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Yates and umbrage are not looking particularly town. I don't know how you could possibly think that accusation was serious when you had barely if at all (not checking, on phone) posted beforehand. Umbrage getting a town read from the overreaction is similarly mystifying. But we can deal with that later. We only have a week to make this wagon happen.-
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Frankly I'm somewhat insulted by this comparison >.>In post 71, Nero Cain wrote:
Are you an Arc Angel alt?In post 69, Chandra Nalaar wrote:So what? Why am I supposed to switch now?
Also, I did not choose Bulbafenix at random.
@Fenix: Why, because I want to get as much reaction/content/stuff out of you as I can before Bulba shows up, of course. I think it will help me get a read on your slot. It's probably not working, but hey, at least I'm pulling us out of RVS.-
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Now now, that would be telling. I'm trying to be sneaky, remember?In post 75, BulbaFenix wrote:
Ahh. I can dig it. But then again, you gotta remember that Bulba and I are very... Interesting as far as a hydra goes (in our opinions on things). Hence the signature that we carry. So, mind filling me in on your thoughts about the Bulba head of this hydra?In post 74, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
Frankly I'm somewhat insulted by this comparison >.>In post 71, Nero Cain wrote:
Are you an Arc Angel alt?In post 69, Chandra Nalaar wrote:So what? Why am I supposed to switch now?
Also, I did not choose Bulbafenix at random.
@Fenix: Why, because I want to get as much reaction/content/stuff out of you as I can before Bulba shows up, of course. I think it will help me get a read on your slot. It's probably not working, but hey, at least I'm pulling us out of RVS.
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What's it to you?In post 86, jklash12 wrote:
Hi pidgey. Are you gonna do an RVS vote or nah?In post 63, pidgey wrote:helo?-
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Not for long, don't worry.In post 105, pidgey wrote:o god umbrage is in this game lol this is gonna be a wild ride-
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In post 110, ZZZX wrote:
Trying to get more info /= Getting a scum readIn post 98, pappums rat wrote:Hi Yates, Nero, PV, and Thad, its good to be playing with you guys again. And you too pidgey.
I dont like this series of posts:
Forgetting to vote? Ehhh... Someone who was serious about this scumread would not be "forgetting" to vote, it sounds to me like he is making this up.In post 65, ZZZX wrote:
Ops forgotIn post 64, Nero Cain wrote:
So where is your vote on the over reacting dude?In post 62, ZZZX wrote:
Not really, I think pushing a wagon on the over reacting dude will give us more info no?In post 61, Chandra Nalaar wrote:That's an antitown decision
Vote Yates
Vote: ZZZX
In another way I am triyng to get us out of RVS, eh?
In my ~3RD game is really acted like this guy when i was town. And it is interesting
also just saw Kid A post, I dont think you actually posted a reason for your vote? Are you just simply sheeping? The last time I checked that IS a scum tell.-
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You.In post 132, Umbrage wrote:
is this regarding me or pidgey?In post 129, Chandra Nalaar wrote:2/10 would still lynch
also do I know you?
I'm going to try to refrain from answering questions like this one when possible.
Does the bolded not mean anything to you? Who posts for the sake of posting?In post 139, The Rufflig wrote:
That was me. I didn't think displaced was trying to smear anyone.In post 136, pidgey wrote:Also to whoever asked, i feel that going out of his way to just mentiona point anout something without really commiting to a read was what made me weary of displacedMy impression was that displaced merely wanted to make a post. It isn't like mozamis was the only player that displaced could have chastised for making a gut decision based on a posting style. For example, Aunt Jemina made such a decision on PeregrineV. Anyway, I would have characterized displaced's post as a nothing post - did not reveal any suspicions, did not press anyone, and did not particularly contribute to the discussion. There are several players that fall into that category currently. It is the weekend, though. Personally, I'm going to give them a couple more days and then revisit who is contributing and who is coasting.-
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I wasn't going to accuse you of coaching, but now that you did it yourself, it sure does feel like you're scum with not-ZZZ. Why else would scum mindsets be so close to mind?In post 168, Umbrage wrote:In post 165, ZZZX wrote:OK guys I'm back.
