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I'm so sorry that you drew scum, fery. Best we get this over with quickly. VOTE: fferyllt
implosion wrote:if it does not include both 1 and 2, then the answer is a flat-out "no." If it does include 1 and 2, then you can explain those reasons, and then we'll decide if it's a good idea.
You could have just stopped at "no".
In post 31, fferyllt wrote:I've been thinking about that newbie game. I assume pjo gambits no matter what alignment he is.
He's your scumbuddy, isn't he.
In post 33, Whimsical Eggplant wrote:I feel that Tammy is trying to feign content by discussing game mechanics/merely commenting instead of scumhunting.
The timing of this scumhunting is most suspicious.
Scum: fery, Pjo, Tammy
I think finding three scum before the end of Page 2 is some kind of record for me
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In post 36, Syryana wrote:I'm so sorry that you drew scum, fery. Best we get this over with quickly.
VOTE: fferyllt
damn you're good.
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Post #41 (isolation #2) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:55 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 37, Zdenek wrote:Syryana, what do you think of Whimsy? Why are you voting ffrey?
1)I want to see his response on why he has a Matt townread. His point about Tammy is good.
2)Reaction trolling, naturally.
VOTE: Tammy
Pedit: Oho! A fight! Let's dance, Tammy-o!
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Post #43 (isolation #3) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:59 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 40, Tammy wrote:Cool. Why is it suspicious. And I'll totally admit to it being suspicious, if you can point to where I was posting at this site in the meantime and then hopped to it to do some scumhunting because I was called out. And if you really think someone saying I'm not scumhunting on page two of a mafia game makes me get all skittish and run to scumhunt, you clearly don't know how I think as scum.
Why don't you ask me why I'm finding the Matt town reads suspicious? Show me you're actually interested in determining my alignment.
It's completely irrelevant whether you were posting elsewhere on the site. The point is, Whimsy-boy over there calls you out for not scumhunting, then you make a post yelling at him, and two minutes later you start scumhunting.
I already know why you find the Matt townreads suspicious. And I've already figured out your alignment
Pedit: And more self-meta! This is glorious!
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In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
Pedit: I HAVE LACED LE FLOOR WITH MINES, IN THEM YOU SHALL STEP
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
In post 70, Tammy wrote:Hey Syryana - I have some grading to do. What you should do is call me out for something. I'll come back in like 20 minutes and hop to it to get it done.
Nah, you're town.
MattP wrote:VOTE: fferylit
He should be at L-2 right now for lying. If ffery doesn't want to change his story I can go on
I'm good with this. VOTE: fferyllt
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Post #79 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:43 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 78, Katsuki wrote:Until then I'll probably just lurk y'all boring.
I'M NOT BORING HOW DARE YOU
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Post #93 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:00 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 84, enomis wrote:Whimsical Eggplant scum = you scum.
This sentence:
Agreed with mattp(town read) that releasing flavor is a bad idea.
Where else could he get that you said releasing flavour is a bad idea?
Well there's a possibility that he's just making up something for a town read on you but i think the first is a higher possibility.
This is amazingness on a scale I've never seen before. I daresay it even verges on awesomeness.
VOTE: Whimsical
Tierce wrote:
MattP
never said releasing flavor is a bad idea
in this thread
.
Zdenek and Tammy are Town. I want to say Syryana is Town too, though the complaint about people using self-meta is silly. Then he goes and posts Post 56 and I forgive everything.
Never ever stop being so obvtown Tierce <3
Oversoul wrote:Oh shit are you guys actually lovers with a qt
Zzz
No.
Now vote Whimsical.
Pedit: Zdenek. Why would scum want to push something obviously scum? That would be the height of dumbfuckery; "HAY GAIZ THERE'S A ROLE OUT THERE THAT DOES GOOD THINGS FOR SCUM LET'S ALL OUT OUR FLAVOR INFO SO IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE SCUM TO FIND IT" So I ask you; why would scum
not
think releasing flavor information is a bad idea?
Pedit2: Yep, Matt is scum too. This game gonna be EZ
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In post 93, Syryana wrote:Pedit2: Yep, Matt is scum too. This game gonna be EZ
You're very bad at this
I suggest you replace out and let Amrun take your spot
Doesn't it burn you in your soul to be caught by someone so terrible
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Post #99 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:21 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 98, MattP wrote:1) Im happy you're townreading people but don't set a precedent for stupidity, syryana respects you a lot and if you keep doing that he may start making reads lists
Reads lists!
Town: Tammy, Tierce, Enomis
Probably Town: Zdenek
Not Town: Eggplant, Matt, fery, Pjo
No clue: Errbody else
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A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
What do you think of Mattp and the slip from Whimsical that Enomis pointed out?
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Post #117 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:55 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 110, fferyllt wrote:I like your town list. I'd add mrbungle to the probtown.
withholding judgement on Pjo.
And you're town.
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Post #118 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:56 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 112, Pjovek wrote:This is a bad post and you should feel bad.
Why are people not allowed to hunt scum after you tell them they are not hunting scum?
And when are they supposed to start?
There is mafia motivation in these words.
Indeed.
Mafia would really love people who are not contributing to continue doing so.
Indeed, if mafia are able to paint scum motivation on people FOR starting to contribute (even if it's just a lil' dash of it), that would be a good thing.
I'm taking both my eyes. And I'm watching the shit out of you, brother.
Yeah.
Even when you're under the shower, yeah.
You're missing the point of the post.
Feel free to watch me in the shower though, my viewer count has been dropping lately!
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Post #119 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:56 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 114, Tierce wrote:Pushing for a massclaim D1 is a specific situation that has nothing to do with Pjovek's behavior so far. Why are you trying to pin someone else's meta and somegame else's situation on him?
Excellent point. VOTE: Zachrulez
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Post #120 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:58 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 116, Pjovek wrote:Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.
What if the scum are looking for a specific flavor name/type? Then a flavor claim will guide them straight to it.
What do you think the benefit to town is for flavor claiming? What do you personally get out of it?
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Post #121 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:59 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 111, implosion wrote:I'm going to assume syryana is town for a while, because i want him to be.
On an unrelated note because I'm curious, why do you want me to be town?
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Post #125 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:09 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 123, Pjovek wrote:I don't know, why don't you tell me what flavor scum is actually looking for? :3
Chocolate Vanilla Swirl Cupcake Maker Pokemon
Pjovek wrote:On one side, we got the fabricated looking townread on MattP
On the other side, we got the "scumslip"
These contradict each other in conclusion, since, assuming Eggplant flips scum, the fabricated townread on Matt would mean Matt being town, while the slip would obviously mean he talked with Matt in the scumQT, making matt scum.
Scum slips by mentioning something from QT
Scum fabricates townread on partner
I don't see the problem
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In post 147, Zdenek wrote:I think Zach's points against pjo are legit. I also believe that scum will push anti-town plans, and that's not a meta-thing, just a scummy thing. On the other hand, I'd expect scum-pjo to have pushed it with more of a singular focus, rather than also making a made up reads list at the same time. It's more gambitty things than I'd expect from scum at one time. I should point out that I don't like pjo's overtly "logical" post discrediting the reasons behind the Whimsical Eggplant votes - it's just too incorrect.
