Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Elbirn]

Woah, this game started already? Time sure flies by fast during the holidays.

VOTE: Elbrin

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice BEETLEJUICE!

I'm Bart Simpson, who the hell are you?






Okay so alisae pine and cabd are all town

Alisae, I say this respectfully, but the kitty thing is kinda overdone. It's...every single post of yours.


......Unless you have a post restriction, in which case carry on I guess?

VOTE: Lapsa

[Elbirn]

Okay so alisae pine and cabd are all town

Justify these, especially the third one.

Alisae is incredibly lighthearted, carefree. She's not self conscious, and I'd think she'd be more reserved if playing her first scum game (?). Good tone, good feels here friends

Pine is town because I'd agree that scum have more of a focus on the player list. I don't think I agree with your reasoning that scum sit in the scum thread and pick out weak players from the get go because I've literally never done that? But I do think that scum have a better knowledge of the player list because there's this feeling of "okay it's US versus THEM and we better know who US is"

If that makes any sense.

So tldr I find it less likely that a scum player has no idea that your wife isn't in the player list.

Alisae, tone down the juvinilia. More than being annoying, it will cause many people, myself included, to take nothing you say seriously. Not being taken seriously is anti-Town.

And he makes posts like these which are town


And as for you cabd, idk you're town because I say so. I have enjoyed your words so far and your interactions with pine seem a fair analysis

[Elbirn]

You're gross

[Elbirn]

Hello Titus.

VOTE: Elbrin

Regardless of time of game, if you're going to be serious and call someone town, have a reason.

You're scum.

No reason.

Hi titus, I'm really glad you're town

Hi baby boo, still cant read my scumgame

Actually i didn't read the thread and just voted you

I have now

77 is a scumclaim and aj is bussing.

VOTE: Elbirn

A scumclaim? Do tell!

[Elbirn]

CloudKicker's posts give me a brain aneurysm which is a shame because I really wanted to like him because CloudKicker (the artist) is lit

The wagon on me is garbage and I think is based entirely on people having never played with my flippant gut reading obnoxiousness

I wanna wagon Uzi so I think I will

I forget what else I wanted to say

[Elbirn]

Woah, this game started already? Time sure flies by fast during the holidays.

VOTE: Elbrin

Woah, this game started already? Time sure flies by fast during the holidays.

VOTE: Elbrin

What is your opinion about Lapsa's behavoir?

Seems like he's just trolling. I want to say VI but it's clear he's scum reading Cab for the mason claim.

Mama Titus has spoken!

He just... dude idk hes really really awkward

I don't like that he comes in, ignores all the conversation going on to rvs me and his tone is so off about "oh huh didn't realize the thread opened"

He then.....confuses Lapsa with pine maybe? And says nothing substantial.

And then awkwardly interjects into something not about him with some shit that doesn't matter


Dude idk I'm at work reading is hard

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Get in here and impress me nerd

[Elbirn]

im lit too UNVOTE:

Why unvote me?

[Elbirn]

Well, feels like my vote is in the right place. I do agree with the town read on Alisae though and I'm sure a quick meta dive can confirm how she's been described for those who do TR her. I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive. Her questions and reads feel like they're coming from town.

Yeah, nah. You don't get to keep your rvs vote on me, not explain why, and then instead of talking about why you think I'm scum go off on a tangent about alisae instead. Tell the good people of this thread why I'm scum

Square up, you bout to catch these blessed hands

Gladiate: Lil Uzi Vert

[Elbirn]

Ugh

Gladiate: Lil Uzi Vert

There it is

[Elbirn]

I think it's pretty obvious why you're being scum read but if it wasn't, please refer to Sonia's 85.

So you don't really have anything here, just "uhh yeah what she said". Nothing else to contribute, nothing else happened in the following pages that you felt worth noting or contributed to your thought process.

I am underwhelmed.

[Elbirn]

I also don't like that there doesn't seem to be any signs of scum hunting or attempts to do so in his ISO.

Ah, that old "he hasn't done anything disregard everything he's said" line. Classic meme bro

[Elbirn]

I don't think it's a selfish dick move to ensure a scum lynch, Titus

I am surprised it took everyone 3 pages to even notice though

[Elbirn]

@elbirn i fosed your 77 for tone and structure but when you replied to me, you showed me the contrary and i liked the post

Are you talking about this post?

CloudKicker's posts give me a brain aneurysm which is a shame because I really wanted to like him because CloudKicker (the artist) is lit

The wagon on me is garbage and I think is based entirely on people having never played with my flippant gut reading obnoxiousness

I wanna wagon Uzi so I think I will

I forget what else I wanted to say

I'm not really sure what I said that "showed you the contrary"? Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean?

[Elbirn]

Say there is a gladiator in the game. Wouldn't Elbrin stand out a bit too much considering this? I mean, he has the biggest wagon on him at the moment. Yet he's trying to grab more attention to himself. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

I figured that if I was gonna go down I better take scum with me

No brakes on this train, friend

[Elbirn]

Its kinda really annoying that everyone is asking you to overexplain every single thing that is being said, @elbirn if you actually read my post you wouldve understood, i said structure and post/tone was different, i liked it better and your 77 was probably you trolling or something

Man I'm just trying to understand what you're saying, it sounded like you were saying that my second post explained the previous post, and I wasn't sure how. But now I see what you meant was simply that you liked my second post. I don't see how 77 looks like trolling and I honestly stand by it but okay

[Elbirn]

This doesn't feel right.

You're upset about the gladiate, huh.

It's gonna be okay old friend, just power lynch the scum and go from there

[Elbirn]

I'm heading to bed, and have to make this post to force myself to actually go to sleep rather than continue refreshing the page

Try not to hammer me/Uzi before I wake up? I'd like to get final words/thoughts in.

Gnight funny internet people

Pedit: aww cephrir I was having fun

[Elbirn]

Elbrin, what were you attempting to accomplish with the fake gladiate?

Stirring the pot. More than establishing that "yeah I scumread this fool", I like to see how people respond. I was gonna be nice actually and reveal that it was fake and save everyone some grief, cuz no one even noticed or cared and everyone knew it was fake, including uzi? But then you seemed convinced/concerned it was real so I kept playing at it.

I'll need to go reread all of that mess to see what I think about it. Protip I do this in like every game on day 1.

show that he actually scumread uzi and whatnot

Could be distancing, don't think such an assumption is correct here yet. Looking at the two together in ISO it's weird the way LUV just ignored it the whole way through, because even though the gladiator claim was fake, the concerns Elbirn raised about the reason LUV was keeping his vote on him were valid, but LUV doesn't respond in a way that should satisfy town!Elbirn if he is actually SRing LUV. This is more AI of Elbirn than LUV though

...Show me where I gave any indication of being satisfied.

[Elbirn]

quote="In post 552, Titus"]Cabd, I am at Lapsa AJ TL as stronger scumreads. Alisae uneases me, same with Uzi. Gamma might be scum.

Cloudkicker solid town. Pine and Sonia lean town. Nero is likely town, not by his content, but by the posturing in thread. Mozamis weak town.

Nostramus, gun to head town.

Be my soundingboard? Cloud, please chime in too.

Peace out until tonight.[/quote]

Posts made by nos by thus point:

quack
VOTE: Alisae

alsjdlsakjdlsa

Titus what the fuck I thought you were town
How could you do this to me?

[Elbirn]

You know what, quote tag? Suck my ass.

[Elbirn]

Yeah titus, girrrll you got some 'splainin to do.

I wanna know whats going on with your nos read, obviously.

I also want to know more about AJ/Uzi. Is Aj just from his really shitty vote on me? I didn't like it but like everyone else who voted me for the same dumb ass reason I've chalked it down as "no one understands me"

Except uzi who makes up crap on the spot to justify being on the crappy flash wagon. Which is a perfect segue into how you feel about him, because I'm really not clear on where you stand here.

Pedit: fuck pedits I'm posting anyway, I see you post 575 I just don't care

[Elbirn]

Yeah Transcend nice try grudge matching.

There's also this gem

Honestly I saw this and had no idea what he was trying to convey

[Elbirn]

I didn't like it but like everyone else who voted me for the same dumb ass reason I've chalked it down as "no one understands me"

I may be a complete retard, but what about that reason seemed dumb?

Ali baybee don't put yourself down like that, you are no retard, friendo

The reasoning against me seems to go like this

1. I March into the game and throw out solid townreads on page 0 per usual
2. Cabd asks me why
3. I now have to turn nebulous fledgling thoughts and intuition into concrete ideas, and do so
4. Everyone flips there shit over "elbirn is making shit up he didn't have this figured out already"

So to me it's like.......okay idk what you people want from me my playstyle is gut reads and shit posts this is just what I do. I play based on feelings and that's what I felt like at the time. I then had to voice feelings and nobody liked my translation of hunches into facts

[Elbirn]

Apparently getting traction on Gamma isn't possible right now. He's got the flimsiest shit steps in and step outs in the game.

{Pine, Mozamis, Alisae} <--line of "not touching today without a damn good reason"
{Lapsa, SSBM}
{Elbirn, Tywin}
{Titus}
{everyone else} <--Line of Neutrality
{Uzi}
{AJ}
{Gamma} <--Line of "voting for without hesitation"

Titus, can you break that down incredibly simply? Make it so obvious even my thick skull gets it? because to me it seems to be splitting hair over semantics.

I like a solid 95% of this

[Elbirn]

"Let's vote the person with 5 posts cause that's gonna be a good idea"

Lol
VOTE: Titus

Transcend and alt are votes I'm also fine with.

Titus, can you break that down incredibly simply? Make it so obvious even my thick skull gets it? because to me it seems to be splitting hair over semantics.

Explain your reads list a bit please cause rn it looks baaad to me

You, on the other hand...

Sonia I like you and all and have been low key townreading you but I just disagree with this. Why single out titus for a vote, ignoring the rest of the wagon on aj? Transcend and Ali are town, Cabd reads list is great

You're making my heart super unhappy

[Elbirn]

My mood right now be like "Fuck you all you're wrong."

zzz what to do what to do

Pedit: Titus tr on Transcend is shit obv town is going to far cause I can read him (no matter how much he says I can't) he's not doing anything he's null as hell the Aj wagon is shit
I want Titus to say why Transcend is obv town
I want Alt w/e her name is dead

....yaknow, I don't hate your words, I just don't agree.

[Elbirn]

Hey Titus if you had to pick one BFF who would it be?

[Elbirn]

@Titus 768/769, I think I see.
Maybe get BFF trans to town up? At least a bit? So far he kinda just gives us little one liners without much substance. Overall though I'm happy with that list. Not thrilled that alisae isn't there, I feel alright about her, but I understand you two have a little tiff you need to work out.

[Elbirn]

That would be fair regarding gamma if he weren't actively posting elsewhere. He's got this game on the backburner on day one. Wonder why.