Will read what I missed but can someone explain the case on me? I don't find it even logical
It is to scum's advantage to push wagons?
don't do this, it makes you look desperateIn post 166, ZZZX wrote:Isn't it?
inb4 scum coaching
Maybe I'm confbiasing but this is both a silly direction and a silly reason for it.In post 168, Umbrage wrote:
so you understand that emoticons, excessive friendliness, and terms of endearment like "sweetie-poo dearie" will be seen as scummy, yet you amp it up and make a mention of how you're going to be in trouble this gameSquirrel Girl wrote:
That's probably why I was voting one of them at that time, sweetie-poo dearie, and had done so quite quickly as soon as the opportunity presented itself.In post 150, Aunt Jemina wrote:
You could have fixed this, deary, by voting one of the players already voted at that point in time.In post 36, Squirrel Girl wrote:It's amazing how far one can go in the RVS with people 'randomly' not managing to place a second vote on a given player.
I'mma gonna be in trouble this game.In post 156, ThAdmiral wrote:I know it sounds like a stupid point but it actuallydoeshave too many smilies and its disconcerting. It feels false/trying to appease.
No, I don't find pointing out the hyper meta to be scumhunting. Functionally you were attacked and defended yourself. Defense isn't scumhunting. I don't find this act scummy either, defending from an attack is pretty null, but it's not scumhunting. You rolled in and defended yourself and then spent some time trading barbs.In post 162, Yates wrote:So... noticing that someone is trying to hyper-meta and subsequently pointing that out isn't scum hunting to you? Conversely, care to share which of pidgey's posts looks like scum hunting to you? I checked his ISO. It's short. It's also pretty devoid of anything I recognize as scum hunting so it really begs the question about how you arrived at this determination...
I would say his iso is about 50% scumhunting, and I feel like you know this because when you quoted his iso you cherry picked the front half and ignored the back half. I found him giving early town reads, clarifying a scum read without prompting and poking at someone to all be indicitive of scumhunting. No, it is not a town tell to follow to the ends of the Earth, but it is scumhunting and is certainly enough effort to have the read I expressed on him.
Why do you have such issue with this read that you're attacking so aggressively?
It is to scum's advantage to push wagons that are not on them or their team.In post 165, ZZZX wrote:It is to scum's advantage to push wagons?
It is to town's advantage to push wagons that are not on them or their team.
One side has a bit of an easier time knowing which is which.
You're drawing attention to yourself, so then you can say "oh no I'm not scummy, that's just the way I post". Why? To get people off of pidgey?
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I have a gut full of raging fire.In post 179, Yates wrote: I've been catching scum left and right looking for people that fabricate reads with no substance. Where's the substance on this read, Chandra?-
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Hmmmm, which snarky reply should I choose? "You'd be surprised " or "I can tell you're going to be scum"?In post 190, Umbrage wrote:HEY PIDGEY WHERE'D YOU GO I WANNA POKE YOU SOME MORE
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^townIn post 199, pidgey wrote:Umbrage- Im not caling you scum because at the moment i really dont have any real read on you, and no reason to call you scum. I do hwever called your read on me shit (yeah only that single read on me)
My reason is that the one game i played with you, you and I were town, and you also called me scum RIGHT OF THE FUCKING GATE WHEN I HAD CALLED 3 SCUMS ON MY FIRST 3 SCUM READS. That was on disney villian mafia. So yeah, granted one game might not be enough to make a judgement out of you, but from my experience you fucking suck at reading me and you are the biggest tunnel vissioner ive probably encountered. And the fact that you got on your "scum read" on an RVS Drunk post of me which was fucking super cool is indeed fucking stupid.
So yah.
I pretty much agree that squirrel girl calling me a super scum hunter for my first posts is weird lol dunno if its town or scum but it does look like trying to get allies and getting on my good side? Mostly because for some reason people like nero and others keep asking other players for reads on me which is p. cool i like being in the spot light.
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In what universe is that ad hom? The Land of Paper-Thin Skin?In post 219, Josh_B wrote:
I don't think this enough to give him a town read. Especially since it is a direct ad hom attack against a person calling him scum.In post 218, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
^townIn post 199, pidgey wrote:
My reason is that the one game i played with you, you and I were town, and you also called me scum RIGHT OF THE FUCKING GATE WHEN I HAD CALLED 3 SCUMS ON MY FIRST 3 SCUM READS. That was on disney villian mafia. So yeah, granted one game might not be enough to make a judgement out of you, but from my experience you fucking suck at reading me and you are the biggest tunnel vissioner ive probably encountered. And the fact that you got on your "scum read" on an RVS Drunk post of me which was fucking super cool is indeed fucking stupid.
