. Especially since the Bob wagon was able to be derailed so hard.

Procrastinating. Not voting obvscum mneumonic while taking potshots at grey (something to the effect of "he could be bussing" and a little bit of sticking up for khan).

none of that really matters though. what really sticks out is the hammer without a claim. i really want to know what ya'll's plan was going to be if mneumonic flipped town. as town, it would be foolish to hammer without a claim since you're essentially chaining together two mislynches and giving scum total plausible deniability for both. the lolhammer only really makes sense if you know what he's going to flip and you know you're not going to get much immediate backlash.

[Antihero]

I dont get the wagon on twisted. Him and KK are the two players who are most town at the moment. People jumping on him about dropping the hammer so quick are reaching and reaching far. Mnemonic was going to get lynched no matter what and I can see not wanting to wast another 5 days of irl time to get MAYBE 2 more pages of debating whether or not we should drop the hammer on him or not. Call it impatience if you will but I succumb to that more often than not.....ask Notscience lol

Bob has to be town after the mnemonic post during twilight. Its either that or he is the SK so is that necessarily a risk that we want to take at this stage in the game. No matter what it is damn near impossible he is mafia after that post by mnemonic.

Jbomber is fucking killing me with that masons post, then has the nerve to act like it was a fucking joke afterwards. When shit like that happens you shut the hell up about it because you dont know if scum saw it or not. Hell I didnt even see it until you said something and then it made sense. How you are still alive right now is beyond me.

i have a scum read on about half the players in this game, including this one^; that's not good

anyone with (

good

) townreads on one of the following slots, please feel free to help me out:
SSK
Khan
Twisted
burn
hopkirk
notscience
Lords of the Unreal
metal sonic

[Antihero]

if i think burn is scum, i'm scum...?

wouldn't that also mean burn is scum because i would know he's scum...

/mindblown

[Antihero]

so, i ask for good townreads and i get a casting call for "biggest asshole in the game" instead

awesome

[Antihero]

I have a good townread on hop and twisted. Twisted is just obvious town, and hop is employing my play style as town so therefore he must be town too. /logic and burn it was a joke actually, and I thought everyone else would see it. I mean, i highly highly doubt those two are masons, since ssk is one of my large scum reads.

you and i have differing opinions of "obvious"
also, how does having similar playstyles make one town/scum?

[Antihero]

so, i ask for good townreads and i get a casting call for "biggest asshole in the game" instead

awesome

Nice overreaction.

Iago

nice dirt throwing

VOTE: Twisted Advice

Vote Count 2.08

Kublai Khan (4) - Metal Sonic, Katarina LeBlanc, Bicephalous Bob, beastcharizard
Katarina LeBlanc (3) - Kublai Khan, Lords of the Unreal, MafiaSSK
Hopkirk (2) - Turkish Van, Twisted Advice
Twisted Advice (2) - Hopkirk, Antihero
Bicephalous Bob (1) - jbomber732
jbomber732 (1) - MonkeyMan576

Not Voting (2) - notscience, burn_209

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline is May 4th, 3:20 PM EST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-05-04 15:20:00)

[Antihero]

looking at burn's ISO and nothing really sticks out at me. really, my issue with this slot is signal : noise ratio. the jbomber push is meh (and he doesn't even have his vote on it btw) and i don't really see him sticking his neck out for much of anything (twisted comments are the closest thing but even then...)

i can probably safely write this slot off as town just because the laws of probability on are on my side if i do that, but seriously "trust tell levels of town" is made up horseshit.

[Antihero]

...???

You were expecting me to say "yeah, you're right, I'm a giant asshole for insulting your intelligence (only if you're town) a grand total of once"???

not getting sucked into this

[Antihero]

and yeah, if you're stooping to calling people stupid, you're being an asshole and should probably stop and maybe have some empathy for people who aren't as brilliant as you are

[Antihero]

Funny, you didn't seem to care when Greyice was doing it to people other than you.

there was obvious out-of-game stuff behind that vitriol that i wasn't going to touch with a ten foot pole. i have no quarrel (that i'm aware of) with you and pulling the "you're stupid" card and then incriminating me for being pissed is really really scummy.

twisttwisttwist some more, though

[Antihero]

You know all that shit about not offending people? Yeah, that's just my usual passive-aggressive bullshit. I'm an asshole whenever I want, I just get mad if others treat me with the same lack of respect that I treat them with.

inference

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:

i need to go through my list with a critical eye; also, i need to step back for a moment and let the game breathe. we also need to see more metal sonic and notty.

[Antihero]

VOTE: khan

notty, you're not off the hook. give me something good (preferably while i'm still sober)

[Antihero]

i'm open to reason. that last post just reminded me why he was scum.

