Mass Effect Mafia - [Game Over]

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't think there's much of a point to that.

VOTE: Varsoon

I feel like he's bona fide scum rn.

[Elsa and Anna]

I mean I don't know how to distinguish between all the different flavours of scum but he doesn't feel like someone who can win with town.

If that makes sense.

[Elsa and Anna]

Yeah, pretty close to positive Varsoon is scum here.

More votes go go go.

[Elsa and Anna]

Hullo, it is I, and I am cute.

Hi cute.

Yeah, pretty close to positive Varsoon is scum here.

More votes go go go.

Cool, I'm absolutely positive you're wrong.


P-EDIT: Okay, that makes more sense. Well, shit then. I guess there's no real ways to game the setup and oust scum super easy.

So not a town reaction.

[Elsa and Anna]

lol.

scummity scum scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

And I as well!

[Elsa and Anna]

I have a proposal.

What if we NL and all the Turians and Asari claim their results?

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't actually see the point of day game at this point when 2/3 of the game are not town and I'm not quite sure how to distinguish scum from other scum from other scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

I disagree.
One night kill will never be aimed at either faction based on the game design.
The turians and asari's main enemies are actually each other since town can only win with one of them: and neither have night kills.

[Elsa and Anna]

Actually the scum faction that can't win with it has a lot of motivation to shoot for the respective topicless faction.

Regardless, I'm not comfortable with informing the NKs and essentially neutering two entire factions.

You don't talk like a member of one of them, yet you semiclaimed to be.

[Elsa and Anna]

You don't claim that you win with humans when you're a human.

[Elsa and Anna]

wait so E&A you think Varsoon lied about winning with humans? I'm not sure what your thinking on his slot is rn.

I'm thinking he's Geth > Kill Faction > Turian/Asari > Human.

so should we lynch people who claim to be Turian/Asari or aim for the greater evil?

fuck off.

[Elsa and Anna]

In case you hadn't fucking realized Turian and Asari are an entire faction of alignment cops that are just missing out on one faction.

Why would we lynch in them if we believe the claim?

[Elsa and Anna]

Here's my proposal.
Turians and Asari all massclaim not as their race but simply as 'Alien winning with town'
Then we can NL, they target outside of that pool, and lynch anyone that they get guilties on.
Easy!

[Elsa and Anna]

Uhm.
Somehow I was under the impression that the Turian/Asari factional ability was that they could check if another player won with them, not if they're the same faction...

awks.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm going to like, let FA play this game now.

bye.

[Elsa and Anna]

Varsoon is obvscum for making such a show of claiming 'faction I want to get rid of' and all that crap.
Just in case everyone wasn't already aware.

I mean I won't say for 100% that he's not Taur/Asa because I don't know precisely how they'd play but he's definitely not human and he's already a super strong pick for today's lynch.

[Elsa and Anna]

Don't really have any scumreads on anyone who has participated yet.

E&A reads to me as more human or Asari/Turian who faked that slip than a scumteam member.

Varsoon read?

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

I wanted to RVS but you guys are so scummy :/

VOTE: Beeboy

This can go first actually.

[Elsa and Anna]

If he hardclaims (Asari/Turian) I'm reasonably fine with leaving him alive since he'll end up being outed later in the game as scum.

I'm pretty sure that Beeboy is chainsawing the fuck out of Varsoon like he did in Shotty's game though.

Like there is 4 Asa/Taur you aren't ending gaming with a fake Taur/Asa claim it is that simple.

LOL.
We are town and we wanted to fake a claim as an unspecified member of those factions to avoid getting nightkilled.
You can bet that if we were scum we'd claim as one of them.

Beeboy you're fucking garbage as scum.

There is no ifs, buts, nos Varsoon would be playing like utter shit if he claimed that as scum unless he plans on snowballing his team to endgame.

Do you get off on rolling scum and acting like you have an IQ of 50 and hoping no one asks questions about it?

Did I hit a nerve?

A scummy one, certainly.

[Elsa and Anna]

Like, Beeboy's scumgame is like Sircakez's scumgame.
He hard defends the shit out of his partner by making up the most terrible nonsensical logic ever and defending it to the death.
Does anyone here believe that Beeboy actually believes anything that he just said?

So you are saying I am an angel on Varsoon?

That is some pro analysis.

I'm saying that you're his scumbuddy, which is basically the same thing with your terrible playstyle.

This is RC, right? RC can you like, turn it down a notch? The anger/meanness is a bit much right now and this is coming from me.

Beeboy's scum though.
I'm sure he's not taking it personally?
I mean this is literally exactly what he did just a few games ago and he intentionally drove up the 'making it personal' aspect there so I'm not shying away from it here.

[Elsa and Anna]

Do you get off on rolling scum and acting like you have an IQ of 50 and hoping no one asks questions about it?

You do realize that if he claimed Asa/Taur and is lying he is fucked right?

Every member of Asari and Taurian have a cop ability and will most likely target Varsoon at some point this game. Like Varsoon claimed something incredibly confirmable and you are trying to lynch him so obviously I have a problem with that. So can you shut up?

It literally said on the first page that godfathers and variants exist. So no?
You're saying that no scum are going to claim Taurian / Asari. That is fucking bunk and I don't believe there's a shred of doubt that you could ACTUALLY believe that. So no?

And no, I'm not going to shut up because I'm not letting scumfucks control town. This game has a scum majority so I'm going to be loud as fuck to control the day game.

What game did I do that? The one where I was an angel on someone who was in the process of being lynched because I think these games are different.

You aren't thinking, Varsoon claimed a confirmable role and you are trying to lynch him.

I will try to lynch anyone who is scum. I am, however, trying to lynch you instead right now, because you are his scumbuddy and are scum regardless of his alignment.

I don't hard defend scum buddies lol. The like one time I did was in Celebrity uPick which was ages ago.
Fakeclaiming Asari/Turian is sucide because every Turian/Asari has an alignment cop.

-SC

beebs has a point.

Question: What if Varsoon is like a half breed who is aligned with a kill faction but gets a positive result from Turian/Asari? How do we deal with it?
Beeboy doesn't have a point, his logic doesn't make sense, there is definitely going to be scum in the Turian/Asari claims, we were town and we wanted to claim that.

Varsoon's play is scummy and Beeboy's known for jumping out in exactly this manner as scum to defend his scumbuddies. I want Beeboy dead.

[Elsa and Anna]

Their cop actions can't be redirected/framed, i kinda doubt anything else exists to dilute them. and the race numbers are public. I don't know Mass Effect THAT well (played with 1 and 2 once) but half-breeds doesn't ring any bells.

We're still putting off a verdict on someone who is being scummy as fuck.
And fine: let's let Varsoon live. Vote Beeboy with me.

This isn't a bastard game, something like that would be bastard imo.

-SC

THERE ARE KNOWN GODFATHERS IN THE FIRST PAGE AND YOU'RE SAYING THE EXISTENCE OF A GODFATHER IS BASTARD.

HOLY CRAP THERE ARE TOO MANY SCUM IN THIS GAME.

[Elsa and Anna]

Leanscum: {Nahdia}
Probscum: {Varsoon}
Definitely scum: {Sircakez, Beeboy}

No townreads at this time.

Varsoon claimed a conformable role and you are trying to put a spin on this to make me look like an idiot and Varsoon is scum and you are wondering why I am voting you.

Nope! Not a confirmable role. Even if he was, I've lynched confirmable roles for being sufficiently scumfuck. But I said I was willing to let him go temporarily on these grounds- and you're pushing me on it. And I'm not even voting him. I'm voting you, his partner and/or white knight. And no, I didn't call you an idiot, I said you are scum who is pretending to be an idiot because you're not ambitious enough as scum to come up with legitimate reasons to do things as scum besides to be obnoxiously loud and hope that you get away with people assuming that you're actually not good enough to know better than what you claim to believe. What I'm saying is the opposite, that in fact you are NOT an idiot, and that I'm not going to treat you like one and will instead vote you when you pretend to be.

