Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Gamma Emerald]

Read my last post for a more thorough assessment.

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I'm not ignoring your posts they just do nothing to resolve the issue.

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wat

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plz hold

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What's the issue that you have then? Let's resolve it.

I want you to give a solid assessment of Alisae, all on your own.

[Gamma Emerald]

The Alisae thing was an attempt at having in-thread mason like thing I saw someone once do with my own twist on it. What I'm doing with Titus is not buddying. I thought my post about VCA showed that.

I just told people to stop giving reads list when everyone wanted to suddenly do them. I'm not trying to please anyone.

What Alisae thing?

[Gamma Emerald]

no stahp
tywin is town

[Gamma Emerald]

no stahp
tywin is town

My door is open to reasons to townread him that are not rage/faked towntells. I have asked repeatedly, got crickets.

He finally simmered down when I was talking with him. I'd think scum would remain indignant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Attempt 2

Votecount 1.3

Elbirn

6 (

Lil Uzi Vert

,

xSoniaNevermindx,

Aj The Epic

, ssbm_Kyouko

,

Transcend

,

CloudKicker

)

Lapsa

5 (

Pine

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Titus

,

Alisae

,

Elbirn

)

Alisae

3 (Nosferatu,

Lapsa

,

Tywin Lannister

)

Gamma Emerald

1 (

Cabd

)

Not Voting 2 (

Nero Cain

, mozamis

)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

This makes more sense than before.

From the analysis here, if my team guess is right (Sonia, Lapsa, Ali, ssbm), then we see
Two scum bussing each other
The other 2 scum on a town counterwagon
Which is behavior I don't find too abnormal. Lapsa replaced Tywin partailly because my VCA made more sense with that grouping.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lil Uzi Vert has been killed Night 1. He was a...

Spoiler:

Town Vanilla Cop

.

CloudKicker has been killed Night 1. He was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Loved Traitor

.

It is now Day 2. Dead thread additions and first post will be updated later.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Reads are fucking REKT

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to state there's no way a vig shoots CK: we've got an SK on our hands.

[Gamma Emerald]

Flips say otherwise

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Oh. I just realized he flipped traitor, not main scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum killed CK and the mod let the kill go through on the traitor.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum killed CK and the mod let the kill go through on the traitor.

Read the wiki about the normal definition of a traitor plz Tia.

I know how traitor works: sometimes they can be killed by the scumteam.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to state there's no way a vig shoots CK: we've got an SK on our hands.

Thanks for popping in! Any chance of some reads, some opinions?

Once I get caught up sure. Sonia is still very likely scum, for now.
VOTE: Sonia

[Gamma Emerald]

moza can you stfu you're thread spamming at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

I REALLY need to read up...

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Cloud tried to pocket me.
Suck it

Where?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cloud tried to pocket me.
Suck it

So you're claiming Vig that shot Cloud?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sure?

',:|

[Gamma Emerald]

holy shit we need a raised eyebrow emote

[Gamma Emerald]

So we have 2 "vig claims" and neither shot the other vig claimer.

This is a where is my vodka game.

Why do you say this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lmao I misread the cloud flip. Titus is confirmed town

How?

[Gamma Emerald]

one shot gunsmith result. No reason to hide it

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

What result did you get on Titus?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, how does it confirm Titus as town? Scum may have a doc or something.

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Gun to my head town.

Terrible.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am really starting to think Sonia is scum at this point. There was no real reason for scum to shoot at cloud except their friendship connection. Why not shoot one of the stronger TRs like Cabd or something? Why not shoot me or Titus and put WIFOM shade on the other? Why not shoot anyone that looks like a PR? Why cloud? It's funny that he's the traitor, but scum shooting cloud means they did it for personal reasons over in-game ones. That points directly to Sonia IMO.

WHAT?!?!!?!?
IF ANYONE HERE WOULDN'T SHOOT CLOUD IT'S ME LOL
WERE GOOD FRIENDS AND IF I WAS SCUM I WOULD'VE KEPT HIM ALIVE FOR SO LONG

Yeah talktalktalk
Can you prove it? NO

[Gamma Emerald]

Cloud was rubbing up on me harder then a hooker on a fucking pole did you read that buddy shit?

Ignores deliberately until Syr arrives

I'd vig Gamma or syr what do you think Titus

Ignoring the horrible suggestion of ME as a vig shot, Syr is STILL a bad shot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

Doesn't this post suggest lynch Kyouko?

Hmm..

Also I haf question: Uzi flipped Vanilla Cop. The only reason for the vanilla to be in there is if there are either modifier cops (insane/naive/etc) elsewhere. So if someone also got a cop role, perhaps they are insane? Just a thought, although not sure if the modifiers are considered normal or not. I just don't really see a reason to say 'vanilla' cop if the others aren't normal anyway.

That is NOT AT ALL what a Vanilla cop does.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cloud was tr by a lot of people it's not out of question Cloud was the scumkill

Do not joke about claiming a kill. Ty vm.

Titus what was this about?

Sonia joked about murdering Cloud.

In a past scum game, I have fantasized about nonchalantly mentioning my kill in NK spec.

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 2.1

ssbm_Kyouko 3 (Alisae, Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister)
Tywin Lannister 1 (xSoniaNevermindx)

Not Voting 10 (others)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Can you please add all the names of the ones not voting?

[Gamma Emerald]

that was quick.
right, you fuckers. wtf happened?
Not very happy with Cabd,Skrana or Alisae. Cabd in particular obviously forfeits his town read.
anyway, catching up.

Yeah walk that shit back those are obvtown
With the exception of Ali

[Gamma Emerald]

small break time

[Gamma Emerald]

Sonia as scuM?
Seems unlikely as fcuk.

why

[Gamma Emerald]

omg does that mean I'm one of your top tr's Titus? ;-;

Nope. It just means by how the situation is playing out I don't want to lynch you for a few days.

Jee...thanks

Had to throw out my reads and start again. Plus, there's a scumhunting reason to be slow with reads as near conftown. A lack of pushback means no check on my reads.

Don't worry I can be the

dumbass

hero who checks your reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like to reserve the position of weird second cousin that you only see once every few years and are you're oddly attracted to.

Awesome uncle = reserved by me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I be the cute child who gets in trouble all the time but you can't stay mad at

No
You are the middle child upset at the lack of attention
UTL TAKE SOME FUCKING NOTES!

[Gamma Emerald]

If you didn't I'm not sure why you'd CC. Like I know that you are arguing that there could be two vigs (I don't even think Sry claim was legit anyways) but if that's what you believed at the time then why CC? And if thats not what you believed at the time why wouldn't you think she is scum?

