Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[ZZZX]

Vote :beastcharizard

Fire sympolized evil

[ZZZX]

hey Squirrel did you draw Squirrel

#thread

[ZZZX]

Where did I imply that I was a Doctor?

Are you a pumpkin that shoots lazors out of its ass?

I am pretty sure thats aweasom. Marvel prob bought it

[ZZZX]

I wana OMGUS Fenix so hard

[ZZZX]

Vote bulba fenix

Yolo

[ZZZX]

Yates thinking I was being serious is rather sad but it Yates so...

Oh. I guess the "JK! LOL!!!" is in invisible text, then. Probably why it just went zooming over my head. I mean, I would have no reason to think you were being serious, right? And I would have no reason to think you are trying to fabricate sticking to your meta, right? My bad.

Bro Chill. Too much over reaction for a seemingly RVS vote?

[ZZZX]

Yates thinking I was being serious is rather sad but it Yates so...

Oh. I guess the "JK! LOL!!!" is in invisible text, then. Probably why it just went zooming over my head. I mean, I would have no reason to think you were being serious, right? And I would have no reason to think you are trying to fabricate sticking to your meta, right? My bad.

Bro Chill. Too much over reaction for a seemingly RVS vote?

this

I actually kinda agree with Vezok here. Umbrage calling Yates town is

Why is Yates town Umbrage?

I think I got that he called him town based on that you two were having a TownVTown fight

[ZZZX]

Unvote Bulba felix

Since I dont feel like it anymore

[ZZZX]

That's an antitown decision

Not really, I think pushing a wagon on the over reacting dude will give us more info no?

[ZZZX]

That's an antitown decision

Not really, I think pushing a wagon on the over reacting dude will give us more info no?

So where is your vote on the over reacting dude?

Ops forgot

Vote Yates

[ZZZX]

Hi Yates, Nero, PV, and Thad, its good to be playing with you guys again. And you too pidgey.


I dont like this series of posts:

That's an antitown decision

Not really, I think pushing a wagon on the over reacting dude will give us more info no?

So where is your vote on the over reacting dude?

Ops forgot

Vote Yates

Forgetting to vote? Ehhh... Someone who was serious about this scumread would not be "forgetting" to vote, it sounds to me like he is making this up.

Vote: ZZZX

Trying to get more info /= Getting a scum read

In another way I am triyng to get us out of RVS, eh?

In my ~3RD game is really acted like this guy when i was town. And it is interesting

also just saw Kid A post, I dont think you actually posted a reason for your vote? Are you just simply sheeping? The last time I checked that IS a scum tell.

[ZZZX]

Nero, how do you always manage to double post? Are you click happy? Who do you think is scum? You normally get it right D1 IIRC so I am fine with sheeping you right now. You are probably the person I trust the most because of that FE game.

Its my computer. My posts are so good that the computer double posts. (SRS answer; it IS the computer. Its been doing this since I got it and I'm not tech saavy enought to know what is wrong. I ran virus scan but it didn't pick up anything so meh.)

ZZZX's 58 was pretty silly.
Pidgey's entrance to the game was p lame.
I still don't care for Yate's reaction.
Squirell is being uncharacteristically quiet.
Umbrage's stance that Yates overreacting in the early game and therefore town is mind boggingly dumb.

So prob some scum there.

Sheeping is convenient. -for scum. How about I promise to vote exactly opposite on every one that you vote for except for the times that I come to the conclusion on my own that I should vote on the same person that you are voting for. And even then, it will be voting in opposition.

Town sheep all the time, bro. Yeah he could be scum sheeping but he could be being genuine here 'cause this is a super mature stance to take.

I dont like this series of posts:

That's an antitown decision

Not really, I think pushing a wagon on the over reacting dude will give us more info no?

So where is your vote on the over reacting dude?

Ops forgot

Vote Yates

Forgetting to vote? Ehhh... Someone who was serious about this scumread would not be "forgetting" to vote, it sounds to me like he is making this up.

Vote: ZZZX

Could be, I know I have him on my watch list but I've seen town do this before but then again I've seen some of the strangest "town" play these past few years.

I could say my playstyle is like that, I never changed it (Prob never will. I find it useful for some reasons).

The core of it is that I play in a way that has no logical meaning while still hunting in the background for scum, Then leading the town for the win (If I ended up survivng night kill!, As it seems I die pretty early 70% of the time due to a kill... or a lynch (Check my completed games so far for more info).

[ZZZX]

@Mod VLA for 24 hours

[ZZZX]

OK guys I'm back.

Will read what I missed but can someone explain the case on me? I don't find it even logical


It is to scum's advantage to push wagons?

[ZZZX]

Isn't it?

[ZZZX]

Let me explain a few things.


First off I am not a newb. I did about 10 mafia games total with a nice win rate


Anyway a question pops up. Why am I doing those silly mistakes?


Its clearly a reaction test. I find that my wagon got fast and without a reason mainly. I also find A's defense really lazy. The I just sheeped answer is a risky and useless answer to use. So some town points for you. But I still find that vote weird.


Out of all who voted Mr I found less than half writing reasons that are just being overlooked. I guess scum always goes for middle seats in a wagon.


Anyway @people calling me scared for vla my high-school's results were being published so I had some personal issues

Currently on phone. I will make a general reads as soon as I go to my PC.

[ZZZX]

P.s Yates you appear to suspect a few people it seems.

Who and why?

[ZZZX]

I know you don't think it's anti-town or scummy. But you know that other people do think that. So why would you want to draw attention to it? I can't think of any town motivation.

Again, let's clarify that only one item on your list of three is possible for me to be treating in this way - and I find it odd you're not defending your stance or agreeing with mine on that point. Secondly, people think wagoning is scummy - I still wagon. People think asking too many questions is scummy - I still ask a lot of questions. People think posting pictures is scummy - I still post pictures. Just because I'm aware that people have issues with something doesn't meant hat I agree with them nor that I will immediately adjust my play for them, because my play does seem to work (except for getting people to listen to me - apparently ).

I didn't have town or scum motivation in the comment I did. The comment was a joke - if anything it was a motivation to suggest that his playstyle is silly. That could come from me regardless of my alignment because I do find it silly as a tell. It's about the same line as saying someone who doesn't use capital letters is scummy.

also I love the progression from this:

Except if you actually read the posts, you'll see that my beef it isn't a defense - it's noticing meta. I would have said pretty much the same thing if he did this to about three other people off the top of my head. So, again, you're just wrong.

I can understand that's your stance. I disagree with you.

to this:

Vote: Yates

And I'm here now too.

from "you're wrong but I see why you would think that" to "you're scum" in two posts.

I feel you ignored the bulk of the rest of that post, wherein I did not express much agreement with Yates or what he was doing. If you go back and read that I tink the progression will make a lot more sense to you. Let me know if it doesn't and I'll point out things for you to help you understand why I think he's scum.

I totally agree with squirrel since I feel in the same boat... Other than that I use my play style to my advantage.

[ZZZX]

It is annoying how I am being voted on my play style.

I don't know about you but if anyone read my.done.games it will be the same posting as that but I always flipped town.


If its something else idk. I can't really find the case on me.

I asked once and I ask again.... what is the case on me?

[ZZZX]

Nero, are you talking about your umm what question in post like 131 or something? I fail to see a question somewhere.

@ZZZX:

You forgetting to vote your scum read is a scummy thing to do in some people's opinions. You can't say you didn't scum read them because you voted them outside of RVS. It just looks like a scum realizing they forgot to vote to look town and putting down their vote hoping no one noticed. I have tried going through your games on PO but to be quite honest I only found 1 that is completed and I hated the game so I had no motivation to actually read it. I will read a game or two of yours hear though so you have that to look forward too.

I posted that his over reaction reminds me of my self as town but he might be hiding something.


He wasn't that much of a scum read but when people insisted I put the vote which was semi rvs in page 2.

[ZZZX]

I had a busy week you see.

As soon as I get home I will post you explained read so far. So I hope you wait up a moment

2 and a half weeks still remaining for the day and I am doing my best to catch up.

[ZZZX]

Really? I didn't think it was any good at all.

It's also quite a stretch to call it a case. It was at best a demonstration of one contradiction. I've learned from the past that a contradiction does not necessarily indicate scum, and I happen to think it's not nearly as dramatic a change as it's being made out to be.

Apparently I lied about getting to iso-land tonight.

Literally Pidgey is making up the reasons for his vote. This is scummy. Who are you voting for and why?

As for what is happening now. Pidgey is town. Towniest town ever.

If there was ever a player to antisheep, it's this guy.

VOTE: Pidgey

I dont know. I still find that his reads might be weird but i am not sure

Also I will post reads this weekend as promised

[ZZZX]

SO I will read a few people right now just before the weekend because I cant do all atm

KidA:

This guy has been called experienced, Yet he basically is playing it really dumb, Random voting and refusing to give reasons, And he defended himself with a claim of the "Charcter" which could have beeen given to him from the mod.

Slightly Scum But I am not sure about why would the Wolf' would be not used.

Aronis:

The only guy that isn't really trying, he has 5 posts of which 1 is an omgus and 2 are rvs'es

Slightly Scummy or Vanilla Townie who isn't caring about the game

mozamis:

Have been scumhunting and playing with a nice vibe around him.

Town Read

Umbrage:

Smells town. his push is too risky for scum to do and I find him quite interesting.(Not to self, Read the -Gender before you post, Thank god I did !)

Slightly Town

Chandra Nalaar:

Unusual reads mostly and quite active. I am not sure but I will be saying

Slightly town?

Josh_B:

Let me quote this

Spoiler:

@ Pidgy, Fenix, and Chandra

OK. Even with the possibility of Fake Claims.
Is there any reason to believe that KidA's Wolverine claim isn't true, or that he is scum?
Because so far, all I see from his play is weak wagon hopping from an inexperienced player who has self admitted that he isn't yet able to come to his own conclusions, but has proven that he is willing to jump on whatever seems popular at the time.

At some point in the game, I'll probably prefer to lynch KidA because his inexperience is a liability. If he's willing to bounce from wagon to wagon now, what's he going to be like when the town pool is getting smaller and smaller and the scum are becoming more and more manipulative in their play style?

Maybe we should lynch him now anyways, and see who's interested in keeping him around -but I think that would be better played in a future DP.

He contracted him self in 2 posts. Also tried to defend KidA way to many times.

Scummy

pidgey:

He is active lurking for sure but I don't feel scum vibes from him...

Netural?

BulbaFenix:

Seems to be focusing on setup more than the scum hunting which is a scum tell they say, Well I don't trust what they said (I am looking at you mafia scum wiki!) But he has way too low posts and way lower content for a normal player or a hydra

Leaning Scum?

[ZZZX]

Day 1 Vote Count 6

Pidgey 5 -,Umbrage,The Rufflig,jklash12,displaced,Kid A,
The Rufflig 4 - Aronis,vezokpiraka,pidgey,Chandra Nalaar,
beastcharizard 3 - Mutleyddmc,ThAdmiral,mozamis,
Yates 3 - Nero Cain,ZZZX,Squirrel Girl,
Umbrage 2 - beastcharizard,UniversalSlutBus,
ZZZX 2 - pappums rat,Aunt Jemina,
Squirrel Girl 2 - UnfriendlyNeighbors,Yates,
Mutleyddmc 1 - PeregrineV,
mozamis 1 - Josh_B,

Not Voting

BulbaFenix,
SnakePlissken,

Also, bad wagons:
Pidgey
Rufflig
Beast
Yates
Umbrage
Squirrel

Isn't that everyone that isn't oZZZXo??

[ZZZX]

How am I active lurking if i have the highest post count in the thread?

Read what active lurking means.

[ZZZX]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ve_Lurking

I am so nice.

[ZZZX]

I would but zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Active Lurking is the act of posting (thus differentiating it from ordinary Lurking), but the material posted is irrelevant or otherwise useless for scumhunting.
Examples of active lurking include posts made only of taunts, excuses for not posting, incoherent gibberish that will lead people to suspect that you do not have the Internet savvy to play Mafia, general bland agreement with whatever is going on, and so forth. For the less couth readers, this is frequently called "bullshitting" in MeatWorld.
This tactic is employed by scum who wish to appear more active than they actually are; either for the scum who has no comment on the current matter but does not want to seem like they are lurking, or for the lurker who wants to paint themselves as slightly better than some other lurker.
The effectiveness of this tactic is quite impressive if players are not specifically looking for it. It is a common Town mistake to wish for the lynch of people they violently disagree with over the people who post whatever they can to stay on the periphery.

ok this is exactly what im not doing. What have i posted that is irrelevant besides my first 3 RVS posts and the mention that maybe scum have fake claims, which amount to a grand total of like 5 posts?

BRB quoting every post I notice you active lurking., Fine?

[ZZZX]

His early posts, particularly this one:

It was a reference to the show called "The Awesomes" (catch it on Hulu - it's quite good), Aronis. The main character of which is Professor Doctor Jeremy "Prock"

Awesome

.

I must bow to Squirrel Girl's superior knowledge of comic book minutiae.

all felt quite relaxed and "bantery". Doesn't seem at all nervous or forced.

Don't really think this is a good way to try to discern alignment.

And if you mean his, then this.

Lol.

I could apperantly say "Im going to make a sandwich guys" and youd respond "SANDWICH? SCUM!"

I mean its in my iso right there but here.

I dunno i have no reads yet nero seems town for now.

Displaced looks scummy with his last post since that seems like a little "throw some dirt and see if it sticks"

vote: Displaced

Im speachless

What if I had said "Ice cream at the wall" that would have so many connotations.

(Those 2= ruff and displaced. The red bird is just a lazy sheep that read saw words and thought "oo a case")

At least if im lynched you would all had a goldmine to work with since apperantly im all the talk today and everyone is either commenting about my RVS posts or inventing some fucking crap about me.

I did the first few posts I saw, Is it me or is most of those notihng useful?

[ZZZX]

ZZ could be scum, that was pretty weak.

What do you mean by pretty weak?

[ZZZX]

His early posts, particularly this one:

It was a reference to the show called "The Awesomes" (catch it on Hulu - it's quite good), Aronis. The main character of which is Professor Doctor Jeremy "Prock"

Awesome

.

I must bow to Squirrel Girl's superior knowledge of comic book minutiae.

all felt quite relaxed and "bantery". Doesn't seem at all nervous or forced.

Don't really think this is a good way to try to discern alignment.

And if you mean his, then this.

Lol.

I could apperantly say "Im going to make a sandwich guys" and youd respond "SANDWICH? SCUM!"

I mean its in my iso right there but here.

I dunno i have no reads yet nero seems town for now.

Displaced looks scummy with his last post since that seems like a little "throw some dirt and see if it sticks"

vote: Displaced

Im speachless

What if I had said "Ice cream at the wall" that would have so many connotations.

(Those 2= ruff and displaced. The red bird is just a lazy sheep that read saw words and thought "oo a case")

At least if im lynched you would all had a goldmine to work with since apperantly im all the talk today and everyone is either commenting about my RVS posts or inventing some fucking crap about me.

I did the first few posts I saw, Is it me or is most of those notihng useful?

This post. It sucks.

Can you explain how it does?

I showed my pov. Was that wrong?

[ZZZX]

I didn't have this info when I typed the messages,

As I said that was just a filler until weekend so I can do an in depth read instead of I so skimming

[ZZZX]

I found the claim causing chaos and he just hid behind it without explaining any play he did

typical scum possibly

I found his play quite anti town mostly for reason I explained before

[ZZZX]

After I read this I think either you guys are drunk or I am....

@theadmiral. Can you clarify? You quoted my post twice and the besides you thinking that the post is shit, I don't follow. Are the comments to the second quote related to my post or to another post?

I think we resolved my whole reliance on character claims as proof of alliance.

This:

He means shit. He means your case is shit.

It looks particularly bad because it is an attempt to pile pressure on the current lynch leader.

Was supposed to be in response to this:

ZZ could be scum, that was pretty weak.

What do you mean by pretty weak?

I think there was a ctrl-c fuckup somewhere along the line.


to clarify, however, I thought

your

post was terrible because you were attempting to drum up support for a kida lynch using his inexperience, tendency to jump from wagon to wagon, and fear that he could negatively impact the game later (when there are less people) as reasons. None of these relate to him actually being scum, just a hinderence. In fact you imply he is town with the line "what's he going to be like when the town pool is getting smaller and smaller and the scum are becoming more and more manipulative in their play style?", i.e. if you think he is liable to be manipulated by the scum clearly you don't think he is one.

Yeah, but that's the point though. i think all I did was basically re-state what was already contained in that post, and you didn't even seem to buy half of it, but suddenly your demeanor went from 'can lynch SG' to 'pals with SG' it didn't feel like a legit mental shift considering the interaction. That's why I called it out.

K. I mean does it make you think I'm scum or not. If not I don't really see the point in bringing it up.

And I've been debating this, but I suppose my answer is - yes, yes it does make me think you might be scum. Mostly because it doesn't feel like a logical mental shift, which makes me feel like the presented stances from you are false because they don't flow logically. I also feel like you're being evasive in this discussion.

cool

Nope. How many other players do you hear in this discussion? No one else cares.