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It is as our squirrelly friend indicated. Though my motivations are probably different from her own.In post 233, BulbaFenix wrote:
Chandra... Mind answering me? I prefer folks not to dodge me...In post 143, BulbaFenix wrote:
Why avoid answering questions?In post 141, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
You.In post 132, Umbrage wrote:
is this regarding me or pidgey?In post 129, Chandra Nalaar wrote:2/10 would still lynch
also do I know you?
I'm going to try to refrain from answering questions like this one when possible.
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The question I was dodging was Umbrage's. I didn't even notice yours. Obviously my behavior demonstrates that I have played with Bulba before, so I see no further harm. I think he's a strong player who I'm not going to be very good at reading. But I will read every damn word of those walls trying to.In post 252, BulbaFenix wrote:In post 238, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Yes, it does. I'm avoiding questions that have anything to do with my main account, because I wish not to be associated with it at present.
I give zero fucks (count it, 0) to this being an alt or if I know them or not, that's not the issue. I asked 1 simple question, 'tell me your thoughts on the Bulba head of the hydra.' That, respectfully, gives nothing away in my opinion. It's just thoughts, because I am simply curious, since I know Bulba has more time to dedicate to playing this game than I, what they THINK of that head. (thoughts on his play style, posting style of walls, etc)UnfriendlyNeighbors wrote:Oh for fuck's sake, fenix. Respect their right to be an alt. Do you think their answer to knowing you or not will actyually advance the game state in any way, or give you insight onto their alignment?
The fact that they are using the 'i'm going to avoid these sorts of questions to avoid conflicting with my main,' makes me uneasy as hell, because it's an excuse that can be used as a crutch later on down the line imo. And avoiding me, only makes me more headstrong to keep picking till I get an answer.
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Is it not too blatantly scum thinking, though?In post 299, Squirrel Girl wrote:I'd also like to note - he was "trying to make my argument look as silly as possible" when my arguemnet was - Pidgey and Yates are null.
THIS IS SCUM THINKING.
It doesn't make him town, either. It makes him really fucking argumentative and annoying.In post 306, Umbrage wrote:SERIOUSLY WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE VOTING YATES
HE'S WRONG AS SHIT BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM SCUM
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I just thought it was a stretch to read so much into it.In post 342, beastcharizard wrote:@Josh:
Why aren't you voting?
@Chandra:
Did you just imply it is so scummy it is town? Has that ever worked out for you? I mean that gives scum the oppurtinity to be blatantly scummy and get a town read from you for it. It seems a little naive to me.
Could you possibly just stop arguing about pidgey, it's making my eyes bleed.In post 344, Yates wrote:
I'm saying you weren't hunting yet [at least not to the extent that SG should be able to give you a Town read for it]. To me hunting is a process that allows people to find scum [or Town] - which is separate from simply stating a read. While I can't find a legit definition of scumhunting, this is from the Townie page:In post 328, pidgey wrote:Yates are you saying im fake hunting in those first 7 posts, not counting the obviously charizard part? Or not hunting?
"traditional scumhunting methods -analysis of actions, intent, voting, previous posts, etc"
Not super helpful but the bolded is what I would be looking for to determine if someone was scumhunting versus making random reads/faking reads.-
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Really? I didn't think it was any good at all.
It's also quite a stretch to call it a case. It was at best a demonstration of one contradiction. I've learned from the past that a contradiction does not necessarily indicate scum, and I happen to think it's not nearly as dramatic a change as it's being made out to be.
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Did a quick skim of most of the non-Yates/SG substantial posters and a couple lurkers too.
Townreads: Fenix, Josh, Thad, Nero, ZZZX?
Scumreads: jklash, Kid A
None of these are strong, and I'm not counting those I already had a read on (i.e. pidgey is still town)
Umbrage's early posts still bug me, but the later ones are okay. Is it bad that I want to put my vote somewhere useless?
I may have to actually figure out if Yates is scum, even though it sounds about as pleasant as carving my eyes out with a rusty spoon.-
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See, folks, this is what mudslinging looks like.In post 436, The Rufflig wrote:BulbaFeniz : Let's give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just trying to get a reaction to get a better read on this slot..
I was just about to say that I'd be willing to express reasons for any of the reads I just gave (or have given before) upon request.
You're right, I'm not trying very hard to get my scumreads lynched right now. Mostly because none of them are very strong and I'm hoping something better will strike me as the day goes on. Don't worry, when I'm ready for the day to end, you will damn well know it.