I believe in this

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GammaEmerald

Let's get his attention!

[Elbirn]

*scratches head*

Alisae, you're far too flippant with your vote. I'm chalking it down as you being...over excited, I guess? But you should leave it in one place for a bit and see what happens.

You should come back to the gamma wagon. Or rebuild the uzi wagon? I'd be happy with either of them as corpses rn, and either way I'm not satisfied with your Nero vote. I don't see him as being particularly scummy, I disagree with his methods but I don't see him as scum.

Pedit: did 10 posts really have to happen while I typed this?

[Elbirn]

Tbh I feel that titus and I mind meld a lot when we play together. We might not agree on reads but we certainly have a very high success rate at reading each other; it may be nearly perfect, come to think of it? I think we've always caught each other as scum, and as town we recognize each other quickly. Except for that one game where she hydra'd with drixx and we were foes the whole game for some reason

Anyway, pointless babbling aside, the fact that I say titus is town should be enough, everyone listen to me

[Elbirn]

I mean it got blown up in a melodramatic mess but I most definitely asked you what was up with your voting for me

The answer to which is still trash

[Elbirn]

gonna pick a name out of a hat

VOTE: Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Transcend join the gamma wagon, it's a big, beautiful wagon, the best really. It's gonna be YUGE, we're gonna build a wagon and make the scum team pay for it. I have many dollars *sniff*

[Elbirn]

I mean it got blown up in a melodramatic mess but I most definitely asked you what was up with your voting for me

The answer to which is still trash

No, you demanded I impress you and explain to everyone why I'm still voting for you. Then you fake claimed Gladiator.

We are saying the same thing.

[Elbirn]

Mod: Transcend is on Gamma too.

Honestly I read that post as transcend being a smart ass and not as a vote, so I'm not surprised cephrir did too.

[Elbirn]

But titus is my homegirl

[Elbirn]

*drums fingers* it got quiet today. Probably a good thing for most of this player list getting caught up but a lazy day for one of my few days off is like bleh.

Moz is an oddball. The scumread on titus isn't completely unprecedented and I see a few people murmuring about that, but it still doesn't strike me as a very easy angle for scum to push. But then he's also babbling about this really really gross "lynch all lurkers" bullshit that makes me frown for all time.

........and yet this entire player list is 90% people that I'm just looking at and nodding and smiling and enjoying their words and feeling good feels about them, and the other 10% is lurksacks, one of whom I'm voting for, all of whom I think are buttmunches, so like what am I even complaining about

I do wanna hear the titus cases so I can disagree with them but at least see where people's heads are at.


Pedit: and as I complain about inactivity, Cabd ninjas my complaint as his rage pierces the void and alisae beetlejuices into existence

Pedit2: oh look it's aj

[Elbirn]

Jesus christ this thread did not need 15 more pages overnight, what were you people doing at 3am? I for one sleep.

it annoys me to no end that I have posted, multiple times, why I think Titus is scum and both Ali and Elbrin are acting like it never happened.

Nero your case on titus is that she was the 3rd person to vote on a wagon. You were about to vote gamma instead until you realized it was titus. Which is just....I can't fuck with that. There's no sense there.

"But she also ignored me!"

Yes, yes she did.

I also don't like that there doesn't seem to be any signs of scum hunting or attempts to do so in his ISO.

Ah, that old "he hasn't done anything disregard everything he's said" line. Classic meme bro

The "this guy is doing nothing" logic pisses me off.

Is this directed towards me or uzi?
Because in my view, it's a pretty scum move to, instead of doing any substantial analysis of a player, throw your hands up and say "they haven't done anything. I am throwing shit on their play as a whole. It's literally all bad."

Uzi/Elibirn: I dont like the gladiator claim, but apparently fake claims in mafiascum meta is okay. Elibirn doubled down on it when others took it as a joke, but it's largely null. I do think fake claims are scummy and idk why it's okay in mafiascum, but it is what it is. Uzi/Elibirn could be TvT, but I think one of them are scum. Idk which one, but Titus has weak associations with either one. Her entire scum claim on me was my 'it's only fair' post asking for Uzi to give his reasoning on voting Elibirn. Then again, Elibirn could be scum and Uzi town. Neither are a good lynch today, so this whole point is moot.

Your position here is really bleh. It's flipfloppy as you don't commit to a stance on either of us, saying "it could be TvT, but I think one could be scum, but gee it could be either". It's a lot of words that don't add up to any meaningful analysis and set you up to lynch either of us later. It's weak sauce and it makes me sadface.

It's even more bleh because I think you're town and my original point in talking about this was thus made void when 10 pages of reading later I decided you were town. But this is scummy, m8, don't do this.

I think only Elbin and Alisae and Titus herself think she's the town leader

Me thinking titus is town =/= me thinking titus is town leader

Clearly I am the town president and all other town and all other town are members of my administration

Really? Why are you constantly asking asinine questions?

Okay, here's an example for you:

Titus is scum buddies with Alisae. Without day talk, Alisae is extreme newbscum and doesn't know to not buddy her scum team in-thread. She thinks that's how to play, but obviously Titus can't go and say 'hey Alisae, calm down there buddy, you'll get us both caught!' Without day talk, newbscum Alisae does what she does.

With day talk, the experienced scum would calm her the fuck down and try to minimize her mistakes.

Now that you have the knowledge that day talk is in this game, don't you think that alisae would be more cautious to buddy titus if they were both scum? That titus would use the day talk to say "hey don't do that"

Yet Titus' case on me is good? She said my post asking for Uzi to answer Elibrin's question and saying 'it's only fair' was the scum tell of the century. Really? Now that is fucking terrible, but a lot of you latched onto that as if it was legitimate. Do you even know what my case is? Why defend Titus without looking at what she's done? You're ISOing me a lot apparently, but ignoring others. Why?

*raises hand* hi yes me again tywin, I never bought into that as a scum tell and idk if anyone else did pls calm down

btw im calling a tvst tywin titus

T v S?

t vs t*

Cloud gets things, good for cloud

So, what is your read on me Alisae?

If Tywin flips scum, town. If Tywin flips town, scum.

And Tywin just said he would self-hammer himself. I KNOW Tywin is the kind of person to claim at L-1 instead of self-hammer if he was town. Becuase he knows that is a townie thing to do. He's not trying to prove to us that he's town, he's trying to prove that Titus is scum. And I'm fucking taking his bluff.

Dichotomies are scummy as fuck

About tywin wagon, some of his line looks like genuine frustrated town, even the self comment didnt comme off as forced to me, i once said and did that as town not so long ago with great success, i also was correct about my deathtunnel

More cloud being right

[Elbirn]

Just thank god there's not more than one (to my knowledge) moon-logic-peoples in this game.

Hi I'm Elbirn

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alisae

Choo Choo everyone!

[Elbirn]

alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

I'll fucking confirm this. I am flip floping at the moment. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know who the fuck is what. I dunno what's real. I dunno what's fake. I dunno my gender even. What operating system is this toaster even fucking using? Is it fucking Vista? Point is I fucking snapped.
But I am keeping my vote on Tywin. I'm done flipflopping. Unless something else happens, I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
All of these circles, make a square.
All of these circles, make a square.
Just calm down. It's gonna be okay.

Alisea you have no reason to be, thats what we are saying so clam down, you arent responsible of the votes

I just feel so fucked and toyed with and manipulated. At this point I completely forgot about everyone else. I think I just need to take a few minutes to go fucking chill. A warm bath sounds nice. Or a shower. I'ma go do that, and calm down.

It's nice tho that you're both telling me to calm down. I feel like if you two were scum ywall would have wanted to keep me in this panic state. My strongest town reads at the moment.
Thank you. Honestly.

Look at all this faked frustration

[Elbirn]

Defined as?

You, Elbrin, Myself, titus. We can basically assume Tran's replacement for town, so given a reasonable player is put there, they'll be capable of fulfilling this too. I'm working on Nero, who I believe is capable, but I don't have a townread on yet.

Basically a group of players capable of driving this game in a positive direction going forward. If town only has one head, they'll be picked off and the town has to reorganize each day. That's why it's really important to have multiple heads capable of making good decisions. And the democratic process of finding if one is lying is basically that they're also the center of attention and the ones who have to be right constantly to avoid scrutiny.

*throws up a little bit in my mouth*

This and the other "town cheerleading" posts he makes after this are just gross. And including himself in the bloc. Yeahhhh...nah son.

I don't like AJ's post above. I personally don't find him all that townie to begin with, so idk how he believes him or Elibrin deserve town leadership roles. You guys aren't confirmed, and you're not super town enough to even assume that role. Adding Titus is clearly not my cup of tea, but even if you believe her town, she wants to mislynch town. Therefore, Idk what you're hoping for AJ, but it certainly shouldn't happen. Maybe on a day or two 'if' you're cleared by a PR, but right now? You're that confident in Elibrin/Titus? Hmmmm....

Tywin as persecuted as you're feeling lately I believe in you and a lot that you say, and this was a good post. Resonated with me and shit. Also Please don't self vote

Well, if you would want to pick me over him, so be it. Tywin cannot be allowed to live near lylo, and there's a wagon on him, I will be on it. He's a scum read. Threatening me, when you you're postulating this is a T v T, just tells me that you won't reevaluate Tywin

. I don't need every town to lynch scum or townbeard

s. I just need enough town. If he will be lynched before lylo, that's what the town needs.

Those people slipping into the shadows, they are my other reads as partners with Tywin.

Well when you're doing the math to figure out how many you need, know that I'm not on board. Sorry homie but you and Tywin are both way off base here in regards to each other.

[Elbirn]

I'm done with this shit.

Dayvig: Tywin Lannister

Sorry gamma I already did a fake gladiate we've hit our quota for this game

@Titus I'm not attacking you, but I strongly disagree with your assessment re:tywin and the people's Republic of Elbirn will not stand for it

@Alisae I sure did! I'm at work right now and have to go I'll answer later but man its just 2 faked 4 me

[Elbirn]

Was part of the reason why you think it was faked was because I started to freak out before people started to vote me, therefore there really was no pressure on me and I just overeacted to Tywin's questioning?
Besides heavy questioning on me, and a small wagon that only got slightly bigger, there wasn't much actual pressure on me from what I remember.

Why are you analyzing yourself it's really offputting

[Elbirn]

You have lied about her not asking you questions. That's the main one I remember seeing that she pointed out too.

Do you know what the lies were about? Do you know the context of it? Did you not see my explaination, or even did you see her post 'I don't need to ask you questions to read you' when I asked her to repeat them? Did you see her post about 10 pages after that in which she does apparently post her questions, yet the links don't work? Have you paid any attention to that, or are you sheeping reasons you don't really remember? How is that sorting? Do you expect everyone to know every question posed to them in a 60+ page D1 thread?