E&A, your read on beeboy is dependent on Varsoon being scum because he defends his scummates. Listen to yourself.
Look, maybe you have something here, but I'm not hopping on this train yet. I'm not nearly convinced enough and beeboy IS right, Varsoon's soft can be checked.
beeboy ftr i think your vote is bad. i don't think E&A is being scummy here, tunneling people is kinda RC's thing from what I can tell.

Huge difference between false negatives and false positives.
For the record, I believe that if someone can appear as Turian that they're almost certainly able to win with Turians. I don't think such is too unfair.

And no, I'm scumreading Beeboy because his positions make no sense and he likes to be loud and hard defend people on crap as scum.

Sure I am scum for saying a confirmable role shouldn't be lynched because he could be a god father.
If he uses his godfather ability to confirm himself as town this is multiball so he will just be shot by the other scum team.

Believing that Varsoon is not a good D1 lynch: OK. That's believable.
Believing that I'm insta scum for wanting to lynch someone scummy because apparently he's uber mega confirmed town and I should scumread him for it?
No, that's not a thing.

So which head is this? The firey one or the ice one?

This is the Anna head!

That first part likely comes from scum and the second part will make me enjoy opening this thread.

I'm aware that it's unpleasant to play with people who don't fall for your scum plays. Sorry that I'm ruining the game for you!

[Elsa and Anna]

Southern Spice dropped out... they were probably in a lame faction. That's why I want to lynch their replacement.

How would you define a lame faction?

[Elsa and Anna]

Hey, I didn't ask for all of the active posters to be scum.

You do realize in the last game I played with RC when I was scum I spent the entire game busing by scum partner.

1) I was not in this game.
2) No, you did not hard defend your scum partner. You guys quicklynched RadiantHorsebells (who ISN'T me) as opposed to letting your partner get lynched.
3) I heard about hard defending as part of your scum meta from Midsummer Night's Dream, actually. Then I saw you pull it into play in the 'offsite' game.
Borderlands? Like, I have a laundry list of this.

I am quick to defend scum? RC is literally full of himself/

Question:
Why would he say I'm 'full of myself' if I was wrong here?
Wouldn't he then think of me as 'idiotic' or something along those lines?
He's saying 'full of myself' because he's frustrated because I'm RIGHT. No one EVER makes those comments when you're not right.
See me using it against BBT in paint the village red. Or various other times. Anyway.

What other game do I hard defend my buddy in? (angel games don't count)

Oh I'm sorry I forgot that you get to decide what games don't count.

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh, and also: he claims to think that I'm scum. I didn't even piece that together.
How does it make sense to call scum 'full of themselves'?

True, but realistically not every active player is going to be scum even with the scum majority.

-SC

Doesn't mean that you guys aren't!

we'll see who is active and actually town later.

[Elsa and Anna]

Except I never said it was about your meta.

I said it was about your positions being illogical, and it fitting into a known scumplay framework from you is simply icing on the cake!

[Elsa and Anna]

The case was that your position was illogical.
Me pointing out that it's part of your typical scumplay was a preemptive defense of the WHY WOULD HE DO IT AS SCUM and a supplementary argument that it's something you like doing as scum!
You're not being pushed for hard defending, you're being pushed for hard defending based on faulty reasoning.

I am tempted to replace out.
Every time I play with RC he tunnels me and I always hate myself because how annoyed his pushes always make me.
I question why I join games with him at this point.

You deathtunneled me in 564.
I tried to get NM down the entire game, pushed for his being vigged over everyone else.
You chainsaw pushed on me the entire NM period, never addressed your read on him and tried to get the vig onto me over NM.
I had a choice between you BBT and NM with Apri super townreading me and I pushed for the dayvig onto NM.

FOLLOWING THIS, you STILL had me as your biggest scumread and tried to get me lynched and tried to arrange a 1v1.
I had reasons to scumread you. you had no reasons to scumread me yet you and BBT insisted on fighting me to the death about it anyway.
I've never misread you in another game.

I'm sorry if my pushing makes you feel bad? but I'm here to win and I'm absolutely fine with everything that I've done thus far this game.
If I'm upset with something I do or say I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong but I feel like you're just salty because you're scum 'caught for the wrong reasons' to you.
And frankly this is exactly the kind of crap that you said in the game where you were in fact 3p sided with scum so I'm not at all able to take your pushes seriously when I have no reason to believe that you would not say the exact same kind of crap as scum when I know that you're willing to make this uber personal and painful for everyone for tactical reasons because you just did it.

And alright. I'll let Varsoon go for now.
You're not lynching me though!

Isn't replacing out because you don't like your factional roll against the rules or something?

Question: For the people who think this is a thing, what faction do you think they replaced out on account of?

And yeah, Geth was the one I was thinking of in response to Party Boat.

[Elsa and Anna]

Then again, Geth's night abilities are probably incredibly jacked up and they probably have multiple factional cops and shit so.
*shrug*

Now personally I think Elsa and Anna are trying way too hard and their master plan is okayish in theory if every person went along with it (which they won't) but wouldn't actually give 'the town' (i'm just going to call town humans because it's the purest definition of it here) an actual advantage given that I'd think pretty much every kill would be then directed at claimed humans and make actual humans die out at a way faster rate, which is the literal worst possible scenario.

Except that scum and geth would also be in the human pile.
Shush.
FTR, I really don't like Party Boat either.

I am Marcus Aurelius Copernicus Maximus Quinius. *strikes a pose*

So cute!

[Elsa and Anna]

Ranger has Beeboy as a second tier townread and has claimed a scumread on me but is not pushing me.

That's not town.

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Ranger

I'm human, you should know better.

[Elsa and Anna]

no.

[Elsa and Anna]

Ranger's just scum full stop. Probably with Beeboy.
He explained like absolutely gamebreaking issues with Beeboy's claim and then... moved him down to tier 2. No explanation of why the townread was ever that strong.

And the scumread on me? no.

[Elsa and Anna]

Elsa is here!
I just realized this game is started.
will start reading in an hour.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: CuriousKarmaDog
First person to form a counterwagon is always scum.

Also, I win with Humans.

you win with humans? what a weird choice of wording.

Oh, I thought people-who-won-with-humans was a majority?
Regardless, I was thinking of strategies.
Maybe everyone could claim human or non-human?
Although I don't know if that'd help/solve anything.
Someone with more time and a better brain should think on this.

pure survival faction haunting. Varsoon is in a scum faction or a is survivor who wants to hunt down the other survivor faction.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

So, what is the 'town' reaction?
You're severely limiting yourself and weakening your game if you think anyone of any alignment is incapable of anything.

you effectively claimed not town.

whats up with getting defensive to the point someone said your not reacting like town.

are you claiming town now?

I simply said I win with humans.
As far as I am aware, Humans, Asari, and Turians win with humans.

huh , trying to fix it?

Here's my proposal.
Turians and Asari all massclaim not as their race but simply as 'Alien winning with town'
Then we can NL, they target outside of that pool, and lynch anyone that they get guilties on.
Easy!

bad plan. we need survivors to stay as hidden as they can. that make scum factions careful about who they kill at night. and we need them as ally to keep the majority. forcing them to claim might force them to join scums later in game.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

As far as I am aware, we should be lynching the people with nightkills.
I don't think there's any claiming/setup gaming we can do D1 to help us to that end.
Elsa/Anna confirmed for most likely not Taurian/Asari
Which spikes the chances of Elsa/Anna being a faction I want to get rid of.
Unless they're just human and gross.

gross post

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

I wanted to RVS but you guys are so scummy :/

gross vote

RC was perfectly legit. be more direct when you want to claim your scumreading my slot.

Beeboy's scum though.
I'm sure he's not taking it personally?
I mean this is literally exactly what he did just a few games ago and he intentionally drove up the 'making it personal' aspect there so I'm not shying away from it here.