Zach's stance on Pjovek is not the problem. The way Zach is pushing that stance is the problem. Will explain shortly.
In post 149, Katsuki wrote:Don't really care to state my thoughts on matt. Not to you at least.
Are you one of those people?
In post 152, implosion wrote:it makes things a little simpler i guess? idk really. Also you should stop spamming :\. Quintupleposts shouldn't be a thing.
You should probably never join a game with buldermar in it.
In post 175, enomis wrote:Then why switch wagon? Give me a legit reason why you think Zach wagon is better.
My reason for being on the Whimsywagon was primarily due to the scumslip. It's fairly obvious at this point that wagon is going precisely nowhere (particularly given Whimsy hasn't been seen since that slip post) and I like the Zach wagon for a couple of reasons. The problem with Zach is not what he's saying against Pjovek's flavor claim; I 100% agree that flavor claim is a terrible idea. However, look how Zach pushes the idea; he links a game where scum got away with pushing mass claim on Day 1 without giving reasons and claims that's sufficient reason to lynch Pjovek (as Pjo has not given reasons either). He makes no attempt to ask Pjo what his reasons are and the game he linked has little to do with the situation at hand; the mechanics are entirely different, pushing flavor claim is different from pushing massclaim, etc. I believe Tierce has already gone over this. In the meantime, Zach
still
has not tried to scumhunt, figure out Pjo's reasoning for pushing flavor claim, has not looked for any suspects other than Pjo. He's being very lazy and his method for pushing his scumread on Pjo frankly sucks. Now, I've never played with Zach before (he was my mod in Micro 134, <3), but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.
Pedit: Hey Pjo, I can guarantee you voting sword is not going to make him talk to you any faster.
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Post #288 (isolation #20) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:00 am
Postby Syryana »
Mod, I will be LA until tomorrow.
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Post #521 (isolation #21) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:01 pm
Postby Syryana »
Catching up tomorrow.
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Post #562 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:54 am
Postby Syryana »
Whats up guys
Someone tell me what's going on
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In post 573, Zachrulez wrote:What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?
It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.
So you're unkillable unless you target someone that targets you for death?
That's.... pretty fuckin OP.
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Post #637 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:40 am
Postby Syryana »
I'm not voting Antagon.
Fery, where the hell are you at? I see you skulking round here. Come talk to me about your current reads.
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A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
I'm kinda concerned about hp_leaves and SoO after rereading last night.
I had forgotten why I thought Oversoul was town, but rereading, I feel pretty good about him being town.
zachrules has posted quite a bit. I can't decide if I just disagree with him frequently or he's coming to the game with a different motivation.
I agree; I don't like sword either. Why hp leaves? Didn't he replace bungle (who you had a townread on)? What are you trying to say about zach (like, do you think he's scummy, null, what don't you like about him)?
In post 579, Antagon wrote:
But in a game where the death of one role makes it Night for the rest of the game...
@oversoul: What you want me to say about this? Probably he mistook it that death of the apocalypse role would make it night for the rest of the day? Well, both scum and town would make a mistake with this. I don't see the point of you bringing up this post.
I thought he was claiming that he was the guy that starts Apocalypse if killed. Am I misreading?
TAMMY
Come dance with me some more
It can be on a dancefloor not laced with mines this time
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Post #649 (isolation #26) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:08 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 642, enomis wrote:@syrana: I think he meant since the apocalypse role make it forever night if the role died, therefore, town should have a fking OP role. If not, scum would just win.
I don't think we should lynch him. His role if true is pretty powerful and I think there are better candidates out there atm (sword of omens and fferyllt particularly, but many of my reads are stale which I'm attempting to fix). I'll give you a more detailed answer after some ISOs.
In post 645, fferyllt wrote:Even though he didn't give a reason, the timing of mrbungle's 2nd vote on me fit and even sort of anticipated later reactions.
I don't see this at all.
In post 645, fferyllt wrote:hp leave's unvote is equally unreasoned, and he's not interacted at all with other players and just focused (shallowly imo) on two of the current main issues: MattP and Antagon.
Upon ISO skim of hp, his unvote was when he replaced in. Why should he give reasons for unvoting from whatever his predecessor was doing? Why does that make him scummy?
The point about hp being shallow and only focusing on mattp/antagon isn't bad, but hp's thought process is pretty clear IMO. From what I've seen of scumHP (and don't ask me to elaborate, I can't), hp doesn't have a clear thought process as scum.
I just woke up and haven't stretched yet. Something slow? Like a waltz?
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Post #661 (isolation #27) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:35 am
Postby Syryana »
VOTE: fferyllt
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Post #665 (isolation #28) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:55 am
Postby Syryana »
Indeed. And now I've seen your scumgame again.
Matt, the explanation must wait. The dinner bell is ringing and I must heed its clarion call.
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Post #729 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:24 am
Postby Syryana »
/inb4viprodsmeagain
Just got back from long drive, catchup/cases/stuff to come
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Post #732 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:57 pm
Postby Syryana »
Catching up in this game will have to wait until tomorrow, blinding headache
I know I promised cases and shit, but I could barely read page 25, this ain't fucking happening right now
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Post #808 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:39 pm
Postby Syryana »
Okay
*cracks knuckles*
Catchup and case time
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Post #814 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:15 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 710, Zdenek wrote:I think Syryana would be a pretty solid lynch.
His early game was really chaotic. He starts off attacking Tammy, pjo and ffreyllt. I think his let's fight Tammy-o post is over-the-top, and his read on Tammy flips between 66 and 77 for essentially no reason. He votes ffreyllt as he agrees with MattP that ffreyllt was lying, but it's not clear that ffreyllt was lying or that Syryana actually thought that ffreyllt was lying.
Zdenek. You were in that Nightless. You're also the only one here with a completed game with SyrScum (except Matt, but we kilt the shit out of him after a half Day so he doesn't count). Does what you wrote here match your experience with SyrScum?
Furthermore, it should be patently obvious that most of my early posting was reaction testing. E.g. the "Tammy flip" was a result of me aggro'ing the shit out of her and deciding her reactions were sufficient for a townread.
In post 710, Zdenek wrote:He pushes Eggplant, Matt, fery, Pjo as scum, then he turns around and votes Zach because of how Zach was pushing pjo. Since he had pjo as a scum read, he should have understood what Zach was getting at.
I knew what Zach was getting at. I didn't like the way Zach was pushing it. I have explained this already.
In post 710, Zdenek wrote:ffreyllt says that she thinks that pjo is town, and Syryana questions her read - but Syryana thought that ffrey was scum and his scum read Zach was voting pjo, so the fact that he asked this at that moment feels wrong. I'd feel better if he passed some sort of judgement about what was happening.
My read on fery has been evolving since I accused her of being scum in my first post (or was it the second? idk). The question was a step in that evolution.
In post 710, Zdenek wrote:He then writes a long paragraph explaining his votes: He was on the Whimsy wagon because of the scumslip (personally I don't think that it's reasonable to call it a scum-slip, so the fact that he does reads badly to be, but that's probably neither here nor there). In the rest of the post, I think he over justifies his Zach vote - accuses him of not scum-hunting, uses burden of proficiency, and tops it off by saying that he is sheeping Tierce.