See I've completely tuned out of your two fighting because of the nonsense referred to in this post. Titus is attacking you because you "lied" about her not asking you questions. How is that even necessarily a lie and not a misunderstanding or your not remembering her questions? How is this scum?

Here you assert (as you have before) that she asked you questions in a post where the links didn't work.....as if that even matters? And also though the links don't work, every post referenced is included in a spoiler at the beginning of the page so...yeah?

This entire back and forth is silly on both sides and you should both just....pretend none of this happened because it's entirely noise and nothing productive is coming of it.

Elbrin is nullscum. True, I hate his stance that you are really town and I hate his belittling of my case on you but I also disliked

Try not to hammer me/Uzi before I wake up? I'd like to get final words/thoughts in.

Seemed kinda consciousness. Even if this part was playing up the silly gladiate gambit he should have known better than to think that he'd be quick lynched so FMPOV is sounds like scum trying to sound like paranoid town.

I waffle on Ali. I can see her actions as both town and scum since both alignments are capable of defending.


TL;DR
Tywin
Moz
Lapsa
Gamma
AJ
Pine
Sonia
Trans
Uzi
NOS
SSBM
Elbrin
Cabd
Alisae
Titus

BOOOOOO *throws rotten fruit*

I'm going to bed I'm not even going to bother with telling you how dumb this is

[Elbirn]

Was part of the reason why you think it was faked was because I started to freak out before people started to vote me, therefore there really was no pressure on me and I just overeacted to Tywin's questioning?
Besides heavy questioning on me, and a small wagon that only got slightly bigger, there wasn't much actual pressure on me from what I remember.

Why are you analyzing yourself it's really offputting

Alisae I demand responses whilst I continue to fail to answer your question

I am unfair

[Elbirn]

This talk of traitors and multiball is tin foil hat nonhelpful nonsense. Can we just hunt scum please

[Elbirn]

Well titus I'd like to know what your mystical "theory" is if possible

I had one and it blew up, actually

[Elbirn]

I don't think VCA is useful until we have flips but uh.....I mean it's better than NOT doing it, I guess.

Zzzzz I'm gonna go eat lunch someone smart tell me if my vote is in the right place and with detailed reasons why/why not

Tia

[Elbirn]

Yeah my town titus tin foil hat theory blew up time to reread the entire thread knowing that I'm wrong

[Elbirn]

^ me rn

[Elbirn]

lol masonry

You weren't supposed to say anything

....People were supposed to ignore my funny video?

[Elbirn]

lol masonry

You weren't supposed to say anything

....People were supposed to ignore my funny video?

So are you saying that you thinking Titus was town has been a tinfoil theory this whole time, and now you're rereading the thread under the assumption that Titus is scum?

We're talking about masons because of Elbirn's video

I mean I'm gonna give a more fair evaluation minus the tinted glasses of "aha titus did that thing she does when she's town except wait I lied no she doesn't I'm elbirn and I thought I knew shit about titus but my tells are wrong"

The video had nothing to do with that other than being one of my favorite Simpsons references and being a thing that I genuinely exclaim when I'm frustrated, but seeing how you all got into a frenzy over nothing uh damn remind me to never ever crumb anything ever

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

My hearts not actually into the alisae scum theory. Or maybe it is idfk, I keep forgetting why I object to her and such. Again though, the sk theories are pointless noise, etc.

Why is Lapsa at l-2 again? I want blood but if it's lurker blood I want nosferatu

[Elbirn]

Unofficial VC

Titus 4 (Nero Cain, mozamis, Tywin Lannister, Syryana)
Alisae 2 (Aj The Epic, Elbirn)
Lapsa 7 (Pine, CloudKicker, Alisae, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko) L-2
Tywin Lannister 1 (Lapsa)
CloudKicker 1 (Nosferatu)

Not Voting 2 (Cabd, xSoniaNevermindx)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is December 30 at 11 AM Eastern.

For real tho alisae is there ever a wagon that you're NOT on?

[Elbirn]

Alisae yer a cheeky one I'll give you that m8

Uhhh I'm gonna reread lapsa's iso and see what the hub bub is. We tryna lynch with 10 days left on the clock or what?

[Elbirn]

Alisae yer a cheeky one I'll give you that m8

Uhhh I'm gonna reread lapsa's iso and see what the hub bub is. We tryna lynch with 10 days left on the clock or what?

Hey I did what I said, that was easy

I don't like that he co-opted my use of the word "underwhelming" to describe all of his reads

The traitor nonsense is nonsense and if lapsa is scum it is not because of that

I have nothing substantial to add

I'm fine with a Lapsa corpse, waiting for official vote count so nothing goes screwy


Pedit: ugh shutup about traitors and serial killer and multiball and nightkill immune miller vigs none of this helps

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Nosferatu

Choo choo motherfuckers

Fuck you syr I came here to do this

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nosferatu

Dueling scum wagons gogogo

[Elbirn]

Speed of a wagon has never been AI of the wagonee. Mozamis might as well be saying Titus is on it, so I will not bus.

Also, not found of doing dual scum wagon nonsense. If both wagons are on scum, it fractures town and makes scum harder to lynch. If one is on town, it makes the one that's on scum harder to go through.

Pretty sure the way Tywin jumped onto this that it is just lurkerbait to save Lapsa.

Yeup, we're flipping nos today. Come along everyone, it's time.

[Elbirn]

Stop talking I'm at work when the thread opened Jesus

1. I need this kill shit sorted out. Alisae claimed a vig shot on uzi. Syr claimed vig first (last day phase) and all of that seemed dodgy af at the time and now I'm confused even more cuz okay alisae claimed it but syr even said that he would shoot uzi.

Regarding the cloud shot we need mod clarification for one. I know in some setups shooting the traitor recruits them. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the mod if that is the case here. If so someone else shot cloud. If not then okay, scumteam shooting cloud is still plausible; he was fairly townread by most but not a stand out player who might be protected, and it's plausible that his reads were on point anyway because he'd want to signal to his team mates. Check his reads and who he votes, there's the scum.

It may also be good to ask if scum team knew that they had a traitor, but I don't know if that's going too far as what mod can disclose.

2. I have long since learned that shit happens for a reason and "lmao wifom" is the cry of butt mad scum. We don't deal with that shit. Not now, not ever. Cabd called for no voting while peeps catch up, and yeah I'm still evaluating, but consider this a stink eye for sonia.

3. I'm at work shutup for a bit

4. Jk ily guys

[Elbirn]

Cloud was tr by a lot of people it's not out of question Cloud was the scumkill

Do not joke about claiming a kill. Ty vm.

Titus what was this about?

[Elbirn]

Anyone who says wifom can't think of a real defense

Tywin let's assume I'm scum yeah
Cloud has the biggest tr on me ever that's clear
Why do I kill him over others like the vig claim etc

Maybe I didn't really make myself clear but I was criticizing you saying wifom and not the others saying that you were doing wifom.

[Elbirn]

Cloud tried to pocket me.
Suck it

So you're claiming Vig that shot Cloud?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sure?

This? Cuz it seemed clearly a joke.


You know what fuck it I'm gonna say some dumb shit

Your post doesn't sit well with me cuz it sounds like you were softing that you did that kill. Then cabd gunsmith'ed you and got no gun. So you changed your tune because you'd have to have a knife making you the sk.

I'm gonna go back to work and let everyone tear me to shreds, deuces

[Elbirn]

Elbrin you're saying that we probably ended up shooting the same target?

Nah I'm saying one of you is lying but uh that is also possible?

[Elbirn]

Elbrin you're saying that we probably ended up shooting the same target?

Nah I'm saying one of you is lying but uh that is also possible?

Wait no its not, there can't be two vigs

If you both have kill powers than

Uh

One is sk



And then I should leave titus alone dude idk I SAID GOOD DAY SIR

[Elbirn]

Hi, didnt notice the night ended

You're dead, go away

[Elbirn]

Cloud tried to pocket me.
Suck it

So you're claiming Vig that shot Cloud?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sure?

This? Cuz it seemed clearly a joke.


You know what fuck it I'm gonna say some dumb shit

Your post doesn't sit well with me cuz it sounds like you were softing that you did that kill. Then cabd gunsmith'ed you and got no gun. So you changed your tune because you'd have to have a knife making you the sk.

I'm gonna go back to work and let everyone tear me to shreds, deuces

Elbrin, you scum? You know how much I hate fakeclaim s and cannot tell a joke for shit.

Do you think I functionally grew balls for brains? Let's see here. There's three people who claimed vig. So, I am going to soft vig too.

This cannot be serious.

Where is your comment on cloud's traitor crumb?

Okay I'll be good

What about clouds traitor crumb?

[Elbirn]

Lemme go read it in context and also put my thinking cap on, I'm gonna need it after the mental gymnastics you just saw

[Elbirn]

Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine.

Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw

, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

@Titus; I know this isn't quite answering your question but I think this post is more suspicious than the other

I know I know I'm dumb but the other post is like "okay so they're discussing traitor whatever that could be anything" but then this one I'm like "oh shit I got scum in my sights bruv"

It's so awkwardly stated. Idk. The btw at the end. Yeah?

[Elbirn]

Elbrin whats your day 2 plan if you don't mind me asking?

Ok. I am confirmed town or evil doctor or SK then. I am town, but let's not used confirmed, when we mean highly probable.

Obviously, if you are confirmed by Cabd this means nothing?

Hang on, what am i saying?
LETS ALL TAKE CABD MINDLESSLY AT HIS WORD!

This is coming from the guy who tried to push titus as sk a few posts ago, pls stop shade throwing conftown tia

[Elbirn]

Elbrin whats your day 2 plan if you don't mind me asking

Oh I forgot I quoted this. Alisae what was this about?

[Elbirn]

Elbrin whats your day 2 plan if you don't mind me asking

Oh I forgot I quoted this. Alisae what was this about?

Elbrin, if I told you that I don't remember, would you believe me?

......No?

What was the point of this, I want to know. There was surely a purpose. Either way I don't even know what it meant.

[Elbirn]

In post 1842, CloudKicker wrote:
Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

So Titus, tywin and Aj scum?
I can totally buy that.
Apart from the massive tywin and titus spat. Epic performance if so. I know Titus is capable of that sort of game. Anyone know Tywin's game? Is he good enough to pull of that kind of stuff?

Uh......no, no titus is nearly conftown, tywin is town, aj is whatever

This is the post that proves kyouko is a scummy butt

[Elbirn]

@Alisae's question

Tywin's push on Sonia didn't feel forced to me? It seemed sensical. A belief that scum kill for a reason, which I share, and proposing that scum killed cloud due to a connection with sonia. Fair.

But what's YOUR read on Sonia because uhh you're all over the place?

What's your read on me altsae

Gun to my head town.

WERE GOOD FRIENDS AND IF I WAS SCUM I WOULD'VE KEPT HIM ALIVE FOR SO LONG

I can WIFOM this all fucking day.