What game did I do that? The one where I was an angel on someone who was in the process of being lynched because I think these games are different.

You aren't thinking, Varsoon claimed a confirmable role and you are trying to lynch him.

w8 what? what did varsoon claimed? and what about it is "confirmable" ?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

E&A, your read on beeboy is dependent on Varsoon being scum because he defends his scummates. Listen to yourself.

Look, maybe you have something here, but I'm not hopping on this train yet. I'm not nearly convinced enough and beeboy IS right, Varsoon's soft can be checked.

beeboy ftr i think your vote is bad. i don't think E&A is being scummy here, tunneling people is kinda RC's thing from what I can tell.

keeping middleground. I don't like it.

Suzune, Nahdia, Cake Effect, and beeboy are all scum

what a call. lol . 1 line for each read please?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

UNVOTE:

If RC is scum he is geth right? So if he is scum that means he doesn't have a night kill.
I don't see the scum factions with kills hard pushing people who they can win with.

He can get a pass for now until later in the game.

only two mafia factions will spare their geth reads. geth faction has probably the most dangerous scum roles becuase of the nature of setup. scum points for beeboy

There are so many words

there are so many scums

I have been thinking about this and I realized that I have been pretty obvious Turian/Asari.
I also realized that Varsoon is incredibly likely going to use his cop on me and will get a negative result. Then after that happens I don't want to deal with the crap I will get.
So I just want to say I am an Asari

P.S. Asari don't be stupid like me and don't claim.

I really didn't want to claim but I just want to get it out of the way before the Turian start targeting me and ganging up on me.

huh

Its weird varsoon claiming Tuarian and beeboy claiming asuri while they want to be friend with each other. Don't make the game kingmaker like this....

Its just you both are hurting your factions by claiming and by that your hurting town. Whats done is done. noting both claims for now.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Hi all. This seems like an interesting game, but clearly has too many players with the number of pages accumulated in this short span of time.

Here is a thought experiment for you all - what if we were to eliminate all the humans, and let the alien factions fight it out?

VOTE: Bait

I can't see a single reason why this should live.

Southern Spice dropped out... they were probably in a lame faction. That's why I want to lynch their replacement.

What a shit reason. That is completely nonsensical by any measuer. The most 'lame' role in the game is really VT anyway though there are people that prefer such a role. What makes you think that this particular replacement was related to role anyway?

Southern Spice dropped out... they were probably in a lame faction. That's why I want to lynch their replacement.

I actually agree with that.

VOTE: FA_Q2

If his reasoning is shit (which it is), you are scummy as hell for latching onto it. Can you not even think of your own garbage reason to place a vote?

VOTE: TTH

I'm glad you brought that up. Let's talk about that.

My experience with mollie as scum is:

• C9++ where she dragged her feet on posting.
  
• A game I hydraed with her in where she only posted once or twice.
  
• A great idea game where she posted just enough to not be replaced.

My experience with mollie as town is Lucky Star and Drawn on Arrival where she stayed active and engaged.

She obviously enjoys playing town more.
Do I think she's consciously attempting to invoke a trust tell here? Absolutely not. I think mollie has integrity and wouldn't do that. But the decision to replace out was made

after

the role PMs went out.
Do I think she's

more likely

to have replaced out of a scum slot? Yes. (By "scum" I mean a group that can't win with humans.)

And the rest of you don't think that's good: I hate to rain on your parade, but it's just as good as anything anyone else is throwing out there right now.

I hate your case

anything game related?

no.

why not?! oO

Done catching up : My scum reads : Varsoon , Beeboy (both for their natural claims becuase thats just stupid if they are really one. I feel its more probable for them to be in the mafia factions allied with their claims want to make friendship with survivors? anyway both must live for now. let future sort them out.) , bait (officially scum slipped) , TTH (for pushing a replacement like that instead of making anything substantial)

I have other suspects which I need more stuff to sort them out.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

In reverse world,
A bird flew over
Molten lava pit

Hesitating, it hid in
Umbrage
Made apparent by the fact that it flew back into
Air, open air
Not looking back at the shadows, those evil shadows.

^A poem made specifically for RC cos he wanted to see my work, well, here it is. Like it?

I believe you actually.
What are your reads?

[Elsa and Anna]

It's 5 am where I am and I'm too tired to post anything coherent, will read through when I wake up.

But before I go to sleep, I'm not sure about all these votes on Bait given that his post seems like obvious bait in the first place. If it's purely for "scum slipping" it would take a monumental amount of stupid to scum slip like that.

I beleive his post coming from a scum pov , as there is no majority faction here. That's not a valid reaction test , he was calling for allies.

Hello Elsa.

hi!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I grossed back

and I am suffering from multi personality disorder. but what your refering to here is not it , lol

This is a hydra

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

*feeling sad*

This hurt bee

you sure?

~Elsa=Frozen Angel

[Elsa and Anna]

Please don't leave like that

now I feel like I did something wrong

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

bluntly I'd prefer that Beeboy replace out because his slot is scum and I don't want to have to hold the punches because I'm worried about him feeling bad for getting lynched as scum PK style. Especially when I've seen him be emotionally manipulative as fuck as scum and I'm as certain as I am that he's scum anyway.

Seth should also replace out because jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you.

Like you can't try to use bad feelings as an excuse to be townread as scum then expect people to pander to you when you do it in the future.
And this probably sounds harsh but if Beeboy actually feels bad about this game then he's still scum for it and I'm not going to not lynch scum because they're feeling bad about a game so it's just best for all parties involved if he gets replaced with someone who won't have the game ruined by being pushed on.

So I mean Beeboy can stay but I'm going to continue pushing on him because he's scum so if that's going to continue to be a problem please just out.

[Elsa and Anna]

and like I just have nothing to say to Seth but to say that Yume is autistic and deserves to be raped for being silly in a non serious setup is beyond words. I reported that.

[Elsa and Anna]

I honestly thing your in one of the mafia factions and your sending notify to geth to side with you with all those I have no problem with you and your not a proiority.

Geth is enemy and need to be eliminated.

we're not a survivor , we're not scum , we are human. if you can't see that for some reasons thats your problem but I can't accept your certainty in us being geth although your scumreading us.

Its just obviously wrong and its not fitting with a survivor mind like you claimed.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

who avoided that?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

who avoided that?

~Elsa

bait has scumclaimed and only has seven votes.
ranger doesn't want to vote bait because she doesn't want a quicklynch even though he was only at, like, L-8 at the time.

for the people who said bait scumclaiming was insane; i sort-of disagree. humans don't have majority so bait is pitching to the neutrals to be pro-scum. we have to hope the neutrals see the light, but most of all we have to vote bait.
-MM4

I am completly agreed with this , but scum hunting shouldn't stop. we have plenty of time to push him.

whats your read on beeboy?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Hi all. This seems like an interesting game, but clearly has too many players with the number of pages accumulated in this short span of time.

Here is a thought experiment for you all - what if we were to eliminate all the humans, and let the alien factions fight it out?

someone who think this is not a scum claim rephrase this post .

My English is weak and thats what I'm understanding : "I'm scum , lets get united scum factions to lynch all humans and make this a chess game"

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Look, I may be rubbish, but I'm not scum.

@Hastur & Muriel:

From my point of view, if Beeboy isn't Asari, that will be confirmed very soon (as soon as D2, if we're lucky). Yes, down the line, I want to lynch him. Right now, though, a lynch not on him gives me a higher chance of lynching Geth or Krogans. While I know that I can win with Solarians, I also would prefer to win with humans, because aligning myself against a majority of the game is rubbish anyway. There's no real way for me to differentiate between Solarians and Krogans, so, from my point of view, here's who I want to lynch most:
Krogans > Geth > Solarians = Asari > Humans

Basically, I need Geth gone to win the game and so does an Asari Beeboy. We can work together on this angle and since neither of us can distinctly pair down the killing factions, Solarians and Krogans become a single entity we're both aligned against because we're working in Human's best interests.

while I can understand what are you saying , My main problem with beeboy specially is her "Geth" call outs while she is insisting she don't want to kill one early.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Suzune, Nahdia, Cake Effect, and beeboy are all scum

Or are you saying that these are all players you know can't be in your faction so it's ok to lynch them? I noticed that these are all players that are not likely to be in the same faction as Elsa and Anna, so if you suspect Elsa and you to have similar objectives and possibly on the same faction, of course you would want to out them.

do you scum read my slot ? If you do why your going for pre flip associations instead of interacting with us directly?
if not whats the whole point of that?