I CC'd cause for some reason I believed the claim and I figured I might as well claim before the event where I got shot.
I didn't think she was scum because my strong townread on them still sorta lingers, so I believed it.

pfffff what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Damn nevermind. Thought ssbm was softing mason. Theory canceled. Woulda put us at 5.5 confirmed on day two. With a vig slash leashed SK.

Though leashed SK is NOT a super-great idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

This feels like deathnote mafia where someone outted 1 sr on my slot out of no where and ten it turned into a bw of "oh yeah Sonia be scum!"
zzzzz
I really don't understand the scumreads on me feels just like people trying to go for whatever they can bite.
Nero having little to no reaction at the Titus clear is ehhhhh at best
I'll re read a bit because I don't really have any scumreads I can vote and say "yeah pretty sure you'll flip scum"

JUST AS I BRING UP MY SK LEASHING SKEPTICISM
LOL

[Gamma Emerald]

While we wait let's talk about how super scummy painbringer is. Only one post in the entire thread.

fffffffffffffffff

[Gamma Emerald]

hey a first vote on me!
It's nice to be noticed...
nd it's from Titus. As Agent Gadd from "The Americans" would say:
"Let me put on my BIG SURPRISE FACE"

Better one

[Gamma Emerald]

@everyone not named me: Should suspected but not proven to be Vig/SKs be leashed or instantly lynched?

Leash, but MAKE IT TIGHT, and don't ignore them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae just stop arguing. You don't even know what you're saying. If you were the vigilante, you'd start a wagon on Syryana for his vigi claim, because he faked it and is scum. You'd have CAUGHT scum right there for the taking, but instead are trying to argue that it's WIFOM for me to assume a townie would want to lynch scum.

Just stop. You're not fooling anyone. You're scum's best weapon right now too. You've hammered a townie, NK'd a cop, and now tunnel another townie. You'll almost certainly hit a 4th townie NK tonight unless you completely hit scum by accident, so that will be 4 townies you've had a huge role in taking out. The problem you have is scum know you're the SK too, so as soon as you're done hammering and NKing all the townies, you're next. So it's already game over for you. You just don't know it yet.

Tywin stop this. I've seen town fakeclaim vig before. It was very effective in giving the vig another kill.

[Gamma Emerald]

SYRYANA IS NOT A FUCKING VIG OH MY GOD


It was painfully obvious he was kidding. Does nobody else see that?

Even I knew. It was the obvious hypo claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

You have Cabd as strong town but not titus.

Beacuse:
1) reasons of pride. I strong scum read all day yesterday. Looks like I was well out of court. Unless

2) She's Sk/ 3rd party with a bow and arrow etc

But yeah, she is unl;ynchable unless we can pin 3rd party for sure on her, which seems unlikely.

dbhfcbhrfbb oh fuck me
Sonia, you were in DN, so I expect something out of you, so: Read on mozamis NOW

[Gamma Emerald]

I am tired of my vote not being in play so uh eat my Gary Johnson protest vote

VOTE: Nosferatu

This is fantastic

[Gamma Emerald]

You should shoot Elbrin in the face.

no he's town

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae, also shoot anyone who tries to control your shot (Titus above is kidding). Directing the vig/SK is classic scum.

nah I have a better tell

[Gamma Emerald]

PS. Please add the following people onto that list as well.
Titus
My parents
All of my friends
Annie Wilkes
Flowey

so you know Undertale

[Gamma Emerald]

See, this exchange is making me think Alisae is SK instead of Vig. SK is worried about other shooters, Vig is just part of Town.

Jury's still out though.

Why not kill Syr based on this theory?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll be back soon after some research

[Gamma Emerald]

Compare mozamis' play to AC in Death Note, Sonia.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nero
A lot of Moz's reads match up with myown and I still think Tywin was "fuck you I give up" town regardless of Clouds defending even if the read did go down
Nero can die though.

Do what I asked.

[Gamma Emerald]

Compare mozamis' play to AC in Death Note, Sonia.

[Gamma Emerald]

This is an effort to judge your alignment.
Look at how moz is treating Titus today.

[Gamma Emerald]

My HS has role madness games only.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck it, no towncred for you. However, I'm moving my vote to moz because of what I've been trying to remind Sonia about: SK concerns at a certain point are scum indicative. The way moz has been pushing Titus as a possible SK is scum indicative.
VOTE: mozamis

[Gamma Emerald]

Piegirl?

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I find the Alisea Sk stuff a bit irrelevant. Her vig claim seemed really town. I can't really see her being an SK.
@ whoever said I was pushing Titus as SK. "Pushing" is massively overstating it. I begrudgingly had to withdraw my scum read of her. So shes either town or Sk. Pretty sure that was all i said. But pushing? No. Anyway, she's not scum and that's the priority today.
Anyway, am I going down today?
Bring it on, bitches!

Yeah that was me. Your "unlynchable" phrasing doesn't dobyou any favors neither. Sounds like lynches are just a facilitation of your plans: plans of annihilating the town!

[Gamma Emerald]

My hearts not in it, and it's also really fucking stupid that we're building a counterwagon to the dude that scum-cloud hinted to before he died

This lynch should be based on looking at cloud interactions but instead we're dicking around trying to find other scum

Interactions are overrated

[Gamma Emerald]

My hearts not in it, and it's also really fucking stupid that we're building a counterwagon to the dude that scum-cloud hinted to before he died

This lynch should be based on looking at cloud interactions but instead we're dicking around trying to find other scum

Interactions are overrated

I guess we should just lynch by rng then, huh?

No. I'm using actions: mozamis tried to push the Titus-SK angle for quite a bit toDay. Scum love using SK paranoia.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, in case i do go down. A new read, a 180 from me.
Not liking Sonia. I was thinking earlier she seems really "blendy", kinda nice and inoffensive, which obviously could go either way. But then there's her stuff about "sharing reads with Mozza" -which was news to me. Had the whiff of buddying. Since I had been "strong town" reading her all game. Makes sense from a scum perspective to keep me sweet. And then her voting for Nero, for no real reason.
Not sure there's a safer wagon than Nero, clearly has zero traction.
I think she's definitely a possibility.

Last second distancing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, what I am supposed to say? There is no case against me. Titus and Pine I pissed off early on, and they are OMGUsing.
No one else has given reasons. (going from memory) What are you reasons?