Cheeky fucking scumbutt. You're right, it's quite plain no one is going to bother lynch you over what is essentially a scumclaim because they aren't paying attention. Good deduction. Keep refusing to link to a post that doesn't exist.

Why isn't this dead yet? Can I have a double vote?

I have to admit I haven't really been paying attention to rufflig. Sell me on the idea of lynching him.

Sad part: I called josh b for the reason you just called me for.. When did I say that's the reason?

Pro tip : I didn't stop saying I said things I didnt say.

Well, DP1 has been fun so far. I'm ready to move on if everyone else is. But now it's time Follow the Scarlet Witch as chaos tends to do, with a little erratic game theory and touch of wagon mongering. I'll try to add as many links as I can, but FTW this game is bungled by flame wars. I hope I can make this post as clear as possible.

Spoiler: considerate wall reduction

Pidgy486and/or Yates(499) alerted me to the probability of two scum factions in this game that has put behavior of several players into question.
At the beginning of the game(p1) 3 people came on strong as role fishing after Aronis claimed to have an awesome character.
Squirrel Girl
Ruflig
ZZZX
It isn't absurd to want to know who got what character, but the issue against these three is that both SG and Ruf were both like, "IS IT A DOCTOR?!?!"
And it was ZZZX's second attempt for role fishing, the first being against SG.

Then there's the follow up. Ruf praising SG for her knowledge(17) and SG giving a random, yet pointed role description of an antagonist character(18).

I wish she would have called dibs. We'd be sure she was scum.

Forward to SG rolefishing KidA(not that far (21)) and Ruf voting Aronis and explaining his case against Aronis's "minor role fishing"(152)

as opposed to his own full on role fishing mentioned before

Anyways, I don't want to requote the whole damn DP, I'm getting to a point. I noticed this post by Yates

Spoiler: Yate post

VOTE: Aronis

He's a gross lurker, but calling post 15 a "rolefish" is a bit of a stretch. To me it reads as a snarky reaction to:

You are Professor Doctor Awesome?

and

Maybe he's Dr. Decibel.

So two people jokingly referred to him as a "Doctor."

Referring to the primary role fishing infractions, but oops forgot to include his partner on that train.

Hello Scum

It makes me feel like the Yate's/SG war was Faction on Faction considering the misreps that were coming from both sides.

they've already been pointed out so read the DP if you want to see them for yourself.

So, That being said, For the scummiest continued game play besides these incidents. I'm voting ZZZX,

since I only get to pick one

.
VOTE: ZZZX
I know we still have some time left in the DP, but with 24 pages worth of play, I feel like I have a reasonable amount of info to place a solid vote.

When the hell did I role fish?

Fun fact; I was from the few who didn't go in that doctor argument and now I am called for it



SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE SAYING I SAID THINGS I DIDN'T



EITHER QUOTE ME OR DONT TALK ABOUT IT.


God I feel better after expressing my anger

[ZZZX]

Did you think ZZZX's post [16] somehow influenced Aronis's "rolefish" post [15]?



????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

So I posted after him and influenced his post before me

This logic is flawless...

Why the hell do I feel you guys are trying to push fake reasons to vote me? @Everyone

HALF the BWs that are going on right now are shit and are lead by scum

[ZZZX]

Just for the record, Saying he drew the pumpkin that shoots lazorz out of its ass isnt a role fish unless you are that bad to see it as so.

[ZZZX]

Why the fuck did someone shoot aronis now.
There were so many better targets.

Are all Daykillers town sided? I have never been in a game with one and at first I thought it was a modkill.

No not all daykillers town sided but I would expect this one is

If it was mafia Idk why would they do it.

[ZZZX]

So I posted after him and influenced his post before me

This logic is flawless...

Thank you for restating my point. Josh claimed I was your scum buddy because I didn't include your "rolefish" in my summary of why Aronis's post wasn't a rolefish. I'm saying that your post obviously

did not

influence the post before it. Is that really unclear?

This reply is not really aimed at you

I was just too lazy to go to his first post and quote it so I just said this

[ZZZX]

I have never been in a game with a Day killing role but I know that a daykilling town role exists on the Wiki so my first conclusion was assuming it was a town sided thing. I didn't understand why you would jump to conclusions that it was scum sided until now. At least I know you aren't slipping some sort of information now that you have provided a game to back up that suspicion.

@ZZZX:

I found it funny you told Yates the reply wasn't towards him yet you answered a question clearly directed towards someone who wasn't you. If you don't like people replying to something not aimed at them then why do you do the same thing? If you could kindly let people answer their own questions that would be fantastic.

I basically said the part that was related to me to answer someone else's question

Also at least I didn't lie about what others said like our friends here ("Looks angrily")

[ZZZX]

I think my vote was reset. I'm putting it back where it was just to make sure.

VOTE: ZZZX

So I posted after him and influenced his post before me

This logic is flawless...

Thank you for restating my point. Josh claimed I was your scum buddy because I didn't include your "rolefish" in my summary of why Aronis's post wasn't a rolefish. I'm saying that your post obviously

did not

influence the post before it. Is that really unclear?

For further evidence, I will also call into question the post of role fishing that displaced was referring to, and your reasoning for referring to the post that you referred to. Because, I don't see the justification from displaced on the Aronis vote until much, much later.

Back from v/la

vote Aronis

Perhaps we should wait on displaced to identify the post he was referring to.

Dear Diary, I found another guy who ignored my reply to him and uses same BS argument which has been proven so false. While he is saying I did things I didnt do such as Role Fishing.

Also the dear town has been ignoring my posts with only Yates replying to them. I am actually liking him for that.

Now I got voted for reasons that do not exsist while scum pushes me for fake reasons and noone notices.

This seems like a normal day indeed.

#ZZZX

Vote Josh_B

Scum and trying to ignore all my points. Perfectly clear scum play.

[ZZZX]

Reason for using bigger than normal letters? for I had 6 posts in rows which got ignored as if I am not even in the game.

[ZZZX]

So asking squirrel a question that is clearly a joke in a game where scum prob gets fake claims is role fishing?

What about 4 people trying to guess name for art role? Looks like its only at me?

P-edit:ninja'D

[ZZZX]

I'd like to take this moment to note your decision to start out by discrediting me as "not paying attention" and then to do exactly nothing in the rest of the post to demonstrate that I was not paying attention. You're just trying to sound pretty.

If you had been paying attention, I wouldn't have to keep correcting all your errors that you keep posting. As expected, the wall only brought contradictions from you without any arguments or proof.

1)

You did not correct any errors in the post in question.

2)

You probably suspect no one will read closely enough to realize that this point is flagrantly made up.

3)

Contradictions: lol, show me them.

4)

Arguments: I'm pretty sure my post was comprised entirely of arguments.

5)

Proof: Is what scum demand when they are suspected on grounds they don't think are the correct ones, and is not a real thing that exists in mafia outside of power roles.

1) Straight up contradiction.
2) Accusation of making things up.
3) I'd rather not have to quote the whole previous wall.
4) Straight up contradiction.
5) Mud slinging. Proof also consists of quoting posts to prove that you aren't making things up or to prove that someone is making stuff up. Looks like I'm going to have to quote a lot of it of the previous post.

1.) How is it a contradiction?
2.) Okay. And?
3.) That's okay. You didn't show them in the previous wall either.
4.) Again, how?
5.) I wouldn't say it's mudslinging, given that it's a direct response to your post. The Burden of Proof has always rested on you to show that what you're saying is true. That is what Chandra keeps asking, yet you keep refusing to provide evidence to. She's right that you saying that her wall does not provide proof is a scummy action designed to change the focus of attention.

I never stated that I voted for Bulbafenix because his wagon was larger. You're extrapolating from what I did say to something that isn't true.

I asked why she wanted a bulbafenix wagon. Her response was that her wagon was bigger. She is correct in the sense that she didn't use the word 'voting', but this is hair-splitting. The reason someone wants a wagon and the reason they are voting someone are the same. Straight up contradiction and mud slinging (i.e. that I was making stuff up. I did use the word voting when referring to these posts at some point though.

The second half of my post asked if I could interest her in a Aronis wagon then gave a weak reason for an Aronis wagon. I think the context is clear that I was asking Chandra to explain her push behind BulbaFenix.

Except you never quoted the post where she said all this regarding her vote on our wagon. She keeps asking you to back up your statements, which you refuse to do so. Even now you refuse to show actual evidence of her doing what you say she's doing, even though that evidence would be most beneficial to your case right now.

Time to move on to her non-contradiction and "argument" answers

Completely different. I didn't do any misleading.

I don't believe there is anything.

(Hint: It's not solid)

First of all, it's only neutral by your say-so.

Second of all, YOU don't seem to have been paying attention, because we literally just cleared up the confusion about "throwing dirt" last page.

Oh, hey. ^ The second part actually contains an argument.

I don't see the contradictions here.

You assume that the response to your question is "no, you couldn't look me in the eye and state that displaced's post held scummy intent".

You seem awfully sure that displaced has no scummy intent. Is it because you know he's town?

Should I point out that Chandra herself has since stated that she doesn't believe in pidgey's argument, either? This was a point that Chandra actually agrees with. She went out of her way to try and use this against me.

Her belief in pidgey's argument is separate from her questioning of you. She's inquiring into your beliefs surrounding Pidgey's argument. Her beliefs are not on trial.

Go ahead, quote it, and I'll tell you how that's not what I said. I'm waiting.

I think I've covered this sufficiently in this post already. Eh, she could have just responded to the topic instead of just saying "No, it isn't". Next!

Asking you to prove your point by providing evidence of your assertions is not scummy. Btw, you still haven't done this.

No, it was not. You asked me if I was interested in voting Aronis, and I told you the Bulba wagon was larger. I did not tell you that was why I was voting on it.

"No, it isn't". *sigh* My wagon is bigger. This was the reason she gave for wanting the BulbaFenix wagon and/or not wanting the Aronis wagon depending on how you read my initial post. It amounts to the same thing. This is more hair-splitting so she can justify denying everything.

Again, quotes please.

Actually, I have no interest in disproving that statement or of telling you I think that scummy intent exists. What I think about it is entirely irrelevant to the fact that you were putting those words in someone's mouth.

She is claiming my posting style is scummy. To the charge of putting words in someone's mouth I simply state 'rhetorical questions'. These questions formed an argument. Rather than tackle the argument, she tackles me.

I don't see how she's claiming your posting style is scummy. She's very clearly stating you misrepped somebody. Are you trying to say that misrepping people is part of your playstyle?

Why the fuck did someone shoot aronis now.

Is the target as important as the result or what a day death implies? Honestly, the rest of it is wifom. Maybe it was someone who thought he bread crumbed doc. Maybe it was someone trying to make it look like he was killed by someone who thought he bread crumbed doc. Both are equally likely and uninteresting given how little we know.

What makes you think Aronis was shot for breadcrumbing Doc? That's a very specific assertion.

HALF the BWs that are going on right now are shit and are lead by scum

Given that nobody was voting at that point, I doubt it. However, this is a rather strange statement for you to make.

That was almost definitely a town kill. Scum don't shoot lurkers, and no scum would use a daykill on D1.

I actually agree with this.

Can someone summarize the Rufflig case for me?

Style over substance. When he gets called out, especially to provide evidence for his arguments, he'll slink off and makes some excuse like "I'm getting tired of the wall wars." and then act like he's the better man. As you can see in my response, he doesn't actually back up his assertions, instead choosing to discredit and misrep the players he's talking about.

Why vote him over obvscum beastcharizard?

Because Bc's not obv. scum.

Dear Diary, I found another guy who ignored my reply to him and uses same BS argument which has been proven so false. While he is saying I did things I didnt do such as Role Fishing.

Also the dear town has been ignoring my posts with only Yates replying to them. I am actually liking him for that.

Now I got voted for reasons that do not exsist while scum pushes me for fake reasons and noone notices.

This seems like a normal day indeed.

#ZZZX

Dear Diary,

They're on to me. I have to create some sort of counter wagon to get them off my trail. Luckily, one of my strongest attackers is starting to get votes. That seems like a good option. I hope no one realizes I'm scum.

Hugs and kisses,
ZZZX

Vote Rufflig

-Bulba

First of all thats a nice formating indeed but let me explain a few things.

I had posted at least 5 posts that were just ignored ... Also at that time there were at least 6 small wagons which were agianst towny players imo

[ZZZX]

Can we fucking lynch Rufflig i bet my ass he is scum.

Can you calm down and see we are catching some interesting facts? No need to end the day until we get all info of this day

[ZZZX]

@Aunt Jemina & ZZZX: Both of you are voting for Josh_B. I would like your opinions on something. Josh_B posts #474, #479, #483, #485, #489, #502, #506, #509, & #511. Specifically, his not understanding about fake claims on this site. If you feel that Josh_B's posts ring true, would you not think that Josh_B did

not

receive such a role pm?

@Chandra: Thank you for your comments. You'll understand if I don't respond to them and just run runaway.

I would love if you would save me just the bit of time and use Post BBcode

so I will use them here then tell you my opinion after I read them

474
479
483
485
489
502
509
511

[ZZZX]

I wrote a whole wall O Text just so It just disappears when I pressed Submit...

Well I will try again tomorrow but I am so demoralized..

[ZZZX]

I couldn't get the wall back but here is the summery

474: I find it weird for him to defend him for his claim, We the reasons to push KidA were not the claim mainly (As demonstrated that this is a Jason game that has fake claims like butter)

479: Makes no sense and contradicts its self, Let me read it again

(This game has fake claims so claiming anything doesnt make you town) (3 words later) (If you claimed a big role you are nearly 100% town)

Well Jason games showed that you can have a major role un-filled with pro town players, And could be a fake claim.

483: Trys to contradicts himself again... After believing in fake claims 4 posts later he denys them(??) and again defends KidA (Which is unnatural, But actually makes KidA town unless Josh_B was still new. (A tactic for a later on I saw being done in a few completed games I read in my free time)

485: A weak explaination to 483?

489: Changes his opinion after someone supported his first theory of no fake claims (What the hell?) and again defends KidA without a good reasoning. Again thats mostly the tactic I descriped in 483 (Where he will try to keep KidA alive if possible to be a weapon in Lylo if he survived that long.

502 No comments

509 Believes that scum's fake claims should be a liability. Idk nothing to say about this one

511 Nothing to say


I had a full Wall 0 text full of theorys and explainations but it was lost

[ZZZX]

I don't see how ZZZX's post has anything to do with UN.

-Bulba

Let's say you were scum goon, and one of your team mates with a power role was being threatened to be lynched. How would you play it?
ZZZX's post is too erratic to come from a common scum without purpose, and too manipulative and misleading to come from town.
The most recent upturn on a wagon was that of UnFriendlyNieghbors.
Now that we know ZZZX is obvscum. We should evaluate the reasons for such a post-

i.e. Sacrifice for protection

.

Josh is right.
Also that doesn't feel like town cabd even though I have limited experience with her.

vote unfriendly neighbours

Just for your info you two seem like a scum team there

since what you said doesnt make sense again

I posted these reads cus ruffing requested me to read those posts, how does that relate the UFN?

Also really?

let me read that again

I don't see how ZZZX's post has anything to do with UN.

-Bulba

Let's say you were scum goon, and one of your team mates with a power role was being threatened to be lynched. How would you play it?

ZZZX's post is too erratic to come from a common scum without purpose

, and too manipulative and misleading to come from town.
The most recent upturn on a wagon was that of UnFriendlyNieghbors.

Now that we know ZZZX is obvscum

. We should evaluate the reasons for such a post-

i.e. Sacrifice for protection

.

What?

How is reading you as scum have to do with sacrifice with protection? how is it too manipulative and misleading? Is it because I scum read you?

When am I obvscum?

Josh is right.

Also that doesn't feel like town cabd even though I have limited experience with her.

vote unfriendly neighbours

So you say josh is right in something that doesnt mean anything and you then call out someone for being scummy then...

you dont vote him and vote UFN instead?

I dont know about UFN and I dont really care about him. I never defended him and I am yet to gain a solid read on him, I am yet to find where I defended him

[ZZZX]

ignore the capd part since I forgot it was a hydra

[ZZZX]

@Bulba I explained what I said 2 lines below it. Why did you ignore that part?

[ZZZX]

Also my posts are not even looked at by anyone that isnt called bulba-fenix or Yates

[ZZZX]

Spoiler: ignorant post that doesn't need to be shown again, but included for reference

I couldn't get the wall back but here is the summery

474: I find it weird for him to defend him for his claim, We the reasons to push KidA were not the claim mainly (As demonstrated that this is a Jason game that has fake claims like butter)

479: Makes no sense and contradicts its self, Let me read it again

(This game has fake claims so claiming anything doesnt make you town) (3 words later) (If you claimed a big role you are nearly 100% town)

Well Jason games showed that you can have a major role un-filled with pro town players, And could be a fake claim.

483: Trys to contradicts himself again... After believing in fake claims 4 posts later he denys them(??) and again defends KidA (Which is unnatural, But actually makes KidA town unless Josh_B was still new. (A tactic for a later on I saw being done in a few completed games I read in my free time)

485: A weak explaination to 483?