[Elsa and Anna]

Elsa still

[Elsa and Anna]

Rc is appalled at how every single scum player is claiming scumreads on us.

[Elsa and Anna]

Ha is scum as well

[Elsa and Anna]

Fake-claiming either Asari or Taurian is nonsense unless you're some sort of godfather role, so positing that beeboy is anything but Asari or Godfather is pointless.

Its nonsense becuase you claimed one too ?

The real Asari cop i there is any will receive a freind result on him anyway and a Taurian cop will receive a foe result which is understandable. claiming Asari is the best thing a krogan can claim

catching up now!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Seriously, do you guys need the definition of a "thought experiment" explained to you?

Klingoncelt, just once I wish we could be on the same team and like, REALIZE it. Can we be pals this game? I'm gonna say you're town. I don't know. I just wanna be on your good side for once.

he shared a thought exeriment about all the scum faction getting aligned and lynching all town so they can play by night actions.



~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

uh, no. Other Asari can check beeboy to find out if he's really an Asari. And they SHOULD.

Asari's receive friend/foe results and we won't ever know if beeboy is really an Assori or not like forever unless there is another kind of investigation around.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Page top ^

[Elsa and Anna]

while I can understand what are you saying , My main problem with beeboy specially is her "Geth" call outs while she is insisting she don't want to kill one early.

~Elsa

E&A I am only not pressuring you because I was hoping to clear you tonight. I also have reason to believe if you are scum you are a godfather because I have trouble seeing you play so aggressively without a back up plan. I also know for a fact due to the way you started pushing Varsoon that you aren't a Asari/Turian.

Following that logic I can confirm or deny all of my suspicions around your slot night 1. I have plans for you and I do think you are scum I just have more then one way to figure out your alignment and simply lynching you isn't the best method when I can always lynch you tomorrow if I am right or I keep an ally alive if I am wrong.

I don't understand what you are missing here.

what I don't understand is your uncontested claim , the fact your scumreading my slot without backing it up , you call us geth 'spescifically' without thinking or backing it up , you say you can check if we are 'geth' or not tonight which is impossible with your cop check result and you said "Gath are not your priority during early game"

from them I feel :
1 - your trying to set me up somehow
2 - Your krogan trying to side with Asari and Geth

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

"Alignment Cops Return "Friend" or "Foe" unless otherwise stated in the role PM. Friend means that the player can win with their target. Foe means they cannot. Framed players return Foe."

I'm confused.

aren't Turian , asari cops a kind of alignment cop ?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I never though there are more than one asari cop.

If an asari cop check her and recieve a friend she won't push her at all. If she is krogan , other Asari don't want her death.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Ana and Elsa: post 29 Day phases are important because they give a chance for the town and thos aligned with the town to sort out the alignments of others. Day phases act in order to see relationship profiles between people and look for links in communication and game perspective. The linking of ideas will allow us a great web of information to draw from as town. Wanting only night phases until some kind of majority is reached is scum motivated. post 54 This comment is scummy because wanting one faction to die is not really indicative of scumminess as that is the total goal of this game? post 63 This is a ridiculous comment because it gives which ever faction does not win with him a free night kill.

Scum all the way...

First these stuff your calling scum by the way are pure misrepresentation (I'm saying this becuase its obvious to me even though I'm not the one who said them at all). RC never said day phases are should just end or never happen anymore. she was just yelling at the fact town has minority. In second post he said he don't beleive varsoon survivor claim so he thinks pushing Varsoon is a not a bad idea and in third post is just really true (at least with my knowledge about setup).

now what about the rest of the game?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

HOLLY CRAP all the ninja

what I don't understand is your uncontested claim , the fact your scumreading my slot without backing it up , you call us Geth 'spescifically' without thinking or backing it up , you say you can check if we are 'geth' or not tonight which is impossible with your cop check result and you said "Gath are not your priority during early game"

My claim is uncontested because it is confirmable.

I am scum reading you for pushing a player that claimed a confirmable role.
I am scum reading you for scum reading someone who claimed to be your ally on page 1 because claiming to win with town is far from a problem in this problem.
I am scum reading you for explicitly going against both the Asari and Turian by trying to get them to all claim.
I am scum reading you for calling every player who thinks you are scum scum.
I swear I made all these statements clear.

I said you are a Geth specifically because no Human, Krogan, Asari, Turian or Salarian would so put such little thought into pushing a potential ally with a confirmable role like what you are doing right now.

I have serious problem with understanding how is your claim confirmable and no one will ever out you if your lieing as Krogan. Becuase in that case your getting checked by your allies.

I'm trying to understand you and your claim. What? are you afraid of that?
I didn't call him scum on page one. RC did. and RC said he don't beleive a servivor be as transparent as him like that in page 1 , Like I don't wanna beleive that.
I feel like there is good chance for you to be the mafia faction above the place you claimed. more for you than varsoon becuase of all the geth sparing stuff.
RC is doing that , and for what it worth the push on my slot is scum minded. (I saw the policy lynch proposal)

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Beeboy, damn it, don't claim to be your faction's cop, there's only one, you're putting a target on yourself.

why do you care, your factions are not allied?

so much this. Your postings don't match with what your mindset is supposed to be.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Lets see.

an Asari checking him and receive "Foe" or ok "Not Asuri" will they just out her to us?

pedit : You don't dare insult me ...

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm trying to be a kinder person and be a friendly player but thats a two way road.

I won't tolerate insults kindly

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

thx mod

You only insult yourself if you're not Solarian-Geth-Krogan here.
Also, thanks, Mod, that clears up a lot for us.

really? You called me stupid for pushing you guys for just lurking behind the shadow of we're confirmable to lead the town toward a policy on my slot?

Are you kidding me?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

anyway yeah . I let the night actions solve you two. Letting some nights pass won't harm.

and I beleive beeboy reading her role pnm for cop thingi so I think she is really Asari now.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Why I'm snipping all the page tops today .... ......

[Elsa and Anna]

I have serious problem with understanding how is your claim confirmable and no one will ever out you if your lieing as Krogan. Becuase in that case your getting checked by your allies.

Because if I was lying claiming a guilty on me would basically ensure you never get cross killed. The Salarian have no reason to kill a Turian that is actively trying to screw over the Krogon and that makes it a really solid line of play to claim a guilty on your "ally". Also it is awkward af to protect someone who you think is scum because they may be able to win with you so it certainly isn't something I plan on doing.

I'm trying to understand you and your claim. What? are you afraid of that?

What makes you say I am afraid I am answering all your questions and clarifying everything I know about my racial ability.

I didn't call him scum on page one. RC did. and RC said he don't beleive a servivor be as transparent as him like that in page 1 , Like I don't wanna beleive that.
I feel like there is good chance for you to be the mafia faction above the place you claimed. more for you than varsoon becuase of all the Geth sparing stuff.
RC is doing that , and for what it worth the push on my slot is scum minded. (I saw the policy lynch proposal)

RC did and you are sharing the same slot so therefore I am scum reading you.

I beleive your Asari now. But just go back and read RC posts with thinking he was suspecting a servor will ever transparently out himself like that and respond like that

Your dead wrong about what RC said there and about my slot.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@Elsa & Anna: I didn't call you stupid.
I said that I refuse to believe you're stupid.
Which means that I show some respect for your intelligence and that I think your current push runs contrary to that.

and for the record you said you refuse to beleive I'm stupid , so you said I'm stupid or scum. I'm not scum so I interpret that as a direct insult to my intelligence.