>Contradictory suggestions
>SK paranoia

[Gamma Emerald]

So full disclosure, I was hoping to wait to evaluate the actual cloudkicker ISO and make my own opinions once EVERYONE else had weighed in but game's dragging. (I skimmed cases made from said ISO intentionally hence lack of vote)

Spoiler: Wherein Cabd waffles a ton while quoting a majority of Cloud's ISO

I aready found 1 mefia and i will townblock transcend if he has the same read

This points against syr-scum slightly in my book.

Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

He's null. Too early.

No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beep
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra

We have clears on Lapsa and Titus; so I've got money one of {gamma; Sonia} scum. I don't think it's both. Scum knew they had a traitor btw; just checked; so his traitor claims not getting picked up on hints more towards people less likely to know what to look for in him/know how to go about treating a traitor when scum. This makes me favor gamma over Sonia here if I had to pick; I think.

sonia titus elbirn pine are all looking bad atm, i like uzi, lap and another guy i forgot

Titus cleared; Uzi Lap dead town. Is it really as simple as two scum in {sonia, pine, elbirn}? Nah, can't be THAT easy...

Sonia i trust that i am competent enough that i will eventually have a correct read on your alignement, whatever it is

Although...

@mod whats the point even to have encryptor if mafia still have day talk without it, 2 encryptors?

In hindsight this was probably something irrelevant, he wouldn't know the main mafia team's PRs. The backtracking may have been legit about a flip in a different game.

Timing is important, and titus meta is great, sonia is a good player but this is also d1, flips will reveal her alignement and mine also

Wait people scumread sonia from this ISO, really?

Side note: Fuck he's really re-enforcing the tywin townslip scenario...

Also woops i forgot i did quote, im sad transcend boi is subbing out, i really wanted to play with him and sonia, one of the reason why i joined the game, lapsa also said he wouldnt be part of tywin lynch but eventally did vote them, also aj you are right its not AI per se, but you have to read in to nd tywin's imo was genuine, much more than titus's iso she has posted as proof

VOTE: lapsa

FWIW this also points slightly against syr-scum FMPOV

Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

AJ or tywin? Starting to waffle but otoh the tywin shit was so frustrated town. Ugh.

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

This is the post that has everyone wanting to lynch SSBM right? I don't see it as indicative of ssbm scum; somebody convince me otherwise?

Yeah, I'm still not interested in a Lypsawhateverthefuckhisnameis lynch

Pedit: whats this about lying about tywin?

Just going to mark this as fake looking and associatives with lapsa, this is the exact behavior im looking for by pushong on traitor claim

Another point for town-syr.

Major takeaway here is +townpoints for Syryana and Sonia. And a major slide in my confidence in town-level for Aj and Tywin. Mozamis slot and nosf. slot were completely ignored; which means I'd rather not hunt there today. In fact until I typed that previous sentence I'd forgotten nos was still in this game. Even our completely VLA syryana player has more presence after subbing in.

Yeah I have to object. What makes Sonia townier than me? My reasons for SRing Sonia based on treatment of Cloud still makes sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know nothing anymore. Does a traitor townread his buddies or scumread them?

I feel okay about giving syr town points but unsure about sonia, I feel like I've either not groked what you're saying about sonia or something else

IMO a traitor is meant to cause confusion.
A side note to Cabd, I've had a few games I've been in with traitors so I do have some experience with them.

[Gamma Emerald]

No they don't.
Cloud is my friend
How I would approach cloud if he were town and I was scum is buddy the living hell out of him and make sure he's my sheep
Not nk him after 1 god dam day

Gamma you don't make sense please stop acting like you do cause my flip throws you right in the light for prime picking after

Pardon?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have other reads, but they're town reads and uninteresting at that point.

Disagree; I'd love your town reads and justification thereof to help me sort you.

Right now,

Titus/Cabd/Alisae/Pine town
Nero/Elbirn probtown
Nos null
Tywin/Sonia/Gamma lean scum
Moz/SSBM scum

This list is p good tbh, all my primary scumspects are in his scumpool

[Gamma Emerald]

Moz weren't you townreading me?
What changed so fast.

Hell what's the fucking case on me is there even one or am I just one of those people who are a throw away sr for people now *wince*

tbh it would be really funny if the Death Note parallels kept coming
and then don't stop coming

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Gamma! What's your opinion on the like last 3 day of gameplay?

I've been pretty vocal recently dude.

Also stop flirting.

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cloud was rubbing up on me harder then a hooker on a fucking pole did you read that buddy shit?

Ignores deliberately until Syr arrives

I'd vig Gamma or syr what do you think Titus

Last post where she SRed but, but now she thinks I'm town? What changed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you want me vigged? Because I'm right about you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Side note: The gimmick is kinda over-rated at this point; and "omg lolis" survives only up until entry into reality or a friendly visit from the government, whichever comes first

wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Give me enough rope...
(It's interesting, but I'm sure the more people post, the scummier people seem to find them. There must be a mafia theory about this somewhere...To do with paranoia i guess. And probably because the more you post, the more you probably end up slagging everyone off.)
So yeah, this will probably get me lynched, but fuck it.
Point being: there is an alternative to the Me vs AJ wagon.
And that's the lurker route. Tywin, Nero, Nos. They all seem to be a waste of space, and they are all possibly scummy.
Just putting it out there.

I'm factchecking this shit

[Gamma Emerald]

MY P.o.E update:
So scum has to be in AJ, Nos, Gamma, Sonia, (Twyin? He has been stong town read of mine, but maybe i was gullible over his ATE?)
Gamma already on my wagon.
Soni and Tywin will get in a muddle if they vote me.
So my bet is that Nos will come in and whack down a lurkery/"lols" hammer "cos that the way he plays, fuck it, i didmnt really know what was going on, shit was he town, ah shame..."
If so lynch the fuck out of him.

Give me enough rope...
(It's interesting, but I'm sure the more people post, the scummier people seem to find them. There must be a mafia theory about this somewhere...To do with paranoia i guess. And probably because the more you post, the more you probably end up slagging everyone off.)
So yeah, this will probably get me lynched, but fuck it.
Point being: there is an alternative to the Me vs AJ wagon.
And that's the lurker route. Tywin, Nero, Nos. They all seem to be a waste of space, and they are all possibly scummy.
Just putting it out there.

FAKE

[Gamma Emerald]

this is to Moz and everyone else that is "scum" reading me but is not engaging with me and keeping me at arms length. Moz the

ONLY

difference between this game and RFB is that the people I was scum reading like House and Exp and whomever else actually replied to my stuff on them and/or had "valid" (albiet wrong as fuck/pushback) that I could counter. Here no one is really doing that. Yes, SSBM finally got around to acknowledging that I was voting her but for the most part everyone here seems to just wave me off.