489: Changes his opinion after someone supported his first theory of no fake claims (What the hell?) and again defends KidA without a good reasoning. Again thats mostly the tactic I descriped in 483 (Where he will try to keep KidA alive if possible to be a weapon in Lylo if he survived that long.

502 No comments

509 Believes that scum's fake claims should be a liability. Idk nothing to say about this one

511 Nothing to say


I had a full Wall 0 text full of theorys and explainations but it was lost

First off, my interest was not in KidA, it was a press on BulbaFenix. I noticed that they had been tunneling on this for a while and it was giving me mixed signals about their slot. Secondly, it should be obvious that I don't have experience with predetermined Fake Claims being provided by the Mod. But most importantly This:
518

Why claim that you haven't read the posts (848) when you were part of the conversation in the beginning?
You are definitely scum.

Because I have so good memeory I remeber what was said 10 pages ago just by seeing the post NUMBER!


#SCARSAM

[ZZZX]

Whatever, ZZZX is scum, but why does he make it so obvious.
Let's lynch him and find out logical my theory is.

VOTE: ZZZX

Sorry for the Tiny Text. I didn't do it on purpose. I tried to get that post out 3 different times and I finally just pared it down to the very basic concept.
ZZZX claimed that he hadn't read the posts despite him having commented on the posts when they occurred. Both times when he called me scum, his comments were misrepresenting the facts and forcing scuminess into my posts that wasn't there.

Now. ZZZX is scum and he's made it obvious which is an unnatural scum thing to do. So, I'm trying to consider his motivation for doing it. I think it's because of the recent snowballing on the UFN wagon. There is no way a scum would be so blatent about his misreps unless it was to save a partner with a PR.

I suspect that ZZZX is a Goon and UFN is the PR that he is trying to protect.

P-edit. ZZZX, Not knowing what was said is one thing. Not remembering what you said is an obvious red flag.

So you say UFN is the PR mafia and you... vote me?

How contridacting yourself

Its called wifom Son

[ZZZX]

Wifom is the wrong word here, I ment OMGUS

[ZZZX]

How I feel

[ZZZX]

This song is sent to Josh, Idk how he is town read by everyone... lol

[ZZZX]

Whatever, ZZZX is scum, but why does he make it so obvious.
Let's lynch him and find out logical my theory is.

VOTE: ZZZX

Sorry for the Tiny Text. I didn't do it on purpose. I tried to get that post out 3 different times and I finally just pared it down to the very basic concept.
ZZZX claimed that he hadn't read the posts despite him having commented on the posts when they occurred. Both times when he called me scum, his comments were misrepresenting the facts and forcing scuminess into my posts that wasn't there.

Now. ZZZX is scum and he's made it obvious which is an unnatural scum thing to do. So, I'm trying to consider his motivation for doing it. I think it's because of the recent snowballing on the UFN wagon. There is no way a scum would be so blatent about his misreps unless it was to save a partner with a PR.

I suspect that ZZZX is a Goon and UFN is the PR that he is trying to protect.

P-edit. ZZZX, Not knowing what was said is one thing. Not remembering what you said is an obvious red flag.

So you say UFN is the PR mafia and you... vote me?

How contridacting yourself

Its called wifom Son

zzzx- Die you dirty post skipper, and hater against progressive thought.

@rufflig - I'm pretty sure you have it backwards. the case on ZZZX is independant from UnfriendlyNeighbors. But the obviousness of ZZZX shot through the roof after the wagon on UFN went up. UFN doesn't really have to be first, we can take out the goon, and be just as close to our wincon as we were before + I still have my eye on you Rufflig.

Nero- Join the crowd, stop tunneling on Yates and trying to start a counter wagon.

When did I post skip?

Also how am I against progressive thought when I reply to ALL your posts with real reads and real scum-tells while your only case on me is that im obv scum ?

I still cant find your case, I find your play too much depending on AtE, It was once used by a great player I admire as town but it wasn't filled with this bs.

[ZZZX]

Josh_B 2 - UnfriendlyNeighbors,Viomi
Josh B 1 - ZZZX,

...?

PEDIT: Fuckin ninja'd.

Lol I got ninja'd too, I sent it in a PM thou

[ZZZX]

Jason made two wagons 'cuse the first one is all scum and the second one is not.

So I am confirmed town?

[ZZZX]

Jason made two wagons 'cuse the first one is all scum and the second one is not.

So I am confirmed town?

It is clearly a joke but here is a treat (Since you still dont get the joke :<)

[ZZZX]

No, I got the joke. Made me giggle, but still seemed out of place, even for a joke.

Feel free to meta me to check out my jokes, They are usually more cruel (Check the Mini game I did long ago, its in my wiki I think?)

[ZZZX]

No, I got the joke. Made me giggle, but still seemed out of place, even for a joke.

Feel free to meta me to check out my jokes, They are usually more cruel (Check the Mini game I did long ago, its in my wiki I think?)

Mm. Except this account's playstyle is to ignore meta completely, which I will continue to do.

Feel free!

But I ain't changing my playstyle honestly, I have my reasons for it. And it makes mafia fun.

[ZZZX]

Whatever, ZZZX is scum, but why does he make it so obvious.
Let's lynch him and find out logical my theory is.

VOTE: ZZZX

Sorry for the Tiny Text. I didn't do it on purpose. I tried to get that post out 3 different times and I finally just pared it down to the very basic concept.
ZZZX claimed that he hadn't read the posts despite him having commented on the posts when they occurred. Both times when he called me scum, his comments were misrepresenting the facts and forcing scuminess into my posts that wasn't there.

Now. ZZZX is scum and he's made it obvious which is an unnatural scum thing to do. So, I'm trying to consider his motivation for doing it. I think it's because of the recent snowballing on the UFN wagon. There is no way a scum would be so blatent about his misreps unless it was to save a partner with a PR.

I suspect that ZZZX is a Goon and UFN is the PR that he is trying to protect.

P-edit. ZZZX, Not knowing what was said is one thing. Not remembering what you said is an obvious red flag.

So you say UFN is the PR mafia and you... vote me?

How contridacting yourself

Its called wifom Son

No, I got the joke. Made me giggle, but still seemed out of place, even for a joke.

Feel free to meta me to check out my jokes, They are usually more cruel (Check the Mini game I did long ago, its in my wiki I think?)

Mm. Except this account's playstyle is to ignore meta completely, which I will continue to do.

Feel free!

But I ain't changing my playstyle honestly, I have my reasons for it. And it makes mafia fun.

And I shall do the same.

IGMEOU, just letting you know I'll be pushing you for info probably tomorrow or later today.

Yes, because by telling him the pressure is coming, he'll really be caught off guard.

-Bulba

I explained I ment OMGUS in first post

Anyway I am town so i have nothing I would want to hide anyway

[ZZZX]

SUPER-----SONIC

The Scum Hunter is here!

[ZZZX]

Viomi, have you finished reading the thread yet?

I don't know why she is getting showered with townreads incidentally, seems null to me.

Nope. I don't work super proactively on catching up on games unless I'm scum.

Just saying something,

If you posted a few posts ago about not using meta when reading, Why do you want others to use meta to read you?

-ZZZX

[ZZZX]

Beast Charizard can I trust you this game ? PO power

For Some Reason PO power didn't include me.

Do you find my play THAT weird?

P.s I worked on my English considerably.

[ZZZX]

People keep saying "wehhh, cabd not posting is not to his town meta!!!" but people CONVENIENTLY fail to point out that lurking is not to his scum meta either.

To be fair, we're not saying Cabd is scum for lurking. We're saying Cabd is scum because of his opportunistic push on Josh. I expect better from a man who reads every single game on the site, and who would undoubtly know that Josh was not the first to bring up multiball, and that his thinking had been based on this assumption ever since. Also, I absolutely hate that defense. It seems pretty weak and more akin to being annoyed at being read as scum for the wrong reasons.

I don't care whether the multiball comment has been made beforehand. The wording of Josh's comment was extremely strange given the circumstances, and it doesn't really match the town-thought-process of finding scum, regardless of whether they're on different teams or not

Maybe I just don't understand it.

You better walk me through your reasoning then, and it better be good.

bulba's excitement at thinking he FINALLY got scumcabd reads pretty damn genuine. Shame he's wrong, but you'll manage one day bulba!

I've caught Cabd as scum before. I just didn't have the confidence to push him that game. I'm not making the same mistake here.

Also, from the Marvel Super Heroes role playing game.

Altered Humans (normal people who acquired powers, such as Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four)
High-Tech Wonders (normal people whose powers come from devices, e.g., Iron Man)
Mutants (persons born with superpowers, such as the X-Men)
Robots (created beings such as the Vision and Ultron)
Aliens (a blanket term used to cover non-humans, including extra-dimensional beings such as Thor and Hercules).

i like this post


very informative

How? It says absolutely nothing about this game.

Oh, I forgot to add
-your slot daykilled some random lurker for no apparent reason

im just gonna claim vt now and leave it as that

i think he fake daykilled

Then Aronis must have fake died and fake flipped as well. It's nice to know that he was an imposter thunder god. Maybe he was Loki?

-Bulba

I have noticed something about Josh that I will explain.

His comment is way too specific. I did the same once before but it was because the setup was known.

The fact is your shouldn't care about what team as town, You should care that he IS scum or not. Talking about a certain scum team so early points out either to a special PR (Think Seer) or a scum who slipped

taking Josh's Really scummy play and contradicting himself every post which makes no sense at all I find him really scummy. Enough to be a real scum. Today I will give him my "PbPA" and get him exposed!

[ZZZX]

Ive seen people before talk about scum team A and scum team B from day 1 just because there were many players in the game and mod meta.

There are ways the town will use,

F.E I would be saying I think A and B are both scummy so both can be in differant scum teams

however some ways of saying it without going too deep shows that you have something you are hiding, Which is what josh did here.

He tried to make it look town but ended up slipping

[ZZZX]

Also why are we not lynching ms?
His slot claimed a daykill and now he backtracks on it? Is that even a thing?

Idk, I will wait a while before thinking about ms.

He just replaced into the game. his slot could mean either troll or something, a mafia wouldnt want to claim the dayvig

[ZZZX]

Anyway since my predecessor claimed, I might as well do so anyway >.>

I'm a 1 shot vig and now I'm effectively IC. Yay

[ZZZX]

Josh Since I checked your iso and cant find it so.

What are your reads? The only thing you posted so far is
HUR DUR ZZZX SCUM WOLFRINE IS TOWN HUR DUR

SO Enlighten us please.

[ZZZX]

I've FoS'd ZZZX since 518
when he gave a bunch of crap reads. Check out a few pages ahead see what the responses are. I especially think it was odd that he said he was getting scum vibes, but called the player neutral. There's a disconnect there. Also this is another time he commented on my questioning of fake claims, but he doesn't seem to remember his own actions.

I'm not questioning that zzzx is one of your suspects, that's clear. I mainly want to know why, if you thought

both

zzzx and ufn were scum,

and

you thought ufn was pr scum, why you still voted zzzx?

WIFOM- Both glasses are poisoned. I still want to lynch ZZZX because I think his alignment is scum, but I know that I only have one vote, and there is more than one scum, so I'm willing to lynch others that I think are scum too. There are about 7-8 people that I think are scum. But, there's only one lynch per day. Even if I FoS'd all of them, we'd still have to wait for the continuing DP's to lynch them. In the mean time, in order to lynch scum, with probable multiball, I know that some scum are still going to be on wagons that are helpful to the town. And the short break on the UFN wagon was really a response toward Viomi, and Rufflig. For UFN, I had them as a middle scum, but I have town read on PegV. So if he picked up on some inconsistencies from that slot too, I'm willing to go with it.

JOSH USES QUESTION DODGE + UNLOGICAL ANSWER!

ZZZX USES COUNTER

Now to serious talk.

So you say that if you catch 2 scum you would leave the big wagon which aims a scum PR and go for a goon? Still doesnt make sense

Also answer my last post question. Who are your other reads?

[ZZZX]

Wow! SqG, this post totally flipped my read on you... except I can't find where you called any of those people scum. Can you link to it? Because...

In this post I discuss 8 people who I gave reads on already.
You point out that 3 of them were not clearly stated...and are not actually even correct, I had a number of flat out clear comments that you just didn't even find, making me not even sure you even managed to show that I didn't...and I'm not sure what it shows even if you did. Mostly I think you're scum though.

WHERE ARE THE CLEAR COMMENTS? I WANT YOU TO SHOW THEM TO ME! nac

I specifically asked you about displaced earlier and you called him Null. Now all of a sudden he's scum and you've called him scum before. Were you talking to people in the DP when you said it? cause you have people on you right now saying that your reads post is bogus.

FOR ****s SAKE

someone who dodges 4 posts directed at him in a row and posts after it in a way that is totally unrelated

ANYONE who doesnt find that scummy is new to mafia and should feel bad.

[ZZZX]

I... Dont know what to say

I have 2 pages of posts with 0 replies to them, I am being totally ignored

YES! I AM INVISIBLE.

gosh... This game is going to throw me insane one day

[ZZZX]

Who said that?

I am happy that you at least quoted my name i guess

[ZZZX]

Makes me sure its not mafiascum that is trolling me

[ZZZX]

Also answer my last post question. Who are your other reads?

WTF is up with your erratic posting. Earlier because you think you were ignored, and now with the again with the double spacing.

Spoiler: peaceful moment

I don't usually post a players list unless the game is stale. Which it isn't, so I'm not going to.

What about the 7 other posts in last 2 pages that I gave 7 reasons why you are playing scummy, what I want to know from you. Why are you using that kind of read

Not a single reply but this one. that didnt do anything useful at all

[ZZZX]

This is your post against me

@ZZZX, and everyone.

hey Squirrel did you draw Squirrel

#thread

-First role fishing

Where did I imply that I was a Doctor?

Are you a pumpkin that shoots lazors out of its ass?

I am pretty sure thats aweasom. Marvel prob bought it

Although, This isn't as direct as Ruflig and SqG, I still deem it role fishing,

i got the worst marvel character does anyone want to trade

I probably won't, but who did you get?

-Here's the "minor role fishing attempt" that Ruflig and displaced referred to.
My read suggests that Yates was purposely mischaracterizing the Aronis role fishing attempt. By calling post 15 the attempt, but then by not adding the continued role fishing that went along with it.

This post is uber bs that contains nothing that actually makes sense

doesn't it?

[ZZZX]

Why are you using that kind of read

Which kind of read?
Why do I think there are two teams? I've already answered this question.

Stop asking me about the same BS that I've already explained.

Why am I saying that UFN is a PR? Because you popped up so erratically with misreps, taking things out of context, displaying my posts out of order, pretending that you forgot what you said, and still you keep claiming that I was defending KidA when my purpose was to get information from BulbaFenix on a thing that I thought he was tunneling on, which turned out to be me not understanding the game mechanics. I understood that KidA could make a fake claim(claim falsely), but I didn't know that predetermined fake claims could be given by the mod before the game start. There's a difference between the two, that you don't seem to understand, or that you are denying.

Plus I don't think I need to repeat myself over and over. Just because I put my response under your quote tag doesn't mean that I'm not responding to you. Do you have a time limit on your posts? Or do you think I should be focused on every stupid post you make? If several people are asking me the same question, I expect those several people to read my posts. Like happened here:

And here:

when I responded to:

But I didn't want to make that post until it was confirmed that Yates was misrepping the situation. There are like three pages talking about the situation interrupted with your childish behavior about whether I'm using quote tags from your posts.

Also I like when you point our you responded to me in the 600s while we are above the 1k mark.

I find your reads just trying to push the lynches away which is also scummy.

[ZZZX]

After I read this I think either you guys are drunk or I am....

@theadmiral. Can you clarify? You quoted my post twice and the besides you thinking that the post is shit, I don't follow. Are the comments to the second quote related to my post or to another post?

I think we resolved my whole reliance on character claims as proof of alliance.

This:

He means shit. He means your case is shit.

It looks particularly bad because it is an attempt to pile pressure on the current lynch leader.

Was supposed to be in response to this:

ZZ could be scum, that was pretty weak.

What do you mean by pretty weak?

I think there was a ctrl-c fuckup somewhere along the line.


to clarify, however, I thought

your

post was terrible because you were attempting to drum up support for a kida lynch using his inexperience, tendency to jump from wagon to wagon, and fear that he could negatively impact the game later (when there are less people) as reasons. None of these relate to him actually being scum, just a hinderence. In fact you imply he is town with the line "what's he going to be like when the town pool is getting smaller and smaller and the scum are becoming more and more manipulative in their play style?", i.e. if you think he is liable to be manipulated by the scum clearly you don't think he is one.

Yeah, but that's the point though. i think all I did was basically re-state what was already contained in that post, and you didn't even seem to buy half of it, but suddenly your demeanor went from 'can lynch SG' to 'pals with SG' it didn't feel like a legit mental shift considering the interaction. That's why I called it out.

K. I mean does it make you think I'm scum or not. If not I don't really see the point in bringing it up.

And I've been debating this, but I suppose my answer is - yes, yes it does make me think you might be scum. Mostly because it doesn't feel like a logical mental shift, which makes me feel like the presented stances from you are false because they don't flow logically. I also feel like you're being evasive in this discussion.

cool

Nope. How many other players do you hear in this discussion? No one else cares.