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jklash was 90% agreement re: this vote seeming opportunistic.In post 372, jklash12 wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: pisgey
I like rufflig's case on pidgey plus pidgeys reaction lately makes pidgey look scummy to me.
This reads like scum cheekiness.In post 154, Kid A wrote:
unless you have a reason for me doing it that involves me being scum its not a scumtellIn post 110, ZZZX wrote: also just saw Kid A post, I dont think you actually posted a reason for your vote? Are you just simply sheeping? The last time I checked that IS a scum tell.
This is rich coming from someone who's not scumhunting either.In post 155, Kid A wrote:
he is more concerned about telling everyone how town he is than finding scumIn post 124, BulbaFenix wrote:Unvote
@Kid A
Mind explaining why you've voted the way you have so far?
And this isn't a reason or really even an agreement. It also attempts to give the illusion Kid A is doing anything whatsoever, which he is not.In post 399, Kid A wrote:im sheeping this wagon because it is better than anything i have come up with
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In post 66, The Rufflig wrote:
Why do you want a bulbafenix wagon? Could I interest you in an Aronis wagon? If one has an awesome character then one doesn't consider trading for the worst Marvel character.In post 59, Chandra Nalaar wrote:We only have a week to make this wagon happen.
^this was weird and illogicalIn post 68, The Rufflig wrote:It wasn't when you made the vote and pushed for it.
At first, I thought this looked like trying to get pidgey to do your dirty work. However, you proceed to argue against pidgey in the following post. Calling it "interesting" first appears to me to be a case of cognitive dissonance and/or light trapping. I tend to think townies don't plan their posts/trajectories ahead of time.In post 127, The Rufflig wrote:@pidgey: Interesting. Would you say displaced is attempting to smear mozamis or mozamis' read on me?
The "let me ask myself a question" rhetorical device rubs me the wrong way, even though in general I don't object to the point.In post 152, The Rufflig wrote:
So what about Kid A? Why am I not pressing him?In post 149, Aronis wrote:Ruffig, why are you voting for me?
Another excellent question! He stated that his character name is 'Wolverine'. Such unforced disclosures early on almost always come from town. I've not run across a case where a scum did this, but it is possible so almost always. Anyway, that disclosure led to me not being interested in Kid A, today.
I just don't think pidgey looks scummy at all until you squint really hard trying to make it so.In post 229, The Rufflig wrote:
Apparently, you didn't figure it out. That's ok, just pay attention to displaced - he caught all of the problems with Pidgey's posts that I was picking at.In post 159, vezokpiraka wrote:Ok. Are you scum?
VOTE: Pidgey
As has been established, even if you thought pidgey meant what everyone apparently thought he did, this was a reach and a half.In post 258, The Rufflig wrote: In my opinion, displaced's post is in no way or form throwing dirt on someone. When I pressed pidgey on this, his explanation changed to this:
That is a dramatic change in pidgey's reason to vote for displaced.In post 136, pidgey wrote:Also to whoever asked, i feel that going out of his way to just mentiona point anout something without really commiting to a read was what made me weary of displaced
Neither "obviously false" nor "forced" is an applicable adjective to the posts in question.In post 258, The Rufflig wrote:
Because displaced covered these points (and more) in his posts about pidgey. pidgey's initial case against displaced is obviously false. pidgey's revised case is forced.In post 232, jklash12 wrote:Why did you vote for pidgey if you were talking about displaced?
This is not logic, nor does it resemble logic, and I don't like how you're putting words in Nero's mouth either.In post 433, The Rufflig wrote: 3) Let's set aside pidgey's case for the moment. The game started on a weekend when nothing much had happened yet. Could you look me in the eye and state that displaced's post held scummy intent? Why would he bother? Having established that displaced's post help no scummy intent pidgey's claims are called into sharp question.
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YepIn post 445, Umbrage wrote:this is a town reaction, like REALLY town
I think you switched some of the names around hereIn post 445, Umbrage wrote:Rufflig's got a decent case on Chandra, but I still have a super strong gut town read on Chandra-
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I'd like to take this moment to note your decision to start out by discrediting me as "not paying attention" and then to do exactly nothing in the rest of the post to demonstrate that I was not paying attention. You're just trying to sound pretty.In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:Good lord. Where to begin with this mess? You obviously haven't been paying attention.