Let's talk buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Elibrin, if you are town, I'd give a long farewell letter and last reads before mozamis gets hammered, because you're too town to not be NK'd soon. I mean.. Assuming scum aren't idiots, I can't see how you'd live. Mozamis is the other obvious 'absolutely screams town' player to me, and scum are wagoning him for it. Titus and Cabd have remained useless enough to live on. I'm an easy mislynch tomorrow. Alisae is useless and easily led like a sheep, so she's gonna stay. The rest are null players that could go either way, but honestly add nothing to help town win so they're a wash.

So analyzing what any smart scum team would do, you're the obvious NK target assuming you really are town and not scum playing the game of your life. Just saying man. Be prepared for it. I can say this since I already accept my fate as the next mislynch, so I'm not exactly worried about scum like Pine calling this post scummy. I'm just calling it as I see it. Give reads before the day ends. FYI

gimme a sec to catch up then I'll school you

[Gamma Emerald]

ok about what?

How the Day is going. Why do you specifically think moz is scum? Who are your other suspects?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do cases when I need to start a wagon, not end one.

Have fun with that scum. That's not a townie mindset. You're lucky town have a learn 2 play issue this game.

AJ's concern is founded
He should stilll case moz
I'll do that once I catch up

[Gamma Emerald]

Day 1 I noted moz complaining about the sheer size of the game while suggesting a lurker lynch. I also scumread moz for SK paranoia bullshit.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we lynch Tywin. I have a feeling he has a BP.
Also I feel a LOT better about Titus then I did. End of Day 2 I was tempted to shoot her and was super conflicted.

No, I'll give Tywin a tentative pass. I think I'll explain why now since it's pretty obvious in retrospect. I think he is moz's mason buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

More reasonable explanation:

Mozamis flipped mason. Scum assumed mozamis's buddy did not vote him. Scum tried to shoot the buddy last night.
Players not voting Mozamis at lynch include Cabd, Tywin, Sonia, and Nosferatu. We now know Nosferatu was scum, so we can cross her off of scum's list. Mozamis himself voted Tywin and Sonia, which would be enough reason not to shoot them. That leaves Cabd and Syryana/Gerryoat.

Elbirn's hammer appears to have been accidental but might have been a clever fake banking on the mod counting Nero's vote. He's seemed towny to me for most if not all of the game so I'm ruling it was an accident.
Assuming Elbirn's hammer was an accident that leaves Gerryoat(Syryana) and Elbirn as the likely mason partners. I suggest we don't lynch there for now because scum will feel pressured to hunt for the other mason with the NK. Mason should also not claim for now to save yourself to CC in case scum tries to claim mozamis buddy.

I could probably do Tywin today. Will look at Mozamis ISO and try to remember who pushed her. Gonna check VCs.

Good points but I remember someone stating moz and Tywin had similar reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's actually seriously obvious Tywin was a mason with Mozamis. As soon as mozamis flipped, I wanted to kick myself for not seeing it.

Syr is the mason. Tyr is whiteknighting scum most likely.

aight

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not dead? And that scum Nos is? Nice shot Alisae.

Also, I think via DOES matter. D1, when Titus was pushing Lapsa's wagon after mine failed, I tried pushing Nos (Eliburn did as well), but nope... Titus had to have Lapsa! She's never once mentioned Nos all game.

She's not the lynch today due to Cabd, but it makes Cabd suspect along with her.

Also, Kyouko is scum. He kept calling Nos town for no reason. I want kyouko's scummy head on a platter.

The fuck? He flipped town jackass.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin you've gone a bit too far in your crusades.

VOTE:

Jojo

Tywin Lannister

[Gamma Emerald]

How can't I argue that you're shit town and that I've not been on town wagons? They don't correlate, and the second is a fact. The first is just an opinion, but one that's been proven correct so far this game. I'd say you were scum if Cabd didn't investigate you. I didn't see his flip before, so I suppose that clears you. Due to that, it means you're shit town instead of scum.

Also, I told you all moz was town, but I'm not the Mason. Why didn't his Mason buddy defend him? Can anyone explain that to me? How idiotic is that? Wtf? Mason was the last thing I'd think moz would flip based on how many of you were on his wagon, without anyone actually defending him. That's just ridiculous.

I'll catch up when I get home and reevaluate, since I just read Kyouko isn't the lynch for some reason. I'll find out why later. He did defend Nos and claim he was town though, which I find odd.

I also want to check the end of D1 and see who was against the Nos wagon, which was the counter to Lapsa's. I'm willing to bet that someone pushed hard on Lapsa over Nos there, and that player is probably scum.

Also, gamma, lol! You're clearly scum, so I'm not worried. Lynch me and three town wagons won't look good for you bud. You aren't cleared like Titus.

I don't give a damn how bad I look. You are trying your hardest to take down Titus. Though here you say she's "cleared".
See the issue?

[Gamma Emerald]

Did I miss a hammer?

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Stop right there.
Scum doc heals nos.

*Detective Cole turning a glass bottle over in his hands* circumstantial

Is it a grape juice bottle?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why should I believe you to be town?

I haven't really been analyzing my play so I couldn't tell you.

[Gamma Emerald]

These are rather outdated but:
Alisae, Titus Town
Pine, gerry, Elbirn towny
Aj townish
Nero scummish
ssbm scummy
Sonia, Tywin scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Then get them dated. I don't want outdated reads.

I'm doing a system where I have 2 tabs: one for catching up with a larger amount of content and one for responding to things as I go.
This game is in the second section currently.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Tywin: why are you SRing me? I want ALL the reasons.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin has voted
Alisae, RVS
CK, confscum
Titus, def a wagon
Nos, confscum
Aj, def a wagon
ssbm, probs a wagon
Pine, maybe a wagon
That is six non-RVS votes though: definitely not all scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

He's been saying he never wagoned town.

[Gamma Emerald]

And that's very unlikely.

[Gamma Emerald]

Question: was Tywin calling Titus possible scum or not earlier this game day?
@Ali: I don't really count that tbh.

[Gamma Emerald]

Question: was Tywin calling Titus possible scum or not earlier this game day?
@Ali: I don't really count that tbh.

Yes, but recanted when told of Cabd flip. Yet he was aware of Nos flip.

tbh, Tywin feels like scum being coached.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people suggesting lynching Elbirn

[Gamma Emerald]

Question: was Tywin calling Titus possible scum or not earlier this game day?
@Ali: I don't really count that tbh.

Yes, but recanted when told of Cabd flip. Yet he was aware of Nos flip.

tbh, Tywin feels like scum being coached.

wtf how did you jump to that conclusion?