I forgive you for that though.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

My vanity wagon on E&A is going nowhere, although I'm not so assured of their alignment as other people seem to be.
I'd rather back something with momentum, so long as I feel comfortable on it.
The votes on FA_Q2 were really bad, all of them, but I think TTH's posturing and play all game have been pretty mediocre.

Your policy lynch on my slot won't go anywhere I promise you that.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I think it's the other way around--RC's the kind of player scum will keep in the game because of their unreliability. You want someone who isn't clear-cut as town as you get closer and closer to LYLO. I think that, given their play here, the chances of them being unreliable or scum are both very high. I'd rather spend a lynch there than end up in a LYLO situation with them.

This is like policy lynching...

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Bait is still need to be hanged for his scum proposal.

I need to reread and Iso some people for other slots - specially FAQ and TTH . will do that later

for now bye

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't object to a TTH lynch based on my viewpoint that this game is not played correctly by lynching the people most likely to flip scum
but I'm not voting for them with all these trashcan scumreads on my slot.

I guarantee you that the majority of the scum are in the people posturing around scumreads on me and they make me sick and deserve insta rope.

[Elsa and Anna]

Full reads list from RC head tomorrow. but I'm not going to make any effort to lynch scum that aren't pushing on me when there's this many scum in that pile.

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Cake Effect

Absolutely nothing redeeming about that slot, I'm positive no one here thinks that they're town, and they are in fact just scumlords. My major scumread as of now.

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh. They aren't pushing on me. Mixed 'em up with Dwlee.

eh.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh. They aren't pushing on me. Mixed 'em up with Dwlee.

eh.

VOTE: Dwlee

UNVOTE:

wtf

RC get online on skype when you woke up

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@E&A: I'm saying that in response to your play in this game so far--not in response to any meta rubbish. That's evident from the post you quoted where I say as much.

I won't let you mislynch me.

Never gonna happen . I promise you that

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Das not a town response
lol

your just pushing my slot for pushing you.

go get over yourself

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm going to iso people who weren't center of my attention and ignore varsoon

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm reviewing ISO wise. DGB is vla I know but I don't like her 5 posts. in first two she just voted the replacement becuase of a replace out and in the next two she gave out two worthless readlists that I don't like.

edit : then be my guest what about the points I made is scummy?

You as survivor just asked your opposing factions to kill you. Forgive me if I'm considering you smart people who won't outright claim something like that.

and yeah I had serious issue about the fact you could confirm yourself when I was pushing you.

[Elsa and Anna]

I think the point is that asari and turian are basically human.

I also think Varsoon is scum but there aren't votes on him.

I missed this post I guess

why Is Varsoon scum and why you weren't pushing him? I don't like when people stay in shadows calling out reads to sheep others if a wagon went through

nothing else worth mentioning from expe ISO.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Varsoon

Skype please, FA. Varsoon isn't town, nor is he Turian. guarantee it.

[Elsa and Anna]

Yume did nothing in this game beside saying hello , greeting me and making a poem for RC...

:/

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

we are having a fight in skype.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

UNVOTE:

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I can't convince RC.

I gave up,

you talk with him.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Also, Elsa&Anna's confusion of how the whole Asari/Turian cop thing works is as close to proof as we'll get D1 that they don't have that sort of ability on their Role PM, because it is spelled out very clearly on mine.

It wasn't like you knew it when I asked the question though.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

And are you skimming hard varsoon?

I beleive I already claimed my faction. way before this.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

No, here's why we're lynching Varsoon.
Even in the absolute best case, he is not

aligned

with town. He is

potentially able to win

with town.
You are not town. The way you are playing you are completely fucking anti-town and the sooner that you get lynched the better.
Calling for a vig shot on town is not acceptable play from someone who is claiming to be our ally and based on your playstyle I sincerely doubt that you townside.
If you want to play in such a manner that you are not town aligned, we are going to treat you like you are not town aligned.

And fuck off? In case you hadn't noticed I've made LyLo 7 times over hundreds of games in 2 years. Saying that scum 'want me brought to LyLo' is asinine and disingenuous as fuck.

VOTE: Varsoon

This vote stays.

[Elsa and Anna]

Varsoon I totally feel you but like...

I do see this coming from RC as town tbh. He's absolutely the sort to value his own convictions over sound logic.

Even if Varsoon is (not town, 'someone who can win with' town) there's 0 value to keeping him around when his vote is basically a scum vote.

[Elsa and Anna]

And for the record: my plan was fucking brilliant assuming my interpretation of the cop roles was true. I'm shocked no one else came up with it.
The fact that I misread the setup doesn't mean that you can just call it 'anti-town' when based on my assumptions my call for a NL makes a ton of sense.

The fact that you're pushing for a lynch on someone who wins alongside town rather than in a pool of possible Krogan/Solarian/Geth should be indicative of your alignment, and, if not, of your worth to the Asari/Turian/Human playerbase.

The fact that you're pushing for a lynch on someone who is bona fide town as opposed to just someone who can POTENTAILLY win with them if the solarians don't win should be indicative of your alignment, and, if not, of your worth to the Asari/Turian/Human playerbase. And please. you are not Asari aligned and they are in fact your worst enemies because they're hard to get rid of in day or night unlike the bad guys who are lynch and crosskillable.

It's too bad that you and Beeboy aren't both on the same faction or we'd have already decided which faction we're not bringing to endgame.

The value of keeping Varsoon around is that he's NK bait for the Krogans. I'm not voting him today. We should be aiming for the slots that have no reason whatsoever to cooperate with us, not the ones that we share common enemies with.

What happens when he doesn't get NKed? When do we start realizing that there are confirmed godfathers and that no result makes him confirmed and the setup is explicit about it?
If Varsoon is alive to massclaim and there's more than 4 Turian claims he gets autolynched because I sincerely doubt that he's actually one of them.

[Elsa and Anna]

This game is very annoying

dah

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Asari check on Varsoon is meaningless. If he's a true godfather we'd need a role cop investigation on him, which I strongly suggest any human role cops do.
But then he could be bussed, which is one of the issues around centering night results on trying to discover a high profile player's alignment.

[Elsa and Anna]

This is Mass Effect mafia.

For you to push a standard godfather meta as a reason to clear you is incredibly fucking disingenuous considering both me and FA came to the conclusion that any godfathers would be mixed breeds that investigate as the townier of the pir. Ergo, none of these results confirm jack about you considering you could just as easily be a solarian mix (which I feel is the least awful design so as to not give a false inno.)

Beeboy already asked that question and said that the answer was something along the lines of "Godfathers always produce a positive result."

Find me this.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm done reading this today.

Going to play dota battle season .

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

He claimed Turian a long time ago.

This is a big game with a lot of rules that were extremely confusing. I feel like a baby in a strip joint, except we're in the internet and there are no women on the internet, so it's basically a sausage fest.

Half the mods and players don't exist. No wonder this is complicated.

~Titus (the non-existant mod head)

So, do I not exist either or do you actually exist?

[Elsa and Anna]

Kuroi is scum or Turian as well.

[Elsa and Anna]

Uhm. I sincerely doubt any scum player would want Varsoon dead with the way he's playing, and I don't think you're a particularly strong scum target either.

Site made this post double.

[Elsa and Anna]

After every single game we've played where I was dead on about all my reads I'd expect that you'd have gotten the fuck over yourself by now.

[Elsa and Anna]

Elsa and Anna seems likely to be scum, from all of the vote switches and then switching to bandwagons as soon as people started suspecting other people.

I never once jumped on a bandwagon. Another scum here.

Site made this post double.

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't think I've ever played a game where I was this universally scumread.

This is incredibly dumb.

[Elsa and Anna]

RC's Varsoon push is so awful he might be scum after all.

FA's posts haven't been great either.