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

Doesn't this post suggest lynch Kyouko?

To me it really does.

To me it also suggest a lynch on Sonia. It's makes absolutely no sense for her to shoot cloud that it makes sense.
Not to mention if Cloud was trying to buddy her, he could be trying to indicate to Sonia to pick him up on the scumteam.
Tho that part on Sonia probably needs more work.
VOTE: Kyouko

In fact in that last one you're even contradicting your view that tywin is "forced", *because you're agreeing with him and saying what he's saying*, that scum killed cloud for the sonia connection

And I'm kinda frustrated cuz man you're verifiably not scum now that you have that vig shot, even if you're an sk you're not group scum so idk where this mindset is even coming from.

And I just wanna, with this post, challenge you to think think think about the things and let's work this out.

Tywin is not a good push.

[Elbirn]

Literally impossible unless those three plus me are scum

ok, caught up and have calmed slightly.
I'll rescind my rage vote for now. His reason for voting Lapsa sounds OK. Plus, I really want him to be town. He has to be null I guess for a while. But seems more profitabke to concentrate on cloud kikers stuff.

UNVOTE

My run through of Cloudkicker's ISO suggests that he was attacking Gamma, Alisea, Nero and I pretty consistently. There were others, and a few he went back and forth on, but they seemed more a feature of his spazzy nature than serious attacks.

More important is how hard he defended Tywin. That's where my vote is going.

VOTE: Tywin

I'm just gonna keep defending tywin while he continues to ignore my love

It's pretty easy for scum to play peacemaker for town cred when they see a TvT fight. I don't think there was anyone in this game that wanted to see tywin v. Titus continue any longer, and the "protown" move was clearly to try to promote peace

[Elbirn]

If Tywin flips scum, Sonia is town to me.

The reason why I said it felt forced was that he immediately jumped on Sonia about the NK.
I bought it at the time, but I took more time to think about it before I came to the conclusion that it felt forced.
Not to mention Tywin continued to push Sonia when Sonia wasn't responding well to the pressure.
So I could see why you think I'm all over the place with that.

Do you think it's scummy to push someone cracking under pressure, or..?

[Elbirn]

Interesting. Why isn't that post flagging down SSM?

Which post in Cloudkicker'S ISO have you scumreading Tywin?

Any of a dozen or so where he's hard defending Tywin. If he's not CK's teammate, I could see him putting up a token defense for the "I was right" Towncred, but not going to the effort of actually derailing the wagon on him. Cloudkicker went to the mat for Tywin.

I like your thoughts and all, but respectfully disagree again. I don't think a tywin wagon had any chance of going through, especially with a few voices sticking up for him the same way that cloud was (cabd was pretty vocal in Tywin's defense, I was an echo of the same sentiment, etc.)

So there was nothing to really lose by being so vocal in his defense, there wasn't going to be a lynch there. If Tywin is town then there was no possible mislynch to lose out on.

[Elbirn]

And if tywin scum then idk it could be anything my words said nothing

[Elbirn]

The S.S. Kyouko need not sail.. for now.

But mom

[Elbirn]

Votecount 2.2

ssbm_Kyouko 3 (Alisae, Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister)
Tywin Lannister 3 (xSoniaNevermindx, Pine, Alisae)

Not Voting 8 (others)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Happy birthday Cephrir

[Elbirn]

This is coming from the guy who tried to push titus as sk a few posts ago, pls stop shade throwing conftown tia

She's not. Cabd and Titus could be scum together, she could be a mafia doc. She could be a sk. Why ignore those possibilities?

I find it wholly unlikely that cabd is scum. Same with Titus as much as I've been passively squinty eyed at her for a few things.

Why would two scum who are mostly townread fake an innocent on each other, in a game that may have a SK no less where they could wind up getting flipped even without getting lynched. It doesn't make sense.

As for the other possibilities I'm pretty sure if there's an sk then it has to be alisae, unless there was a 3rd kill that was blocked, and I've never even seen a mafia doctor in my career and don't know what that is

[Elbirn]

Damn nevermind. Thought ssbm was softing mason. Theory canceled. Woulda put us at 5.5 confirmed on day two. With a vig slash leashed SK.

*counts on fingers and toes*

I know i'm not the sharpest bulb in the mangled analogy but would this not give us 4? (Cabd the gunsmith, Titus the all-but-confirmed, SSBM mason, ??? Mason)

Where's the other 1.5?

[Elbirn]

Cabd is Kyouko town or did your theory blowing up remove evidence of that and the kyouko train is a-go?

Cuz I'm looking at either kyouko, sonia, or nos "18 posts of nothing and then my wagon got derailed onto a townie instead" feratu. Admittedly I need to evaluate more closely but this is where my heads at today. I'm still unhappy with nos being not-dead.

[Elbirn]

In fairness to alisae syr hasn't even posted yet this phase

She's confirmed not groupscum, so even if you think she's an sk her suspicions and thoughts are all legitimate; whether we agree with her or not is another matter, but she is a verified trustworthy voice if she's trying to eliminate the scumteam, no? We can call her wrong (I think she is) but we can't say that her ideas are coming from a malicious intent like you inply

Having said that I don't believe syr has a legit counterclaim because he was apparently "joking" and so his flip doesn't Damm alisae. If he were a vig then there should have been a 3rd corpse last night.


Disclaimer: if you can convince me alisae is SK then turbo lynch the fuck out of her regardless, but for now with me being unconvinced of that idc

I also don't agree that someone being not scumread makes them scum (re:pine) but uh he is totally coasting off his early townread

Pedit: so many posts

[Elbirn]

All of that was in response to tywin for the record

[Elbirn]

@everyone not named me: Should suspected but not proven to be Vig/SKs be leashed or instantly lynched?

I don't believe in leashing an sk. If someone isn't on the town faction then they need to die.

I don't believe in lynching town. If alisae is vig then leave her alive

Proposal: SK's are compulsive killers yeah? Just tell alisae not to kill anymore, or at least for one night phase. Proves she's not sk, confirmed town vig. Problem solved.

You've hammered a townie, NK'd a cop, and now tunnel another townie.

I mean

That first one was a trick, she had no way of knowing uzi was a vanilla cop, and regardless of whether she's town vig or 3p sk has no knowledge of your alignment

Blaming her for....any of that, really, doesn't make sense.


Sidenote: do you know the difference between cop and vanilla cop?

[Elbirn]

Lapsa 5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Alisae, Elbirn)

Shit wagon

Well, he wasn't wrong.
On the basis 1)Pine town cos of Cabd/masons joke, 2)Titus cleared by Cabd, 3)Alisae just-seems-very-town+vigclaim+lolhammer
...you'd think scum might have hopped on, so Gamma and Elbirn.
Makes me move Elbirn back to null. And refreshes my memory as to Gamma being not great.

"This arbitrary list of 5 player names I picked out of a hat has to include scum because of fairy dust and child-dreams. I'm going to ignore any actual sense, logical thought, or work done by this player afterwards to take a mental diarrhea on them instead"

Merry Christmas Moz.

[Elbirn]

Sks are not compulsive.

Why is everything I know a lie

Is there a variation where they are compulsive or something? I swear to god that was the point, they're psychos who can't stop killing.

I won't do anything stupid Pine.
Tho should I keep my potential targets to myself or share them?

Share imo.

Oh honey no

Elbrin, give me a Christmas vote and vote Moz?

I don't have any conviction that he's scum other than that post being hot garbage, and I'm always biased against people who talk shit on me. If you can convince me with a brief summary for when I wake up christmas morn' I'll certainly read it


I am tired of my vote not being in play so uh eat my Gary Johnson protest vote

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Elbirn]

...
...
Ok.

Should I share who I will never ever ever shoot? That seems to be even ground here.

Honestly alisae, I want you to say nothing about who you're going to shoot or not shoot. Just pay attention to the game state and shoot who's most scumread. Don't try to be a hero, or a loose cannon. You're one person and your reads can be flawed. Everyone's reads are, individually, you know?

Act like towns second lynch. Go with the will of the town. If someone's getting votes and scumreads from everyone but for some reason just can't seem to get the rope? Shoot em in the face.

[Elbirn]

Merry Christmas friends ^^ Been doing the holiday thing all day. Let's see..

Ok Alisae that answer works. Also I think I found an Alisae vig crumb while rereading the great Tywin fiasco looking for who was reading him as town to see if it looked like a scumteam derailing his lynch (mostly inconclusive so far, but Gamma is probably town regardless of Tywin's alignment). Check the bolded in her post out:

I'm done with this shit.

Dayvig: Tywin Lannister

Thanks for saving me the trouble Gamma.

And Yeah Titus, I agree on focusing on someone else, either Kyouko, Lapsa, or me if you really want to. If you want, I can try to show off my case on Kyouko if you would like to hear it. Kyouko seems like he could be town, but if Tywin is scum, I can see him being paired up with Lapsa and Tywin. But let's see what he flips first.
Either way, if you are willing to work with me, I feel like we can get this game solved by day 2 or day 3 assuming that Tywin is scum.

My top scum reads at the moment are Lapsa, Tywin, Kyouko, and Moz.

If Tywin is town, then my theory about Kyouko is off by a long shot.

Reading this the first time around I actually did a double take like "wait did...Did she just claim vig?"

So uh yeah I buy that

Kyouko, you want more crumbs, evertime I said "Mew" was a crumb because it ryhmes with "Pew"

This is bullshit but I believe it

I also kinda want to put my moon logic thinking cap on and go, yeah, serial killers stab, would she have been thinking about guns as sk? Would a newb sk think "yeah I'm gonna crumb vig instead by making gun sounds hahaha"

Or am I insane?

[Elbirn]

The other being? I think I may or may have not have missed it in your post ;~;

Oh scum Kyouko is telling you to shoot me, which is really fucking stupid.

Awful lotta shade throwing towards me lately actually, hope you're ready for me to throw another hissy fit

[Elbirn]

You should shoot Elbrin in the face.

Can we lynch lynch Mozamis Elbrin Tywin SSM nero

Yeah that great to Tipsy Titus

Pick one

So is that a no on telling me why I should vote for moz?

No help, just suddenly elbirn is a shitter?

[Elbirn]

Anyway @Kyouko

You bring up pine and Moz as a connection because moz pushes lurkers but never brings up pine. I'd think that scum would be more concious of who their teammates are and what they're doing. If moz is scum I'd expect him to have his mates as reads one way or the other.

Idk I don't really have anything else to add, it's Christmas I'm busy. I found your point interesting that scum could have avoided the Lapsa wagon or built a counter one, believing him to be the traitor, but don't believe it would be completely devoid of scum. At any rate I'll have to think about it because I was already going with a theory that scum saw a nos wagon and then said "no" and finished pushing through that Lapsa wagon.