His strange turns of opinion.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

Scum Tywin self hammers instead of asking to self hammer.

Town should never self vote though. It's likely just a bid for towncred. He's bound to do it anyways so why not make himself look townier?

[Gamma Emerald]

He's posturing. As ssbm said, he didn't selfvote when he said he would. Not sure about the timing of the actual self vote timing tho.

[Gamma Emerald]

Question: was Tywin calling Titus possible scum or not earlier this game day?
@Ali: I don't really count that tbh.

Yes, but recanted when told of Cabd flip. Yet he was aware of Nos flip.

tbh, Tywin feels like scum being coached.

Explain, and why would I be coached in-thread if I was scum? How dumb are you? My scum buddies would coach in the scum thread. There is confirmed day talk, so I think you're badly reaching with nothing to grasp on to. It's kind of pathetic really.

Location is irrelevant. You are being coached.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sonia is my other SR. As for the SR if you flip town, ssbm most likely.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you stop fucking coaching scum AJ?

Explain a case on me before you call me scum. All this shit wagoning by you, gamma, etc without reasons needs to stop immediately. You've all had two chances to prove your shit method works, and it's been proven wrong twice. Time to play the game like you're supposed to if you're not scum.

What method?

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly, at this rate, you all have a better chance of winning by voting no lynch and letting Alisae carry town to victory. The brand new player has made better decisions than all of our town leaders combined after last night. I think that goes to show something here. The only confirmed player is Titus now, so if she wants me lynched, I should be the lynch. That being said, when I flip VC like I claimed on D1, you can all blame the town loss on her.

Nice AtE. Your flip is not the end of the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I L1? Hammering myself. Good luck! I said this all game and nobody listened.

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

not letting this nerd kill himself yet

But he should know he doesn't win a fight with you at this point.

I win the fight by being right. Getting me lynched only proves my point. Titus is a bad player this game. She isn't in others, so if she isn't scum, then she had an absolutely terrible showing as town. It's atrocious.

VOTE: Tywin

Somebody will hammer. Even if it isn't me. Peace

Tywin is scum. HE POSTED BETWEEN HIS ANNOUNCEMENT AND HIS SELFVOTE. No person who actually selfvoting out of frustration does that.
ssbm might be town for cockblocking the selfhammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Elbrin, I would like a whole readslust from you.

How about a reads *list* instead?
-----------------------

Town

Pine

Transcend Syryana

gerryoat
Alisae
Titus

Scum

Nero Cain
Tywin Lannister
Ssbm_Kyouko**

Uhhhh

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic
xSoniaNevermindx

------------------------------


So here's where I'm at, I'm done with Tywin's shit and the last bit of doubt in my heart was my belief that he was the mason partner. With that denied, he's a scum shit for sure.

Nero I'm probably being an over reactive baby towards but his vote thing yesterday pissed me off and he's done fuckall this game

Now Kyouko is kinda like "whaa" but look listen, what do we have for townready evidence? He openly speculated about masons? That sounded great when pine said it but now I'm kinda like...okay? Scum wants speculation about PR's to try to out them. We've got cloud hinting traitor towards kyouko, Kyouko hard townreading nos on *nothing*, scum-tywin mad distancing from him. Kyouko pointing out nos' fake doctor crumbs after his flip was like "look at what my scumbuddy did wow give me towncred" and it rubs me the wrong way.

I've kinda been sitting on this but yeah I don't trust Kyouko anymore and I want him tomorrow


Then my uhh list is like uhhh. Gamma and sonia I feel nothing for. I feel like sonia was town before for some reason but I don't remember why.

Gamma is gamma enjoy. There's like nothing there.

Aj I had as scummy for a few reasons but he's less so than those other 3 and at some point I started thinking of him less as scum and more as another collaborative voice.

Explain this, I want a fucking essay.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well Tywin if you're scum then I must be the last scum and we staged your fake selfhammering AtE

Did you read my ISO like you said you would before you mindlessly repeated the same accusation you had before? If you're scum it's with AJ or Sonia. If you're town Gamma is scum imo.

If I flip today it will be fine though because of the opportunistic nature of the votes on me.

Is this in response to me

[Gamma Emerald]

Now that I think about it, I think Gamma is scum. Why?

Can someone summarize the last ~25 pages plz?

Didn't catch it at the time because I didn't know Gamma as well, but this isn't town!Gamma.
Or doesn't feel like it atleast.

I have done that as both alignments.
Also note that I trucked along and read anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh hey gerry has been posting

[Gamma Emerald]

I have spurts of activity dude

[Gamma Emerald]

I might go for kyouko
But the reaction to tywin's threat looks towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you trying to use a kyouko association to talk me down from Tywin

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish there was an emote for the face I made when I posted that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you trying to use a kyouko association to talk me down from Tywin

Aren't you using Tywin association to talk us down from kyouko?

I can understand ssbm being scum with Tywin, but ssbm unvoted, I feel scum would have postured.

[Gamma Emerald]

Unless he was chainsawing Tywin because I thought Titus was town D1 by attacking me.

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M PUSHING?????

[Gamma Emerald]

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION DAMMIT

[Gamma Emerald]

cbhffhjnngf
I THINK YOU ARE TOWN SO PLEASE
DO YOU THINK I'M SAYING SSBM IS SCUM WITH TYWIN OR SSBM IS TOWN AND TYWIN IS SCUM

[Gamma Emerald]

UUUUUUGH
I WAS TOLD I HAVE TO WORK WITH OTHERS IF I WANT TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO VOTE WITH ME, AND YOU'RE NOT HELPING.

[Gamma Emerald]

WORK WITH ME JACKASS
I'M TRYING MY HARDEST NOT TO OMGUS ATTACK YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PLAYING HOW I EXPECT TOWN WOULD

[Gamma Emerald]

ugh
I fucking hate this AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
fgggghhhh

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL ur gif broke

[Gamma Emerald]

GRAAAAGH
LIKE SERIOUSLY
IF YOU WERE NOT A VIG I WOULD VOTE YOU HERE AND NOW.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. You've got your head stuck up your ass, no point trying with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

tbh why is picking up on crumbs in thread a reason to SR someone with scum daytalk

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae, what's your vig letter to Santa?

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Nero
Kyouko
Gamma

I approve of this. Wait til I flip, or don't take my opinion at all, but regardless, I agree with this list. Preferably Kyouko or gamma over Nero. I don't see much wrong with Nero compared to the others, and the fact that he was brought up by so many makes me suspicious regardless. With the reads 'town' has had all game, I think the opposite is always going to be the truth. Whoever is scum in 'towns' mind is actually town, and whoever is town in their mind is scum. That's my opinion.