Zach wasn't scumhunting. Burden of proficiency is not what I was accusing Zach of. Sheeping Tierce wins games, at least when Tierce is town.
Zdenek, that post
reeked
. Lots of IIoA, complete disregard for my scum meta.
In post 719, Zdenek wrote:So Antigon has posted 7 times since I asked him how he would flip and if his ability has a name. He's not responded. So he's moved into the if-we-don't-lynch-him-we're-idiots zone.
There's a decent chance of Tierce being scum with him. She didn't think that the slot was scum, defended it aggressively, and seemed to prefer the lynches of both MattP and ffreyllt when she requested a claim from the slot. So it reads like "hey, buddy with a good claim that could save you, I want to make sure that you get a chance to make it and I want to make sure that I get a chance to voice suspicion of you."
Does this mean an Antigon townflip would disintegrate your Tierce scumread?
p-edit I'm kinda waiting around for the upcoming conclave about my scummitude before I vote again. I don't intend to help end the day before that happens. I especially want to see what Syr has to say.
Why do you care? If you're town, you ought to be lynching scumreads, my opinion of you be damned.
In post 725, Zachrulez wrote:I'm liking Antagon even less now that he hasn't really done any real scumhunting since his claim. He left an indicator that he would be able to provide more content over the weekend but aside from talking about his claim... nothing.
Not really sure what I think of Matt now at this point.
Unvote: Vote: Hp [leaves]
On iso I don't like him... or his predecessor at all.
I'd be pretty happy with this day if it ended with an Antagon, Hp, or Amrun (If she doesn't come through with any content.) lynch.
I read the first line
then I read the second
Then I saw the vote
and my head exploded
Help me understand this, Zach. Why, if Antigon has given you nothing and you believe him scummier for it, are you changing your vote? What makes hp[leaves] a worthier lynch than Antigon?
In post 753, Tammy wrote:I'm leaning town on ffery. I think that it's gone beyond anyone really scum reading her, but in reading through her games she's really slow and deliberate like this. I also don't think she reacts to a vote or two the way that some people do...don't think she's the type to easily rile up. In a couple of her scum games, she either didn't really focus on the game that in depth or aggressively pushed in a way that was superficial. So, I think the slow, cautious way of her giving reads is more her town play. I've been putting that off long enough and now it's been nearly a week since I read those games so I can't remember particulars.
This isn't why fery is scum. I'll explain why she's scum in my next post.
In post 786, Amrun wrote:hp's lashing out without taking into account context is not attractive.
In post 730, enomis wrote:@soo: thats just sarcastic comment on pjovek's it is funny how you harped on it so much. Because so many people said they will post something useful and end up not posting anything. Thus, he tried to be sarcastic and put you in that group of people
One post, I could understand, maybe…but he kept on going trying to build it into something it wasn’t, and tried to justify it as a PL…
I don’t see that as just being sarcastic…
Anyway with the timer dropping down and time running out, I can see my vote is going nowhere….
UNVOTE:
Looking at viable options:
Antagon- Egg’s intro was odd..and Antagon’s claim seems convoluted, yet believeable…normally I’d prefer to wait on lynching him…
I will say that I didn’t care for his last post though:
In post 791, Antagon wrote:Now that pjovek/Amrun made logical, valid points, I'm left with only one scumread.
VOTE: hp
What logical posts? Amrun has only 2 posts that could be considered content…#758 and #786, and I don’t see how any of those would be considered insightfully logical and valid …Can you please tell me where exactly you changed your mind on Pjo/Amrun?
HP[leaves] - the Bungle I played with as town was much more active and aggressive than he was here…Him and I went at it in DBZ Mafia We were both town in that game, but in that one he posted with actual thought content …whereas here, he did nothing but one-line posts, and flip/flopped on Fferyl for no real reason at all, which is a complete opposite of that… Fferyl was also in that game..This is also why I was concerned with her giving Bungle a town read so early… His play here doesn’t reflect that at all…hp[leaves] hadn’t done much to alleviate the concerns that I have for that slot…He votes Antagon, while saying Matt should be next…and then later follows up with “we can chase after SoO next”.
I’d prefer to lynch hp[leaves], as I am willing to wait on Antagon on the off-chance that he’s town (although I’d still like him to answer my question)
VOTE: hp[leaves]
I feel significantly better about you now.
I was in the process of making a reads-list, when I realized that two of the four in my scum pile are the main wagons right now. Two wagons on scum doesn't feel right to me for some reason. Must reevaluate. Anyroad, fery case inc.
Pedit: Amrun, did you read the conversation between me and Tammy before that "softclaim"? Because it's pretty apparent the "softclaim" is nothing of the sort(see my comment about lacing dance floors with mines) and the "SERIAL KILLER" was intended as a joke.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
In post 814, Syryana wrote:Why do you care? If you're town, you ought to be lynching scumreads, my opinion of you be damned.
I care because my townread of you has gone stale and I'm trying to figure out if your misread of me is genuine or not.
Fair enough
That case on you will have to wait until morn, I'm fucking dead
I apologize to the lot of you for taking so long, vacation and sickness did not figure into my mafia schedule >.<
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #853 (isolation #34) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:49 pm
Postby Syryana »
I'm not really sure what universe you people are living in. Antagon flipped town, not scum.
Tierce wrote:That stands for you and for the missing Oversoul "pocket scumread on Tierce omg" read that has been eaten by tigers. You're probably both Town and it's so sad to see that you're utterly incapable of reading me when I'm Town. :hitoshrug:
Now excuse me, I have to go be a Jade
again
.
Tierce, you worry me. Who are your current main suspects?
I will present that long overdue case I owe you lot by night's end.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
Poo knew fully well how cruel destiny could be. He was prepared for this; he had trained his whole life to best the rigors of mortality and become a monk capable of saving the world.
But he never knew how to communicate with people outside Dalaam, and so he was helpless to save himself when he was shoveled up by an angry mob and pitched over the cliff of the floating island.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #862 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:12 pm
Postby Syryana »
Huh. I thought it was a flip indicative of his apocalyptic status. E.g. Poo dies, rises as the harbinger of the apocalypse. Especially considering we're in apocalyptic phase now.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #895 (isolation #38) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:38 pm
Postby Syryana »
Okay, fferyllt case. Long you have waited, and I shall deliver!
Here's what I know about fery. She is, first and foremost, a trajectory girl. She doesn't explicitly townhunt or scumhunt; she watches people for how they react, how they get certain reads. For example, her analysis of Zach in #651 is an excellent example of how she hunts for reads; checks to make sure reads/votes/etc. match up with what the slots have been saying in previous posts. Long story short, she examines everyone's thought processes and makes sure they line up with what they normally do as town/scum (or barring a baseline with meta/experience/whatever, what she thinks they normally do as town/scum).
Now, given a brief understanding of how (as I see it) fery works as a player, here are the reasons I think she's scum:
Buddying/Appeasing the hell out of me
Her reads themselves have very little trajectory
She hasn't been scumhunting, the scumhunting she's done has been very superficial (key point here, fery is one of the least superficial people I know)
Fluffy content (highlights of which being scum theatre with Mattp)
Point numero uno: Buddying/appeasing the hell out of me. Here be some examples:
In post 98, MattP wrote:1) Im happy you're townreading people but don't set a precedent for stupidity, syryana respects you a lot and if you keep doing that he may start making reads lists
Reads lists!