*headscratch* but this all depends on whether or not you're scum and there's the cloud thing look fucking it's Christmas I'll talk to you people later

[Elbirn]

Yeah Kyouko your ideas are all weak sauce preflip associations and criticizing moz for not wanting to lynch a townread. Like, no shit. And I'm obviously biased here, but the fact that you think post 2016 is the scum team's evil plan to sway town to derail a wagon gave me a hearty chuckle

Ill give you this much, If I understand that last bit there, you see moz as having an illogical thought progression of reads when he says "pine is coasting" and then doesn't follow up and shifts focus to a lynch pool of others. Fair point.

I'd love to hear how nos is town though, and more about how lynching lurking scumfucks who aren't doing anything is bad.



(Sidenote: I know moz's avatar is a really cute girl but he's a guy, pls don't call him a she it may make him upsetti)

[Elbirn]

idk, if you can't see town!Nosferatus from her ISO alone I don't know how to explain it. She screams town to me though.

I'm ignoring the parts of this post that have to do with Moz. I think he should have to defend himself, rather than me getting riled up over you lumping us together. But I wanna touch on this.

I've just read Nos' iso for a refresher. There is nearly zero content. There's not just "little content", or "things I don't agree with". There is quite literally no content. I squinted really really hard and I couldn't find jack shit that would give me any little hint as to why he's remotely town, let alone "screams town".

Like, let me go pull it up again and let's see.. okay his posts are as follows:

Spoiler:

An rvs vote on alisae (with no comment)
Fluff (x4)
A Lapsa townread with a bit of reasoning..k this might be fine
Scumreads pine for wanting to get out of rvs (lmao?)
Fluff (x3)
Votes cloud for a page 1 interaction (this is post 1275 and he couldn't find anything better to do?)
Fluff
Boring scumread on Transcend (syr slot) 1000 posts late
Fluff (x5)
Wants alisae lynched
Fluff (x2)
Really wants alisae lynched, votes her, agrees with Tywin

So what do we have from him as far as actual content, stances made, etc. Well he's got about 1 post (Lapsa townread) that I can look at and say "hey that doesn't suck", out of a whopping 22 total posts. The alisae stance is...okay. I don't agree with lynching her but it's at least a stance. Over 50% is absolutely nothing.

I fail to see how this is obvtown.

*grabs Kyouko by the face, stares into eyes* tell me what you seeeee *shakes head*

[Elbirn]

I retract my request to shoot Elbrin in the face.

You should shoot Elbrin in the face.

Can we lynch lynch Mozamis Elbrin Tywin SSM nero

Yeah that great to Tipsy Titus

Pick one

So is that a no on telling me why I should vote for moz?

No help, just suddenly elbirn is a shitter?

Titus you're talking about me but not to me and it makes my heart super unhappy

I love and value you gum drop goblin so help me Obi-Wan kenobi you're my only hope

[Elbirn]

"This arbitrary list of 5 player names I picked out of a hat has to include scum because of fairy dust and child-dreams. I'm going to ignore any actual sense, logical thought, or work done by this player afterwards to take a mental diarrhea on them instead"

None of these were arbitray. I provided clear reasons for them.
Are you reading or just pressing buttons at random?
It looks like you dont like beong taken out of my town pile.

Uh huhhh. Yeah I did. Your reason for moving me down the list is that, fuck everything else about me, I voted for the largest rvs wagon so fuck me. See:

Lapsa 5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Alisae, Elbirn)

Shit wagon

Well, he wasn't wrong.
On the basis 1)Pine town cos of Cabd/masons joke, 2)Titus cleared by Cabd, 3)Alisae just-seems-very-town+vigclaim+lolhammer
...you'd think scum might have hopped on, so Gamma and Elbirn.
Makes me move Elbirn back to null. And refreshes my memory as to Gamma being not great.

There's really nothing else to add to how dumb this is.

[Elbirn]

I'd like to state there's no way a vig shoots CK: we've got an SK on our hands.

Alisae claimed a shot on uzi. Ck was most Def shot by scumteam

[Elbirn]

There's really nothing else to add to how dumb this is.

It's your over reaction that worries me. I thought Transcend made a good simple point, that it was a shit wagon at that time. (And as we know with hindsight, a shit wagon full stop.) Some of those people on it look really town to me (for reasons perv. stated). You not so much.
So you went to null.
So why your massive over reaction?

If pointing out that you're a bumbling moron is wrong, I don't want to be right.

You've made no genuine attempt to sort here. Just pulled up an RVS wagon and decided there must be scum because of fairy dust. Again, I could pick up any rng'd list of 5 players in this game, eenie meenie miney moe from it, and have the same odds of success.

My issue isn't that you scumread me, it's that your reasoning is non existent.

[Elbirn]

That is my fate then. I am okay with this as long as we get mafia first.

If this was in a non-normal Queue I'd expect cephrir to let third party align itself with town but alas; alak.

Wait


Wait did alisae claim sk what the hell did I miss

[Elbirn]

Anyway, am I going down today?
Bring it on, bitches!

Okay

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mozamis

[Elbirn]

No, no this is dumb

UNVOTE:

*rubs temples*

[Elbirn]

My hearts not in it, and it's also really fucking stupid that we're building a counterwagon to the dude that scum-cloud hinted to before he died

This lynch should be based on looking at cloud interactions but instead we're dicking around trying to find other scum

[Elbirn]

My hearts not in it, and it's also really fucking stupid that we're building a counterwagon to the dude that scum-cloud hinted to before he died

This lynch should be based on looking at cloud interactions but instead we're dicking around trying to find other scum

Interactions are overrated

I guess we should just lynch by rng then, huh?

[Elbirn]

Talk you fucks

[Elbirn]

Alisae help I'm sooo farkin bored, this game has stalled out hard

What should we do?

[Elbirn]

I know nothing anymore. Does a traitor townread his buddies or scumread them?

I feel okay about giving syr town points but unsure about sonia, I feel like I've either not groked what you're saying about sonia or something else

[Elbirn]

Post 1842 is what made me think Kyouko scum and reading it again I kinda wanna go there again

Does no one believe in me?

[Elbirn]

Hrmph.

So if scum thinks they've found mason crumbs, they shoot the masons right?

[Elbirn]

Kyouko actually comes out of this with Townpoints. I figure a scum who spotted what they thought was a Mason crumb would just kill said person and be done with it, rather than try to publicly solve the game. Or at least they'd point out the crumb to their buddies in private and not share the observation with Town.

^ this post here, then

Apologies, I either forgot about this post or didn't see the first time.

...yeah I can actually kinda dig this, I think. Hrmph.

[Elbirn]

Well, maybe we should drop the SSBM lynch?

I think that's the idea here, yes.

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Nero Cain
Nosferatu
Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic
mozamis


If you're not on this list, you're either town or alisae the nightkill immune miller vig. If you are on this list you just might be scum.

Behold my lynch pool, yee mighty, and despair!

[Elbirn]

Unofficial Votecount 2.4.1

ssbm_Kyouko 3 (Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
mozamis 5 (Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Pine, GammaEmerald, Alisae)
Alisae 1 (Nosferatu)
Aj The Epic 1 (mozamis)
Nero Cain 1 (xSoniaNevermindx)

Not Voting: (Did not remember to track)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, January 6, 2 PM Eastern.

Pedit; it's fucking silent for all time and then while I try to do this a page of posts happens, dafuk bruvs

[Elbirn]

Elbrin I like this part to describe me better besides the SK part.:

All I know right now is that you think Alisae is a loli-loving normie-murdering SK

So please address me as a loli-loving normie-murdering Vig thank you.

But I was making a reference to site culture inside joke oh what the hell I don't care, her a loli-loving normie-murdering sk

Ever feel like you're lynch is just slowly creeping up on you and you can't do anything to stop it?
It feels gross

Sonia you're not getting lynched shutup

Sincerely yours with love and puppy butterflies, me

Well, maybe we should drop the SSBM lynch?

I think that's the idea here, yes.

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Nero Cain
Nosferatu
Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic
mozamis


If you're not on this list, you're either town or alisae the nightkill immune miller vig. If you are on this list you just might be scum.

Behold my lynch pool, yee mighty, and despair!

I love how noncommittal you are "If you're on this list you may be scum". Let me list the remaining alive players and say the same.

I'd like to hear your reasoning for nero though. Is this just a null and down list or do you have legitimate suspicions for him to be scum?

And I love how scum you are. Enjoy a vote.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

For the record though yes this is my PoE list. Nero isn't particularly a scum shit, he's just not a townread. Everyone who isn't in this list is.

[Elbirn]

I've gotten sick but will check in when I'm able

I'll hammer moz over a deadline but my mother's intuition says to get aj dead today

I was gonna stink eye alisae for being so eager to fakeclaim that moz was at L-1 and force a claim and then decided that doesn't make sense because she's not scum so was really just an honest mistake

I'm gonna go chug orange juice and eat cough drops like candy, wish me luck

[Elbirn]

Side note: The gimmick is kinda over-rated at this point; and "omg lolis" survives only up until entry into reality or a friendly visit from the government, whichever comes first

Yeah real talk aren't lolis just pedophilia please don't do this anymore guys

Hang on, got that wrong. Alisea has put me at L-1.
I'm VT.

Fucking my unofficial Votecount, an official votecount, and me yelling at alisae all happened before this post. How the fuck are you gonna pretend you're at l-1 here. You even clearly went back and read votes and shit to come to the conclusion you did you know what just fuck you dude

[Elbirn]

Moving along, re: that stupid L-2 claim, is moz a scum shit or just dumb?

Anyone?

[Elbirn]

Aww my fake attempt at an L-1 didn't work ;~;

Hang on
Why would you do this on purpose?

[Elbirn]

....Clearly, but for what purpose.

[Elbirn]

To find out if they are scum or not.

So what reactions were you expecting. What would indicate scum or town to you?

I could maybe lynch AJ tomorrow. The connection to Cloudkicker gets more damning the more I consider it

Lynch Aj today for a brilliant tomorrow *slogans* *I'm sick and delirious leave me be*

[Elbirn]

Really? The anyone but me route?

Correction: "anyone but me or aj"

Which is uh.....what?

Moz refresh my memory as to your aj read?

vote:Moz

Bold your votes friend
Unless that's just a giggle yer havin'

[Elbirn]

Poor old scum. My wagon is mostly town i think. Props to AJ for finally growing a pair and voting to put me at L-1. But his poor scum buddies are bricking themselves now, cos one of them is gonna have to drop the hammer lol

We should wait for Tywin and Sky and anyon else lurking/had probs with vacation access. Try and get AJ lynched by the WHOLE TOWN, not a rush job on me by nerovus town and jubilant scum rushing through another mislynch.