"oh look at me, i'm totally town everybody. humminahumminahummina"

[Antihero]

Sorry, Khan's town. I'll go with TA though.

VOTE: Twisted Advice

khan-ssk team

book it

[Antihero]

i'm voting khan

[Antihero]

tbf i am full on scumreading you because of how drastically different your play here is versus dark ages

now do you wanna' die today or do you want to bus your buddy khan?

Vote Count 2.11

Kublai Khan (4) - Metal Sonic, beastcharizard, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal
Twisted Advice (2) - Hopkirk, MafiaSSK
MafiaSSK (2) - jbomber732, Twisted Advice
MonkeyMan576 (1) - Kublai Khan
Hopkirk (1) - Turkish Van
jbomber732 (1) - MonkeyMan576
notscience (1) - Bicephalous Bob

Not Voting (3) - notscience, burn_209, Katarina LeBlanc

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline is May 4th, 3:20 PM EST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-05-04 15:20:00)

[Antihero]

^scumpost

[Antihero]

i'll be back in a few hours.
i hope to see something good (hopefully, in the form of a musical number) from notty by then

[Antihero]

^scumpost

Likely townie ns IMO

nonono, i've played with notty. your poorly applied meta doesn't hold shit here.

such high expectations

Does he want Cats

does he want Annie

the world may never know

i'll settle for fuckin' suessical at this point

something, not nothing

[Antihero]

beast has a point. besides, appeals to authority don't mean jack shit.

if you have (good) meta, then let me know, but i know notty isn't a VI so anyone coming in here with "oh notty always plays like this" is wrong

[Antihero]

Ns isn't giving a fuck for most of his games site wide, currently.

2 seconds of looking at his site-wide activity says this is wrong.

[Antihero]

WIFOMy and terrible

[Antihero]

VOTE: notscience

[Antihero]

it's not a scummy opinion. it's the fact that you feel the need to share it when there's really not that much disruptive discussion going on about it.

don't care. notscience is selectively ignoring this game and hopkirk is scumming it up so either can die now.

Vote Count 2.14

Kublai Khan (3) - Metal Sonic, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal
MafiaSSK (3) - jbomber732, Twisted Advice, Hopkirk
notscience (3) - Bicephalous Bob. Turkish Van, Antihero
MonkeyMan576 (2) - Kublai Khan, Katarina LeBlanc
Hopkirk (1) - beastcharizard
jbomber732 (1) - MonkeyMan576
Twisted Advice (1) - MafiaSSK

Not Voting (2) - notscience, burn_209

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline is May 4th, 3:20 PM EST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-05-04 15:20:00)

[Antihero]

thank you. was that so hard?

VOTE: hopkirk

[Antihero]

Maybe you should vote monkey cause ns made a case on monkey?

[Antihero]

Am I the only one who's noticed that Hopkirk's day 2 play has consisted entirely of shameless bandwagon hopping?

no, it seems that the "logical" playstyle i was given so much shit about on day 1 has given way to a million opportunistic votes (culminating in the magnum opus of the monkey vote)

[Antihero]

Notice how every person i've voted today (4) i had as potential scum yesterday.

oh ok. for a second there, i was thinking that you stopped really interacting with the thread and just voted your previous "scumreads" to maintain the illusion of consistency, but that totally takes care of that...

[Antihero]

something fun while i was looking at mneumonic's posts:

Lords of the Unreal- 11 posts. 5 of them nothing. Dislikes hopkirk in the 6th. Dislikes and votes burn in 7th.Doesn't really do anything in the rest of them, but vote bob. Null read for now. PLEASE START POSTING
MafiaSSK- POST PLEASE
Metal Sonic- POST PLEASE

^one of these is scum. i'm actually inclined to think it's lords of the unreal

[Antihero]

I could buy into that.

But I'm apeshit for a monkey wagon atm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

I GET IT

"

APE

"SHIT

MONKEY

YOURE SO FUNNY NOTTY

[Antihero]

monkey's a trap scum read. the greyice kill makes me pretty sure he's town this time, though.

[Antihero]

lolnope, never mind it's SSK

[Antihero]

what do you think of the interactions between him/PV- or lackthereof?

What do you think of him starting from the end of yday into today?

re: peregrine; i don't see anything particularly incriminating, no.

re: second thing; i don't really know what you're talking about. i read your case post and i don't think i'm following you; can you (or someone else from the wagon) please restate it?

[Antihero]

Okay.

So he made a comment at the end of the day yesterday about the end of the wagon being scummy. He was vote 7 or 8 on the wagon.

The 3 votes made after him were Twisted Advice and two others. He said those needed looking into today.

At his entrance into today, he quotes a GreyICE post where greyICE says to lynch (Twisted, Bob, Hopkirk or someone idr).