I never stated that I voted for Bulbafenix because his wagon was larger. You're extrapolating from what I did say to something that isn't true.In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:
Your stated reason for voting BulbaFenix at this point was that the BulbaFenix wagon was larger. This was untrue. So you were either mistaken or you had a different reason for voting BulbaFenix. I pressed you on it. Hey! Guess what? I was right. According to you, you were trying to get a reaction from BulbaFenix to get a better read on the slot.In post 439, Chandra Nalaar wrote:In post 66, The Rufflig wrote:
Why do you want a bulbafenix wagon? Could I interest you in an Aronis wagon? If one has an awesome character then one doesn't consider trading for the worst Marvel character.In post 59, Chandra Nalaar wrote:We only have a week to make this wagon happen.
^this was weird and illogicalIn post 68, The Rufflig wrote:It wasn't when you made the vote and pushed for it.
Completely different. I didn't do any misleading.In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:
So you didn't plan to make posts to get a reaction from BulbaFenix?
At first, I thought this looked like trying to get pidgey to do your dirty work. However, you proceed to argue against pidgey in the following post. Calling it "interesting" first appears to me to be a case of cognitive dissonance and/or light trapping. I tend to think townies don't plan their posts/trajectories ahead of time.In post 127, The Rufflig wrote:@pidgey: Interesting. Would you say displaced is attempting to smear mozamis or mozamis' read on me?
I guess I'm blind.In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:
I think you'd have to be blind not to see it. Keep in mind, I'm not the only one to pick up on these things. So, there is something there - or possibly something, if you are inclined to argue.
I just don't think pidgey looks scummy at all until you squint really hard trying to make it so.In post 229, The Rufflig wrote:
Apparently, you didn't figure it out. That's ok, just pay attention to displaced - he caught all of the problems with Pidgey's posts that I was picking at.In post 159, vezokpiraka wrote:Ok. Are you scum?
VOTE: Pidgey
There is a reason I'm scumreading most of that wagon. I don't believe there is anything.
(Hint: It's not solid)In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:
Huh? That doesn't make sense. Anyway, I think we are all sick of arguing over what pidgey said. I don't need to win this point. It turns out that I can drop this point from my case and still have a damn solid case against pidgey.
As has been established, even if you thought pidgey meant what everyone apparently thought he did, this was a reach and a half.In post 258, The Rufflig wrote: In my opinion, displaced's post is in no way or form throwing dirt on someone. When I pressed pidgey on this, his explanation changed to this:
That is a dramatic change in pidgey's reason to vote for displaced.In post 136, pidgey wrote:Also to whoever asked, i feel that going out of his way to just mentiona point anout something without really commiting to a read was what made me weary of displaced
First of all, it's only neutral by your say-so.In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:
You find pidgey latching onto a neutral post and ascribing scummy things to it to be a natural progression? It seems forced to me. Can you come up with a rational reason why displaced would feel the need to throw dirt on mozamis (or anyone else)? With only two posts to work with, do you honestly believe that pidgey could determine scummy intent? Not a chance!
Neither "obviously false" nor "forced" is an applicable adjective to the posts in question.In post 258, The Rufflig wrote:
Because displaced covered these points (and more) in his posts about pidgey. pidgey's initial case against displaced is obviously false. pidgey's revised case is forced.In post 232, jklash12 wrote:Why did you vote for pidgey if you were talking about displaced?
Second of all, YOU don't seem to have been paying attention, because we literally just cleared up the confusion about "throwing dirt" last page.
You assume that the response to your question is "no, you couldn't look me in the eye and state that displaced's post held scummy intent".In post 451, The Rufflig wrote:
There is a reason that prosecutors routinely bring up motive in a murder case to establish guilt. It is self evident that I am asking for displaced's motive. Here is the context: it is early day 1 without much to comment on. What is displaced's motive? If displaced doesn't have a motive (and no one has been able to provide one), then it is likely that displaced's post was not, in fact, the sinister thing that pidgey made it out to be. That would make pidgey's accusation false. False accusations are not to be taken lightly and reflect back upon the accuser. Very clear and very logical train of thought.
This is not logic, nor does it resemble logic, and I don't like how you're putting words in Nero's mouth either.In post 433, The Rufflig wrote: 3) Let's set aside pidgey's case for the moment. The game started on a weekend when nothing much had happened yet. Could you look me in the eye and state that displaced's post held scummy intent? Why would he bother? Having established that displaced's post help no scummy intent pidgey's claims are called into sharp question.