MY P.o.E update:
So scum has to be in AJ, Nos, Gamma, Sonia, (Twyin? He has been stong town read of mine, but maybe i was gullible over his ATE?)
Gamma already on my wagon.
Soni and Tywin will get in a muddle if they vote me.
So my bet is that Nos will come in and whack down a lurkery/"lols" hammer "cos that the way he plays, fuck it, i didmnt really know what was going on, shit was he town, ah shame..."
If so lynch the fuck out of him.

So according to moz aj is scum but let's look for options outside of aj

Wew lads

[Elbirn]

Elibrin, if you are town, I'd give a long farewell letter and last reads before mozamis gets hammered, because you're too town to not be NK'd soon. I mean.. Assuming scum aren't idiots, I can't see how you'd live. Mozamis is the other obvious 'absolutely screams town' player to me, and scum are wagoning him for it. Titus and Cabd have remained useless enough to live on. I'm an easy mislynch tomorrow. Alisae is useless and easily led like a sheep, so she's gonna stay. The rest are null players that could go either way, but honestly add nothing to help town win so they're a wash.

So analyzing what any smart scum team would do, you're the obvious NK target assuming you really are town and not scum playing the game of your life. Just saying man. Be prepared for it. I can say this since I already accept my fate as the next mislynch, so I'm not exactly worried about scum like Pine calling this post scummy. I'm just calling it as I see it. Give reads before the day ends. FYI

Nahh, I never get nk'd cuz I'm not actually good. That's my secret captain, I'm always town enough not to be lynched, scum enough not to be nk'd, reads are wrong enough for no one to care. Then I show up drunk in lylo and hammer scum for the win.

And that is the way the game is played.

In all seriousness though *everyone* should get last words in *every* day phase, imo.

I don't really get why you seem to think I'm so town though but I don't feel like bothering you about it atm. There is a clearly growing faction of anti-Elbirn sentiment growing though, so that will probably keep me alive at night if nothing else?

[Elbirn]

We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn,

Srsly did I get day-copped while I wasn't looking?

Moz did you not have me as scum earlier? Explain.

[Elbirn]

We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn,

Srsly did I get day-copped while I wasn't looking?

Moz did you not have me as scum earlier? Explain.

Mozamis and Tywin have nigh identical reads. It's kinda awkward but I'm not sure what to make of it.

My tin foil hat is telling me really bad things about all 3 of you right now actually but I'm scared of tywin yelling at me

[Elbirn]

Spoiler:

I think

Aj, moz, and Tywin are having a scum tea party. The latter two are trying to pocket me, thanks to my stalwart townreading of tywin, and Moz ever since Kyouko posited the two of us as having associations and my not handling moz very well. The end game being to get me mislynched once one of them flips, which should be soon.

*sips tea*

I typed this up in my notes a few minutes ago, thinking that I shouldn't post it here because paranoia is bad and dumb. But fuck it, I'm calling this shit out now go away scum.

Lynch either of these 3, lynch all 3, idgaf

[Elbirn]

Votecount 2.5

mozamis 6 (Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Pine, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, Aj The Epic)
ssbm_Kyouko 2 (Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
Aj The Epic 2 (mozamis, Elbirn)
Alisae 1 (Nosferatu)
Nero Cain 1 (xSoniaNevermindx)

Not Voting 2 (Syryana, Cabd)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, January 6, 2 PM Eastern.

I have become aware that Syryana is having some access issues and will not be prodding or replacing him at this time.

After this post was made, 2 more votes on aj (cabd and Tywin), 2 more votes on tywin (sonia and I forget), and 1 fake vote on moz (nero not bolding his vote like a chump)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mozamis

L-1 nerds

[Elbirn]

We lynching before new years or after? Pick your fate homies

[Elbirn]

None here.

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people
Tywin
Kyouko
Cabd

...Cabd is conftown and Kyouko is towntown you silly goose.

Replace cabd with aj.

Replace Kyouko with someone else pretty please.

[Elbirn]

I know. I was doing that for reactions. I never wanted to shoot him.

When you say this you destroy the point of what you're doing

[Elbirn]

intent to hammer

I'll hammer before bed so get any last thoughts out.

I think I've made my reads and intentions clear. If I die tonight, everyone please read the post of mine that has my "lynch pool"; then add tywin to it.

[Elbirn]

vote:Moz

I am counting this as a vote.

Votecount 2.F

mozamis 8 (Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Pine, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, Aj The Epic, Nero Cain, Elbirn)

Aj The Epic 3 (Elbirn, Cabd, Tywin Lannister)
Tywin Lannister 1 (xSoniaNevermindx)
Alisae 1 (Nosferatu)

Not Voting 1 (Syryana)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Syryana will have to respond to a PM from me by night's end or I'll be forced to replace him.

mozamis has been lynched Day 2. He was a...

Spoiler:

Town Mason

Night 2, 48 hours. The game may pause while I find a replacement if I don't hear from Syryana within 48 hours.

Christ alive hey guys when you're a FUCKING MASON AND YOURE GETTING LYNCHED DON'T FAKE CLAIM VANILLA TOWN

FUCK MY SHIT UP FAM

*clears throat*

At any rate, I need to stare at a lake and rethink my life, clearly, but in the meantime Nero can go fuck himself. I bring his "vote" to his attention no less than 80 bamillion times and at no point does he indicate that his vote was real/fake, counts/doesn't, was a joke/was serious. It just sits there waiting for someone to look like a dumbass over it, and scum gets a lynch where we could have maaybbeee had the mason actually claim.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Elbirn]

Mason buddy should absolutely claim because if they get vigged I am going to throw a tantrum

[Elbirn]

I bring his "vote" to his attention no less than 80 bamillion times

Oh.

No. No this was a lie, I brought it up exactly once before I voted.

....I'm still upset with him because I'm an insufferable child.

[Elbirn]

Hey Aj, shut up

[Elbirn]

Aj I told you already to shut the fuck up

[Elbirn]

If you really think scum is fucking dumb enough to counterclaim...

That's not the point. The point is you're dragging a PR out into the open for no God damn reason. Whoever the mason is has their choice to claim or to stay hidden and youre fucking with that by fishing for it like a punkass.

[Elbirn]

Actually, I wanna do this.

VOTE: Tywin

All hail the gods of VCA and truth.

Titus get back on Nero like a good soldier I will not tolerate desertion

[Elbirn]

Elbrin, Pine...talk it out.

I ain't got nothing to talk about here. Nero's a slippery fuck and I want him in the ground.

[Elbirn]

All hail the gods of VCA and truth.

Can we see this vca? With two scum flips we're in a good spot for analyzing votes and interactions.

[Elbirn]

I'm not dead? And that scum Nos is? Nice shot Alisae.

Also, I think via DOES matter. D1, when Titus was pushing Lapsa's wagon after mine failed, I tried pushing Nos (Eliburn did as well), but nope... Titus had to have Lapsa! She's never once mentioned Nos all game. She's not the lynch today due to Cabd, but it makes Cabd suspect along with her.

Also, Kyouko is scum. He kept calling Nos town for no reason. I want kyouko's scummy head on a platter.

I'm not the Mason. That's what I didn't understand. Why didn't moz's mason buddy defend him? Wth?

I TOLD you all he was town though. I also said Nos was scum Day fuckin 1. You people need to listen to me for once. Alisae saved the game, with no help coming from our 'town leader' players like Titus and Cabd.

Nevermind, I'm sorry I doubted you guys

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[Elbirn]

......Wait.


Wait I might have just hammered.

[Elbirn]

Oh thank lort thank you ceph. I was both upset and about to have to do my own vc to make sure.

L-1.

[Elbirn]

Tywin has me as lock town to implicate me when he flips scum. He's also distancing from kyouko.

*munches popcorn*

[Elbirn]

Anyway, Elibrin may be scum but I don't have him there. He's been too counter the usual sheep votes. He hasn't played the game safe like normal scum would. He's voted opposite of the usual suspects many times IMO. He even defended me before. Due to that, I still think he's town, but it's whatever.

^ scum defending town for brownie points ^

[Elbirn]

Elbrin, I would like a whole readslust from you.

How about a reads *list* instead?
-----------------------

Town

Pine

Transcend Syryana

gerryoat
Alisae
Titus

Scum

Nero Cain
Tywin Lannister
Ssbm_Kyouko**

Uhhhh

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic
xSoniaNevermindx

------------------------------


So here's where I'm at, I'm done with Tywin's shit and the last bit of doubt in my heart was my belief that he was the mason partner. With that denied, he's a scum shit for sure.

Nero I'm probably being an over reactive baby towards but his vote thing yesterday pissed me off and he's done fuckall this game

Now Kyouko is kinda like "whaa" but look listen, what do we have for townready evidence? He openly speculated about masons? That sounded great when pine said it but now I'm kinda like...okay? Scum wants speculation about PR's to try to out them. We've got cloud hinting traitor towards kyouko, Kyouko hard townreading nos on *nothing*, scum-tywin mad distancing from him. Kyouko pointing out nos' fake doctor crumbs after his flip was like "look at what my scumbuddy did wow give me towncred" and it rubs me the wrong way.

I've kinda been sitting on this but yeah I don't trust Kyouko anymore and I want him tomorrow


Then my uhh list is like uhhh. Gamma and sonia I feel nothing for. I feel like sonia was town before for some reason but I don't remember why. Gamma is gamma enjoy. There's like nothing there. Aj I had as scummy for a few reasons but he's less so than those other 3 and at some point I started thinking of him less as scum and more as another collaborative voice.

[Elbirn]

Do I have to hammer Tywin, yes or no?

No.

UNVOTE: to prevent stupid shit from happening.

We hammer after we've all gotten time to discuss.

[Elbirn]

Anyway, Elibrin may be scum but I don't have him there. He's been too counter the usual sheep votes. He hasn't played the game safe like normal scum would. He's voted opposite of the usual suspects many times IMO. He even defended me before. Due to that, I still think he's town, but it's whatever.

^ scum defending town for brownie points ^

Can you actually play the game like you're SUPPOSED to and give reasons for calling people scum? Give a damn case already.

Hey brainchild? When I quote a post and call someone scum I expect you to be able to connect the dots. Hell, here I even *did* give a reason by noting what you were doing.

I could dumb it down for you if it's too hard, say something about how "blablabla tywin sounds like he's searching for reasons to townread me", or how you've been hard townreading me the entire game without really wavering on it, some something scum townreading town for cred later I do it all the time something something

And my voting you post could have consisted of an unnecessary explanation of why your posts were bad enough to be vote worthy (the first ones tone was fake as hell + you pretended not to know cabd was dead; the second one was you not-claiming mason which was all you had left in my mind, and losing that meant nothing to townread you on)

It's really interesting that NOW, when I'm calling you scum, NOW you have a Magik brand new scumread on me. Wew lad well done *claps*

[Elbirn]

Ok, tywin is going to make this unreadable.

I endorse the vig pool but not opposed to Elbrin either. For the VCA.