This game is driving me crazy.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

No, here's why we're lynching Varsoon.
Even in the absolute best case, he is not

aligned

with town. He is

potentially able to win

with town.
You are not town. The way you are playing you are completely fucking anti-town and the sooner that you get lynched the better.
Calling for a vig shot on town is not acceptable play from someone who is claiming to be our ally and based on your playstyle I sincerely doubt that you townside.
If you want to play in such a manner that you are not town aligned, we are going to treat you like you are not town aligned.

And fuck off? In case you hadn't noticed I've made LyLo 7 times over hundreds of games in 2 years. Saying that scum 'want me brought to LyLo' is asinine and disingenuous as fuck.

VOTE: Varsoon

This vote stays.

Quit being idiots.

I already said that in this type of game you start off with Town & Town Aligned versus Scum & Scum Aligned.

Trying to lynch a Town Aligned player is anti-Town.

Wait a minute - Frozen Angel knows this. She has experience in this type of game, she knows how to play it.

FA, why are you trying to lynch Town's allies?

You rolled Scum, didn't you?

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

Oh and you missed all my fucking tries to unvote?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and according to what I was thinking about the setup I was thinking his role is not as confirmable as it is. (friend / foe) thing.

I can't convince RC. Its like talking with a stone!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@Ranger Neighborize me or Spiffeh please because I don't think you will get anywhere with a RC/FA hood.

wait what?

she claimed neighborizer?!

I need to read her iso

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

When I have a good grasp, I'll go from there. The best I have is Anna and Elsa's terrible attempts at trying to lynch. It's a good place to go, as far as day one is concerned.

when did we ever attempted to lynch anyone? we're putting people at L-13 or L-12 ...

siriously what is going on. This push on us seems extremely opportunistic. Beside Varsoon who feels rightfully frustrated everyone else who calls us scum becuase of us pushing others for read are scummy.

And yes , call that omgus if you want. I never omgus town. This is pushing dirt on my slot and I can't sit down ti just watch it.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

When I have a good grasp, I'll go from there. The best I have is Anna and Elsa's terrible attempts at trying to lynch. It's a good place to go, as far as day one is concerned.

can you elaborate?

It's unrealistic to expect that I'm going to have such great reads and figure out town from scum so early on in the game, especially since I found out who scum may be for about... a couple hours.

678 Reaked of desperation and annoyance, confirmed by 684.
Anna and Elsa posted 102 times and if you ISO and use the search button on Varsoon, Varsoon comes up 64 times.
With hardcore tunneling, and nothing but fallacious attempts at logic, Anna and Elsa is become the very thing they accused of Varsoon, anti-town.

And as I've stated before in other games, whenever there's anti-town, there's a greater likelihood for scum.

Ergo, my vote.

First post was by RC, second post was by me when I failed to convince him that Varsoon is semi confirmable. He is scumreading Varsoon and he wants to tunnel him. I'm here in the middle torning apart.

I don't even wanna laugh at your second sentence becuase its not funny. his name comes up 64 times in there. have you checked other names? This flawed logic to say my slot is ignoring all the other aspects of game is BS. We will concentrate on whoever we want to read. so piss off

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

If Klingon keeps up this level of engagement she might be town. Disengaged Klingon is usually scum Klingon.
Varsoon your Else and Anna vote is bad.

People that need death sooner rather than later: TTH, Suzune, Ranger, Dwlee, Klingon, heuristically_alone

There are several slots who's posts I skipped so this list is still a work in progress

Heuristically is lynchbait and shall not be lynched today. Klingon might be town and shall not be lynched today.
Others are still on the table.

-SC

Disengaged Klingon is usually sick Klingon or very busy in R/L Klingon. Just so you know.

Varsoon's vote on Elsa & Anna isn't bad, FA knows better than to act the way she is.

WHAT THE FUCK CAN I DO

[Elsa and Anna]

and I still think Varsoon is scummy

Just he is confirmable

and RC is hard tunneling there.

[Elsa and Anna]

Ranger feels extremely scummy to me.

she is acting like she has the control of my slot death and living and she is giving us a chance to accept her lead or die.

I don't like her "they are very good scum hunters, but their scum , so I want them live for now , but they eventually must die"

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Also, there's only one Asari Cop. I don't know where this idea that every Asari was an Asari-Cop came from.

Uhm.
Somehow I was under the impression that the Turian/Asari factional ability was that they could check if another player won with them, not if they're the same faction...

awks.

I have a proposal.

What if we NL and all the Turians and Asari claim their results?

Elsa and Anne is the one that initially brought it up at the begining, which means they have to be either Asari or Turian.

yeeks

This is mafia mindset hunting for survival factions and trying to think they are putting out leads.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

RC's Varsoon push is so awful he might be scum after all.
FA's posts haven't been great either.

No duh.

Still don't want to lynch them anyway.

There are plenty of scum in the game to lynch before them; they're likely to get killed even as scum, so they are not a priority to lynch.

^ ^ ^ Ranger just Scumclaimed, everyone.

I do agree with this point. (You said it right after my post about her , coincidence? )

Not becuase the reason you're pushing it though.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I was hoping you wouldn't have anything beeboy I really don't feel like reading. Has someone read that link and can confirm it is similar?

Dwele response here feels icky. when people asking you to do more stuff becuase you do more stuff as town you won't attack the meta as town , you will do more.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and according to what I was thinking about the setup I was thinking his role is not as confirmable as it is. (friend / foe) thing.

I can't convince RC. Its like talking with a stone!

~Elsa

Link her to that similar game.

I already did.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I think that E&A talking about being town-who-wanted-to-claim-halftown is just total bs and an excuse to claim town in a way that appears more genuine. Because what other benefit is there to even say that.

?!!!!

Now people make stuff up to attack us?!

This is interesting!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I want TTH around. The wagon on her seems happened pretty fast while she is VLA. I like to see her responding to her wagon first.

FAQ posts doesn't feel that bad lately.

I want Ranger neighbourhood to evaluate her.

Think our slot vote is on Dwlee or h_a right now. My actual voting don't work becuase of RC push (he will just vote him again)

Varsoon has immunity from today lynch , I won't let our vote end up there.

[Elsa and Anna]

I think that E&A talking about being town-who-wanted-to-claim-halftown is just total bs and an excuse to claim town in a way that appears more genuine. Because what other benefit is there to even say that.

?!!!!

Now people make stuff up to attack us?!

This is interesting!

~Elsa

No, that's pretty much what you're doing.

A lot can happen in 10-11 days, I can't wait to see how Day 1 turns out, but for now, I'm crashing.

Goodnight.

I straightly claimed human.
I had no idea about how these cop stuff works for 3p.
me and RC never even closely crumbed a survivor faction. It was like obvious we weren't one sinsce start.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and I still think Varsoon is scummy

Just he is confirmable

and RC is hard tunneling there.

Varsoon is only confirmable if beeboy is confirmed. So it's a toss up between the two on which you want to press for the confirm.

I'm reading beeboy as asari becuase of the way he checked his role pm while we were discussing setup (about asari cop result) and the way he said varsoon should now that.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

wait people actually vouched for me?

holy shit

start being useful. thoughts?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Dwlee

@RC I have every right to vote as I wish in this hydra acc. I won't let you to vote Varsoon.

If this continue I will replace out from hydra.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I feel disrespected in this game.

This is just extremely frustrating.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

If he hardclaims (Asari/Turian) I'm reasonably fine with leaving him alive since he'll end up being outed later in the game as scum.

I'm pretty sure that Beeboy is chainsawing the fuck out of Varsoon like he did in Shotty's game though.

Like there is 4 Asa/Taur you aren't ending gaming with a fake Taur/Asa claim it is that simple.

LOL.
We are town and we wanted to fake a claim as an unspecified member of those factions to avoid getting nightkilled.
You can bet that if we were scum we'd claim as one of them.

Beeboy you're fucking garbage as scum.