So yeah.
I fail to see how I've put words in Nero's mouth.
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You did not correct any errors in the post in question. You probably suspect no one will read closely enough to realize that this point is flagrantly made up. Contradictions: lol, show me them. Arguments: I'm pretty sure my post was comprised entirely of arguments. Proof: Is what scum demand when they are suspected on grounds they don't think are the correct ones, and is not a real thing that exists in mafia outside of power roles.In post 466, The Rufflig wrote:
If you had been paying attention, I wouldn't have to keep correcting all your errors that you keep posting. As expected, the wall only brought contradictions from you without any arguments or proof.In post 452, Chandra Nalaar wrote:I'd like to take this moment to note your decision to start out by discrediting me as "not paying attention" and then to do exactly nothing in the rest of the post to demonstrate that I was not paying attention. You're just trying to sound pretty.
Go ahead, quote it, and I'll tell you how that's not what I said. I'm waiting.In post 466, The Rufflig wrote:
I'm sorry. I asked you point blank why you were voting for BulbaFenix and thatIn post 452, Chandra Nalaar wrote:I never stated that I voted for Bulbafenix because his wagon was larger. You're extrapolating from what I did say to something that isn't true.wasyour reply. Would quoting it directly for you again refresh your memory or are you going to continue to deny your own posts?
No, it was not. You asked me if I was interested in voting Aronis, and I told you the Bulba wagon was larger. I did not tell you that was why I was voting on it.In post 466, The Rufflig wrote:
We weren't talking about misleading. However, your stated reason for voting BulbaFenix was because his wagon was larger. It turns out that wasn't the case. So misleading also applies here.In post 452, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Completely different. I didn't do any misleading.
I can't, because I have no idea what your case is without that point.In post 466, The Rufflig wrote:
Then come up with an argument to dispute it instead of just contradicting everything I say. That should be an easy bar to reach if the case isn't solid.In post 452, Chandra Nalaar wrote:(Hint: It's not solid)
First: That's nice.In post 466, The Rufflig wrote:
First, are you paying attention to anyone? Even pidgey now states that the post was neutral -- that is the damn basis of his case against displaced -- that displaced didFirst of all, it's only neutral by your say-so.
Second of all, YOU don't seem to have been paying attention, because we literally just cleared up the confusion about "throwing dirt" last page.nottake a side with his post.
Second, We did not clear up the mess of pidgey's throwing dirt. We just got tired of arguing about it. Excuse me - not arguing, contradicting. The clearing up is utter nonsense.
Second: Oh my fuck. He used the wrong fucking expression by accident. Holy shit. It's not hard to process this.
Actually, I have no interest in disproving that statement or of telling you I think that scummy intent exists. What I think about it is entirely irrelevant to the fact that you were putting those words in someone's mouth.In post 466, The Rufflig wrote:
That would be a very easy statement to disprove, if it was false. Simply state a reasonable scummy motive behind the post. Go ahead. I'm listening.You assume that the response to your question is "no, you couldn't look me in the eye and state that displaced's post held scummy intent".-
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Who cares? If I freely claimed, I don't know, Thor at the beginning, would that make me automatically town? Fakeclaims exist.In post 474, Josh_B wrote:
Why are you so hung up on KidA, He freely claimed wolverine at the beginning. Now unless you have some reason to believe that wolverine isn't in this game, or that wolverine is a fake claim that just hasn't been CC'd yet, I'm not seeing any issue against him that would indicate that he's scum.In post 455, BulbaFenix wrote:Girls, Girls (Yates and SG), you're both beautiful... Now, can we come together and pluck out some scummies? Like KidA?
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Believe me, I don't like lurkers and inactives any more than the next guy, but that doesn't mean they're automatically scum.