Titus show the world your vca or eat poop

[Elbirn]

Ok, tywin is going to make this unreadable.

I endorse the vig pool but not opposed to Elbrin either. For the VCA.

Titus show the world your vca or eat poop

I'll do it with the flips. I need someone who actually votes.

What does any of this mean.

You're trying to indict me on vca. Show us this vca or shove it.

[Elbirn]

Votecount 1.F

Lapsa 9 (Pine, CloudKicker, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Syryana, Alisae)

Nosferatu 3 (Elbirn, xSoniaNevermindx, Lapsa)
Titus 3 (Nero Cain, mozamis, Tywin Lannister)
Alisae 1 (Aj The Epic)
CloudKicker 1 (Nosferatu)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Try again tywin

I was also pretty clear on thinking moz scum but you know just keep lying about things

[Elbirn]

You know what man just fuck you you're flipping red and youre on ignore

[Elbirn]

Well, of the alive, you -> Mason, Alisae -> Vig, Titus -> Conftown (Cabd)

That's the claims I think.

Gerry slot did not claim anything, please stop fishing for the umpteenth time

[Elbirn]

okay so i suspected Cabd was multi shot because no 1-shot would check titus

also glad I didn't ask Alisae to shoot me instead of Nos b/c I thought Nos was doctor, also due to crumbs

quack

VOTE: Alisae

A "quack" is a slang term for a fake/unlicensed doctor

m

ental remin

d

er to post here again

Reading downwards this says MD, like the suffix for doctors.

Nice shooting though.

*drums fingers*
So

Reading this again, with the context of having the flip, it seems pretty clear that the crumb was "md" for "motion detector", not doctor.

If Kyouko were scum with moz, I assume he'd know what his scumbuddy was crumbing.

[Elbirn]

Oh okay me not wanting power roles shouted from the roof tops for all the world to hear means I'm mocking everyone's intelligence. I guess we should just keep banging pots and pans about it. Are there are any other pr's who haven't claimed, let's fish them out too.

Dumbass.

[Elbirn]

If Kyouko were scum with moz, I assume he'd know what his scumbuddy was crumbing.

What if he does and he's just playing dumb?

I don't think so.

Like, let's get into his head here: says he's scum with nos.

Nos seems to be clearly trying to crumb his actual role there with the "md" for "motion detector". It's a fine idea, to claim your actual role as scum. You know there won't be a town motion detector to cc. The crumbs give your claim credence. Good.

So the scumteam probably talked about this, or nos said "hey i'ma crumb my role" In their chat.

....so then scumbuddy-kyouko, knowing full well what nos was actually crumbing, has to make up a fake train of thought, that he thought him crumbing doctor.

? Like yeah I guess but it's a line of thought I'm not certain scum can think of, it's more likely a town-Kyouko without insider knowledge came to a different conclusion

Yes?

[Elbirn]

Or it's a bunch of WIFOM.

Alisae I swear to God if you don't stop responding to every attempt at logical discourse with "wifom" I'm going to shove a wine bottle up your ass

" 2 + 2 is 4"

"Yeah but wifom"

[Elbirn]

And plus, I think it would be a lot easier to pay attention to crumbs if you are told that someone is actually going to crumb.

Also, I dunno why, but I feel like most of Kyouko's game has been "Hey look, I'm helping."

These are fine things to think though.

[Elbirn]

My theory of Elbrin Tywin AJ Nero feels good, but it's probably wrong

You gonna keep throwing unsubstantiated shade from the sidelines while continuing to do fuckall since you've been confirmed?

Show us the vca in your next post or claim scum, nerd

[Elbirn]

My theory of Elbrin Tywin AJ Nero feels good, but it's probably wrong

You gonna keep throwing unsubstantiated shade from the sidelines while continuing to do fuckall since you've been confirmed?

Show us the vca in your next post or claim scum, nerd

It's day 3. I need 3 days of data. Flips help.

Go ahead. Fight me.

Bruh. Bruh you *have* 3 days of data.

And you started pushing my buttons from the sidelines because "wow vca says elbirn scum"

And then you don't deliver.

Hell, even putting that aside, you have 6 corpses, two of which are scum, and you don't have enough info to analyze?

Hey guys guess what titus fucks up at when she's scum? She doesn't reveal her mysterious vca no matter how much you beg.

[Elbirn]

No. My VCA would want your flip. You're getting hyperdefensive.

Dueling wagons like you and Lapsa suggests one is scum. Do I know that? No.

quote="In post 100, Cephrir"]

Votecount 1.2

Lapsa 5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Alisae, Elbirn)
Alisae 4 (Aj The Epic, Nosferatu, Lapsa, Tywin Lannister)
Elbirn 2 (Lil Uzi Vert, xSoniaNevermindx)
Gamma Emerald 1 (Cabd)

Not Voting 5 (Nero Cain, Transcend, mozamis, ssbm_Kyouko, CloudKicker)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[/quote]

Votecount 1.3

Elbirn 6 (Lil Uzi Vert, xSoniaNevermindx, Aj The Epic, ssbm_Kyouko, Transcend, CloudKicker)
Lapsa 5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Alisae, Elbirn)
Alisae 3 (Nosferatu, Lapsa, Tywin Lannister)
Gamma Emerald 1 (Cabd)

Not Voting 2 (Nero Cain, mozamis)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Good golly gosh, you caught us! In response to a large rvs wagon on town, my MENSA-level scum team swung a counter wagon onto a team mate for no discernible reason! We thought it was the perfect crime but you saw right through it!

Great job!


Like really, this is what you have for me? This is the charge? What am I missing? Explain. Talk to me like I'm five.

Because right now what I'm seeing is baffling nonsense, and you trying to float me as scum not because of any actual reason, but to fit your theory.

[Elbirn]

Alisae I want to say mean things to you but I didnt

[Elbirn]

So I think you and I both realize the chances of a false-positive and true-negative existing at the same to to counter a 1-shot gunsmith is really unlikely. It completely invalidates a role that is... more or less flawed, even compared to a 1shot cop.

Which is why I'm stating that this post feels like scum employing the WIFOM of "Yeah but scum would never be fucking crazy enough to argue with confirmed town Titus". I know you're smart enough to see the writing on the wall and unfortunately I think Tywin's theatrics have given people the idea that such cases as the one quoted is acceptable and not retaliated against. Unfortunately, the fact that you are indeed smart enough to know Titus is almost certainly town means that this is complete and utter bullshit.

It's one of those cases were I'd expect you to put up or shut up here. This is a scum as hell post to try and discredit a basic confirmed town clear by a dead gunsmith by pretending to... call her out over not doing VCA? You're attempting to shake this read and do it in a way that people will say "oh but no scum would be that stupid". If you're going to toss shade, you might as well come out and build a case.

Cabd was not 1-shot, he was a full gunsmith. And it seems wholly reasonable for there to be more than one role that screws with gs. Scum also need a role that allows them to deal with vig/sk, so a roleblocker or doc or some such. Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Like ya yeah got me, I don't have balls massive enough to confidently attempt a push on a semi-confirmed titus. Nor the balls to pull a sudden 180 on someone I've just accepted as town the whole damn game on a whim.

But

1. It is entirely reasonable that there be a false-positive on the scum team.

2. Titus has done literally fuckall this game, especially ever since cabd confirmed her.

3. I have literally begged titus multiple times on multiple different topics to give me her insight (last day phase when she wanted me to vote moz and wouldn't tell me why; today regarding vca). This is, to reiterate, scummy af coming from her. I may be misremembering, but I do believe it was legends of the hidden temple mafia 2 where town caught scum-titus partly based on this tell.

4. When titus suddenly can't read me and starts floating me as scum for no real reason, she's scum. I know this is subjective as fuck. No one needs to pretend this point makes any sense. (But again, hidden temple 2 I'm pretty sure?)

It's not nothing dude. It's there, it's a thing.

And you chainsawing and trying to come at my throat over it is scummy as fuck, and I see in later posts you're still tsk-tsking me about it. Vote me or shut the fuck up.

<3 Hugs + Kisses,
-Elbirn

[Elbirn]

Titus

Girl

Give me fucking something to work with. You've been lifeless this game. If you're town, you're wasting what is essentially to everyone a confirmation. This isn't the titus I know and love. Where's the pizazz?

Can you tell me WHY you've been so not present this game?

[Elbirn]

Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Stop right there.
Scum doc heals nos.

*Detective Cole turning a glass bottle over in his hands* circumstantial

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

But he's town

[Elbirn]

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

But he's town

But he's scum. He basicly got caught and everyone is dismissing him for bad town imo.

I don't know what he "got caught" for or how he's "bad town". Maybe I'm just brain dead but I ain't seeing it.

I'm guessing were talking about him voting for you a little bit ago? I disagreed with voting you but felt his premise for doing so was genuine: he thought you were being an uppity sk and trying to throw off your leash and he wasn't having it. I didn't disagree with him, really, though it's not what I would have done and I'm glad he backed off.

Yeah you got nos scum dropping the "pushing sk" tell but pine didn't really do the same thing in my view. He saw a threat to town and #gotmad.

[Elbirn]

Hey Elbrin, how about you go into my ISO and read all my recent posts about Pine and then tell me whatchu think of him.

I have read them and was not convinced. Sorry friend. :/

Like it was all "pine is scum cuz he disregarded me and then he faked a double vote" and I'm all "those things aren't AI"

[Elbirn]

Hey Elbrin, how about you go into my ISO and read all my recent posts about Pine and then tell me whatchu think of him.

I have read them and was not convinced. Sorry friend. :/

Like it was all "pine is scum cuz he disregarded me and then he faked a double vote" and I'm all "those things aren't AI"

And the other posts where I quoted some of Pine's other posts including his link to Kyouko and my discussion with him about the traitor crumb?

Also it's not the doublevote itself, it's the tone that striked me as frustrated scum.

I'm p sure I saw the traitorcrumbdiscussion bit? That was the "pine discredited me" part I mentioned. I wasn't really sold.

His double vote didn't strike me as fake. I mean I get the tone reading bit, I myself play largely by sense of smell, but I didn't see it there. It seemed a natural reaction? He thinks tywin is obvscum. He wants tywin dead like yesterday.

[Elbirn]

His double vote didn't strike me as fake. I mean I get the tone reading bit, I myself play largely by sense of smell, but I didn't see it there. It seemed a natural reaction? He thinks tywin is obvscum. He wants tywin dead like yesterday.

Replace the word "Obvscum" with "obvtown." And what do you get?
And BTW this is around the time where Tywin might have been saying somethings along the lines of Pine was scum? Don't exactly remember that too well, let me go check real quick.