This is just plain stupid
I sense the roots of discredits in this post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can anyone explain why Mozamis was lynched? Did anyone have a case? Elibrin switched to him without giving a reason (same as he is doing for me now and did for Lapsa as well). That doesn't look good for him. Gamma never gives reasons or cases.

I gave my case when I was pushing the lynch: contradictions and SK paranoia
Lie and discredit more, scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

Only scum seem to be doing that this game, so it doesn't help your case much.

Just because you think town is playing poorly doesn't make it so. So far we're 1 for 4 on hitting scum, and scum has made mistakes too by shooting cloud. We're really not doing badly imo, especially if Titus lives

No, there's no 'we' there. Don't take credit for things you had no part in.
ALISAE is 1 for 4. Absolutely nobody else is.

Technically scum is 1/4 too

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 3.5

ssbm_Kyouko 5 (xSoniaNevermindx, Alisae, Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
Aj The Epic 1 (ssbm_Kyouko)
Gamma Emerald 1 (Elbirn)

Not Voting 2 (Pine, gerryoat)

I'm with ssbm on this. Tywin and someone else on the ssbm wagon is probably the leftover scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh! What other roles can come up with a false positive that isn't third party? I couldn't come up with any, so town could be massively stacked. Remember Scum killed Cloud N1. Their Traitor (and their first mistake). It was in response to Mafia X-Shot Doc. And there's no reason not to heal Nos, Titus included Nos in their shots and I remember you suggesting it to me. The only possibility I might be able to consider is Mafia Odd-Night Doc.

And all of my scumreads were voting Tywin over night. See the problem here Titus?

As for Gamma's frustration, Tywin misrepresented things because he needs to #read.

Otherwise they are exactly similar.
We are flipping Kyouko.

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

@ssbm YOU CAN VOTE TYWIN AGAIN GODDAMMIT HE'S GOT 2 VOTES

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

Um...Yes. I do.

LOOOOL
YOU JUST CALLED TITUS SCUM THERE

[Gamma Emerald]

Either way I used one of your own tells against you.

Really, which one then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I'm arguing that
I'm saying Tywin is scum
I'm saying ssbm is town based on that
unless you refer to something else

[Gamma Emerald]

Because Tywin's dishonesty and discrediting is not town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can anyone explain why Mozamis was lynched? Did anyone have a case? Elibrin switched to him without giving a reason (same as he is doing for me now and did for Lapsa as well). That doesn't look good for him. Gamma never gives reasons or cases.

I gave my case when I was pushing the lynch: contradictions and SK paranoia
Lie and discredit more, scum.

I gave my case several times and yet he STILL says I have no case. He pulled THE EXACT SAME SHIT when saying Titus never asked him questions Day 1, fyi.

[Gamma Emerald]

IIRC after being pointed towards them he still ignored them
I would also like to note he used broken linka as a reason to scumread Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

Either way, I'm conflicted about Tywin. I'm not sure on him atm. I'm much more sure on Kyouko.

Issue is, Tywin's pushed himself into a level of WIFOM that's just harmful for the town at large.

I don't disagree here. AJ is right. I'm 'okay' with getting lynched. I knew it was inevitable since day 1. I didn't think I'd make it this far.

All I'm doing now is trying to give any information possible so that town can catch scum on Day 4 and (hopefully) past that. So after my flip, some players should be looked at for their role in my lynch, combined with their roles in the Lapsa and moz lynches. Three town lynches means people better have damn good reasons for it. If not, they've got to be considered probable scum until further notice.

Aside from that, I probably should be the lynch today. That doesn't excuse the early wagoners who didn't give reasons for their votes. A scum case on me absolutely should be given, regardless of the fact that I know I'm town. Voting me means you believe I'm scum, so give a case and put in the work to show WHY you believe that. People should never, ever be allowed to sheep wagons consistently and not be grilled for it.

If you REALLY wanted to give information for after your flip you wouldn't selfvote.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma should be tomorrow's lynch. He really is obvious scum.

Kyouko may be his partner. Gamma is the obvious one though. Pretty sure I've said this all game too, although I haven't gunned for him over others.

So tomorrow (or tonight), kill Gamma plz. He's so fucking obvious that it's as blatant as Moz was being a Townie. I couldn't for the life of me see why anyone would scrum read Moz. He was the most yownie player in the game by a fucking mile. His wagon was a joke of epic proportions. Gamma is blatantly scum in that same regard. I've forgotten he existed quite a few times with his bullshit no-content prod dodging, but he really does need to go.

Elibrin, I hope you learn how to scum read after I'm lynched. It's a learn 2 play issue, but I have faith in you.

I HAVE NEFVFER ONGCE PRID DIDGED YOU FCUKJING LIARF B DOEVSXCUM

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's note for all his talk I don't see Elbirn voting Tywin

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I find it funny that NOW you're trying to make Tywin look bad. It's like you know you're caught scum.
Hell I might even wagon your ass instead of Kyouko and shoot Kyouko.
Your chainsaw on Kyouko is fucking hilarious.

I apologize for not wasting a post to tell you I'M CATCHING UP.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I've been pushing Tywin ALL DAY 3.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kyouko, why have you ignored players like Gamma and defended obvious scum lurkers like Nos this entire game? Why go after Sonia when there are lurkers and useless players like gamma/pine playing? Why ignore those slots? Do you TR them? Just like nos?

Also, Don't down Alisae's judgement when she took out the only legitimate scum slot this game. You certainly didn't. The traitor slot isn't real scum in the same way as nos, and scum NK'd him.

Sonia was probably supposed to be implicated in the Cloud NK by scum. That was their plan I bet. Interesting how Kyouko brings her up again now that I'm hammered and old news. Cloud's NK implication didn't work due to him being the traitor, but scum didn't know that when they made the kill.

Don't sleep on Kyouko people. Gamma should go first though. I'm okay with either getting vig shot tonight though. Kyouko wanted desperately to find the traitor crumbs, not because he is town, but because his scum team wanted to avoid the NK there. That's why cloud wrote that post to Kyouko stating 'traitor will go to great lengths to crumb it to the scum team.' That was directed to Kyouko for a reason.

Kill him tonight if not gamma Alisae. Good luck!

I'll be pointing this out again after a Tywin scumflip fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait Tywin wagon is a thing still?
Lol
VOTE: SSBM

Yeaaah can someone tell me why I thought Sonia and Tywin couldn't be partners?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop

, vigilante, Masons.