Cheeky fucking scumbutt. You're right, it's quite plain no one is going to bother lynch you over what is essentially a scumclaim because they aren't paying attention. Good deduction. Keep refusing to link to a post that doesn't exist.

Why isn't this dead yet? Can I have a double vote?

I have to admit I haven't really been paying attention to rufflig. Sell me on the idea of lynching him.

Sad part: I called josh b for the reason you just called me for.. When did I say that's the reason?

Pro tip : I didn't stop saying I said things I didnt say.

Well, DP1 has been fun so far. I'm ready to move on if everyone else is. But now it's time Follow the Scarlet Witch as chaos tends to do, with a little erratic game theory and touch of wagon mongering. I'll try to add as many links as I can, but FTW this game is bungled by flame wars. I hope I can make this post as clear as possible.

Spoiler: considerate wall reduction

Pidgy486and/or Yates(499) alerted me to the probability of two scum factions in this game that has put behavior of several players into question.
At the beginning of the game(p1) 3 people came on strong as role fishing after Aronis claimed to have an awesome character.
Squirrel Girl
Ruflig
ZZZX
It isn't absurd to want to know who got what character, but the issue against these three is that both SG and Ruf were both like, "IS IT A DOCTOR?!?!"
And it was ZZZX's second attempt for role fishing, the first being against SG.

Then there's the follow up. Ruf praising SG for her knowledge(17) and SG giving a random, yet pointed role description of an antagonist character(18).

I wish she would have called dibs. We'd be sure she was scum.

Forward to SG rolefishing KidA(not that far (21)) and Ruf voting Aronis and explaining his case against Aronis's "minor role fishing"(152)

as opposed to his own full on role fishing mentioned before

Anyways, I don't want to requote the whole damn DP, I'm getting to a point. I noticed this post by Yates

Spoiler: Yate post

VOTE: Aronis

He's a gross lurker, but calling post 15 a "rolefish" is a bit of a stretch. To me it reads as a snarky reaction to:

You are Professor Doctor Awesome?

and

Maybe he's Dr. Decibel.

So two people jokingly referred to him as a "Doctor."

Referring to the primary role fishing infractions, but oops forgot to include his partner on that train.

Hello Scum

It makes me feel like the Yate's/SG war was Faction on Faction considering the misreps that were coming from both sides.

they've already been pointed out so read the DP if you want to see them for yourself.

So, That being said, For the scummiest continued game play besides these incidents. I'm voting ZZZX,

since I only get to pick one

.
VOTE: ZZZX
I know we still have some time left in the DP, but with 24 pages worth of play, I feel like I have a reasonable amount of info to place a solid vote.

When the hell did I role fish?

Fun fact; I was from the few who didn't go in that doctor argument and now I am called for it



SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE SAYING I SAID THINGS I DIDN'T



EITHER QUOTE ME OR DONT TALK ABOUT IT.


God I feel better after expressing my anger

Well I answered your case josh before 10 pages

I guess you didnt care to reply to it yet.

Well at least since yu are dayvig'd you don't need that since you are scum.

So got anything to say?

[ZZZX]

MOD can you delete post 1178. It was an accident.

Also I like when you point our you responded to me in the 600s while we are above the 1k mark.
I find your reads just trying to push the lynches away which is also scummy.

Isn't it funny how I can do that to you because you are asking me about BS that I posted 500 posts ago?
I've written a paper on this before about the second sentence because it's trivial, but you are actually confirming that you are scum.
{I find your reads just trying to push the lynches away which is also {personal alignment of poster}}. FIX THIS in your game.

Well I answered your case josh before 10 pages
I guess you didnt care to reply to it yet.
Well at least since yu are dayvig'd you don't need that since you are scum.
So got anything to say?

You've outed your whole team. WE ARE GOING to LYNCH Unfriendly Neighbors, WE ARE GOING to LYNCH ZZZX, WE ARE GOING to LYNCH MetalSonic.
Viomi, You'll get yours too.

VOTE UFN!! LOOK at the post that happened before I was dayviged.[/quote]


Well you posted BS 500 posts ago and are still doing so, The last reply you did was 500 posts ago to me, and It had an extreme ammount of BS and you didnt even defend your self.


And outed team? Sorry but your way of thinking is weird

Lets say for a moment that I was a scum. (Which I am not)

So any half assed scum would try to lessen contact to his scum partners or bus them. Idk about you making me "scum partner" with every single person I town read. (Even thou I had not a single interaction with UFN that is worth mentioning.

Ok now think again. I had no interactions with Metal Sonic's slot pre- Replace, And lets say we were scum. (Which again we are not.) The best course of action is lay low since we both did not get to discuss during pre-game since he replaced in.

Now Back to reality. This is a way of scum reading which is basically thinking like a scum. I honestly see all things I said here done by you. You refuse to give reads and also try to lessen your communication with a number of people around you.

Also your push on me had no reason and its still there, Reminds me of That one mafia game...

[ZZZX]

that refers to me, by the way. Claimed vig with used up all his shots = IC?

No, I think its a Named Townie. Since IC is confirmed town by mod but a dayvig could be mafia or SK.

Just saying that for what it really is.

[ZZZX]

Well you posted BS 500 posts ago and are still doing so, The last reply you did was 500 posts ago to me, and It had an extreme ammount of BS and you didnt even defend your self.


And outed team? Sorry but your way of thinking is weird
Lets say for a moment that I was a scum. (Which I am not)

So any half assed scum would try to lessen contact to his scum partners or bus them.

Idk about you making me "scum partner" with every single person I town read. (Even thou I had not a single interaction with UFN that is worth mentioning.
Ok now think again.

I had no interactions with Metal Sonic's slot pre- Replace

, And lets say we were scum. (Which again we are not.) The best course of action is lay low since we both did not get to discuss during pre-game since he replaced in.
Now Back to reality. This is a way of scum reading which is basically thinking like a scum. I honestly see all things I said here done by you. You refuse to give reads and also try to lessen your communication with a number of people around you.

Also your push on me had no reason and its still there, Reminds me of That one mafia game...

FVCK YOU. YOu are on the Mafia team. IDGAF if MetalSonic is on your team or not. TWO Day Vig's from two different people in the same slot against the towniest towns= SCUM.

WAT? So your case on me is

"FVCK YOU?"
'
And I actually am loving MS for this daykill on you. You are driving me insane

[ZZZX]

you know what

vote: joshb

just to make sure it stays as a viable option

Now people who want to vote josh can't be like "I'd vote him, but it doesn't have enough traction". I think it could get enough traction for a lynch if all the 50/50's voted.

Now I remember why I like ThA, he's got a reasonable mind.

More votes on scummy Josh_B please and thanks.

Umbrage, nobody is going for your little shenanigan vote.

tbh i dont think this guy is scum anymore, just unbelievably bad at this game



question though: how did he know what is a dayvig? but did not know what is a gambit? but considering my predecessor fired the shot earlier on i guess this isnt too much of a conundrum then.

Well you failed the reaction test you did because the guy in your slot didnt talk in thread for the dayvig

[ZZZX]

Out of the two wagons that are on atm I think the ruffing one is the best. But its sad the Josh_B Wagon is away.

VOTE: The Ruffing

[ZZZX]

2:30 remains

Anyone who doesn't vote now will be caught
I will keep on players online tab to know.

[ZZZX]

I still find josh scummy but I still need some more re-reading

Vote: Josh

again meanwhile

Also how is yates slot confirmed town? We could have many scum teams as the whole last day arguement went.

[ZZZX]

oh god. I forgot to visit mafia for a day and all this happens.

Will catch up 2moro. I have an exam 2moro.

[ZZZX]

Can someone tell me why the pressure is focused on me suddenly? I am surprised in the start of a day that I said nothing in good bulbasaur fenix is somehow thinking I am scum after reading me as town last day?

I will get re-reading the day and will have a fury of posts in next few minites

[ZZZX]

Can someone tell me why the pressure is focused on me suddenly? I am surprised in the start of a day that I said nothing in good bulbasaur fenix is somehow thinking I am scum after reading me as town last day?

I will get re-reading the day and will have a fury of posts in next few minites

[ZZZX]

maybe ZZX

Care to explain your reasoning for reading me as scum?

[ZZZX]

maybe ZZX

Care to explain your reasoning for reading me as scum?

[ZZZX]

I love double day action it makes me want to hip shoot someone right now



Let's not be rash


I don't think Pv is scum because that would mean he would be scum in all the games is play with him

I'm going to tell you this, if you shoot A-N-Y-O-N-E!! You better shoot ZZX or KidA.

~Fenix

Amused at wanting me dead. Explain? I see people reading me off as either scum or town and in the former giving not a single reason

[ZZZX]

and a SG scum kinda makes me think Mala scum so I'ma vote that and then do some reading

vote:Mala

Why does SG-scum equal Mala-scum?

Also, can anyone come up with a second scumteam name that would be plausible at all? Or is this an SK/vig?

I don't think the name has anything to do with it. Its plausible that the SG/Ruff team (we'll call it nutruffs) shot Thad and the other team shot SG. Or Thad could be the lone scum kill and SG is vig/sk. *shrugz*

Given the unique faction name and the warning about possible incursion threats, I'm pretty sure this is multiball. Why are you trying to dismiss the possibility?

I still find josh scummy but I still need some more re-reading

Vote: Josh

again meanwhile

Also how is yates slot confirmed town? We could have many scum teams as the whole last day arguement went.

This is still scum. Continuing to tunnel on Josh (who I believe scum really want dead), while simultaneously pushing the theory that got Josh into trouble in the first place.

How was your reading session, bulba?

I was wrong. You're town.

I love double day action it makes me want to hip shoot someone right now



Let's not be rash


I don't think Pv is scum because that would mean he would be scum in all the games is play with him

Fine. Talking with Bulba now. Shoot KidA. NOW! Shoot him, NOW! The reason why Bulba says so is because we're looking over the SG and Ruffles ISO, and SG overlooked something that she should not have as town.

~Fenix

Now????

Can I do it later

i got the worst marvel character does anyone want to trade

i got wolverine can i just say that im someone else

from now on im paste pot pete

going to hammer if nobody objects

Metal Sonic. Shoot. Kid A. Now.

Someone talk to me about Yates, why didn't Rufling vote him?

No clue. My best guess is to set the slot up after he was lynched. However, there is no way that Yates and Squirrel Girl were scum together.

Nero scumhunting for only 1 team worries me.

-Bulba

If scum wanted someone dead they can nightkill him. Also why do scum want him dead?

[ZZZX]

I'm probably going to be V/LA for a little while. My daughter, broke my laptop screen. Also I didn't want to rush into this DP and possibly miss scum.
I had a long thing to post about some things, but it disapeared into the purpley mess that has taken over the entire PC. This is a tablet post, and I like haveing a keyboard, so it's going to be shorter and have less quotes than the original.

Nero, chandra, I like your analysis on the NK's but seriously I don't see how ruflig confirms the people on your list as town. I'm still suspecting multiball. If anything it prove thst thes displaced is probably scum. Now that SqG doesn't have daychat and her team doesn't either, hahahaha!. It probably means displaced is confirmed scum based bn my earlier reads.

ZZZX, Don't tunnel me this whole DP. It isn'[t worth it.

@moz. I'm not sure why TheAd was NK'd. I didn't think about him having a scum read on me. but if that's the case, ZZZX, viomi and even MS would have been better targets. Since everyone knows I'm town and I already softclaimed to BeastCharizard. I'm not going to do it again.

and Nero, seriously Ruf and Sqg were on the same team. Let's call it MUVA like it says. ?SqG a VIG?Malakittens scum? that's just misleading nonsense. So anyways. I still think ZZZX is scum, obviously the NK's mean nothing to him and he's still a carrots stealing gopher (tunneling) but we'll see as the DP progresses.

No vote for now. I'll check in as often as I can.

Well this post is the first townish thing he posted so far.

[ZZZX]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p5869556]

And I completely agree with Viomi being the worst.

Considering I hadn't even gotten a chance to POST yet, of fucking COURSE it didn't get a follow up yet.

At that post, yes. However, you had enough time from then (the time you made that post), til deadline to make your case. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say you were coaching your partner within the thread, letting them know ahead of time that you were going to be attacking them and to not worry/lose their cool.

How is a reaction test that worked and resulted in Josh_B jumping on a wagon just like I predicted his scummy ass would "weak reasoning"?

Because Josh is so town it hurts. I'd be willing to eat my hat collection if he flips scum.

Considering if Metal Sonic's shot is real, then it wouldn't be something new, as I always get shot or killed early on. I don't get how that makes me bad town, it doesn't help town to have more town dead at all?

But that's the thing though, MS is bs'ing with the dayvig in thread thing. Cause unless the mod themselves comes in and says, YOU'RE DEAD! I take any 'dayvig X' (that comes from him or any player that tries to pull that stunt) with a grain of salt and move on.

Are you stupid or just blind? Since when did Viomi, notoriously no fucks given, care about keeping blood off her hands? And secondly, that post is trying to get traction in the first place; so I don't see how it's trying to make "someone else" do the dirty work, as was stated (by you I believe, not going to find the quote.)

You can find the quote all you want, it still reads the same and it won't change when you find it. Why are YOU not getting down and getting into the grit of actually laying out a case against Josh if you find him so scummy? That's how you get who/what you want lynched in this game, you lay out a case.

Wow, you're really working on that posture for tomorrow, eh?

No, cool with lynching Yates or Rufflig, and I think we should be debating between those two, as opposed to lynching Josh, who is not scum.

Instead of just saying stuff as if it's facts instead of the crazy voices in your head, why don't you give us an example as to

why

Josh isn't scum?

Very, VERY accusing when not even trying to put a case down for why josh WAS/IS scummy.

I always point out bad logic. Don't see how it's scummy.

Because logically, those 2 were the 2 wagons we were debating between yesterday. You had NO reasoning in your argument against josh accept sticking your fingers in your ear and going 'lalalalala josh is scum. lalalalaalalalalala'.

~Fenix

Can we PLEASE string this up today!?

~Fenix

PE: Fuck this embed policy bullshit. I had to cut to properly respond and it's annoying as shit to have to do that.

Do many colors

anyway it seems you are eating your hat collection soon.

[ZZZX]

I think her "no mala wasn't trolling" seems like the soft type of defense from scum.

I don't see that.

Except it doesn't really say anything like that.

Note some bad guys may not be from the Marvel Universe due to 'incursions'

I also explicitly stated that the two shots could be scum/scum.

You seem to be focusing a lot more on vig or SK.

Josh-the players that Ruf/SG are most likely NOT on their team. So they are 50% conf town. Though Ruff not voting Yates is pretty mind boggling dumb. Its not impossible for Yates to get ran up and then Ruff. Was Yates a Ruff buddy? Did they think Yates was other scum and were trying to placate them?

Stop focusing on Ruff. SG's posts show that Yates is not scum with them.

TWIE has also not towned it up like last game.

He's posted once. I'm not sure how much he could be expected to town it up in a single post.

Hey bulba now that you did your meta homework and came around, wanna be in thread masons with me and wreck some shit?

Absolutely.

I still feel Josh is likely scum but I'm willing to listen to those making a case that it's a town derp.

Josh is town. His confusion regarding fake claims was genuine, and I've liked his scumhunting and thought process. I think he got close yesterday in regards to who is scum, and I think scum really want him dead. Essentially, not only do I think his posts show scumhunting and him being obv. town, but I don't like those that are pushing his wagon.

I'm the REAL squirrel girl, so there's that!

Girl power?

So can we kindly stop fucking shooting from the hip without asking for claims or anything? Because that would be super nice. Also "stabbed in the bacK' is one helluva flavor. Sonic, what is your character and why is he backstabbing?

Metal would it absolutely kill you to stop impulse shooting and act as a fucking second lynch?

I asked MS to shoot Kid A. I thought I saw clear associative signs that he was the last Marvel scum, but I was clearly wrong. Regardless, it was a good shot and rid the town of a useless slot and potential liability.

Vote ZZZX

-Bulba

Try to talk about who you vote before you vote them. you mention me once 3 pages ago and now vote me with 0 wording

Trying to make a wagon happen?

[ZZZX]

I think her "no mala wasn't trolling" seems like the soft type of defense from scum.

I don't see that.

Except it doesn't really say anything like that.

Note some bad guys may not be from the Marvel Universe due to 'incursions'

I also explicitly stated that the two shots could be scum/scum.

You seem to be focusing a lot more on vig or SK.

Josh-the players that Ruf/SG are most likely NOT on their team. So they are 50% conf town. Though Ruff not voting Yates is pretty mind boggling dumb. Its not impossible for Yates to get ran up and then Ruff. Was Yates a Ruff buddy? Did they think Yates was other scum and were trying to placate them?

Stop focusing on Ruff. SG's posts show that Yates is not scum with them.

TWIE has also not towned it up like last game.

He's posted once. I'm not sure how much he could be expected to town it up in a single post.