There is no ifs, buts, nos Varsoon would be playing like utter shit if he claimed that as scum unless he plans on snowballing his team to endgame.

Do you get off on rolling scum and acting like you have an IQ of 50 and hoping no one asks questions about it?

Did I hit a nerve?

A scummy one, certainly.

FA, it did really happen.

That was RC post. go ask him. He knows everything apparently and won't listen to me about anything ...

[Elsa and Anna]

I feel disrespected in this game.

This is just extremely frustrating.

~Elsa

You went hydra with RC - what did you expect?

I went hydra with Rc in other games as well. and this hydra will work. I just can't handle all these scummy pushes on us and a frustrated RC who I can't reason with.

I'm getting torn apart from all aspects.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I feel disrespected in this game.

This is just extremely frustrating.

~Elsa

You went hydra with RC - what did you expect?

I went hydra with Rc in other games as well. and this hydra will work. I just can't handle all these scummy pushes on us and a frustrated RC who I can't reason with.

I'm getting torn apart from all aspects.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

we have two records for lynching scum and vigging the other with this hydra.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Okay we got some stuff sorted between us.

VOTE: Ranger

Both of us are beyond certain that this is scum. case to come.

[Elsa and Anna]

[Elsa and Anna]

Yes, I agree Hebichan's post is fake. This game is not as simple as scum reading someone. Krogan, Salarian, and Geth are all more likely to vote someone by just scum reading them, because they know who is not in their faction, so they don't have anything to lose by voting anyone. Human, Turian, and Asari are more likely to not do any scum hunting, but just find out who is and isn't in their faction. Anyone that has been seriously scum hunting is probably Krogan, Salarian, or Geth.

scum posting.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Humans are the town of the game. are you really saying that town should just stand down and do nothing ?!

are you really kidding me?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@beeboy @hebichan

why are you town reading Ranger?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@beeboy @hebichan

why are you town reading Ranger?

~Elsa

Rangers total lack of understanding on how this setup works I think is more likely to come from Human then it comes from any of the scum factions acting dumb (when she said even if you where scum you could lynch the other scum teams for her). As an actual member of the scum team it is incredibly unlikely that she wouldn't be aware that the scum are unlikely to lynch each other as they want to keep the Geth alive.

I have a very large number of games with Ranger and in every one of those games I scum read her day 1 so I also have a lot of doubt in my original scum read on her because of that.

She is a null read right but I plan on ironing out my read on her in our neighborhood.

I can understand that.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@beeboy @hebichan

why are you town reading Ranger?

~Elsa

I believe that I never actually said that, I do on the other hand townread beeboy pretty hard and think his claim is real. Beeboy likes Ranger. I'm not sure I do. but considering there are at least 3-4 people I think are certainly town on this proposed block, and there are about 11 safe lynches for me as a human, assuming I wish to avoid all of the turians and asari. I think this block will hold for now and be productive. Especially with an investigative role. Even if it only checks asari.

I feel really bad about the way you want to join a town block. ts not how town block works.

Its seems like your trying to just say "Hey! i'm town!"

and what about her investigation thingi is even related to you joining a block ?!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

oh thats what FAQ reached to from another post of yours.

feels something noticeable then.

whats up ? reads and your prefers for pressure / lynch today and why?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Its all getting too weird.

what is the point of your blocking if anyone can just join it bee?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

@suzane

You yourself made some points about how this confirmation process might end badly. all I said was the fact I have problem with the basic concept of this confirming thing which some parts of it got resolved when mod explained the setup better. neither me nor RC voted Varsoon for claiming servivor. we voted him becuase of the way he claimed it (basically in his starting post) and the way he reacted to anyone suspecting it.

There is no need to pressure Varsoon or talk about it becuase of his semi confirmable role. (assuming no redirection happen like you suspected and the fact Turians will help us and will revil a not turian result on him if they get it)

Thats the fact I was trying to convince RC about and I guess I did. don't you dare put new fire in this woods .

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Ranger is a scam read of me becuase of her opportunistic position about my slot (lets keep them alive but they must eventually die)

and the way hebi tried to join it was extrimly scummy

so i'm not sure what are you trying to do here.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

reveal is the true dictation I guess ...

[Elsa and Anna]

Hey Ranger, if Kuroi isn't one of your scumpartners why don't you lynch him with us?

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: KuroiXHF

No, Dwlee. Vote Kuroi with us.

[Elsa and Anna]

Sheeping RC is my favorite thing to do, though, beeboy.

I mean you are already in the process of being globally scum read and not sheeping me won't help

No one here is going to sheep you, sorry.

[Elsa and Anna]

CKD is scum as well.

[Elsa and Anna]

Okay we got some stuff sorted between us.

VOTE: Ranger

Both of us are beyond certain that this is scum. case to come.

Are you actually going to back this up?

oh I guess I explained it multiple times.

is someone skimming so hard ?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Response mathblade: I never asked if kuroi's post was a scum claim? I asked how it was one. Also never said I wasnt going to.read. Your entire read on me is based on stuff I.never even.did.

are you signaling something with those dots or something?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I can't think of some probable reasons.

you can't think of any of them?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

That was @Nosf

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I can think of...

lol

[Elsa and Anna]

@FA

Like?

I felt like he is counterclaiming softly.

thats why he was pushing Ranger to claim if she is human.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

although

his recent reaction and the "soft claim" feels so Icky ...

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I was also feeling the cc at first but his softclaim didn't feel like that at all.

so why you said that he doesn't have any reasons for thinking Ranger is scum for being a neighborizer if you felt he is CC'ing ?!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I was also feeling the cc at first but his softclaim didn't feel like that at all.

so why you said that he doesn't have any reasons for thinking Ranger is scum for being a neighborizer if you felt he is CC'ing ?!

~Elsa

I thought of the ccing after I posted that.

hmmm

ok

[Elsa and Anna]

Omg I love the memes you guys are the best.
On actual content I dont get how you went from.what seemed to be an.asari or turian.soft to a human claim?

who are you talking to ?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

They are mafia mafia and natural evil factions. this setup is getting played over and over again in another site.

stop this everyone are town and everyone are scum bullshit.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

This is justice.

Anyone on this wagon is getting written out of potential tomorrow lynches btw.

Also, the fuck is this 'FA was defending Kuroi' thing? we started this wagon.

[Elsa and Anna]

nvm just reread iso and saw #18.

yeah, she scum.

Ranger, why are you scumreading Klingon?

mine.

How the fuck are you townreading CKD though?

[Elsa and Anna]

HA KTS voters I told you he would start doing things and be easy to read!

Indeed!

My scumread on him has gotten stronger.

nvm just reread iso and saw #18.

yeah, she scum.

Ranger, why are you scumreading Klingon?

mine.

How the fuck are you townreading CKD though?

I reiterate this.

CKD, Baitslot, Klingon are my only 3 certain scumreads.

I find it impossible to reconcile your townread.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm going to vote you if you try to ignore me.

[Elsa and Anna]

Klingon is Kuroi's partner probs.

[Elsa and Anna]

Also, on the note of the TTH's wagon dissipating, a thought just occurred. Geth have a daytime topic, this could have been orchestrated by those in said topic. So in the later parts of this game we should be wary of this. I don't think it will be much of an issue on D1, but we shouldn't dismiss a further lynch on D2 on her, if we end up lynching someone else.

TTh is a candidate for lynch , yes.

lining up lynches is scummy though.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

When I have a good grasp, I'll go from there. The best I have is Anna and Elsa's terrible attempts at trying to lynch. It's a good place to go, as far as day one is concerned.

when did we ever attempted to lynch anyone? we're putting people at L-13 or L-12 ...

siriously what is going on. This push on us seems extremely opportunistic. Beside Varsoon who feels rightfully frustrated everyone else who calls us scum becuase of us pushing others for read are scummy.

And yes , call that omgus if you want. I never omgus town. This is pushing dirt on my slot and I can't sit down ti just watch it.