1-shot gunsmith

.. Hmm... There may be a doctor there too, considering scum had a loved traitor and now a motion detector, which is a variance of watcher/tracker from what I can tell. With Lapsa and me being VT (not that I expect anyone to believe me until I flip), Titus cleared by Cabd, vigilante pretty much confirmed to be Alisae, and Mason most likely Syryana's replacement due to nobody defending Moz... A doc should help in Lylo if mass claim is needed.

Looking past all the confirmed/most likely confirmed players, the pool is this:

Me, Nero, Sonia, elibirn, kyouko, gamma, pine, AJ.

So basically confirmed players, unless Gerryoat confirms he isn't the other Mason is Alisae/Titus/gerryoats

With one 'real' scum and one traitor down, I'd say we have 2-3 more scum. 4 scum + 1 traitor seems to be overkill, so I'd call that the max. Most likely it's 3 scum + 1 traitor.

With traitor and Nos gone, 2 scum mean Lylo isn't until 5 players total left (assuming no scum lynch). If 3 scum, Lylo is 7 players. With 11 currently, town has at least two mislynches before Lylo I believe, assuming all NKs go off and town are lynched each day. Town may have three mislynches left if only two scum.

So regardless, lynching me today shouldn't hurt much, and assuming Alisae continues to get her kills off, town should be fine.

And since there are 3 confirmed, the scum pool of 2-3 players are within 8 slots. By process of elimination, we can go from towniest to scummiest and will most likely hit someone between a lynch/NK assuming things aren't completely out of hand with bad wagons. So my doom and gloom mindset isn't totally warranted I guess.

So 8 slots to find 2-3 scum. I know I'm not scum, and those who are town know they arent. That makes it 7 slots for 2-3 scum for each individual townie to sort. Based on reads, those are good odds. So if we take those 7 slots and do VCA on everyone, plus maybe ISO top suspects... That shouldn't be difficult. The real question is who will be around if it comes to Lylo? I DONT want to be around, because I'll be mislynched and game will be over. Due to that, I'd rather get lynched or NK'd before Lylo. I don't want to be the one who gets mislynched on Lylo.

Anyways, after looking at everyone, kyouko, gamma, pine are most suspect IMO, I've said this plenty before, but it's worth mentioning again.

Alisae, you 'should' be able to get off at least one more NK tonight, even if scum target you. You'll trade kills and that will be that, unless they have a roleblocker. If they did, they probably would've blocked you last night. Due to that, you may be the NK, but you'll have one more kill at least. I hope you use it either on me (just to remove mislynch opportunity and focuses the game back to real scum), or shoot gamma. Regardless, town can afford it, and less suspicious slots means a better chance to hit scum during the day.

For that reason, I think I have to advocate you NKing me. If I assume correctly that I will continue to be a mislynch target everyday, then me getting to Lylo would be disastrous for town. I really shouldn't be in Lylo, and I can't see scum NKing me due to the easy mislynch opportunity they get daily. I honestly want gamma killed, but if not him, removing me is probably a net positive for town. My flip removed a distraction and easy wagon from the game, and again... I can't make Lylo based on how this game has played out. All scum will need to do is keep Titus and Elibrin around, and I'd get their votes everyday from here on out. I think it would lose the game in Lylo.

But if you want to hit scum, gamma is my top pick. ISO and VCA him and tell me he looks town. I bet you can't.

Are you reading the game at all

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, of the alive, you -> Mason, Alisae -> Vig, Titus -> Conftown (Cabd)

That's the claims I think.

HE DIDN'T CLAIM MASON.
HOLY FUCK STFU, YOU COULD HAVE FORCED A MASON OUTING

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah okay, Alisae is basically saying that she's going to shoot anyone who is cautious about whether she's an SK or Vig. That means she ain't leashed at all. She'll go through the Town as she wants, until she gets rid of anyone who's a threat...to her.

We can lynch Tywin whenever we want. I'd like to shake this tree while we still have people with brains to do the shaking.

VOTE: Alisae

Okay this might be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

No. My VCA would want your flip. You're getting hyperdefensive.

Dueling wagons like you and Lapsa suggests one is scum. Do I know that? No.

This from the person who called my VCA theorycrafting

[Gamma Emerald]

I already pointed out that I don't have to live for town to win. I just hope town lynches gamma/pine/Kyouko after I'm gone, because aside from Kyouko, nobody seems to focus their attention on gamma/pine. That scares me at least, because in my biased opinion, they're the most obvious scum in this game. They won't even touch each other all game long. They won't mention each other, won't question them, SR them, or even TR them. They ignore each other like the plague. ISO them and find out for yourselves. Prove me wrong. Nos voting Alisae yesterday was a bad joke. Pine voting Alisae today is absolutely ridiculous play. Only scum look for an SK lynch over scum hunting. His post is SO obvious that I have to believe others have seen it. Titus coaching Pine over scum reading him is bad for town. Gerryoats calling Pine bad town over scum reading him is bad for town. You couldn't make this crap up if you tried. The guy is obvious scum here.

So again, if you're dead set on lynching me, fine.

Town can handle the loss of a VT

, but PLEASE look to kill Pine/Gamma/Kyouko after. It's so obvious to me. Why isn't it for others? I'm not sure what the hangup for everyone else is on voting scum. Stop calling them bad town and just admit they're likely scum already. Your reads in the past have all been wrong. Please listen to another opinion for once.

And Alisae, this isn't directed towards you. I know you pay attention. Nos is dead due to that. I'm speaking more to the other townies like Titus, Elibrin, etc.

This from the guy saying "blame Titus for town loss after I flip town".

[Gamma Emerald]

All things I see town!Tywin do.
Anything else?

Oh my fuck. If the real vig is hiding somewhere, please stand up. If we lose to scum fakeclaiming vigilante I will lose my mind. Alisae keeps playing in a way that suggests Tywin as a scumpartner.

[Gamma Emerald]

Liar is a bit of a stretch.
Let's just say he doesn't exactly read things carefully. A lot.

"Not reading" only goes so far. Ignoring my case on moz is on such transgression that cannot be explained by lack of reading.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the biggest reason why I thought Tywin could be scum is because he jumped on Sonia for the NK super early. But I don't remember seeing a vote to back that up.
And maybe calling me an SK for shooting Uzi but still

His behavoir moreso has to do with him as a player. It's survivalistic. At this point he's basicly lynch bait. I think he's even moreso self-aware lynchbait.
And Tywin doesn't drop things that easily even tho he's wrong. He's stubborn. He forgets somethings that may have happened, so he freaks out and calls them a liar.
And lastly if you SR read him he'll probably freak out and SR you too.
How can I put it, he's a Tsundere? maybe that's the right way to characterize him.