Hey bulba now that you did your meta homework and came around, wanna be in thread masons with me and wreck some shit?

Absolutely.

I still feel Josh is likely scum but I'm willing to listen to those making a case that it's a town derp.

Josh is town. His confusion regarding fake claims was genuine, and I've liked his scumhunting and thought process. I think he got close yesterday in regards to who is scum, and I think scum really want him dead. Essentially, not only do I think his posts show scumhunting and him being obv. town, but I don't like those that are pushing his wagon.

I'm the REAL squirrel girl, so there's that!

Girl power?

So can we kindly stop fucking shooting from the hip without asking for claims or anything? Because that would be super nice. Also "stabbed in the bacK' is one helluva flavor. Sonic, what is your character and why is he backstabbing?

Metal would it absolutely kill you to stop impulse shooting and act as a fucking second lynch?

I asked MS to shoot Kid A. I thought I saw clear associative signs that he was the last Marvel scum, but I was clearly wrong. Regardless, it was a good shot and rid the town of a useless slot and potential liability.

Vote ZZZX

-Bulba

Try to talk about who you vote before you vote them. you mention me once 3 pages ago and now vote me with 0 wording

Trying to make a wagon happen?

[ZZZX]

Don't ask me to full claim until mass claim

I noticed you are alive, That means we might have a doctor too.Or that you are fake claiming or that you are scum. Good things to note.

I expect the 2nd

[ZZZX]

elektra

Super sonic eh... lol

[ZZZX]

I'm elektra, 2 shot vig, ultimate assassin and super sonic agility


There u go

I am so sure this is fake thou. Just telling you that if you were town vig with 2 shots you will safe at least 1 for later. Not random hipfire. That makes or a vanilla townie usually but you are trying to make more confusion. Your gamble was way too clear to be a gamble and viomi reaction was made. I smell mafia bus?

[ZZZX]

Besides I only shot once. And hindsight really is 20/20 so I'm not sure you would have thought kid a was town until he flipped town

Twice?

[ZZZX]

Besides I only shot once. And hindsight really is 20/20 so I'm not sure you would have thought kid a was town until he flipped town

Twice?

[ZZZX]

Your shot was fucking dumb even if he would have been scum. It was based on fucking gut, a day hasnt even passed in the game day, and if you are town it was just an impulssive and stupid way to kill him. Fucking admit that.

And no if you are town scum dont see you as a threat, yo are killing townies left and right. Stop insisting you made a fkn good pick, it fucking sucked

A good scum would instead try to fire a better shot possibly hitting some other scum from his team for town cred. Thats why this si weird unless he was sk or he had just a single or two partners left. Not sure thou. I never heard of town dayvigs that can send private daykills requests

[ZZZX]

O HEY LOOKIT THIS

so you understand that emoticons, excessive friendliness, and terms of endearment like "sweetie-poo dearie" will be seen as scummy, yet you amp it up and make a mention of how you're going to be in trouble this game

You're drawing attention to yourself, so then you can say "oh no I'm not scummy, that's just the way I post". Why? To get people off of pidgey?

One thing's for sure, what you're doing is anti-town, and it seems delibrate. Explain yourself please.

I'm aware that one person made a comment that they found excessive smilies to be a scumtell and said I'd be in trouble. A glance at any of my other games should show that my "smilie usage amount" is pretty consistent and constant, and I was making a joke about that. I am not aware of anyone calling 'excessive friendliness and terms of endearment' to be scummy. If the former...well, that person is probably just a sad person. And if the latter then they'll lynch the syrup lady long before they lynch me, so at least I'll have warning about it and can change my ways.

I don't think using smilies, being friendly, or using cutsey names is "anti-town" and reject your question based on that being a ridiculous stance to even take. I might as well suggest that everyone who is snarky, sarcastic, or rude is anti-town, and I would have probably more validity to the claim, but it would still be wrong.

I know you don't think it's anti-town or scummy. But you know that other people do think that. So why would you want to draw attention to it? I can't think of any town motivation.

also I love the progression from this:

Except if you actually read the posts, you'll see that my beef it isn't a defense - it's noticing meta. I would have said pretty much the same thing if he did this to about three other people off the top of my head. So, again, you're just wrong.

I can understand that's your stance. I disagree with you.

to this:

Vote: Yates

And I'm here now too.

from "you're wrong but I see why you would think that" to "you're scum" in two posts.

SG is scum, I'm certain of it now. Look how many little digs she gets in at Yates. She's found a mislynch target and is throwing everything she's got at it.

SERIOUSLY WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE VOTING YATES

HE'S WRONG AS SHIT BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM SCUM

What about the

way

that he's wrong? I agree that being wrong doesn't equate to scum - but does he actually go and be wrong like this as town? Like, he cherry picks and intentionally builds bogus cases and acts like it's legit and bully people as town?

you keep on saying it's intentional bad behaviour, when there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that

THAT SAID, i do still find it a bit weird SG called me town (though apperantly she didnt, or at least she is saying i was null back then now)

I've quoted what I said multiple times. If you can get a quote of me calling you town then I'll defend the accusation that I called you town. I know Yates *wishes* to present that as what I said, but it's provably another mistake/lie/misrep on his part to try to spread misinformation.

you said you had a gut town read on pidgey, it's a valid question, and you're the one misrepping constantly

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

no moz is town take your vot off him

How do you know?
You say that lawdy dawdy everybody is town. Misreping my vote, is a sure sign of scumness and I'm going to hold to that.

moz disagrees with you, he's scum

I disagree with you, I'm scum

when did omgus become the new meta?

Because I know he's scum. If that freaks you out you can move to Josh, I'd be pretty happy with that lynch too.

you are either scum or really bad at this

SO WHY HAVE I NOT BEEN ELECTED TOWN GOD YET?



Viomi is frustrated town. If you fake a daykill on someone they are going to flip out. Jesus fucking Christ.




If there are two scum teams, Metal Sonic is town. If there's one scum team and an SK/3rd party, he's the SK.



Really don't like Chandra's sudden activity. If I had to guess, SG told him he had to be more active in the QT.

Day 1 Votecount 14

Yates 8 - Squirrel Girl,Kid A, Aunt Jemina,Nero Cain,beastcharizard,UnfriendlyNeighbors,Metal Sonic, displaced,
The Ruffling 5 - pidgey,BulbaFenix,Chandra Nalaar,mozamis,vezokpiraka,
Josh_B 3 - ZZZX,Viomi,ThAdmiral
UnfriendlyNeighbors 2 - Josh_B,PeregrineV,
Mozamis 1 - UniversalSlutBus,
KidA 1 - Malakittens
Viomi 1 - The Rufflig
beastcharizard 1 - Umbrage

Not Voting

Yates
ArcAngel9

V/LA

Mac
vezokpiraka (Sunday)

Prods

UniversalSlutBus

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-05-02 13:08:05)

till Day 1 Deadline

This was the last VC before the Rufflig wagon really took off. There has GOT to be bussing scum on his wagon here. Probably not pidgey or Bulba. So that leaves Chandra, moz, and vezok. Will be ISOing them today.

You could have been bussing but only time will tell about that eh.

[ZZZX]

O HEY LOOKIT THIS

so you understand that emoticons, excessive friendliness, and terms of endearment like "sweetie-poo dearie" will be seen as scummy, yet you amp it up and make a mention of how you're going to be in trouble this game

You're drawing attention to yourself, so then you can say "oh no I'm not scummy, that's just the way I post". Why? To get people off of pidgey?

One thing's for sure, what you're doing is anti-town, and it seems delibrate. Explain yourself please.

I'm aware that one person made a comment that they found excessive smilies to be a scumtell and said I'd be in trouble. A glance at any of my other games should show that my "smilie usage amount" is pretty consistent and constant, and I was making a joke about that. I am not aware of anyone calling 'excessive friendliness and terms of endearment' to be scummy. If the former...well, that person is probably just a sad person. And if the latter then they'll lynch the syrup lady long before they lynch me, so at least I'll have warning about it and can change my ways.

I don't think using smilies, being friendly, or using cutsey names is "anti-town" and reject your question based on that being a ridiculous stance to even take. I might as well suggest that everyone who is snarky, sarcastic, or rude is anti-town, and I would have probably more validity to the claim, but it would still be wrong.

I know you don't think it's anti-town or scummy. But you know that other people do think that. So why would you want to draw attention to it? I can't think of any town motivation.

also I love the progression from this:

Except if you actually read the posts, you'll see that my beef it isn't a defense - it's noticing meta. I would have said pretty much the same thing if he did this to about three other people off the top of my head. So, again, you're just wrong.

I can understand that's your stance. I disagree with you.

to this:

Vote: Yates

And I'm here now too.

from "you're wrong but I see why you would think that" to "you're scum" in two posts.

SG is scum, I'm certain of it now. Look how many little digs she gets in at Yates. She's found a mislynch target and is throwing everything she's got at it.

SERIOUSLY WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE VOTING YATES

HE'S WRONG AS SHIT BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM SCUM

What about the

way

that he's wrong? I agree that being wrong doesn't equate to scum - but does he actually go and be wrong like this as town? Like, he cherry picks and intentionally builds bogus cases and acts like it's legit and bully people as town?

you keep on saying it's intentional bad behaviour, when there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that

THAT SAID, i do still find it a bit weird SG called me town (though apperantly she didnt, or at least she is saying i was null back then now)

I've quoted what I said multiple times. If you can get a quote of me calling you town then I'll defend the accusation that I called you town. I know Yates *wishes* to present that as what I said, but it's provably another mistake/lie/misrep on his part to try to spread misinformation.

you said you had a gut town read on pidgey, it's a valid question, and you're the one misrepping constantly

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

no moz is town take your vot off him

How do you know?
You say that lawdy dawdy everybody is town. Misreping my vote, is a sure sign of scumness and I'm going to hold to that.

moz disagrees with you, he's scum

I disagree with you, I'm scum

when did omgus become the new meta?

Because I know he's scum. If that freaks you out you can move to Josh, I'd be pretty happy with that lynch too.

you are either scum or really bad at this

SO WHY HAVE I NOT BEEN ELECTED TOWN GOD YET?



Viomi is frustrated town. If you fake a daykill on someone they are going to flip out. Jesus fucking Christ.




If there are two scum teams, Metal Sonic is town. If there's one scum team and an SK/3rd party, he's the SK.



Really don't like Chandra's sudden activity. If I had to guess, SG told him he had to be more active in the QT.

Day 1 Votecount 14

Yates 8 - Squirrel Girl,Kid A, Aunt Jemina,Nero Cain,beastcharizard,UnfriendlyNeighbors,Metal Sonic, displaced,
The Ruffling 5 - pidgey,BulbaFenix,Chandra Nalaar,mozamis,vezokpiraka,
Josh_B 3 - ZZZX,Viomi,ThAdmiral
UnfriendlyNeighbors 2 - Josh_B,PeregrineV,
Mozamis 1 - UniversalSlutBus,
KidA 1 - Malakittens
Viomi 1 - The Rufflig
beastcharizard 1 - Umbrage

Not Voting

Yates
ArcAngel9

V/LA

Mac
vezokpiraka (Sunday)

Prods

UniversalSlutBus

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-05-02 13:08:05)

till Day 1 Deadline

This was the last VC before the Rufflig wagon really took off. There has GOT to be bussing scum on his wagon here. Probably not pidgey or Bulba. So that leaves Chandra, moz, and vezok. Will be ISOing them today.

You could have been bussing but only time will tell about that eh.

[ZZZX]

Also I find it funny how aunt j calls zzzx


Zexxy

Lol!

I was called yyzzyx with random names everytime. But at least Zexxy is consitent

[ZZZX]

I think if we are going to try to confirm multiball, zzzx is the way to go.
I'm not seeing the t8wn in him thos game that everyone is suggesting.
Can someone make a town case on that?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: zzzx

I ain't commenting at that. Your reasoning is that you cant see me as t8wn but I see myself as town.

[ZZZX]

Can someone tell me why the pressure is focused on me suddenly?

It's not but this question makes me go

Well when I tried to view from my phone it seemed to be suddely. I found bulba and someone else (cant remeber who) kinda tunneling me so hard and screaming with a shoot zzx stuff or something

[ZZZX]

you post in a very ugly manner

Always did, Will always do .

#MikeChangMemorys

[ZZZX]

There's spam posting and then there's spam posting. This is pretty remorseless ZZZX, please tone it down a lil.

The only wagon of note is on Viomi, which is why Im confused by your 'under pressure' claim

That claim was just after I read a page only, where I was kinda surprised.

[ZZZX]

There's spam posting and then there's spam posting. This is pretty remorseless ZZZX, please tone it down a lil.

The only wagon of note is on Viomi, which is why Im confused by your 'under pressure' claim

That claim was just after I read a page only, where I was kinda surprised.

[ZZZX]

and its called

memories


not memorys

Grammar freak. Also I like to refer to any game that I enjoyed if I want to. Also double and triple posting was my style since.. Forever but fine.

[ZZZX]

My PC ended up doing it once or twice. not my mistake.

Anywya can we get back on topic?

[ZZZX]

WHat do you think about bulba and why?

[ZZZX]

i think they are very cool players because i played with them before and they are very exciting and trustable

I think I played with bulba before. not sure about fenix but there play style is kinda scummy. i am not sure thou.

[ZZZX]

apparently not

>zzzx gone

Went to eat bro

[ZZZX]

your play style is kinda scummy too lol

do you have anything better to say

I ment he isnt the usual him I guess. But it might be an effect of hyra'ing

But I always play like dat

[ZZZX]

you do know that there are 2 people in that account playing it right?

Yea

[ZZZX]

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHO THE FUCK TOLD METAL SONIC AND ZZZX THAT THEY COULD SCUMHUNT

OR HAD INTERESTING POSTS

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY I'M NOT READING THIS SHIT

Its a natural reaction. If I ever argue with metal it takes 2-260 pages of useless crap.

Then we both vote scum and end game

[ZZZX]

Umbrage, explain your Viomi townread to me, if you would?

I see absolutely nothing to indicate that she's scum, I just see a townie frustrated with having to deal with Metal Sonic doing fake daykills and other bullshit.

Well metal sonic daykill that he did was so freaking clear to be fake I dont know what to say about it.

[ZZZX]

Umbrage, explain your Viomi townread to me, if you would?

I see absolutely nothing to indicate that she's scum, I just see a townie frustrated with having to deal with Metal Sonic doing fake daykills and other bullshit.

Well metal sonic daykill that he did was so freaking clear to be fake I dont know what to say about it.

[ZZZX]

@MOD URGENT V/LA for 2 days

[ZZZX]

Back from V/LA and I am amused from the really low post count... well i will comment about them soon enough

[ZZZX]

Just thought I'd let everyone know, I took a quick look at pages 66, 67, and 68, and immediately closed them.

I. Am. Not. Reading. This. Shit.

VOTE: ZZZX because I cannot fucking read this game with his constant shitposting. Regardless of actual alignment, he and Metal Sonic are the most anti-town players in the game.

I normally hate policy lynches, but I HAVE NO OTHER FUCKING CHOICE HERE.

FUCK YOU TWO EGOTISTICAL ASSHOLES, YOU POMPOUS AIRHEADS WHO THINK YOUR SHIT DOESN'T STINK. FUCK YOU BOTH.

This also doesn't explain the difference in reactions in joshb and viomi, despite both being subject to a similar dayvig gambit and both claiming to be upset

What if I told you

Me and Josh_B are different people

And therefore react in different ways?

*gasp*

Well if I had to pick 2 words out of the first quote that I would consider important i would try the words "This account".

Since the link in his signiture goes to another accounts profile I would guess that the account hes playing on is to purposefully play against his meta that he plays on that account. And its also not that hard to find a reference to his "hydra" that isnt really a hydra but rather the account where he combines his two accounts seperate playstyles and plays like that. (it would be great if viomi confirmed this though)

Like you quoted him saying that on "this account" and then he asked you to go look at another account he plays on and you totally disregarded it.

My point isn't that viomi is town so much as it is that your case on him sucks shit.

Her*

And this is correct.

This account was to ignore meta from my other account, Chrimi, since I have two different playstyles. It was also supposed to have no meta, but since I have played on it a lot recently, it has developed a meta.

yep, this is VI town posting

everyone get off Viomi and on ZZZX or Sonic plz

we might not lynch scum but we'll make the game readable

I once spammed last page. And even then others used to spam even more than me. I find you redirecting the vote into us and telling other to rather scummy yet giving you a town read. Why? Because behind those evil looks there is a body willing to do what it takes to bring town to a better statue.


Or it could be me saying random shit

[ZZZX]

You should all play nice.

VOTE: ZZZX

What are you even saying? That post had no content to be found.

It has. Also how does my typing something that isnt totally scum hunting just after my V/LA post replying to someone scummy? lol

Umb's Vote on me was for town. Your vote was scummy as fuck. I might as well vote you for your vote. Its not just an OMGUS it has a reason and I think It might be right

Vote: Beast

[ZZZX]

You should all play nice.

VOTE: ZZZX

What are you even saying? That post had no content to be found.