Town: Tammy, Tierce, Enomis
Probably Town: Zdenek
Not Town: Eggplant, Matt, fery, Pjo
No clue: Errbody else
I like your town list. I'd add mrbungle to the probtown.
withholding judgement on Pjo.
And you're town.
This is a combination of buddying/appeasement/superficial. She grabs my reads list, calls it good (at least for the townreads), adds mrbungle to the town pile and calls me town almost as an afterthought. Not only is there a complete lack of any explanation of any of those reads (see: superficial, more detail in the section designated such), she's buddying me by saying she "likes my town list" and appeasing by calling me town at the end there.
In post 315, fferyllt wrote:Syr looks town to me. Of his town reads, I feel like I have enough read of my own to agree that you are town and I'm trusting that he can townread the others.
This one's even worse. We've played together before and are hydraing currently, but I can't recall doing anything that would garner
this
much respect. She's essentially calling me town because my town list matches her town list closely enough for her to just assume I'm town. Yeah, no. "Your reads match mine therefore you're town" is sloppy and superficial as fuck, two things our dear fery is not. This is more buddying.
In post 349, fferyllt wrote:Him. I have a pretty detailed baseline at this point after playing 3 completed games...maybe more, I could be forgetting a game or two, and reading a few games on meta dives. We've also discussed a lot of mafia theory and approach while planning to play some games as a hydra. I am not absolutely certain I'd spot his scum game. But, I feel like this game so far is so well within the space of that baseline that I'm ok calling him town for now.
I'm not shy about changing my reads on people. If I change my mind, you'll know.
This is quoted here for a couple of reasons. First, you'll note she's defending her townread of me thanks to the three completed town games she has with me (BSG, Buzzword, Donner Party for reference) as well as discussions we had whilst hydraing. And yet look at her posts. Nowhere does she ever even hint at thinking I'm anything but town (she mentions her read on me is stale, but that's the closest she gets). No paranoia of me, no nothing. I've told her straight up in hydra convos that I like playing scum and take pride in my scumgame. In the three baseline games she played with me, in BSG her townread on me didn't come until much later. In Donner Party it came early, largely because of a fracas I stirred up regarding one of the other players and she justified her read fairly well. In Buzzword, she got a super quick townread on me thanks to an early miller claim by me and my reaction to a miller counterclaim shortly thereafter (that was a hilarious game, you all should go read it sometime).
Where's the catalyst for the townread on me this game? She's been asked multiple times why she thinks I'm town. She keeps dodging the question, until (and I know this post is out of order with the prior; the explanation makes more sense that way):
In post 326, fferyllt wrote:Syr's one of the lynchpins in my reads atm. I've played several games with him, though all have been town games, and I've seen a fairly wide range of town-Syr behaviors in the various games. From meta, I know that his scum game is not easy to spot, and it's possible I'm missing it here, but I kinda doubt it. For now I'm considering him town. Nacho seems to be influencing his game, and I think I am seeing some of that influence in his play this time - specifically the tempo of his dance with Tammy and his conclusion that she's town.
Well now. On the surface this seems to be a pretty reasonable explanation of why she thinks I'm town. Let's dig a bit though, and apply fery's alignment hunting process to it.
Reasons Syr is town: 1) I (fery) have played several town games with him and this seems like his town game
2) His dance with Tammy and consequent townread on her seems town
For the former, I have already more or less explained that my play here is not really indicative of my completed games with her. By her initial townread on me (#110) all I had done was flop around, trolling the shit out of everybody and flipflopping my vote all over the place. There was that unexplained reads list I threw out there too. Go compare my first dozen or so posts in the three town games she's been in with me to this one; you'll see why I think her townread on me is full of buddying and poo.
Now the latter point: the dance with Tammy. Fery claims that the tempo of our dance shows some of Nacho's influence and that my conclusion of Tammy-town also means I'm town. First off, the whole "Nacho's influence" thing is a load of crock. She doesn't bother analysing why I was trolling, but chalks it up to "eh, seems like Nacho's influence". Minus points for laziness, minus points for bullshit. Let's remember: fery's a trajectory girl. How did my read of Tammy go? Something like this is what you all saw:
Trajectory girl doesn't call me on that? Hell no. Several other people called me on that. Why is trajectory girl missing it? Cause she's buddying me, that's why. I'll get to why she's buddying me in a bit.
In post 645, fferyllt wrote:hp leave's unvote is equally unreasoned, and he's not interacted at all with other players and just focused (shallowly imo) on two of the current main issues: MattP and Antagon.
Upon ISO skim of hp, his unvote was when he replaced in. Why should he give reasons for unvoting from whatever his predecessor was doing? Why does that make him scummy?
It was a vote on one of the also-ran wagons. If the vote had been on the leading wagon, my first act as a replacement would have been to unvote if for no other reason than to ensure could catch up.
The point about hp being shallow and only focusing on mattp/antagon isn't bad, but hp's thought process is pretty clear IMO. From what I've seen of scumHP (and don't ask me to elaborate, I can't), hp doesn't have a clear thought process as scum.
Ok, good to know.
You'll be seeing this post again in a later part of this case, but I'm putting it here largely because she's doing the whole "Syry's word is law" thing again. She bleats some nonsense about hp [leaves], I contradict her, and she just accepts it. Lolwut? No questions, no "but Syr, what about this and this and this?" (pretend there are post links in lieu of "this"). She just kinda gives up on the read, like she's walking on eggshells around me.
Pretending to care about my case in the hopes of appeasing me further. In her shoes, if I had someone that called me scum and kept putting it off and putting it off (how many times did I promise this before I did it?), I'd be all over their ass. She would be too. However, in this case she's just passively waiting. And waiting. And waiting. It's reactive (her scumgame), and she still doesn't want to get on my bad side.
The crowning glory of the buddying. We've discussed in multiple instances on types of towntells and fery knows full well I'm capable of faking such things (not faked in this instance, but nobody on this playerlist should be assuming that anyways). Instead of the proper reaction(are you for real dude?, see Zdenek, or even some kind of questioning as to what the fuck is going on in my head), we instead have:
I've tried writing this paragraph about why fery's buddying of me is scummy three times now, and I keep devolving into WIFOM. So I'm just going to say this: it is a plain fact she's buddying me and it makes me paranoid and distrustful of her.
Movin onward!
Fluff and stuff. Many of fery's posts are fluff inserted to provide the illusion of activity. Come, let me show you why...
Spoiler: Dandelions and Drama
In post 171, fferyllt wrote:Something happened between those two vote counts. 4% battery drain.
2. Battery-Powered Deadlines. Deadlines in this game (outside Apocalypse) are measured via a meter that starts at 100% and counts down each real-time day by a varying amount. The amount is based on true activity. If the meter reaches 0%, the Day immediately ends.
So 4% seems like not very much at all. I wonder if "true activity" means the battery drains faster or slower.
In post 293, enomis wrote:I am getting the feeling that whimsical would be replaced and we can't question him further on his post. Hurray!
Yep. And if it was just an unfortunate misread or something on whimsical eggplant's part, that's probably an overall plus. If not, the slot will at least be under scrutiny.
Scrutiny from other people anyways.