So, in his lsit yesterday that was deemed scummy as well as in the list greyICE said to lynch, lies Twisted Advice, yet we dont see a voet for him.

i don't think greyice ever said twisted was scum

[Antihero]

beast, i think it would be helpful if you explained why you purposefully screwed up the vote tags as scum in your last game (i'm assuming you did it intentionally if you're treating it as a scumtell)

[Antihero]

So, I realize most of my case on Monkey is bullshit.

and yet...

Aj The Epic (7) - Kublai Khan, Katarina LeBlanc, notscience, Lords of the Unreal, Metal Sonic, jbomber732, Hopkirk

every remaining scumbag might be on this wagon

[Antihero]

khan, would you mind doing me a solid and summarizing the case on monkey for me?

[Antihero]

khan, would you mind doing me a solid and summarizing the case on monkey for me?

Not addressed to me, but at this point I'm finding it weird that AJ isn't doing anything. Not a 'hey, will catch up soon' or 'hey, here's my claim' or even 'hey, don't lynch me until I can catch up and claim.'

--PA

he hasn't posted site-wide since thursday, penny

also, khan's scum

[Antihero]

you unvote, because the OP's scuminess never existed in the first place

[Antihero]

Well that is based on your reads. But seriously, pretend you scumread monkey. Now answer my question.

i don't IC newbie games for a reason

if it were me, i would reverse my read, unvote, and do whatever impulsive thing came to mind first.

[Antihero]

Again as I have said many times when you are town you have to MAKE SHIT HAPPEN and all I see is KK making shit happen.

for example.... what?

he certainly didn't make the scum lynch happen.

[Antihero]

can someone other than twisted advice

please

have a serious conversation with me about burn? i hate hate hate hate hate hate that last post

[Antihero]

i can't help that your man-crush on burn is making it impossible to work with you

[Antihero]

i feel like there's a lot of commentary on

detailed

/ theory stuff (notty, beast's tag hangup, metal sonic's "scumslip" thing), but there's a LOT of big picture stuff that's missing.
there's nothing about hopkirk (which is a significant wagon) and the stuff about monkeyman is kind of vague (he wants to believe it, what does that mean?). and the paragraph where he does give a read (khan) is mostly bullshit.
the push on jbomber is really stale at this point. i don't feel like there's really any "umph" behind it. doesn't it bother him that not many other people think bomber is scum?

i guess the bottom line is that i'm really bothered because i just read a wall, but i don't feel like i learned anything about burn. i hate text walls that raise more questions than they answer.

[Antihero]

Didn't Leblanc make a big post against burn already?

yes, and i endorse (the majority) of that post. but i don't really know if kat is scumreading burn for sure

i feel like a lot of people are giving burn a pass because there's a group mentality of "ooooo, shiny long posts, he's town".
want to know how i know? most people getting scumread are mostly lurkers who post one-liners (SSK, katarina, monkeyman's slot)

[Antihero]

burn does not strike me as dumb

[Antihero]

Not Voting (4) - burn_209, Turkish Van, Kublai Khan, Katarina LeBlanc

red flags (minus kat)

[Antihero]

2.) "They are asking more questions than they are answering themselves and relying on other people to do all the work for them.": I have answered every question aimed at me. I have scumreads which i am placing votes on so no i'm not relying on anyone else since i clearly have reads I'm following on.

right. reads that don't progress and have been the same since day 1.

nothing on aj's entrance. that's neat.

[Antihero]

It's quite tempting to vote a lurking hydra.

I'll wait until I'm caught up, though. See you all later.

'mkay

[Antihero]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

I didn't like his jump onto the Lords of the Unreal wagon.

Sorry that I've been so busy. My courses are taking up much of my time with final exams.

my faith

in this slot

is thin

[Antihero]

I'm seriously back to being a policy lynch? Ugh.

Then convince me to vote Lords of the Unreal over you.

I'm pretty sure one of the two of you are scum.

oh? why's that?

[Antihero]

Screw it. I have been reading you as scum all game. I am

dropping the shitty lurking act

I was putting up.

i'm now OK with you being dead

VOTE: SSK

[Antihero]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

^this is confirmed buddy if SSK flips mafia

[Antihero]

What about katrina who actually hammereD?

my mistake, i thought it was a post-hammer vote

[Antihero]

claim stalling

======[]

[Antihero]

I agree that the day should end so town can collect deadlines.

"oh look at me i'm so town hominahominahomina"

hammer this

[Antihero]

I almost want to call it town for asking to die so desperately and not selfhammering... but not quite.

Still intentionally dragging day out.