It has. Also how does my typing something that isnt totally scum hunting just after my V/LA post replying to someone scummy? lol

Umb's Vote on me was for town. Your vote was scummy as fuck. I might as well vote you for your vote. Its not just an OMGUS it has a reason and I think It might be right

Vote: Beast

OMGUS

Way to fucking ruin my townread on you yesterday

VOTE: ZZZX

Chandra is still other scumread, for those of you curious.

Now I am impressed. I read you null but let me remind you of things you should know as a vet:

1- Omgus isnt a scum-read
2- That wasn't Omgus
3- CHAINSAW DEFENCE
4- Quick change of reads eh?
Good way to move my read of you from null to scum

[ZZZX]

Can someone tell me why the pressure is focused on me suddenly?

Nervous scum is nervous.

Its called the effect of returning from v/la - A new day where thing just went wat before u even spoke

I am surprised in the start of a day that I said nothing in good bulbasaur fenix is somehow thinking I am scum after reading me as town last day?

We've been scumreading you since the beginning of the game. Keep flailing, though. This is amusing.

After re-reading you you basically scumread me in a single post. Thats it

If scum wanted someone dead they can nightkill him.

Not if they think they can get him lynched.

Nah if they think so they might keep him for lylo and abuse his scummyness to lynch him later. Scum should go for lynches that can save them from pro-town players who might suspect them

Also why do scum want him dead?

I think he might have been dead on with some of his scum reads on d1, around where the Josh-scum push really began.

Try to talk about who you vote before you vote them. you mention me once 3 pages ago and now vote me with 0 wording

This is a lie. We've been talking about you being scum for awhile. Heck, we pushed you d1.

That is a lie. Want me to quote it?

Trying to make a wagon happen?

Not at the moment. We want to lynch your partner first.

Well that doesnt make sense at all.

Don't ask me to full claim until mass claim

I noticed you are alive, That means we might have a doctor too.Or that you are fake claiming or that you are scum. Good things to note.

I expect the 2nd

Look. Mudslinging.

Instead this is theory making. If we end up losing a doctor and MS not dying as dayvig it will be weird as fuck

Your gamble was way too clear to be a gamble and viomi reaction was made. I smell mafia bus?

This is scum knowing that Viomi's flipping scum will incriminate him and trying to tie MS to the flip ahead of time.

Again theory crafting

A good scum would instead try to fire a better shot possibly hitting some other scum from his team for town cred.

Your reasoning is that you cant see me as t8wn but I see myself as town.

And obviously you are a trustworthy source.

Sorry you dont find it a trust worthy one but I find it a confirmed source

I think I played with bulba before.

I don't remember you. Remind me if I'm wrong.

No.. Please dont make me hunt the forums again to find the game i was in... But I will try to find it.

your play style is kinda scummy too lol

do you have anything better to say

I ment he isnt the usual him I guess. But it might be an effect of hyra'ing

But I always play like dat

I thought you just got done saying you'd never played with Fenix before?

Yea I am sure I didnt play with Fenix

but if im fooled like in l4d2 like stal did well i'll be damned

Stal was transparent scum. I called him out d1. Heck, he should have been lynched after the herder claim, but I guess I should give up trying to expect town to lynch conf. scum after NY171.

Kid A was, Wolverine Vanilla Town Stabbed in the back day 2

That is what trusting them will produce.

So is this:

The Ruffling was Ultron. Marvel Universe Villain Alliance mafia Encryptor lynched day 1

Also, Fenix wants me to tell you that we're switching to Log Cabin for our breakfast pancakes and french toast from now on. Whatever that means...

It means that he hates Aunt Jemima syrup, now.

I prefer Mrs. Butterworth myself.

It should be noted that BulbyFenny is also slightly on my meta list, in that BulbyFenny fooling me is not to be unexpected on D1, especially given multiball, but now that I know it is multiball and that BulbyFenny is approaching this game like multiball, it paints their posting (in particular, Bulby's) in a different light. I am quite aware of their skill in that environment, and looking town while furthering their scum faction's wincon is something they are frighteningly good at doing.

I'm pretty skillful as scum in general. I don't think it has to do with multiball. Also, Fenix is pretty transparent as scum if you know what you're looking for. We have yet to play a scum game with this hydra, so I'm not sure how the combination of our two styles would fare in that situation.

Could you now expound on the more important part and answer why you insisted several times that Sonic should shoot "now"?

I thought that Kid A was the last member of the Marvel scum team, and I wanted to get rid of the extra NK. I thought it was best to do so early, so as to not disrupt scuhunting by resetting the vote count, and by taking hunting for 2 teams out of consideration.

So unless you can point to where the reasoning for shooting immediately is, I'd prefer a better answer.

That's the best you're going to get.

Viomi is a shit lynch that gives us no information.

I actually think her lynch will give us a lot of information. There are some great associatives in connection with her.

She thought she was dead and threw a fit. I've done it countless times as town.

Except the way she did so was more indicative of scum than town.

For fuck's sake, why is NOBODY ELSE looking at the Rufflig lynch? There was likely bussing on that wagon early on. There was likely opposing scum/SK on it closer to lynch.

I haven't done half the research I want to do in connection with this game. I plan on getting to it, but I'd like to deal with the present situation. If you think that VCA is such an urgent task, why don't you do it?

And you guys are fucking around with someone who did fuck-all D1?

I'm not seeing the downside here.

Come on. We have a plethora of information and what happens? A dick measuring contest between Sonic and ZZZX. It's getting fucking painful to read this thread.

If you cared just as much about case building as you do complaining, you might actually be useful in this game.

On to page 70.

-Bulba

[ZZZX]

Noticed noone from scum team 1 voted Ruffling?

I think this is a good place to start.

[ZZZX]

Noticed noone from scum team 1 voted Ruffling?

I think this is a good place to start.

you mean the on vote or off voters and if off voters what segement do you expect to see scum?

The final vote count had noone of the ruffing team shown to be on the wagon.

[ZZZX]

Noticed noone from scum team 1 voted Ruffling?

I think this is a good place to start.

you mean the on vote or off voters and if off voters what segement do you expect to see scum?

The final vote count had noone of the ruffing team shown to be on the wagon.

one was ruffing, the other SQ. Doesn't mean much. Where do you expect to see the scum?

Pretty much seperated in the other wagons.

Do you find it funny both the current wagons were not on ruffing for example?

I guess going for either of them is fine for me

[ZZZX]

I hadnt left a vote duh

vote: ZXXX

Would love if you dont make name look so... inappropriate lol

Otherwise I dont understand your vote but eh.

[ZZZX]

tbh it might change but i just dont think you are townie because you are emotional. Some of your call outs seem out of place.

Im not in sync with this game as much as id love to but ill try to remedy that, but particularly your callout on D1 on me because i had a lot of empty posts seemed so shit that its still in the back of my mind bugging me.

That's honestly my basis of the vote.

zxxxx when town is scummier than me

#badmeta

Nearly everyone who started mafia in PO posts many many short posts. Is emotional. and is as scummy as fuck.

Makes me so damn paranoid to all thme mafia scummers

[ZZZX]

Encryptor and JailKeeper are strong roles? MetalSonic as town should indicate a certain mafia advantage to some degree, either in numbers or in PR's for balance.

I can't believe I'm still responding to this drivel but I guess I'm kinda invested at this point.
-Encryptor is enormously powerful.
-I expect that other team to be all goons with maybe, MAYBE a godfather or a roleblocker or something.
-Why should it? How is Metal Sonic's role strong, he's shooting townies. Also, you're assuming he is actually town, which makes one of us.

This is about you thinking that he's not MUVA, not about whether or not he's scum. With two people off the MUVA team gone, I really expected a lot more input from their remaining players. Displaced and Vezok have both been very accommodating.

No it's not. I /don't have an opinion about which scumteam my suspects are on right now/ because /I don't care that much/. What it's about is you making an assertion about which mafia team someone is on, an incredibly bold claim since we don't even know they're scum, and being completely unable to give me a reason why you believe this. Meanwhile, you continue to ignore figuratively everyone telling you there probably aren't 4 Marvel scum, and then there's the part where displaced is probably town.

Yea, keep notes. Share them as much as you want. It's where I came to the conclusion that "red" team was hunting "black" rather than towns.
Maybe you can show me how BC fits into one of the teams. Because at this point PerV and AuntJ are more likely to be on a team than Beast with anybody.

I don't /have/ to show you how he fits into a team because /one of the teams does not have any fucking scumflips yet/. Unlike you I am not actually arrogant enough, and I'm pretty arrogant in case you didn't notice, to believe I need to peg an entire four man scumteam before I start trying to lynch any of them.

They can be. It's up to each player to learn how to tell the difference between a scum tunnel and town tunnel. Town, especially at this point are more likely to have a few other options. There are at least 4 scum left, and possibly 6. Probably not on the same team.

Please, teach me how to tell the difference, o wise teacher who joined mafiascum a month ago. Let me learn from your ways. Have you any wisdom to impart, borne from your incredible volume of experience?
(PS if you have offsite experience IDGAF)

You and me both, displaced. I can only hope scum will get as tired of reading Josh and ZZZX's posts as I am and just shoot them.

I would love if scum would shoot me. It would drag the kill away from big PRs

or Am I a PR?

Noone knows!

[ZZZX]

Getting on Ruff doesnt clean you since it gives us a chance of a bus or a 2nd scum team which is nearly confirmed at this stage

[ZZZX]

Unless you think my actions towards him explicitly look like a bus, which they don't, and besides I'm apparently on the other magical scumteam of random names.

You are currently read as netural by me. I really still dont know what to say about your alignment.

[ZZZX]

And that's fine, albeit somewhat mystifying.

I still need a bit of re-reading many iso s but just telling you this post is kinda scummy. cheers

[ZZZX]

And in order for Viomi to be scum you have to believe that she read the "fake kill" took the time to know it was a fake kill, post a panicked post, followed by indigination, followed by calming down and that she would do all of such as scum. No, rather, Viomi, made herself lynchbait. And yes, I will defend folks that I perceive are being buzzed for crap. I however am not calling you, MS, scum. I do anticipate scum among the vote and as such provided my thoughts and placed my vote.

FYI It is so clear it was a fake shot thou

[ZZZX]

And in order for Viomi to be scum you have to believe that she read the "fake kill" took the time to know it was a fake kill, post a panicked post, followed by indigination, followed by calming down and that she would do all of such as scum. No, rather, Viomi, made herself lynchbait. And yes, I will defend folks that I perceive are being buzzed for crap. I however am not calling you, MS, scum. I do anticipate scum among the vote and as such provided my thoughts and placed my vote.

FYI It is so clear it was a fake shot thou

if you go back and read. If you come in and start with latest post and do not read all the details, well different story.

I am sure MS is clearly not having a shot thou. It is so freaking obv since d1. At least he cant use it in thread I am sure anyway.

[ZZZX]

And in order for Viomi to be scum you have to believe that she read the "fake kill" took the time to know it was a fake kill, post a panicked post, followed by indigination, followed by calming down and that she would do all of such as scum. No, rather, Viomi, made herself lynchbait. And yes, I will defend folks that I perceive are being buzzed for crap. I however am not calling you, MS, scum. I do anticipate scum among the vote and as such provided my thoughts and placed my vote.

FYI It is so clear it was a fake shot thou

if you go back and read. If you come in and start with latest post and do not read all the details, well different story.

I am sure MS is clearly not having a shot thou. It is so freaking obv since d1. At least he cant use it in thread I am sure anyway.

you are sure, yes. Someone coming in and picking up and not reading everything would not be.

Possibly if he didn't read day 1 when he did the first fake shot.

Well I need to re-read to check if vio was there when it happent

[ZZZX]

SKOT what do you read beast as and why so far?

[ZZZX]

SKOT what do you read beast as and why so far?

I can see the arguements for scum but I would think if scum most likely to be teamed with ruff and SG. I do not see in busing occuring. Things get up to lynch point and I can look that way but I would much rather see bulba run up.

What about umb?

[ZZZX]

zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ

Im not even voting her for her reaction to the daykill

IS ANYONE CALLING ME?

[ZZZX]

ZZZX
Chandra
RachMarie

^ Suspect lynch in order of scummiest, top to bottom. Rach scumread is new. I've played 3 games with her now I believe, including her first on the site. Townplay = Very very active, Scumplay = Very very not active.

Actually I saw this: I am amused again. HOW DID I NOT READ THIS?


I went frm BIGGEST TOWN READ to BIGGEST SCUM READ because I did a totally legit vote on beast.

Well I will get viomi next night after I get done.


And @Bulba I guess I mixed you up with another person then. Fine? I will answer your quote when I feel more like it. I dont feel like it atm.

[ZZZX]

I will, however, provide a reads list. Changes will be noted.

Sweet as can be:

5 Nero Cain
9 Metal Sonic
16 mozamis
1 TheWayItEnds

20 sharpest knife on the tree

--This slot was a sweet-read from what little Angel posted, but not enough to be in my sugary central core. Kotty, however, has been amazingly pro-town, not only with his stances, but also with his reasoning behind the stances.

14 ZZZX

--Zexxy was already a sweet-read, but since then, his posting has only gotten stronger. The case against him simply has not made sense, and he raises some surprisingly-valid points if you look closely enough for them. He is not a strong town player, but he most certainly

is

town.
15 Viomi

24 Chandra Nalaar

--Though my thoughts do not align perfectly to Nally's own, Nally's posting has been incredibly impressive to me. Nally has shown a complete lack of any indicator I would use to track a scum role PM, and is only getting stronger.

Sweetreads:

21 pidgey

13 Umbrage

--as before, I feel his posting has seemed amazingly sweet at times, but it contains elements which I feel are deeply anti-town, ironic as that may be given his insistence on policy-lynching Zexxy. This doubt when I know Ragey to be capable of more is what keeps him from entering my sugary central core.

25 displaced

--The positioning of the read remains. The reasoning has changed. Though I have felt that his posting has not been as town as I was expecting, there are flashes of what looks really town, such as the tone behind his challenge to players scumreading him.

Waffles:

12 RachMarie--I eagerly await new content so that I may make a more final judgment.

23 UnfriendlyNeighbors (Mac/Cabd Hydra)

--my old lady instincts changed, to perhaps be a snap-decision of sweet, but not there yet. Otherwise, nothing additional to say.

19 Malakittens

--Kitty's posting was largely in-tune with my own thoughts, but has since fallen out. Additionally, her content thusfar has been surprisingly lacking and her contributions to this game minimal. One of these traits would be a bit concerning, but ultimately not shake my faith. Both of them present has significantly placed doubt in my mind about her, in spite of our early synchronization.

Rotten to the core:

10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra)
7 Josh_B
11 PeregrineV

Sour Reads:

22 beastcharizard

--either beasty's posting took a sudden decline or was always this bad and it took me until recently to realize it. I have not liked any of his recent contributions at all. Additionally, I remember him being under pressure during D1. If that pressure came at a key time, then it may explain the votecounts turning up the way they have. (I have yet to run my facts on this.)

4 vezokpiraka

If you were scum I would be amused.

A tactic I use as scum is basically town read a town which is pushed on a lynch and saving his ass. Ending up with making him survive throu Lylo making it a scum autowin (if you dont get caught) but this is not the same. At least I dont think it is.

P-edit: I already posted a case on him and he appears a scum with beast. Either is fine for me.

[ZZZX]

I will, however, provide a reads list. Changes will be noted.

Sweet as can be:

14 ZZZX

--Zexxy was already a sweet-read, but since then, his posting has only gotten stronger. The case against him simply has not made sense, and he raises some surprisingly-valid points if you look closely enough for them. He is not a strong town player, but he most certainly

is

town.

Sour Reads:

22 beastcharizard

--either beasty's posting took a sudden decline or was always this bad and it took me until recently to realize it. I have not liked any of his recent contributions at all. Additionally, I remember him being under pressure during D1. If that pressure came at a key time, then it may explain the votecounts turning up the way they have. (I have yet to run my facts on this.)

4 vezokpiraka

Allow me to scream bullshit at these three reads.
I think you are a very goo player and know how to play this game. If anyone objects to this please tell me.

Your read on ZZZX is just pure bullshit. He is in such a place that people consider him to be townie enough, but not everyone. You defend him and set him up for a mislynch in case you die. Or you could be scum together, but I somehow doubt that.

You moved beastcharizard in your sure scum slot because you realized he is an easy lynch and you will have reason for voting him when the time comes. Your progression onto this read is not natural. It is not how a townie thinks.

And of course the irresistible vezok scum read. I don't think I've played a game where scum didn't push for me hoping for an easy lynch.

This hints that you think I am scum. What is the reason? Explain your read on me.

[ZZZX]

Alrighty so prettyyyy sure Rach is town especially with her recent contributions.

I'm going to unvote for now.

I'm going to
VOTE: Underacheivers

Cabds posting so far haven't felt like Cabd town. Same goes for Mac.

Ill explain later if needed

Mala, the Cabd/Mac hydra is town.

~Fenix

Explain your reasons.

[ZZZX]

since you want specific rebuttals to these specific points. These are flawed that's. 1st of all you make a conclusion that her reaction was an act. It is not supported by your evidence. You focus solely on her emotion and say that well if she was town she wouldn't react that way. The only thing that you have to base such on is your own preconceived ideals of how a person should react without taking the person as a whole into account. You miss the psychology of the player.