In post 308, fferyllt wrote:I hope you'll take my reads into account when I eventually flip. There are a lot of players I am unfamiliar with in this game. The ones I know, my reads may be useful to town.
In post 309, Zachrulez wrote:So do you think my read of pjovek is wrong? I'm not really sure what you think about anyone else in the game other than whimsey and that's why I don't have a good feeling about you.
Then, I guess you haven't iso'd me. I agreed with the town part of Syr's first readslist. I added mrbungle and pjovik to probtown.
Good scum reads usually take time for me to develop unless someone I have a lot of meta on draws a scum role.
I feel like my bandwagon is probably mostly town-driven atm.
Completely ignores zach's challenge on her pjovek read. Diverts by talking about her slow buildup and pulls bandwagon stuff out her ass.
In post 313, fferyllt wrote:I'm quite interested in the votes and am avidly watching how my wagon develops.
And yet you're not talking to anyone on the wagon?
Anyways, you all get the idea. Now for the fun part: scum theatre!
In post 396, fferyllt wrote:Hey I just want to point out that we had a slow-ass posting day and our battery drained further than any other day so far.
So stfu about spam.
Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?
1) Literally doesn't make any sense logically
2) Is fence sitting since he's not voting me
3) Is an opinion phrased as a question towards the audience to feign scumhunting and further push a mislynch
pedit: ???
In post 401, MattP wrote:Oh I'm sorry I thought I was voting you
In post 396, fferyllt wrote:Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?
I was ON Whimsical Eggplant when I did this, your logic insinuates that I was trying to absorb the lynch on my scumbuddy who I was voting to protect a PR
In post 396, fferyllt wrote:Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?
I was ON Whimsical Eggplant when I did this, your logic insinuates that I was trying to absorb the lynch on my scumbuddy who I was voting to protect a PR
So I just want to get your theory straight for the books
MattP knows Antagon is a scum PR and wants to protect him but at the same time distance so within 3 posts he votes Antagon with a mundane post that isn't inherently scummy, then decides within minutes to fakeclaim in response to Tierce and troll her and act scummy to move the wagon over to myself, and then within the same page jumps off of Antagon back onto you immediately which defeats the point of distancing and in fact would draw us together even more
In post 419, fferyllt wrote:Ok, so this was a genuine reaction, I think. All that capslock was bullshit.
Lolwut? So I'm genuine town but lying at the same time?
No, I don't think you are lying, not with that reaction.
Okay. Let's sum that exchange and give some context. Mattp and Tammy were in an argument because Matt claimed VT at a completely arbitrary point. Fery wades into the conversation, asking the arbitrarily inane question of "do you[tammy] think that matt is trying to save a scum PR with his performance", implying that fery thinks Mattp is scum (even though her most recent post regarding matt calls him null). Matt jumps on this and the above exchange subsequently spawns. Posts #399-411 contain pretty blatant posturing from both parties. Near the end, Matt gets distracted by Tammy again and fires off that his claim was a troll. Fery, in a curious inversion of her original implication (and pretty much in disregard of that entire exchange), calls Matt town for this. Matt, rather than pouncing on this, merely
accepts
this totally contradictory reasoning for Matt-town(especially since fery just spent the last 30 minutes or so calling him scum) and
completely ignores
this entire exchange when someone finally wrings his reasons out for fery-scum over 100 posts later in #541. Scum theatre, ladies and gentlemen.
Okie doke, I'm sort of compressing points two and three because they're so interlinked. What don't I like about fery's analyses scumhunting you ask. Well my children, I SHALL DELIVER! (and I'm not putting this in a spoiler, this is the crux of my argument and you can fucking jolly well read it)
In post 31, fferyllt wrote:I've been thinking about that newbie game. I assume pjo gambits no matter what alignment he is.
In post 37, Zdenek wrote:fiery, pjo, tell me about pjo's scum game, or at least point me to the ones that you are talking about.
I haven't seen his scum game. I replaced into a newbie game that he had earlier replaced out of. The first 3 pages of that game were hilarious and Pjo IMO played a significant role in tripping up one scum player who just could not let go of his play or his replacement.
So why do you think that he gambits as either alignment?
I was asking mrbungles because they've played together elsewhere.
But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.
This was the first question mark I got from fery. Look at the progression here: she sees pjo gambiting, calls it null. When queried, she pulls a town game out and shows pjo doing wild shit(completely unrelated wild shit, mind you) as town. She then makes the assumption that the gambit is null as it would "be awfully easy to spot as scum". She doesn't query pjovek as to what he's doing. The meta she pulled is sketchily related to this (pjo wasn't gambitting in that game afaict, rather piling on pressure to people in early game). She caps it all by making an assumption about pjo's play thus far that is both lazy and based on a bad assumption in and of itself (e.g. that pjo is competent scum, which she knows nothing of since he has no completed scumgames on site).
So we have fery making lazy and superficial assumptions, right on the first pages. Moving right along.
In post 110, fferyllt wrote:I like your town list. I'd add mrbungle to the probtown.
withholding judgement on Pjo.
And you're town.
Takes and copies mah townlist, adds bungle for no apparent reason. She posts reasons, but not for ~200 posts or so.
In post 166, fferyllt wrote:One post by whimsical, with the might-be slip. This game isn't exactly on fire with posts, but that's still pretty low involvement.
That's where my vote would go given the current state of the game.
Up to this point, fery has not mentioned Whimsical in any way. No town read, no scum read, no comment on the slip, nothing. She is going with the flow, not voting, but calling a publicly acceptable target for a future vote.
In post 224, fferyllt wrote:I find mrbungle's paranoia about me refreshing and it's part of the reason why I think he's town. This is the first game we've played from the start, and I think if he'd had only a few posts to read instead of dozens in the dragonballz micro game he'd have had similar misgivings.
Finally, an explanation on bungletown! And it has to do with... bungle's paranoia? *checks bungleISO* Yeah, totally not seeing that. Not seeing much of anything from bungle's ISO, for that matter. This was made up from whole cloth.
2. Vote on Sword of Omens looks more like trying to look like he's doing something than actually doing something.
3. He made up a false reason to be suspicious of Sword - that Sword promised to continue lurking. When I called him out on it he kept pushing it.
4. When I questioned him about what he thought of policy lynching in this game rather than just answering he attempts to cast suspicion on to me for trying to instill fear and paranoia about the wagon. Now he's asking me why I chose to appeal to emotion, which never happened, and he's refusing to point out what he's talking about, and deciding to accuse me of not reading.
I thought your theory is that I am scum and buddying pjovik up.
This came from out of nowhere. Zdenek mentioned her buddying Pjo twice (#73 and #216), yet she reads a "why pjo is scum" post and somehow her mind goes to "but I thought you thought I was scum buddying pjo?"
Zdenek says he doesn't think she is scummy for her pjovek read, and BAM! Free townread for Zdenek. Hmm...
In post 326, fferyllt wrote:I accepted Tierce and Enomis based on not seeing anything particularly scummy looking in their posts at the time, but have since firmed up my own thoughts
Tierce is pushing people for explanations - well, some people. She hasn't pushed me for anything but reads. Her concern about the whimsical eggplant bandwagon looks townish-MS since there's an expectation that if a person doesn't come back and answer questions they will be replaced. MS-acclimated scum on the other hand might be more interested in pushing that bandwagon through.