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That doesn't really make sense v.v
Yes, there is reason to believe Kid A's claim isn't true, and it's that his posts are scummy! And that's what we're here to play based on. I can't tell if you're actually new or not, but any mod worth his salt gives fake rolenames to the mafia around here if they're necessary.-
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It's not an advantage, it's a fighting chance. What if we decided to all claim our rolenames on Day 1, and someone asked scum player X to go first. He has no choice but to pick something out of a hat and potentially dies right then and there for no good reason. It's what's done. The only point of flavor is to be flavor. Any game breakable by mass flavor claim wouldn't pass the review process.-
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To the first part of this post, mods absolutely do that and I can pull up plenty of examples of this.In post 487, BulbaFenix wrote:
I'm sorry, but no... A mod isn't going to go out of their way to give the mafia a 'fighting chance' by giving them ALL a character role to claim. UNLESS, it is ROLE specific, something in this game like Mystique I could see getting a role that calls for that. Other than that, no. If EVERYONE mass claimed day one, it then comes down to, 'ok, who's claim is believe-able'? After that, you give the MAFIA the advantage by leaping up and going, 'I got *insert character here*. 'But, that's my character! (another poster)' and it then becomes a truth/chaotic war where the town can devour itself while the mafia drink in the chaos.In post 484, Chandra Nalaar wrote:It's not an advantage, it's a fighting chance. What if we decided to all claim our rolenames on Day 1, and someone asked scum player X to go first. He has no choice but to pick something out of a hat and potentially dies right then and there for no good reason. It's what's done. The only point of flavor is to be flavor. Any game breakable by mass flavor claim wouldn't pass the review process.
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See, now this I get.In post 505, pidgey wrote:What he said
The wolvie claim means nothing, the timing is what gives a lil townish vibe
Because it's more fun that way!In post 506, Josh_B wrote:
Why theme a game then, if counter claims are impossible? Why go through all the work of assigning characters to the roles if they don't mean anything?In post 503, Chandra Nalaar wrote:You'll want to stay away from all theme games on this site then.-
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Then why aren't you voting them?In post 528, PeregrineV wrote: You and Mutley and moz. Of course, those are just existing wagons. I think there are better players to vote.-
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This post. It sucks.In post 526, ZZZX wrote:In post 411, pidgey wrote:
And if you mean his, then this.In post 121, displaced wrote:
Don't really think this is a good way to try to discern alignment.In post 113, mozamis wrote:His early posts, particularly this one:
all felt quite relaxed and "bantery". Doesn't seem at all nervous or forced.In post 17, The Rufflig wrote:It was a reference to the show called "The Awesomes" (catch it on Hulu - it's quite good), Aronis. The main character of which is Professor Doctor Jeremy "Prock"Awesome.
I must bow to Squirrel Girl's superior knowledge of comic book minutiae.In post 404, pidgey wrote:Lol.
I could apperantly say "Im going to make a sandwich guys" and youd respond "SANDWICH? SCUM!"In post 410, pidgey wrote:I mean its in my iso right there but here.
In post 125, pidgey wrote:I dunno i have no reads yet nero seems town for now.
Displaced looks scummy with his last post since that seems like a little "throw some dirt and see if it sticks"
vote: DisplacedIn post 400, pidgey wrote:Im speachlessIn post 397, pidgey wrote:What if I had said "Ice cream at the wall" that would have so many connotations.In post 384, pidgey wrote:(Those 2= ruff and displaced. The red bird is just a lazy sheep that read saw words and thought "oo a case")
I did the first few posts I saw, Is it me or is most of those notihng useful?In post 378, pidgey wrote:At least if im lynched you would all had a goldmine to work with since apperantly im all the talk today and everyone is either commenting about my RVS posts or inventing some fucking crap about me.-
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I don't believe pidgey's case. If you'd been listening to me, you might have figured out that I don't think that's relevant, and I don't even think HE would call it a case, it was two fucking posts. You are trying to reduce this argument into something that it isn't so that you can win it even though you don't have a leg to stand on, and I refuse to participate in it. This point has nothing to do with anything. Anyone who actually cares enough to read our entire wallfest as one unit will see that you've tried the entire time to replace my argument with one of your own that you can actually win. You are scum.In post 542, The Rufflig wrote:Let's try to cut these walls down in size. This is the most important part, as far as I'm concerned.
It is not irrelevant. What you think is definitely important. Your case on me depends on my case on pidgey. My case on pidgey depends on pidgey's case on displaced. You've been defending pidgey for some time now. It isn't a stretch to state that you must have swallowed pidgey's case on displaced and therefore think I'm off-base for going after pidgey. If you don't believe in pidgey's case, then you have no case on me.In post 475, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Actually, I have no interest in disproving that statement or of telling you I think that scummy intent exists. What I think about it is entirely irrelevant to the fact that you were putting those words in someone's mouth.
I would like to hear your thoughts on pidgey's case and why you believe it.
^townIn post 544, pidgey wrote:Since ive all the fucking hot talk in this day im willing to be fucking lynched since you guys would get a ton of info as long as you lynch this goddamn scumbo tomorrow.