It's not about me. It's about her. Stop talking about me because that is not my case.

Anyway,

Foundation:

So let me get this straight

I just got shot for not having the ability to post today until now..?

That's the only case I see.

@Mod, is there a way I can "blacklist" Metal Sonic so I never have to play a game with him again? I don't want him ruining any more of my town games, my record is bad enough.

In all the confusion of the day, someone falls dead in the crowd.

Kid A was, Wolverine Vanilla Town Stabbed in the back day 2

Voting is reset

with 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-26 14:26:41)

till Day 2 Deadline

I don't really care enough to meta you right now

But you care enough to possibly shoot me for no reason other than possible reads?

It's not

my

scumminess that's the problem, it's your laziness for not realizing this is normal for me. You're fucking stupid.

@Mod: If that was a fake shot, can I please be replaced out? This is bullshit and I refuse to play with someone who "doesn't care enough" to not ruin games.

Well then, scratch my replacement, @Mod. I can play if he's finally out of fucking shots.

Explain these that happened in quick succession (~3 posts within each other). Tell me this is not an act. It looks like it came out of a serial drama or a bad sitcom. Regardless, if you think that is not an act, can you explain her motivation behind this sudden quick change of decision? Can you explain how "I'm finally out of fucking shots" quelled her rage so quickly when she was claiming that "If this is an act, I'll hate you forever etc". IT was indeed an act. You cannot deny that she doesn't follow up.

Let me tell you my theory why I think she did that. She was throwing all the shit in hopes that I would "feel hurt" or "be pressurised" in order to spill the beans and to admit that it was a fake shot. So that she knew she could live longer as scum. Survivalistic. Fortunately, for me, I have seen multiple instances of this "fake rage" from scum to be unfazed by such nonsense. Simply put, if she was scum that did not know if the shot was real or fake, she would naturally be in a panic and would try her best to ascertain the situation and gain control.

As to giving reads comment, you really put her in a catch 22 there.

She would be damned if she did

and damned if she didn't. Now, the argument dejour around here is a focus on "avoiding" content that would result in connections. There is nothing inherently scummy about it and frustrated and pissed of town can do that.

This is not true. Since when would she be damned if she did? In fact, if she did provide her reads earnestly

If she was a true frustrated townie that DID believe in the shot, why would she not take the time to push out all her important reads before she "flipped" so that she can go I TOLD YOU SO? Simply, she expected her excuse of "lol mad" to give her a free pass of giving reads, which would have been associative and related to her partners WHEN she flipped scum to the "daykill". Clearly, she didn't want to speak without her lawyer -- that is without daytalk or her teammates around.

I can infer that there is an unlikely chance of daytalk in the scum teams any more: as an encryptor for Team 1 was required to enable daytalk for team 1, it means that an Encryptor is needed to enable Daytalk for team 2. However, it is unlikely for a duplicate role in team 2 as it would ruin the exclusivity of the daytalk, thus I can infer that daytalk is no longer present, unless there is indeed an encryptor in the other team as well.

The 3rd point again makes perceptual assumptions on your end. You throw out a premise that she is using "meta" to "cover" rage. Then claims to her to be self contradictory when she explained with this alt she is trying to play without getting wrapped up in meta.

Not much to say here, eh?

Ah, but engaging in the slightest bit of meta is the cop-out. As displaced has conveniently dug out, she claimed that meta was shit, and then told everyone to meta her to prove her "innocence". This is the relevant post.

No, I got the joke. Made me giggle, but still seemed out of place, even for a joke.

Feel free to meta me to check out my jokes, They are usually more cruel (Check the Mini game I did long ago, its in my wiki I think?)

Mm. Except this account's playstyle is to ignore meta completely, which I will continue to do.

Here's a hint to all of you: If you want to sort someone, meta them. It will show you their usual town and scum behavior. Trying to make a case against me and saying that my rage = scum, when I've had this

exact

fucking case made against me three times before and every time I flipped town, is just fucking stupid.

vote viomi

This scum needs death. Metadefense doesn't cut it.

Only because you still have yet to meta me. *sighs deeply*

Lol?

VOTE: viomi

I think everyone has forgotten the context of this post. Relevant post #994 "I dont care about meta"

No, I got the joke. Made me giggle, but still seemed out of place, even for a joke.

Feel free to meta me to check out my jokes, They are usually more cruel (Check the Mini game I did long ago, its in my wiki I think?)

Mm. Except this account's playstyle is to ignore meta completely, which I will continue to do.

In response to ZZZX, ZZZX calls Viomi to meta him. However, Viomi says no, and claims that it shall "ignore meta completely". This can be taken to assume that account Viomi will not resort to any use of meta, either to metadive another player to sort them out, et cetera. This should also include the use of metadefense to protect her "Rage-y actions"

Then, many posts later when the tables have turned, she claims "Here's a hint to all of you: If you want to sort someone, meta them. It will show you their usual town and scum behavior. "

Very hypocritcal and contradictory.

"she explained with this alt she is trying to play without getting wrapped up in meta."

You obviously did not consider the context of the post, nor its intentions. You claim that "Viomi jsut didn't want to be involved with the meta of her past actions and that is perfectly innocent " However, as the facts reveal: Viomi claimed that

she shall not meta ZZZX

because she shall not engage in

any actions involving the use of meta on this account

. However, she later claims that

meta is the best way to sort someone, and hurriedly uses "meta" to defend herself and her life, despite already pre-claimed that she shall not use meta.

I see a very large contradiction here, and thus it is extremely scummy

See you make "premises" here with no foundation. You just pose theories on behavior and proclaim "prove otherwise." Of course the only way to confirm her as town is see her "flipped" and removed from the game. There is no case, just premises. Your premises, as I demonstrated are not supported by the facts. If you do engage in even the slightest bit of meta you find her behavior to be consistent. You find her case to be accurate. Now, sure there is a chance she was able to use her history and play it off, but it does not read that way. The psychology of the actions does not equate the theorized premises.

'

You're right, I only included the premises and left the foundation out from my QUICK, EASY TO READ, YET UNDISPUTED CASE. I can easily pull out the evidence from her posts and will show you now. FULL, EVIDENCE-CHOCKED, AND STILL UNDISPUTED CASE.

Your only valid point in that whole post that you posted was that I did not include the foundation/evidence for my premises. As it stands, you still fail to rebut the points convincingly, instead rebutted it on the lack of evidence. I agree, and thus have included the necessary evidence for your convenience.

You may try again.

Now, you want to know something interesting MS. A case could be made against you with equally flimsy evidence.

You are comparing Apple to Orange. No.

Actually I got a few quotes of vio defending beast using the chainsaw defense.

But I am fine in lynched either of them. I will go for viomi first I guess.

Vote Viomi

[ZZZX]

HOLY SNAP ZZZX DO NOT QUOTE LONG POSTS

In this game We once did a quote chain of a half page long quote

But yea sorry XD

[ZZZX]

1 TheWayItEnds - Is this person in the game? I don't remember this name at all.
4 vezokpiraka - Null. I know they post I just don't remember anything they say.
5 Nero Cain - Town. Early town read based kind of on my other game with them and the rest is gut. They don't do scummy things either.
6 Aunt Jemina* - Still get a weird feeling from them.
7 Josh_B - Leaning town.
9 Metal Sonic - Null. I always just want to scum read him for some reason.
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra) - Leaning town
11 PeregrineV - Null
12 RachMarie - I wish the list told me who they replaced. Oh well off the top of my head is Null.
13 Umbrage - SCUM.
14 ZZZX - SCUM. Why I am their counter wagon I have no clue.
15 Viomi - Null. MS is going after them hard so I don't know what to think.
16 mozamis - Null. Same boat as veko.
19 Malakittens - Null. Did they replace in or were they here from the start?
20 Sharpest-knife-on-tree - Null Same boat as Rach.
21 pidgey- They post a lot but I don't know what they actually say. Leaning town on sheer posting.
23 UnfriendlyNeighbors (Mac/Cabd Hydra)* - Null
24 Chandra Nalaar - Leanign scum. I like some of their posts but the buddying with Umbrage really bothers me.
25 displaced* - Null

explain your read on me? Since we played a few games together you would know best that my playstyle is the same. I feel you are trying to force a scum read on me.

[ZZZX]

I came from the cinemas to find a wagon on me. Its nice

Well let me see who is on my wagon:

Beast: he voted me cus I ... well i dont know but it was the scummiest post ever.

Josh_B: Only person on my wagon who I dont mind. We were fighting since the start of the game and its understandable

Pidgey: He votes me cus I read him as trying to active lurk while I was wrong on a few posts because I couldnt see the main discussion from the iso. Still a shitty reason?

ZZZX: WTF WHEN DID I VOTE MYSELF?

@MOD DID I REALLY VOTE MYSELF? I dont remeber I did.

[ZZZX]

Oh yea and town reading bulba for not insta jumping on a wagon that could be not in his team when he read me as scum all game.

[ZZZX]

#MAFIA2014 I just iso'd myself to make sure I didnt vote my self.

[ZZZX]

Your trying to paint the wagon on you as sudden is quite insincere, seeing as it's been around for awhile.

-Bulba

last time it was one vote now it is 4.

I understood when I knew it was a vote count error or something like that so anyway just in case

back to

Vote Viomi

[ZZZX]

Flaking site because of pressure?


She might have just forgot

[ZZZX]

Can we ignore the viomi replaced or not and get back to actually scum hunt>? I dont remeber I saw your reads TWIEs. Can you tell me what you think so far?

[ZZZX]

NOW ITS MY TURN TO SAY "HASNT TOWNED IT UP LIKE LAST GAME"
Nero Cain

Are you latina, 'cause you have a BIG ASS OMGUS? Though I do like that you'd kill Bulb but why is UN null?

Why do I actually need to explain this?

They have reads.

I have reads.

My reads are not dependant on their reads.

I dont understand why somebody else thinking that you're town should make me believe that you are?

You think 4 players have a town role PM. They all think thing X is true. That's four people you comparatively trust who are all making the same argument. Why would you not care? It's kind of egotistical to not take things like that into account.

This part is actually really good, Umbrage.

it's actually not though

the list of things at least 4 townies agree on in this game is endless

and there are plenty of people I think are town with whom I disagree on nearly everything

it's a shit argument and you going out of your way to back him up on it is more than a little suspicious

Being town doesn't mean your reads are accurate.

[ZZZX]

Why was the text so small.. what the hell ..

[ZZZX]

Nero I am older than you

We need more Beast votes.

Well As far as I know viomi and beast seem to be together. Vote either of them

[ZZZX]

Oh cool so Umbrage is scum, glad we figured that one out

You.. seem to think in a different way than most of the players here lol

[ZZZX]

Oh cool so Umbrage is scum, glad we figured that one out

You.. seem to think in a different way than most of the players here lol

I agree with chandra. It's rare when Umbrage is so openly scum.

I am not seeing it. Care to show me?

[ZZZX]

About a week left on deadline. Is it time to decide on a lynch yet?

[ZZZX]

What kind of read list is that? I realize that I am still working my reads since I recently replaced in,

but you have been playing from the beginning there, beast and most of your reads are NULL?

meh don't buy it one bit

VOTE: Beast dude

I have a case Moz

We can just lynch beast 2moro

[ZZZX]

Lynch viomi please

Don't want it to be derailed like what almost happened for rufflig wagon

poor analogy, Viomi wagon is more equivalent to the Yates wagon: absolute shit, but gains traction because it's an easy target and town is generally stupid

Actually it appears there is a high chance of a viomi beast scumteam

[ZZZX]

Lynch viomi please

Don't want it to be derailed like what almost happened for rufflig wagon

I answered your questions, shithead. A good townie would have unvoted me by now. Fuck off.

I'd rather lynch Chandra or beast. Also, I think @Umbrage is the only other person in this game who's brain works, tbqh.

Well Care to talk to me a reason why you are not scum right now?

180degree turns and scummy behavior and forced actions. Explain all those

3-2-1 go

[ZZZX]

Scratch Umbrage being the only logical person here, TWIE's not a moron either. Thank god. Maybe this game is still playable.

Reading thread now btw, have a bit to catch up on -u-

P-EDIT: @ZZZX; It's great you can list some things that are scummy, but no evidence of me actually doing it, ZZZX.
Also I really like TWIE's post, because he's smart enough to see what I clearly laid out. I didn't 180 degree turn anywhere; This account doesn't use meta to evaluate people, that is indeed something I don't do on this account. I'm still going to suggest it to others because it's the smartest way to get their playstyle. "Scummy behavior"? Example? And "forced actions"..? Which actions seemed forced to you and why?


P.S. Forgive me lately guys, on Aderall for my ADHD and I'm still coping with the angry factor .-.

Time to try using the phone to find all your scummy posts

BRB

[ZZZX]

I don't think Viomi knew it was fake. That was scum thinking they got killed for stupid reasons and throwing a hissy fit.

if you are town, you and your partner are jumping to a perceptual conclusion without any basis. If you are scum you are simply doing what you can to get town lynched and sticking with a tunnel.
So, bulba, I do know that you are a bit better than that. I expect more from you then to stick with such short sighted perceptions. I have no experience I can recall with Fennix. So, tell me in your history of game play, do scum generally throw hissy fits like that? Now, add in a person who dies early by lynch or night kill a lot... they sign in and see that they appear to be soon day killed... Now tell me what is more psychologically likely? Please feel free to provide evidence in completed games.

(FYI, I apologize in advance but for my own ease and for wall avoidance I will be taking pieces of your stuff a piece at time. At least it won't be a wall.)

TBH, I've seen it. MS pulled the SAME gambit when he entered the game with Josh_B, and Viomi even pointed it OUT as a gambit when you look at her ISO (quote #39). When she found out that MS did the SAME thing in the thread, from ISO'd post (#44, 45, 46 (that's the biggest one that sticks out because she KNEW he pulled the same stunt against JB coming in), 49, 50, 51, 52, 53 and 54) you can find her reaction (if ya hadn't looked). To ME, there's something seriously off base with Viomi.

She insults anyone who votes/objects to anything she says. Me, Sonic, and Vezo are just starters on that list. She tried splitting me and my hydra partner, which is super scummy to do imo. You don't try to appeal to emotion my partner. Told ZZZX that she was going to post a case up on him, NEVER followed thru with it and is voting him now on a... OMGUS?! I'd like to know more about that, Viomi, if you're willing to actually come in here and talk about what made you vote for ZZZX after saying he was a town read of yours on day one. Cause a lot of your "logic" doesn't add up...

~Fenix

Fenix is still dumb.
Why would scum!Viomi point out a gambit right before using it?

WIFOM

Let me tell you my

theory

why I think she did that. She was throwing all the shit in hopes that I would "feel hurt" or "be pressurised" in order to spill the beans and to admit that it was a fake shot. So that she knew she could live longer as scum. Survivalistic. Fortunately, for me, I have seen multiple instances of this "fake rage" from scum to be unfazed by such nonsense. Simply put, if she was scum that did not know if the shot was real or fake, she would naturally be in a panic and would try her best to ascertain the situation and gain control.

Keyword: Theory.

Here's some facts for you: I'm survivalistic as town. This is a fact. I would self-meta but that would be so ironically bad I'd cry. But I might have to if you're literally too dumb to do it yourself.

"Simply put," regardless of my alignment, I would naturally be in a panic and would try my best to ascertain the situation and gain control.

I mean, just check my signature for my win/loss rate. This game is really fucking boring with people like you, MS.

Win lose actually means nothing. Let me see yours and decide

[ZZZX]

Bloody Lol viomi that record is bad

[ZZZX]

Pointing out what scum you would do is a common scum tactic.

[ZZZX]

Pointing out what scum you would do is a common scum tactic.

And I continue to do it, along with self-meta, in every single game.

Because

someone

has to look at my other games if the rest of you are too stupid to look at it yourselves and still make cases on me.

Let me go grab some quotes from town!me freaking out about being killed, kthx.

Well you refused to meta me when you scum read me so why should I?

But to make it clear. Do you actually mind a beast lynch?

[ZZZX]

Pointing out what scum you would do is a common scum tactic.

And I continue to do it, along with self-meta, in every single game.

Because

someone

has to look at my other games if the rest of you are too stupid to look at it yourselves and still make cases on me.

Let me go grab some quotes from town!me freaking out about being killed, kthx.

Well you refused to meta me when you scum read me so why should I?

But to make it clear. Do you actually mind a beast lynch?

There isn't even a case on Beast. The lack of a case on him is /almost/ as stupid as the case on me. So yes, I mind lynching brainlessly.

I have a case on him actually

but I cant link it now. Maybe 2moro.

[ZZZX]

Why are we talking to you as if you are town lol

Talking to youself as town is at worst a nulltell. I use it as both allignments to gain some trust using AtE which actually works pretty well... Usually

[ZZZX]

You don't remember them because I haven't given them yet. But sure you can have some reads.