Enomis' quick jump on Whimsical's potential slip looks either hyper-vigilant town or possibly (lower likelihood imo) scum who has had similar thoughts or conversations. But, the concern when this bandwagon took off, the check on other postings and pointing up the possibility of a quick mobile catch-up looks like a town player worried about a bandwagon suddenly picking up an unusual amount of steam, and trying to apply brakes.
Translation: "I sheeped Syr's reads on the two, but I went back and found townie-looking things in their ISO when you all asked me about it".
In post 326, fferyllt wrote:So, my counter-to-the-prevailing-winds reads of mrbungle and pjovik.
They both play on a site where game days are short - 48 hours, I think, and although majority lynch is often the format, from what I've seen reaching 50% + 1 does not end the game day. Players can run the bandwagon beyond that threshold and back down.
I learned mafia on sites with 12-24 hour game days and plurality lynch. At MS, due to still not quite getting all the nuances of majority lynch ending the day, I tend to be either way overcautious about bandwagons or sometimes leap with alarming speed on a fast moving wagon. If you want examples of games where I've done one or the other, let me know and I'll provide links. Overall, I'm tending toward over-cautious at MS, but want to add back some assertiveness because I believe I'm more effective that way.
Anyway, that's a bit of a digression but it's important because it's why I am pretty good at reading players from similar backgrounds. But, I have some concern that I default to thinking the background-influenced style is town.
The MS norm of inactive players being eventually replaced is not a universal thing. pjovik plays where that assumption is not valid. IMO, pjovik's attitude toward the whimsical eggplant wagon is shaped by his mafia background, and I'm reading it as town in this context. I also am reading his gambiting as town. In the newbie game I linked and mentioned earlier he gambited with some posts that look anti-town on the face of it, quickly rounded on the people who reacted, and had a dramatic effect, ending what is fondly known as rvs in these parts.
8 parts digression, 3 parts pjo, 0 parts meaningful scumhunting. She spends 75% of this part of the post talking about the background that pjo comes from but fails to tie it in to how that makes him look town. In her analysis of pjovek she talks about how his attitude is shaped by his background and that his gambit is town as shown by her meta. Yet the crucial links are missing: why does his background indicate his attitude is town? Why does the meta show his gambit is town? (a couple of anti-town posts turned around is a far cry from a mass flavor claim gambit IMO) There are many words, but two thirds of them are a digression and one third is a repetition of her earlier post w.r.t. pjo.
In post 326, fferyllt wrote:re bungles, as I've said, the paranoia doesn't surprise me since this is our first time starting a game together, though I guess it does disappoint me a little. I've had the impression that I'm an easy read for him and others who who play the game offsite, which has been kinda refreshing. His low participation would be worrying me, but when I let him know about this game in sign-ups he mentioned that he would not be around much if the game started up soon. And it did start up soon.
Another repetition of this fabricated paranoia towntell. Fery is still operating on a townread from two hundred posts ago (generated at best on a shaky inference or at worst on an outright fabrication), yet she shows no interest in following up on that read or refreshing it. She claims bungle's lack of activity is slightly concerning but she seems content to leave it at that (<-- town fery? nooooope).
In post 602, fferyllt wrote:I still think Antagon looks bad and I am not sure what to make of his claim. SOO bothers me. And I don't like hp_leaves nearly as much as I did mrbungles.
This reads/concerns with no followup is getting to be habit-forming. Calls out concerns on hp, SOO, Antagon, no attempt to actually divine their alignments.
In post 638, fferyllt wrote:I'm kinda concerned about hp_leaves and SoO after rereading last night.
I had forgotten why I thought Oversoul was town, but rereading, I feel pretty good about him being town.
zachrules has posted quite a bit. I can't decide if I just disagree with him frequently or he's coming to the game with a different motivation.
More of the same. Also repeats a fair amount of 602.
In post 645, fferyllt wrote:Even though he didn't give a reason, the timing of mrbungle's 2nd vote on me fit and even sort of anticipated later reactions. hp leave's unvote is equally unreasoned, and he's not interacted at all with other players and just focused (shallowly imo) on two of the current main issues: MattP and Antagon.
This is perhaps the number one reason I am so convinced of fery-scum. I thought her stance on hp leaves was curious to say the least, especially considering she had a townread on his predecessor mrbungle. This reasoning for hp-scum is incredibly superficial and downright un-fery-ish. Look at her reasons for hp-scum: no reason for an unvote, hp hasn't interacted much with other players and has instead focused on Mattp and Antagon, the two main topics of discussion when hp joined in.
This is incredibly, incredibly superficial (yes I'm repeating myself, fuck off). She's taking some things HP has done completely out of context: the unvote was HP's first move when replacing in, that's not freaking scummy; hp's concentration on the major issues at hand is perfectly acceptable considering that as of #777 he hadn't even bothered to read the game yet. It was patently obvious when hp replaced in he hadn't read the game as yet, but fery jumps on the "he's just concentrating on the major shit at hand he's a scumbutt". She's not even bothering to consider the whys and wherefores of hp's actions but only skimming his ISO and grabbing scummy things to shove at me in response to my question as to why she suspects hp. When I called her out on her reasoning, here was her response:
In post 645, fferyllt wrote:hp leave's unvote is equally unreasoned, and he's not interacted at all with other players and just focused (shallowly imo) on two of the current main issues: MattP and Antagon.
Upon ISO skim of hp, his unvote was when he replaced in. Why should he give reasons for unvoting from whatever his predecessor was doing? Why does that make him scummy?
It was a vote on one of the also-ran wagons. If the vote had been on the leading wagon, my first act as a replacement would have been to unvote if for no other reason than to ensure could catch up.
The point about hp being shallow and only focusing on mattp/antagon isn't bad, but hp's thought process is pretty clear IMO. From what I've seen of scumHP (and don't ask me to elaborate, I can't), hp doesn't have a clear thought process as scum.
Ok, good to know.
Her reasoning on the unvote being scummy is very weak and she doesn't object at all to my point about hp's thought process. If hp [leaves] were a legitimate scumread, she'd have questioned me, pushed me, challenged me,
something
. None of this meek "Ok, good to know" shiot. I should have pushed her more on it then.
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I also would like to note #651. I'm not going to quote it directly, but notice after all that trajectory analysis fery performs in that post she fails to actually say whether zach is town or scum.
Jesus H. Bloody Christ. That took me
forever
to make.
TLDR
: Go read the damn bullet points at the top. At least try to skim the wall, bare minimum read between the stars. VOTE: fferyllt
PS: I will cheerfully swap my vote to Mattp if fery lynch doesn't gain traction, this should be obvious from the section on scum theatre
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #1009 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:18 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 1008, Oversoul wrote:Claim
Although I think you've roasted in the oven too long and well you have to be the lynch
I think that most recent post looks town though
Catching up properly now
but didn't hp already claim vanilla? Or am I just crazy?
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #1010 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:37 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 897, fferyllt wrote:I'm not going to refute it bit by bit before I'm actually awake (and maybe not even then...it reminds me of another case that was mostly accurate in terms of stuff I posted, but was describing things that clearly aren't scum-motivated since I wasn't scum).
What parts aren't scum motivated? Why?