Iago

that was SSK's bait

...and you took it

[Antihero]

also that was the closest thing to a town post i've ever seen ssk write and the fact he's not fighting this lynch at all doesn't make me feel good about the odds of him flipping scum

that's the bait

you are taking it

[Antihero]

he already claimed VT (at the start of today)

missed that, fine

hammer him

[Antihero]

so he's scum regardless of what he does and everything he does now is bait

there's a big difference between acting town and saying something wifomy to be perceived as town

[Antihero]

i'm not even confident mafiassk is town (prior to the last couple posts by him, i woulda been perfectly fine lynching him just because he could be scum and poe coz i have too many town reads elsewhere) but this isn't how i've ever seen him react as scum so unless it's

a meta thing designed specifically to fool people who rely on meta

(in which case, wow, that's the best scum play i've ever seen ssk make) i'm not feeling all that great about this lynch atm

yes, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to fool those people

pushing the buttons

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and then when he eventually votes mnem, rather than agreeing that anything mnem said or did was scummy, he uses guzame as his excuse for voting.

ok... this makes sense from scum... why?

khan pushed the same line of reasoning and i'm still wondering why it's a scum indicator. if monkeyman wanted to bus the zombieman slot, he could have easily blended into the "mneumonic is scummy as shit" echo chamber without much fuss.

AJ's contribution to the game was "wheee haven't read anything yet" and then people unvoted and lynched hopkirk for ~magical reasons~ and because i am a mere muggle i cannot understand the magic here

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the inconsistency in the read. if monkeyman had guzame as scum, where the fuck did that scum read disappear to in 428? literally nothing had changed between his fos and that post, but his scum read on guzame (or at least his willingness to lynch guzame) had entirely evaporated. it looks like scum forgetting he had distanced from his buddy or capitalising on the fact the pressure had dropped due to guzame's inactivity.

meh

and the vote really felt like scum going "hey, i'm bussing the fuck out of my partner because he's a sinking ship. wait... better come up with something so it looks like i'm not actually doing that... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think i fosed guzame at some point! yeah, i'll use that!"

because town loudmouth greyice calling him town wasn't good enough. he had to come up with some bizarre, elaborate scheme to draw scrutiny to himself and bus without collecting any towncred at the end of it.

saying "vote mneumonic, [insert recycled reasoning]" or even "vote: mneumonic, choo choo motherfuckers" probably wouldn't have done much damage to monkey's overall standing and it actually probably would have given him brownie points with greyice.

i'm a little interested in where the town read on the Cho/notty slot's coming from, muffin.

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i dunno how you think tacking a vote onto the end of a sinking ship would have earned him brownie points

ok, i think you're not understanding whose thought process is out in left field. it's yours.

why, in a time where everyone is pretty much sheeping greyice, would monkeyman feel the need to make a weird vote that stands out (like you're arguing)? wouldn't it be a lot easier to just blend in with the rest of the sheep?

occam's razor

meta

meta can be left in the trash where it belongs

anything else?

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what the hell...?

did notty replace himself with one of his alts?

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walk me through how you usually look for scum on a scum lynch

i don't "look for scum on a scum lynch". hunting from a specific wagon is an exercise in futility.

with the exception of greyice, not one person on that mneumonic wagon had "original reasoning", so why would monkeyman feel the need for it? i still think it would be easier for scum-monkey to vote sheep onto the wagon and then point the finger to the 7 other wagoners

if

people started hunting for bussers (and that's a big if; part of the point of bussing is to avoid the scrutiny that comes with not being part of a scum lynch).

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oh, poor put-upon khan

Flip ssk so at least we can narrow down the Poe to lotr or monkey if necessary

This doesn't really sound like you're convinced he's scum.

The sad part is I can see MafiaSSK being shitty and town because he's generally shitty anyways. But MonkeyMan576 (now Aj the Epic) did some unexplained questionable shit relative to a flipped scum and Lords of Unreal's "I'm an apathetic hydra who votes big bandwagons and just reasonlessly calls people scum" attitude is massively unhelpful at best and scummy at worst. So both of them are better lynches.

no attempt to actually sort SSK. that's cool.

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ssk wagon stalls for no reason...

fun stuff!

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Well I have been waiting to see if MafiaSSK would become useful

next time you take a dump, sit on the toilet and wait to see if it turns into a gold nugget.

you'll be waiting just as long.

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and just hammer. he already claimed.

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high 5

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VOTE: turkish van

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TV is town bro..

no
and you're not my bro

3. We should probably be looking for any breadcrumbs that metal left. He's smart enough to have left some I think.

if i had to guess, cho or muffin (

maybe

twisted advice). kind of hard to say, though.

Why?

signal : noise ratio is close to zero. also feels pretty distant.

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Also three nights of results in 19p game is more than enough to break open.

i agree

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VOTE: turkish van

Of course unless I'm wrong this is a cop claim, right?

nope, i'm not a cop

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Seven words on TV-scum. I'm willing to entertain it.

only need 2

calculated inaction