PRETTY TOWN

AuntyJ
Moz
Umbrage
Pidgey

PROB TOWNS WITH SHITTY WAGONS ON THEM

Viomi
BeastCharizard

PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY TOWN BUT WHO I WILL KILL IF THEY SHOOT AGAIN

Sonic

Null to Slight Town Reads

Josh
ZZZX

Null to Slight Scum Reads

MalaKittens
PereV
Neighbors

PEOPLE WHO LOOKED TOWN UNTIL THEY AGREED WITH METALSONICS SHITTY VIOMI CASE SUDDENLY

SharpestKnife

PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY LESS TOWN BUT THEN ALSO AGREED WITH METALS TERRIBAD CASE STRANGELY.
ALSO SOMETIMES THIS SLOT LOOKS REALLY TOWN AND SOMETIMES I REALLY WANNA LYNCH IT.

Chandra(Not a Relevant Planeswalker)Nalaar

NOW ITS MY TURN TO SAY "HASNT TOWNED IT UP LIKE LAST GAME"

Nero Cain

SCUMMY

Vezok
RachMarie

PEOPLE I WOULD SHOOT IN THIS POST IF I HAD BULLETS

Displaced
BulbaF

I think thats everyone.

TLDR: As of this post I would kill these 6 people in order <Displaced, BulbaF, Vezok, RachMarie, Nero Cain, Chandra Nalaar>
I am also unlikely to join either the Viomi slot wagon or the BeastCharizard wagon today.

I found something funny.

Me and josh put at the same place in your reads bro. It makes me giggle

Also can you explain your displaced read?

[ZZZX]

1 TheWayItEnds - Is this person in the game? I don't remember this name at all.
4 vezokpiraka - Null. I know they post I just don't remember anything they say.
5 Nero Cain - Town. Early town read based kind of on my other game with them and the rest is gut. They don't do scummy things either.
6 Aunt Jemina* - Still get a weird feeling from them.
7 Josh_B - Leaning town.
9 Metal Sonic - Null. I always just want to scum read him for some reason.
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra) - Leaning town
11 PeregrineV - Null
12 RachMarie - I wish the list told me who they replaced. Oh well off the top of my head is Null.
13 Umbrage - SCUM.
14 ZZZX - SCUM. Why I am their counter wagon I have no clue.
15 Viomi - Null. MS is going after them hard so I don't know what to think.
16 mozamis - Null. Same boat as veko.
19 Malakittens - Null. Did they replace in or were they here from the start?
20 Sharpest-knife-on-tree - Null Same boat as Rach.
21 pidgey- They post a lot but I don't know what they actually say. Leaning town on sheer posting.
23 UnfriendlyNeighbors (Mac/Cabd Hydra)* - Null
24 Chandra Nalaar - Leanign scum. I like some of their posts but the buddying with Umbrage really bothers me.
25 displaced* - Null

explain your read on me? Since we played a few games together you would know best that my playstyle is the same. I feel you are trying to force a scum read on me.

same here. explain your read on me too beast

ZZZX: I don't remember ever playing with you, as such I don't remember how you play so I can't use said knowledge to guide my read on you. Can you name games we have played together? I don't like how you are posting in general. Most of your posts just come off in the demeanor of scum trying to look town.

Metal Sonic: No matter how you play the game I just want to scum read you. It is in my nature or something. Unless you are an IC your play makes me think you are scum. I know you are town half the times but it still makes me scum read you. This is why I put you are null. I don't want to attempt to read you at all because I just know it is going to be scum. Even when I am scum I read you as the SK. I don't remember a time when I have read you as town, not even when you were in a hydra.

ZZZX in Pokemon Online... Lol you seem to forget me... let me find you teh links.. I am basically the same situation as Metal Sonic (We seem to have a play style that looks nearly the same)

[ZZZX]

Reporting in, will catch up today

Roger.

[ZZZX]

You don't remember them because I haven't given them yet. But sure you can have some reads.

PRETTY TOWN

AuntyJ
Moz
Umbrage
Pidgey

PROB TOWNS WITH SHITTY WAGONS ON THEM

Viomi
BeastCharizard

PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY TOWN BUT WHO I WILL KILL IF THEY SHOOT AGAIN

Sonic

Null to Slight Town Reads

Josh
ZZZX

Null to Slight Scum Reads

MalaKittens
PereV
Neighbors

PEOPLE WHO LOOKED TOWN UNTIL THEY AGREED WITH METALSONICS SHITTY VIOMI CASE SUDDENLY

SharpestKnife

PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY LESS TOWN BUT THEN ALSO AGREED WITH METALS TERRIBAD CASE STRANGELY.
ALSO SOMETIMES THIS SLOT LOOKS REALLY TOWN AND SOMETIMES I REALLY WANNA LYNCH IT.

Chandra(Not a Relevant Planeswalker)Nalaar

NOW ITS MY TURN TO SAY "HASNT TOWNED IT UP LIKE LAST GAME"

Nero Cain

SCUMMY

Vezok
RachMarie

PEOPLE I WOULD SHOOT IN THIS POST IF I HAD BULLETS

Displaced
BulbaF

I think thats everyone.

TLDR: As of this post I would kill these 6 people in order <Displaced, BulbaF, Vezok, RachMarie, Nero Cain, Chandra Nalaar>
I am also unlikely to join either the Viomi slot wagon or the BeastCharizard wagon today.

I found something funny.

Me and josh put at the same place in your reads bro. It makes me giggle

Also can you explain your displaced read?

Hahaha of course not

And you must be scum because only scum would care about someone's reasons on a read list

duh

How is that even true?

I would like to see all facts of reasons people think about others to actually get a higher chance of catching scum.

If you deny this then this is basically you trying to stop our info hunting which is a scummy action.

[ZZZX]

and I'm still not reading half the game because of ZZZX shitting up the thread

someone vig him please

I had 3 short posts this page and the one before it.

Please. STAHP. I wish mafia could nightkill me thou. Or is that true? (TRUE WIFOM)

[ZZZX]

It's actually not one. There's an interesting set of conditions, see if you can piece it together.

I.. am not sure I understood what you mean.

[ZZZX]

It's actually not one. There's an interesting set of conditions, see if you can piece it together.

I.. am not sure I understood what you mean.

[ZZZX]

Check just before going to school

[ZZZX]

Metal Sonic: How was my reaction scummy, exactly? Instead of just saying it was, give me logic.
BulbaFenix: Do you have anything on me or are you going to continue whatever... That is?
Displaced: Does your vote on me have anything besides bullshit.. Like, at all?
PereV: You're town, get your vote off me and do something helpful please.
vezok: You're either the stupidest player to date or you're scum. I'm not going to ask you to do anything because I don't think it'll get through your thick skull.
ZZZK: I don't even know what to say about you. Honestly.

If you actually HAVE a case on me, give it to me. If you don't, take your vote off because you're being insanely anti-town. Vote someone actually scummy, not someone mad at the game, kthx.

Lol I got that part on me a lot. But I am not sure if that part is good or bad.

I am 60% convinced that you and beast are both scum.

Its like there is a big chance. But I bet more money on beast.

[ZZZX]

Aunt J: {Bulba, Josh, PV, Mala, beast}
Pidgey: {ZZZX, Beast, Rach, Displaced, PV, Mala, Umbrage}
Nero: Whatever the heck this is supposed to mean

Bulb/UFN/Mala>>>>BC>>>>Viomi>>>>MS>>>>nl

I'd also buy a vowel and a Rach lynch.

Mozamis... doesn't have a clear lynch pool
Chandra!: {Beast, Vezok, Umbrage, TWIE, {PV Rach Mala Viomi}}

My other town reads don't deserve to be sheeped at this juncture for a variety of reasons.

What have we learned? We've learned it's time to take a closer look at Mala.

so if we sheep them we lynch a total of ~16 people?

[ZZZX]

I have something to say that many of you forget.

If you town read someone it doesnt mean thier reads are correct. Not all town are sane enough to get a 100% accuracy. Actually noone is sane enough to achieve that.

[ZZZX]

I have something to say that many of you forget.

If you town read someone it doesnt mean thier reads are correct. Not all town are sane enough to get a 100% accuracy. Actually noone is sane enough to achieve that.

LOL- not all town are sane? If any "town" was 100% accurate on reads I would be dumbfounded.

Cant you read the 2nd part of the quote?

Actually noone is sane enough to achieve that.

[ZZZX]

Aunt j- i checked the post the you posted from me. Do you want to break down what you dont like about it or are you happy advertising my posts?

Mala-

can you tell me about why you dont want a displaced lynch? I think your vote would be better placed there.

I like mozamis for town up to this point but this is only dp2. We are definitely not in mylo. Are there any of your preferred 2 or third place possible scum reads that you can move your vote to?

OH GOD THE PUNSSSSS

[ZZZX]

I have something to say that many of you forget.

If you town read someone it doesnt mean thier reads are correct. Not all town are sane enough to get a 100% accuracy. Actually noone is sane enough to achieve that.

Of course. Unlike everyone else, though, I include myself in that group as well.

I never said I am very accurate either.

[ZZZX]

Also I personally prefer a beast lynch but noone is motivated enough for it >/<

[ZZZX]

the last vote by beast was super scummy

vote: Beast

Am amazing faceheel turn indeed.

I am OK for a beast or a viomi lynch. So who are we lynching now?

[ZZZX]

actually no

LYNCH VIOMI TODAY BECAUSE IF SHE IS SCUM SHE IS DEFINITELY A SCUM PR DONT LET HER USE HER ABILITY!!!!!

next time shoot your scum read instead of a "policy vig" TIA.

Next time I won't get shots... But your right.


Lynch viomi with us

... I have nothing to say about those 2 posts.

[ZZZX]

MS just shoot her tomorrow no one buys your im out of bullets crap, unless her Scum PR is "hit button to win game" you dont really have that much of an issue waiting a goddamn day.

This game day is going nowhere. Coupled with the fact that i feel people are not connected to the game (im certainly not as much as i was d1) and with the site hiatus, i think we are all just bitching about our favorite wagons and scum reads and not really paying attention to others unless outright asked.

This game really needs a lynch.

ZZZX
Beast
Viomi

Those are the options today.

Your case on me is pure omgus from day 1. I dare you look me in the eye and say I am wrong.

[ZZZX]

Yep.

The complete opposite of my reads lol


And how does a scum read on me for a reason that is mathematically proven 100% wrong (which is omgus) make it town not opportanistic scum ?

[ZZZX]

And this assault shows us that metal is prob town.. I think

[ZZZX]

thanks for your vote and support on the viomi, ZZZX

No worries. I just know the moment town-sonic is so arrogant on a vote it is either me or scum... most of the time

[ZZZX]

1 TheWayItEnds - Town
4 vezokpiraka - Town
5 Nero Cain - Town
6 Aunt Jemina* - Leaning Scum
7 Josh_B* - Needs to post
9 Metal Sonic - Town
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra)
11 PeregrineV - Town
12 RachMarie - Leaning Scum
13 Umbrage* - Town
14 ZZZX - Scum
15 Viomi** - Scum
16 mozamis* - Null
19 Malakittens* - Town
20 Sharpest-knife-on-tree - Town
21 pidgey - Town
23 UnfriendlyNeighbors (Mac/Cabd Hydra)** - Leaning Town
24 Chandra Nalaar - Scum
25 displaced* - Null

As I promised. I can explain any of them.

I can't defend myself really. I have played like shit and done nothing this game. I wanted to at least post a reads list so I could tell myself I contributed to the game.

Also, I was more active in the game you referred to earlier. I also tried to keep getting Metal Sonic killed the entire team even while I wasn't doing anything else. I don't see how my play is similar to how it was then. If you could elaborate a little more that would certainly help.

I asked 10 freaking times
explain your read on me. You never did

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX:

You are right. I haven't said a single reason why you are scum the whole game so I can completely see why you think I am crazy. Oh wait, what are these posts I have here?

Nero, are you talking about your umm what question in post like 131 or something? I fail to see a question somewhere.

@ZZZX:

You forgetting to vote your scum read is a scummy thing to do in some people's opinions. You can't say you didn't scum read them because you voted them outside of RVS. It just looks like a scum realizing they forgot to vote to look town and putting down their vote hoping no one noticed. I have tried going through your games on PO but to be quite honest I only found 1 that is completed and I hated the game so I had no motivation to actually read it. I will read a game or two of yours hear though so you have that to look forward too.

For Nero:

ZZZX was saying they were voting for info and not because they thought the person was scum. At least that is what I got from their explanation. I didn't agree with this so I was saying someone doesn't vote a town read for info they only should vote scum reads/null. That is what I found odd about what they did. The fact that didn't say they had a scum read but rather the vote was purely for info.

For people who don't like my vote:

I am voting Umbrage because they just town read someone for something that is scummy in my book. While I think ZZZX is scum I think do to the town read Umbrage gave to ZZZX is even scummier. They found some random, might I add bad, reason to town read someone. It seems like it is for the sake of town reading someone.

I don't think that post is particularly alignment indicative, anyone can construct a rational argument that describes exactly what just happened, though perhaps not in so articulate a fashion. I am starting to lean town on Yates though.

How do you catch scum then if it isn't based on how they post? I am a little confused.

@Person who asked me about ZZZX:

He didn't say it was for info until later from what I recall. Also him saying: "I am playing badly to test everyone." just looks absolutely horrible to me. It is an easy excuse to use when you realize you have messed up. I know town do it sometimes too but it is just an excuse for bad play and at this time I think it is coming from scum because he uses that excuse to cover everything he had done to that point and not just a single thing.

Just stepped in for a quick second. You have to wait until after work for more explanation on other reads.

I explained both of these. But seriously I have 10 times your posts on me about how bad you are doing

[ZZZX]

explain your read on me. You never did

You just admitted that I explained my read and that you read it. You said you refruted it even. Why are you changing your story?

Let me re phrase that


Explain your read with a valid reason

[ZZZX]

I DON'T LIKE HOW YOU ARE PLAYING! I THINK IT IS SCUMMY!

YOU ARE TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME WITH YOUR LAST POST WHICH IS ALSO SCUMMY!!!!

I am? I just said you case doesn't freaking exist and you didn't deny it yet others you have cases on and I am your main scum read

Amazing bro. Just amazing gut reason is > reasoning for you?


I am trying to see town motivation in you I am really trying and I see only hints of it. Its sad to see someone scum read me for no reason. Eh

[ZZZX]

Viomi: if you are town, then this is why you lose every fucking game you play.


Those are my last words to her. Time to bring down the hammer

Gota agree.

Viomi if you get lynched and we actually win you win too but you are playing anti town

[ZZZX]

Explain your read with a valid reason

This is you attempting to discredit me. There is no other way to explain that sentence.

1. You are trying to discredit everything I say.

BS. K am just proving your case on me sucks

2. 65 No one forgets to vote a scum read. Then you try to play it off like it was an information vote. You have to think the person is scummy to want to vote them for information.

we already discussed that it wasn't a scum read bunny

3. 173 you said everything you have done was a reaction test. What info did you get from said reactions? We still haven't found out.

people like you caught and we got scum

4. You outright buddy Squirrel Girl in 183
5. Then we have post 379, where they promised reads. Did we ever get all their reads? No we didn't. Their next post is some reads but none on the two flipped scum we have or half the player base for that matter.so how is that something scummy? I buddy half the game because being friendly with people is my playstyle
6. 584 is fence sitting. "Someone" could be scum possibly. No conviction for that read.

I don't get ur point

7. Post 639 looks extremely forced and was out of place. Who takes the time to make the font not only bold but bigger as well.

it takes 12 secs on phone. And I post 5 times your posts so I can bold and upside it

BRO

8. 752 He wants to hold off on the Ruffling wagon to get "interesting facts". What facts did he get? We still haven't found those out either.

I wanted to prolong the day. Did I tell to stop his lynch? Nope I just made us get more info for the day

9. Posting videos that feel like it is just to distract from their scumminess. Also says: "it was a joke" again. 966 and 986

are you that bad to call a music video every 1k posts scummy? Are you dumb?

Here is half the case you can working on twisting around ZZZX.

@Titus:

You want to talk about interactions with scum. Look at ZZZX. Post 915 is the only time he talks about ruffling until he votes them before they are hammered. Great interaction there. Only post about Squirrel is where they buddied up to them. Good interaction there too.

Proved ur case sucks

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX:

You just sank to insulting now ZZZX. Also, you posted two videos in 20 posts and they were both out of place.
Fencesitting is scummy. Your word choice was either poor or it was a scummy post.
Being friendly isn't your playstyle. You aren't friendly with me. Show me where else you buddied people who aren't scum.
Post Quality > Post Quantity
You still didn't tell us what reactions you got from your "purposely" stupid mistakes. You said you got me scum. What about the other people who agreed with me/I agreed with? They are all town?
You didn't even answer the question about the reads list. You avoided it completely and gave some answer to god knows what question.
Can we get a reads list? A full one preferably.

You get that next day since I got an exam 2moro. And I responded to all of the questions you posted here above. The reaction tests didn't get the reactions I wanted to see from scum so I left them at null. And the two videos were nice and just you just proved you didn't see them so here is a gift.


Oh and I am friendly to people who listen to logic. K ty

[ZZZX]

2o hours. Hamma needs to be fast now.