In post 900, fferyllt wrote:Day 1 I was reluctant to let go of my town impression of mrbungles, though hp's posts bothered me because the reasoning seemed shallow. He's offered virtually nothing to the thread but scum reads on Antagon and MattP, and his reasoning for tying them together, as exemplified in post 890 are weak. Well, virtually nothing but those two reads and some lackluster negging of the cases for voting him, rather than actual refutation.
Your reasoning on hp-scum is equally shallow and your scumread on him originated almost 300 posts before his "weak reasoning". So this "reluctance to let go of bungles-town" is a crock of shit.
Why are you buddying the fuck out of me this game? The only time you ever got remotely close to this level of buddying was in Buzzword. Even then, you never once appeased me (as opposed to a half dozen times or more here) and I was damn near confirmed town from RVS in that game. Why here and now?
Why did my dance with Tammy make you think I was town?
In post 926, Amrun wrote:He won't take responsibility even for his own stances. I no likey.
Also MattP is townz.
Why is MattP townz?
In post 952, MattP wrote:2) fferyllt
3) implosion
6) hp [leaves]
7) Oversoul
9)
sword_of_omens
MattP
Can we agree the scum are all in here? I'm not asking for you to simplify the list more, Zdenek, I'm asking if you think I missed anyone that could be scum
In post 970, MattP wrote:2) fferyllt
3) implosion
6) hp [leaves]
7) Oversoul
9) sword_of_omens
WOOOOSSSHHHHHH
so, apart from katsuki and myself, this winds up being a list of people who i don't have townreads on.
Then i iso'd katsuki, and i now have a townread on katsuki.
So yeah. I actually like this list.
You don't have a townread on yourself? Intriguing.
All caught up now. And yes, hp [leaves] did claim vanilla.
hp [leaves wrote: post_id=5053220 time=1372061807 user_id=10128 post_num=893]Just to speed things up, I am a vanilla townie for all intensitive purposes.
Antagon flipping scum really implies Matt being scum so get him today or tomorrow.
VOTE: mattp
Flavor?
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Post #1012 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:45 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 1011, Katsuki wrote:I'm quite disliking how this day is progressing post-tigers.
Elaborate please? (Unless you still hate me in which case pretend one of your townreads asked you this)
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Post #1021 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:08 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 1013, Katsuki wrote:Oh I didn't feel like answering you before as I had you down as scummy.
There's not much to elaborate though in this case?
Yeah, I know why you weren't answering
I was just curious what in particular you didn't like about the way toDay is going.
In post 1016, fferyllt wrote:None of them are scum-motivated. Because I am not scum.
Re HP, my reaction to his early posts was unimpressed, with the exception of (surprise) 551. In retrospect, those first 5-6 posts look better in the light of Antagon's flip, but foreknowledge is a distinct possibility.
In post 1020, Oversoul wrote:Never mind. Tierce actually hasn't voted once this day. I mistook her vote from yesterday as one for today.
Tiere why have you been so useless today
The irony.
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Post #1025 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:30 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 859, Tierce wrote:That was a troll flip. Look at the bottom of the post, Antagon was scum.
And I really have no suspects right now. In case you haven't noticed, I have been crazy busy elsewhere on the site. Tonight was supposed to be Not Busy with having read the game today, but tigers are why we can't have nice things.
This? I already responded to what I thought the flip was. As for you having no suspects/are busy, I was in process of asking you this:
If a small, adorable puppy were to come to you and say "Tierce, if you don't vote right now my heart will flutter and die", who would you vote?
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Post #1029 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:41 am
Postby Syryana »
I'm only mean in theory! I would never make such a cute little creature go through that.
I'm still waffling on hp [leaves] myself. I'll elaborate a bit more after me meal.
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Post #1032 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:13 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 1029, Syryana wrote:I'm still waffling on hp [leaves] myself. I'll elaborate a bit more after me meal.
I did some VCA. One thing that's making me uneasy about the hp lynch is Antagon's actions. I've not meta'd Antagon so I don't know how he plays, but I find it unlikely that he would bus at L-2. Now if this is multiball that alleviates the concern, but I'm not 100% convinced hp is scum in any case. I'm not allowed to elaborate, but I have recently seen hp-scum and this just doesn't...
feel
like hp-scum. I know this is a super-lame explanation but I just don't know how to support this scratchy feeling in the base of my skull.
In post 1031, fferyllt wrote:I get what you are saying. But, that was a different sort of dynamic, replacing into a game what? 3 days before nightfall with a ton of content to respond to? The interaction with mrbungles in this game was early, and there was very little content from me to even analyze. I don't always start games in slow motion, but I am more likely to do so when I don't know anything about many of the players. In the dragonballz game (where I also didn't know most of the players), even with hundreds of my posts, he had me as his weakest town read iirc.
With a handful of my posts in this game at the time, I was not at all surprised by his vote or by the way he put it down without support other than saying it was a serious vote.
You. Why are you ignoring my questions?
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Post #1041 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:40 pm
Postby Syryana »
fferyllt wrote:Were there questions in that gawdawful wall you posted? Or did I miss a post?
In post 1010, Syryana wrote:Why are you buddying the fuck out of me this game? The only time you ever got remotely close to this level of buddying was in Buzzword. Even then, you never once appeased me (as opposed to a half dozen times or more here) and I was damn near confirmed town from RVS in that game. Why here and now?
Why did my dance with Tammy make you think I was town?
You've also been saying things like "that wall is gawdawful" and "there is no scum motivation for those things [in the wall]" for a while now. Why don't you actually rebut my points instead of saying generic "that was bad and you should feel bad" things? All you've done about it thus far is call it crap and mention your reads on Zdenek/SOO/hp, with only the Zdenek justification having anything to do with what I said.
Tierce wrote:Isn't that the time you would want to bus? To make your partner look like a vulnerable Town counterwagon?
Possibly. It doesn't feel like a bus to me though.
And this occurred to me as I was slashing zombie faces: hp [leaves] has claimed vanilla.
Actually I'll wait to finish this thought until hp flavor claims.
Pedit: The fuck you say, there's a big friggin spoiler section in my wall entitled "Buddying".
Pedit2: Are you for real, implosion?
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Post #1056 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:11 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 1054, fferyllt wrote:It's like the buzzword game never happened or something. IIRC our reads in that game were close from the start and got closer as time went on. I also called my hydra partner off when he started to go after you early on day 1. You weren't a constant fixture in that game, which kept our interactions fairly minimal. In this game you were heavily involved in the first few pages and then disappeared for quite a while.
In Buzzword, I claimed miller. I got counterclaimed, and that's what your townread resulted from (and the interactions that happened as a result). When pressed on it, you gave a pretty in depth read as to why you thought I was town.
In this game, at the point you called me town, I hadn't done fuckall. That reads list I posted? I gave that for the sole purpose of irritating Mattp (which should be obvious in context). Some of the reads were serious, some were not. This should have been particularly obvious to
you
, since you had
already
noticed (according to you) Nacho's influence in my dance with Tammy (and thus that I was still in troll mode and my reads list should have been taken with a grain of salt). What do you do? You jump on that list like a damn survivor on a life raft and add another townread to it just to make it obvious you weren't totally sheeping me.