And now you're posting completely unrelated things to try to distract from the fact that this post is COMPLETELY RIGHT.In post 545, pidgey wrote:You dont want to keep talking about it because your entire "case" against me depended on those 2 posts, and now that everyone fucking showed and realized you were just misdirecting my two posts as something they werent (and even if they were what you say, they arent even that scummy). You have said nothing regarding my slot about anything else besides those 2 posts and now you are suddenly saying you have a very meaty and solid case even if you take that away, but thats a fucking gigantic lie. Seriously, you REALLY DONT. Im calling your bluff, quote it.-
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Cheeky fucking scumbutt. You're right, it's quite plain no one is going to bother lynch you over what is essentially a scumclaim because they aren't paying attention. Good deduction. Keep refusing to link to a post that doesn't exist.In post 555, The Rufflig wrote:Nope. How many other players do you hear in this discussion? No one else cares.
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???In post 567, vezokpiraka wrote:
Either bussing or very tired bulba.In post 563, BulbaFenix wrote:Vote The Rufflig
He attempts to dodge discussion more than he actually tries to engage. He states that he has a case or has stated a case, yet when asked about it, he avoids talking about it. He refuses to back points up. He tries to look like he's being incredibly pro-town, and that he's not going to clog up the thread with arguments or walls, but in reality, he's avoiding talking about his assertions and cases and is trying to put on a show more than actually trying to show why what he's saying is accurate or why Pidgey or Chandra are scum.
-Bulba
I don't think that post is particularly alignment indicative, anyone can construct a rational argument that describes exactly what just happened, though perhaps not in so articulate a fashion. I am starting to lean town on Yates though.In post 570, mozamis wrote:Right, Yates last post about Rufflig makes him look very town to me. It's completely logical, doesn't seem to misrep or exaggarare or obfuscate in anyway, and seems completely open and transparent. If he is scum, then he is very, very good. But seems unlikely as hell.
Rufflig, I care about the argument and dislike the fact that you seem to be trying to shut it down. Also, why would you give up on trying to get your two best scum reads lynched this early in the game? Also, I think I understand why you think Pidgey is scum. But your scum read on Chandra seems pretty much just OMGUS, please explain.
My answer is neither. I could not care less that he claimed Wolverine and the amount of discussion on it has been silly. As such, I read him as a little scummy based on his lack of play.In post 574, Josh_B wrote:
I hope PV responds to this too. probably Chandra{Is it your Birthday?},Fenix, and some of the others that were in on the conversation earlier can talk about this too. My original theory that such an early claim that wasn't counter claimed was a sign of it being town. The extent of counterclaims however indicates that unless his role lines up with his claim, it could be a predetermined fake claim.In post 565, jklash12 wrote:JoshB and/or PV, you were speculating about Kid A claiming wolverine. With him saying this, would this make him a bad lynch because of the uncertainty of his role or would it make him a good lynch because he claimed as he did?
Thanks
My position is that his play style lines up with an inexperienced pioneer(someone that likes to wagon). However, it's not the case that he is inexperienced, so his play style this game has been purposely anti- town trolling. I have a theory about why an semi-experienced player claiming wolverine would do that, but I think it should be proven on a future DP.-
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I don't feel like having that argument anymore either, so I'll basically drop it. Rufflig remains scum, though.
@Nero: You didn't think the length of time he spent confused rang a bit town? Also, I'm not particularly aware of new scum doing that?
Also, beast is pretty much scum. As much for 590 as the original problem. Who responds to "this point is scummy and makes no sense" with "wah but I'm town and you should look at this completely unrelated thing!!!" ? Nobody does.-
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Also this.In post 591, BulbaFenix wrote:
How is refuting your points and asking you to actually back up your assertions being "deliberately inflammatory"?In post 588, The Rufflig wrote:Chandra's posts towards me were deliberately inflammatory.
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@Umbrage: you're actually right, bc is really obvscum, and I almost want to move my vote there because some small part of me can still imagine ruffles being severely misguided town fond of misreps. ZZZX is also scum. Honestly I would be fine with any of those three lynches.
I'm not gonna go point by point through ruffles' last post unless there is a really big desire from anyone other than him for me to do so. I recognize that continuing to batter at him would be more likely to get the lynch I want to happen, but I'm really just kind of tired of it? There is a chance I'll change my mind when I'm in a more fiery mood.-
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