Survivalism isn't a town thing. And he isn't even being survivalistic, he's fatalistic now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae, Titus Town
ssbm, gerry, Elbirn towny
Pine townish
Nero scummish
Aj scummy
Sonia, Tywin scum

I think this is closer to my reads now

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm really tired of how blind Alisae is to Tywin's scumminess, and after voting him no less.
Alisae, stop playing like you got a red role PM.

[Gamma Emerald]

I will only support a lynch on kyouko if you honestly put Tywin in your vig pool.

[Gamma Emerald]

I figured someone would point that out

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted to be sure she wouldn't walk back on the possibility of vigging tywin

[Gamma Emerald]

ssbm feels a bit towny for blocking the self hammer: if I were to ignore that ssbm is scummy.
Sonia is for not picking up on the SK paranoia tell from mozamis and saying her SR can't read her.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae, this is not town play. Either you're playing wrong, you're SK, or you're scum and the real vig is off whereever

[Gamma Emerald]

OK, but all this lack of consideration for Titus just being lazy is disturbing.

[Gamma Emerald]

I trust her reasons for being lazy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I feel it is town motivated. I think she believes she has very solid reasons for her read and wants others to come to the same conclusion. Same thing I did with Sonia.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe. I'm not sure.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna talk to Sonia and Garry before that happens.
And I wanna leave this:

Dear Town,
I am likely to get NK'd today. So in the event I get NK'd do the following things
Gamma town flip: Consider everyone that's on the wagon as a lynch. I'll be shooting from the wagon. Sheep Titus, Garry,

and probably Sonia.

Gamma Scum flip: Scum Kyouko and Scum Pine need to be dealt with and maybe Scum Titus if it really comes down to that. I will be shooting either Kyouko or Pine.
Love, Alisae

PS. Titus could be scum odd night doc but it's very unlikely.

I leave the game in good hands.

No to the bolded.

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn't we discuss not giving such narrow vig pools?

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 1.3

Elbirn

6 (

Lil Uzi Vert

,

xSoniaNevermindx

, Aj The Epic

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Transcend

,

CloudKicker

)

Lapsa

5 (

Pine

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Titus

,

Alisae, Elbirn

)

Alisae

3 (

Nosferatu

,

Lapsa

,

Tywin Lannister

)

Gamma Emerald

1 (

Cabd

)

Not Voting 2 (

Nero Cain

,

mozamis

)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deciding to go back to this with our current flips and see if anything becomes apparent. I'll likely also do this with other VCs I feel are notable.
Looks like all the wagons are on town, with scum split between two of then.

[Gamma Emerald]

The super-dark red is flips: lighter reds are reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw, Pine / ssbm you can vote tywin again
LOL VC

[Gamma Emerald]

The VC came up as I made that post

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, but doing analysis without flips is horseshit. You're still assuming unproven shit. It's...not a logical fallacy, exactly, but it's kind of similar? Terminology is escaping me at 3 AM. Hence why I called it horseshit.

Basically, I'm seeing if there's any glaring errors is my reads via looking at VCs

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is going with the 6-man scum team theory. A rather risky ploy, we'll see if it pays off.

No I'm not

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's note that reads do not equal actual thoughts on alignment distribution

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus, come back to voting Tywin

[Gamma Emerald]

I TOLD YOU ALI
TYWIN GOES IN THE VIG POOL IF HE IS NOT LYNCHED TODAY

[Gamma Emerald]

I said I'd be okay with a ssbm lynch, not that I'd vote

[Gamma Emerald]

So?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ali

[Gamma Emerald]

dafuq?
How do you know that?

[Gamma Emerald]

oh

[Gamma Emerald]

I pretty much narrowed it down to Kyouko and Gamma.
Looking at Cloudie's ISO actually helped me do that XD

Oh my god can you shut the fuck up. To me it looks like you're confbiasing.

[Gamma Emerald]

To take your words:
I can WIFOM this all fucking day.

[Gamma Emerald]

where did nero selfvote

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm just supposed to give up my reads entirely? I can see it but I think it's Tywin/Sonia atm

[Gamma Emerald]

Not that straightforward
Scum don't always take the obvious route

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm staying on Gamma's wagon. He's the best lynch today IMO. I wouldn't doubt a Kyouko/Gamma scum team, but I'd rather flip the obvious one first. If gamma flips scum like I strongly suspect he will, then Kyouko is next. I'll switch to Kyouko if i don't have a choice, but then I'd just lynch gamma if Kyouko flips scum, so it really doesn't change much. I do think gamma is the most obvious scum in the game though. Gerry and Sonia should weigh in when they come back. I know Sonia wants Kyouko, but I wanna hear her thoughts on gamma, and Gerry wanted to extend the day for talk, but he's largely been MIA as well.

And...Speak of the devil. Here he is. Gerry, can we lynch gamma and then if he doesn't flip scum, shoot me? Thanks

I think we lynch Tywin. Look at how comfy he is with getting shot. He is probably scum with some method of protection.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd still like Sonia to get back here first.

tbh I think Sonia has stated her mind already

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI, I get NK'd.
Gamma flip scum = Pine or Kyouko shot. Lynch the other. Preferibly Kyouko
Gamma flip town = Tywin gon git rekt

I keep telling you not to do this. Pine is town and Kyouko is probably too.

Gamma
Aj
Tywin

^ there's your dead pool

tbh I like this most
Also Deadpool ftw

[Gamma Emerald]

On the plane home Tyson is never getting lynched giving the or flips I thin scum doc is a likely thing so I'm ignoring Titus for now
This needs death right fucking now
VOTE: Gamma
I've already said before the reason cloud interacted with me early is because we are close friends cloud also has no reason to buddy my ads as hard as he did
God I fucking hate flying

Traitor. iirc House tried buddying his scummates as traitor in Family Mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where am I at for lynching? Tywin is saying I should claim so it's quite pertinent.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm VT.

[Gamma Emerald]

what

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Jesus. It's not X-mas anymore.

This post offends me and I don't know why.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Jesus. It's not X-mas anymore.

If my x-mas lights are still up its still x-mas

Wow Jesus. hanukkah lasts for 8 days how many days does fuckin X-mas last for you?

12 obviously

[Gamma Emerald]

No.
There's still a shot I won't be the lynch. I'm not going to throw away my life.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now that I think about it even more, Elbrin has been added to my lynch/shoot pool.

Which group?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean the me group or the tywin group

[Gamma Emerald]

No, we're lynching Tywin.