Even later in the game, when I sort of vanished and you admit the townread on me is going stale, what do you do? You sit back, wait for me to return. You don't pressure me. You don't talk to me. You make no effort to determine if you initial townread on me is valid. You just kinda sit back and wait for developments to happen. You have not, at any point in this thread, made any serious attempt to discern my alignment. There hasn't been some kind of game changing catalyst to give you that strong a read in this game like there was in Buzzword.
In post 1054, fferyllt wrote:I have a tendency to start in one game practically where I left off in the previous game with players I feel like I can read. If I don't get an immediate town sense I'm cautious. If I do, it's more like day 3 or 4 of the old game than day 1 of the new one to me.
Well, considering that the game we just got out of (Buzzword) had Nacho-scum in it, and the first thing you think in this thread is "Hey, that dance with Tammy looks Nacho-influenced", why the fuck am I an immediate townread? But I'm getting off point here.
In post 1054, fferyllt wrote:You remember the BSG game. My early confidence that I could read orcinus and trust his view of the game state led to my eventual day 1 lynch.
This does not remind me of orcinus in BSG, because there is a significant difference in being sure you'll be able to read me at some point (what happened then) and townreading me and otherwise making no effort to discern my alignment (what's happening now). In BSG, you set Orci off because you townread him early in the thread. You, he and buldermar then got into a 30 page circle jerk about each other's alignment, and it was transparently obvious that each of you were changing/evolving opinions of each other throughout the thread.
My problem with you stems not from that you had an early read on me, but rather that
you sheeped my reads list and have been buddying me ever since.
You waltz in, sheep my entire list, add bungle and oh by the way Syr is town too. You justify yourself much later, after a half dozen people scream bloody murder at you. Your ISO shows no thought process; it's purely reactive. When I specifically ask you to explain yourself and/or rebut my case, your responses have little to do with what I originally ask or the points I made. Your analysis has for the most part been horrendously superficial.
In post 1054, fferyllt wrote:I should be more cautious in my reads if for no other reason than to avoid this sort of situation. But, I'm not and probably won't improve much given where my game emphasis lies.
You being uncautious with your reads is not the fucking problem here.
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Post #1060 (isolation #48) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:44 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 1057, fferyllt wrote:post hoc stuff. The initial read was almost instantaneous. Back to the Donner party game. I decided you were town quite early in that game, too, but coming to that game right off BSG I didn't make a huge deal of it, though I am pretty sure I had you as town in my first abbreviated list of reads.
And in Donner Party, I didn't have a problem with it, because you exhibited a thought process.
In post 1057, fferyllt wrote:Your alignment has been on your sleeve. I hear that you have a scary scum game, but I guess until I get burned in a game where you look town to me and aren't, you are going to be town as far as I am concerned. I don't spend a lot of time on players I have strong town reads on, except occasionally to defend them if they are racking up votes. That has not been an issue for you in this game. But if you recall, I did defend Pjo when he was collecting votes. You came back into the game, and basically did things that couldn't have been better at re-convincing me you're town if you knew exactly what I look for.
That game thread was overflowing with invective between my partner and another player, to the point where it seriously impacted my ability to interact with the players that I was scumhunting. There was very little left over for interacting with town reads, unless I was trying to convince them to vote/change their votes. Your vote was where it needed to be exxcept when you were trying to prevent a premature hammer. Given the rate of posting, there was not much to say.
You don't spend time investigating strong town reads, sure. But you don't totally neglect to interact with them either.
In post 1057, fferyllt wrote:And this is where I say think back on the Donner party game. I took your reads as a starting place in this game. In that one at the end of day 1 I had a couple scum reads, a couple town reads, and a ton of null reads. I reached out to you in that game to try and dialog about players, but was getting a lot of flack for posting in conversational mode. In this game, since I can't get past your looks-scum filter, I'm not trying very hard to work with you any more.
With the exceptions of sheeping my reads list and responding to questions I directly put to you(or related to my case on you), you haven't tried to interact with me at all. Not once. You've called me town, you call my reads good, said I town told, etc. But not once have you done anything along the lines of "Syr, what do you think of so-and-so" or
any
kind of interaction.
In post 1057, fferyllt wrote:I think a town read of you that you don't feel is justified is a huge part of the problem.
It got my suspicions started, sure. It was that hp [leaves] analysis that really got my gander up though.
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Post #1062 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:57 pm
Postby Syryana »
In post 1061, Amrun wrote:You know what makes your analysis of her hp leaves analysis more relevant?
An hp leaves flip.
Noted.
VOTE: hp [leaves]
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Post #1066 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:07 pm
Postby Syryana »
Tierce, do I have to start threatening puppy doom scenarios again?
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
In post 1066, Syryana wrote:Tierce, do I have to start threatening puppy doom scenarios again?
I was going to hammer in the coming hour. It was the one thing I had to look forward to after putting my corner of the room in order.
And you took it from me.
You monster. Now I'm
still
stuck with housework and all I have to look forward to is a potential scum flip. How is that supposed to make me feel?
Aww. Here.
You can hammer tomorrow.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #1129 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:22 pm
Postby Syryana »
Sup. Reading stuff.
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Post #1131 (isolation #53) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:35 am
Postby Syryana »
Enomis was the vig. There is no SK.
Zach was killed by Enomis, Enomis/Matt were killed by mafia. Now we can stop with setup spec.
Tierce is town. Tammy is town. Amrun is probably town (though I want more elaboration on this "selectively applying scumminess" thing, she and Tierce can catfight or something). SOO is probably town.
Not liking Oversoul. You should know my opinion on fery by now(though, I may be changing this, Matt flipping town blew a hole in my scum theatre idea).
We now have two people (implosion and Zdenek) saying Mattp was killed because of his list. I don't like this, because it's obvious WIFOM.
Haven't decided what to think on the Katsuki wagon yet.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #1133 (isolation #54) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:38 am
Postby Syryana »
Your misuse of vocabulary aside, it is an equally valid possibility that Matt was killed because he was completely off base and scum want us to waste lynches on his list.
However, it is unproductive to continue analysis of his list and possible reasons as to why he was NK'd.
Fery, who are your current scumreads?
Tammy, let me know when you get back and are available.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #1183 (isolation #55) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:15 pm
Postby Syryana »
So, my brain is on fire and I can't think straight
I'm just going to sheep Tammy VOTE: implosion
If I wake up before deadline and don't feel like shit I'll reevaluate, see you all tomorrow
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
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Post #1206 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:47 am
Postby Syryana »
I really should have pushed this yesterDay. Sorry guys.
VOTE: fferyllt
Oversoul is also in my list of suspects. I really need to figure out Katsuki and SOO. Someone on the Katsuki wagon (this means you, Zdenek) explain to me why you were voting her.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
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Post #1209 (isolation #57) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:03 am
Postby Syryana »
In post 1207, Amrun wrote:Why DIDN'T you push it yesterday, Syryana?
A combination of a splitting headache and me rethinking a lot of things.
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Post #1210 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:03 am
Postby Syryana »
So what're you thinking atm, Amrun?
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Post #1212 (isolation #59) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:09 am
Postby Syryana »
I decided not to push it because I was reevaluating you after the Mattp/hp flips.
I have also decided that I was initially correct.
Why aren't you trying to find scum?
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."