I'm not really certain what you're driving at :/

[Elbirn]

He's scum for other reasons, but the most recent one was his vote on Alisae earlier today. Alisae is all but confirmed to not be scum after the Nos NK. Voting Alisae is so anti-town that there's no excuse for it. He also has ignored kyouko's wagon entirely (not even acknowledging its existence at the time), which makes me think they're a team. Do you know who also voted Alisae claiming she was the SK over actually trying to vote scum? Nos.

Since you aren't convinced about Pine, then give your reasons for TRing him. I'm curious to see why anyone would. At best, he should be a null read based on his content and votes (always on town). He pushes for town wagons and then when we get a scum flip due to Alisae's NK, he pushes for her lynch. Damning IMO

I agree that voting alisae is pretty pants on head stupid, but pine did have reasoning for it. And it was a wholly different situation than from nos, like I said in an earlier post.

Re: Kyouko + pine, preflip associations aren't a good move to make. Either way, it doesn't surprise me that pine ignored the Kyouko wagon because he's been pretty open about townreading her strongly. It's also worth noting that Kyouko was pushing pine, no?

I'm willing to more critically reevaluate pine here but uhh for now my reasoning is a lot of "because I think so". I've been satisfied with his contributions since he stopped being such a lurky fuck on d1, his words have made my tummy smile

[Elbirn]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

OH LOOK

IT'S TITUS

STILL CALLING ME SCUM WITHOUT SAYING WHY AND REFUSING TO ENGAGE WITH GOD FUCKING DAMN ANYTHING THAT I FUCKING SAID. JUST KEEPS FLOATING THAT SOFTBALL OUT THERE

VOTE: Titus

I don't fucking care how, you're scum, my vote stays here until you're dead. If you're not scum you've played so piss poorly I legitimately don't want to play with you again. And I swear to god scum better shoot me tonight because I am so fucking tired of this shit show. Please, legitimately, please shoot me scum-team, do me a favor on a personal level and put a bullet in me

[Elbirn]

Cabd, I am at Lapsa AJ TL as stronger scumreads. Alisae uneases me, same with Uzi. Gamma might be scum.

Cloudkicker solid town. Pine and Sonia lean town. Nero is likely town, not by his content, but by the posturing in thread. Mozamis weak town.

Nostramus, gun to head town.

Be my soundingboard? Cloud, please chime in too.

Peace out until tonight.

Posts made by nos by thus point:

quack
VOTE: Alisae

alsjdlsakjdlsa

Titus what the fuck I thought you were town
How could you do this to me?

OH LOOK

THIS AGAIN

[Elbirn]

@Elbrin, the votes dictate my scumread on you. Your defensiveness doesn't help.

The mysterious ~votes~ that you won't talk about. But rest assured they exist and make me scum!

And questioning titus = defensiveness = scum. Brilliant! Never question titus or you'll be scum!

Seriously titus just give me one reason why you've done fuckall and have refused to engage me. I'm literally begging you for an excuse. "I'm busy with work" "I'm going through an existential collapse" "my son ate bad seafood and hasn't stopped shitting for weeks and I must attend to him". Pick one. Make me feel better about the fact that the fire is absolutely gone from you

[Elbirn]

Not certain what you mean?

[Elbirn]

I don't wanna you can't make me you're not my real dad

[Elbirn]

Votecount 3.4

Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
ssbm_Kyouko 2 (xSoniaNevermindx, Alisae)
Pine 1 (Tywin Lannister)

Not Voting 6 (others)

Apparently my vote looks so stupid the mod didn't even count it

counting is REALLY HARD

[Elbirn]

You'll get nothing and like it

"There's nothing there" In terms of my feelings for you. I have none. You exist in a blind spot. You have ascended null-hood and reached I don't give a fuck-nirvana

[Elbirn]

Hi Kyouko. Can you explain why you were townreading nos? Tia

[Elbirn]

Why are people suggesting lynching Elbirn

Cuz of prior votes.

Show the class your work instead of just saying "prior votes" like it means anything

[Elbirn]

Nope but that's a start, Alisae.

Elbrin, when I am confirmed town, I let others solve more. Bite me.

Unacceptable. Do shit or I'm replacing out.

[Elbirn]

I want to sub out because one of the following is true

1. Our confirmed town is using their confirmed town status as an excuse to do fuckall instead of leading town like I know she's capable of doing and like I know she loves to do when town because she has an ego the size of a really big thing. She instead thinks the best course of action is to refuse to engage with the game or people literally begging her to do anything.

2. Our only PR result was a false positive on scum-titus and I will never, ever be good enough to push a lynch here because "titus is conftown"

Either of these result in a few more months of playing a game that's already lost, and exactly 0% fun.

[Elbirn]

Nope but that's a start, Alisae.

Elbrin, when I am confirmed town, I let others solve more. Bite me.

Unacceptable. Do shit or I'm replacing out.

Hey.
Stop being a little bitch and solve shit yourself.
Atleast show some effort instead of trying to sheep Titus.
Because you're being a hypocrite.
Or come lynch scum with me.
We flippin Kyouko boyz.

Also Garry for a moment I forgot you are on V/LA

Alisae, the grownups are talking

[Elbirn]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

[Elbirn]

Why does everyone have a hard on for lynching Kyouko again?

[Elbirn]

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

Oh yeah this is scum

Choo Choo motherfuckers it's game time

[Elbirn]

Let's note for all his talk I don't see Elbirn voting Tywin

No, no I am not.

"For all my talk", like I've been discussing lynching tywin. I haven't even said Tywin's name in any of my last dozen posts.

Unless you're doing a catchup and am trying to insinuate I never voted tywin EARLIER which is a bald faced lie.

[Elbirn]

Kyouko is scum

But why

[Elbirn]

1. Meh

2. Titus is an experienced player and as a general statement you could say that she has better judgement, yeah?

3. This is, if anything, a reason to lynch gamma, not kyouko. Preflip association is bad.

[Elbirn]

2. This point is based on your own ego being hurt and doesn't make Kyouko scum. Sorrynotsorry

3. You should hop on the gamma wagon

[Elbirn]

As someone who has played many bazillions of games with titus, none of this looks like town-her, and as someone who plays entirely by sense of smell it triggers the fuck out of me

But again she's never getting lynched so uhm I'm just gonna hope she's town and gets shot before lylo

[Elbirn]

BTW wants some?
/me offers Kyouko popcorn.

I'm rolling with either scumteam at this point
A: Kyouko, Gamma, Pine
B. Aj, Tywin, Nero

UNVOTE:

*rubs temples* I'm tired of playing like an idiot, I want to play smrterer now

I'm gonna go ahead and just wipe the slate clean on this game and start over. I'll be back after I've iso'd literally everyone and analyzed cloud/nos interactions and votes and such

[Elbirn]

Oh piss, I forgot multiquoted that

Uhh my snark won't be as effective now but yeah, alisae, your hypothesis there is basically that literally anyone in this game is scum, and I'm like "wowe so brave"

Also your preflip associative are all really really bad and I encourage you to play smarter than that. Join me in my quest to play better and stop doing that.

Find scum, kill scum, worry about their partner associative tells for the next lynch. Shoot people who town wants dead, don't go lone wolf and shoot based on illogical ideas based on preflips

[Elbirn]

Votecount 3.6

Gamma Emerald 5 (Elbirn, Aj The Epic, Alisae, Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
ssbm_Kyouko 1 (xSoniaNevermindx)
Aj The Epic 1 (ssbm_Kyouko)
Nero Cain 1 (Pine)

Not Voting 1 (gerryoat)

Sonia is V/LA.

Votecount 3.5

ssbm_Kyouko 5 (xSoniaNevermindx, Alisae, Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
Aj The Epic 1 (ssbm_Kyouko)
Gamma Emerald 1 (Elbirn)

Not Voting 2 (Pine, gerryoat)

I like how the same 4 players swing from one wagon to the next like it's nothing. Doesn't surprise me to see Alisae doing this because he always sheeps but really calls into question Aj/Tywin/Nero imo. 1 of these is scum surely

This was an excellent point by the way.

Alisae
Aj
Tywin
Nero

Being the voting bloc. Alisae just does this apparently and is confirmed non-scum. But I find it unlikely for gamma to be scum if any of the latter 3 are. If the 3 are town than the wagon speed/flipping doesn't really mean much but yeah.

Analyzing why these 3 have been so flippant and what their reasons for joining the 2 wagons are could be a good start

[Elbirn]

Did you not scum read Pine for his post crying about Alisae NKing scum and her 'not being leashed'. I thought that was a huge scum tell.

Nope, soz. Your thinking on it is fine, I just don't find myself agreeing with it. I kinda sympathized with his annoyances at alisae suddenly getting really cocky and trying to take charge. It wasn't smart to vote for alisae but I certainly saw his frustrations coming from a townie place. I also don't believe he "cried about alisae shooting scum", but I also haven't gone and reread that post as I am lazy so here we are.

And in general I've just quite liked pines content. He gives me goodfeels. In a game where not even the conftown gives me goodfeels. I ain't lynching there.

[Elbirn]

Elibrin, I may have embellished the 'crying about NKibg scum' part haha, but that's essentially how I interpreted it.

Yeah okay, Alisae is basically saying that she's going to shoot anyone who is cautious about whether she's an SK or Vig. That means she ain't leashed at all. She'll go through the Town as she wants, until she gets rid of anyone who's a threat...to her.

We can lynch Tywin whenever we want. I'd like to shake this tree while we still have people with brains to do the shaking.

VOTE: Alisae

Why would you do that tywin, just go on the internet and make up lies

[Elbirn]

FYI, I get NK'd.
Gamma flip scum = Pine or Kyouko shot. Lynch the other. Preferibly Kyouko
Gamma flip town = Tywin gon git rekt

I keep telling you not to do this. Pine is town and Kyouko is probably too.

Gamma
Aj
Tywin

^ there's your dead pool

[Elbirn]

@alisae: you've had this "tywin is bulletproof" idea since day 2. Is there any reasoning you can share on that?

[Elbirn]

Alisae you have literally everyone on your hit list for some pants-on-head reason or another, and that is really not how this works. That's not how anything works. Please don't make a stupid shot tonight. Be smarterer.

[Elbirn]

We also had an entire week left for discussion which all got cut short by Kyouko because why?

[Elbirn]

Tywin your AtE is being laid on far too thiccc. Yes, with 3 c's. I don't even understand what you're upset about. And your attempts to discredit pine as not doing anything make no goddamn sense when he's been contributing quite a bit since shedding his lurker-sack-Ness from day 1. And then I have no idea how you forget several people as being in the game and push that it's lylo and dude you're just what

I've been flip-flopping on your alignment all game but I think these recent posts have solidified me being tired of your shit. Constant, baseless ate, and your jabs at Pine are like scum stubbornly refusing to let go of a mislynch they want. The latter is exactly what I do when I'm scum, and I feel that plenty of scum have done it, you don't have organic read progressions cuz it's all fake so you pick a target and you stick with it and then you don't know when to stop.