~Elsa

You try to lynch someone when you vote them. Why don't you understand the basic rules of this game?

I feel disrespected in this game.

This is just extremely frustrating.

~Elsa

Oh no. I'm so surprised. This only happens... every game.

yeah I'm convinced that this is scum.

First no , If I vote someone I'm pressuring them to see reactions. If it settled well yeah thats going to be a lynch. there is a difference between a hammer vote and other votes

second if you want to humiliate me or my playstyle your free to do that. this is just a game and your emotional reach to me isn't town minded.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Ranger what are your current reads? ^_^

Every time I post a list, there's a change.
This being a large game with lots of posts, you've seen me change those reads nearly every single time because something has caused them to change.
But right now, the only change from my 1038 is the need to substitute Mathblade for Gendaberry. Though, Elsa/Anna may be a bit low. Some of what they say continues to look like scum, yet things like RC's recent posts on this page look town.

How the fuck are you townreading CKD though?

How are you not? Literally everything he's done has made me think he's town. From the way he's scumhunting to his softclaim, I just don't see an ounce of scum and all the players who pushed him are incredibly sketchy.

honestly I'm town reading CKD and I'm disagreed with RC on this one.

I scum read you though and the way your town reading the one who semi CC'ed you is not helping it.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I scum read you though and the way your town reading the one who semi CC'ed you is not helping it.

My statement doesn't change. I find curiouskarmadog town. I decline to comment on whether I'm human or not.

fair enough I guess

~Rylai

[Elsa and Anna]

lol I'm Elsa in this acc

I have too many aliases !

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Klingon is Kuroi's partner probs.

Quite possibly. Kuroi's scum, Klingoncelt is scum, and I can see them as aligned-together scum.

If I get nightkilled and you're town and you don't lynch CKD I will resent you forever.

I can't fathom your townread on him.

[Elsa and Anna]

yeah we strongly beleive the wagon on us was scum driven. and no his claim made absoloutly no sense and we still suspect that. and I'm not sure what is the meaning of that "what" to elaborate.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Reading from the beginning.

People I would vote: Nahdia, beeboy, Kuroi, FAQ, Dwlee, Klingon, Shiro, Hastur and Muriel, heuristically_alone
People I wouldn't vote: Elsa and Anna, Varsoon, Spiffeh, Suzune, Party Boat, curiouskarmadog, Nosferatu, Cake Effect, PeregrineV, Bait, DGB, Ranger, killthestory

Page 25, halfway there. If you have any specific questions up to this point, ask. Otherwise my top priority is getting caught up.

hmm , talk to me. what about each person you described you would vote made you think that way about them?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm Ok with the vote for Kuroi. Really don't have an inkling of what faction he is in other than not human, so good enough for now.

VOTE: Kuroi

Its L2 or L1 - I'm not sure.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

This is why you're not good at this game. If you vote someone, you're trying to lynch them.

...

[Elsa and Anna]

It's L-Suh. (You have to read it out loud.)

..........

[Elsa and Anna]

Stay calm FA,

You must stay calm when someone is trying to reach you emotionally.

Their just scum who wants to make you angry. Your not weak. calm down.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Easy way to deal with this.

Does anyone claim to have gotten a turian result on Varsoon?

[Elsa and Anna]

Easy way to deal with this.

Does anyone claim to have gotten a turian result on Varsoon?

Don't claim any non-turian results.

If you positively claim a Turian result on Varsoon out now.

[Elsa and Anna]

No.

Turian if they get a town result would feel inclined to defend their partner. We're not forcing anyone to claim a guilty.

Also, we got vanillaized. fuck yall.

[Elsa and Anna]

and thats a scum vanalyzer as it seems

sinsce we already had a human vanalyzer flip?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

No.

Turian if they get a town result would feel inclined to defend their partner. We're not forcing anyone to claim a guilty.

Also, we got vanillaized. fuck yall.

haaaaaaaaaaa

can you pretend that vanillizes your frequency of posts somehow too btw

cause it's kind of horrifying

your dealing with Frozen Angel and Radiant cowbells

if you can't keep up , get out

easy!

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

so Ranger was a geth,

since they had day chat there might be clues there.

lets hunt the geth down ! will do some Iso analyses later today.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I have hard time believing that too.

I don't mind forcing the one who put down that note to out themselves.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

so you can confirm that your lighting Rod action was used last night?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

NO, we don't need to force jack to out.

If no one claims turian with a turian result on Varsoon they get lynched. end story.

[Elsa and Anna]

If you are turian a turian will claim an inno on you.

If you are not they will not.

The story is over.

[Elsa and Anna]

tbf both the note and the fact that a turian/asari would have a lightning rod when they only have 4 members each and need to survive like southerners need their tea sweetened both seem like bullshit

but I intend to care about that tomorrow. or. today but in like 16 hours or something. you know what i mean.

there's probably some form of protective role in the game so

If you are turian a turian will claim an inno on you.

If you are not they will not.

The story is over.

unless no other turians targeted him

Then they get lynched.

This is not a fucking probable thing.

[Elsa and Anna]

unless no other turians targeted him

so your suggesting Turians went rouge and are backstabbing us by not doing the only thing they should have done to confirm one player for the rest of the game?

Not quite interesting way of thinking about this

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

if noone investigated you then you will die

simple as that.

we negotiated that you are a confirmable role and stopped pushing you to get a confirmation. if turian faction is not going to get s the result , they deserve to loose if your with them.

at end we need to have only one survivor faction with us. you know what I mean.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

There are three other Turians that aren't me.
If I wasn't me but in the position they were in N1, I wouldn't investigate me on the basis that "One of the other Turians will do it and it'd be a waste if we all did it."

So it's not so improbable.

and I would have lynched that turian claim if none of the turians would have confirmed that claim

I don't care if its improbable or not. its definietly playing anti humanity.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

we asked for a confirmation on Varsoon.

This is not negotiable. eaither he will be confirmed turian today or we will lynch him. end of the story.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

They promised to help humans. That's the only fucking reason Varsoon didn't got lynched yesterday.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Varsoon

Get rid of this fuck.

[Elsa and Anna]

If you're Turian an actual Turian would back you up. There's a 0% chance that none of the 3 other turians in game targeted you.

You are being a sketchlord.

[Elsa and Anna]

If you were human, you'd want to lynch your actual enemies--the Solarians, Geth, and Krogans.
Right now you're admitting that you think I'm Turian but you're creating a scenario where you want to strongarm a lynch on me anyway.
That sort of shit is super duplicitous and not likely to come from a town/human mindset.

are you fucking kidding me?

Your saying that you don't need confirmation. I'm saying the only reason no one voted you last day and won't vote you today was becuase of the confirmable state of yours. if your not getting confirmed for all I know your just a scum who claimed survivor without thinking it through and need to die.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Umm yeah. It'll happen.

I promise you that if no Turians claim an inno that Varsoon will be lynched today.

[Elsa and Anna]

'rubbish'

shoo.

[Elsa and Anna]

Varsoon honestly the one thing that makes me repeatedly lose faith in u is how u keep trying to scumframe E&A. pretty sure they're just a headstrong, philosophically incorrect human.

They promised to help humans. That's the only fucking reason Varsoon didn't got lynched yesterday.

~Elsa

ah yes. remind me, which turian claim publicly and promised to help us?

oh right. none of them.

if thats what you think , then why are you trying to stop us from pressuring Varsoon? if their not servivor their obviously a scum. if their servivor their not helping us?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

E&A you're honestly being so stupid about this.

Varsoon honestly the one thing that makes me repeatedly lose faith in u is how u keep trying to scumframe E&A. pretty sure they're just a headstrong, philosophically incorrect human.

Ooooor they're cashing in on being headstrong and anti-town.
Like they do in every damn scumgame they play.

*Sigh*

Maybe. I dunno. You're not getting lynched today though, and neither are they. Deal with it, kids.

Fuck off you idiot.

Varsoon has been sketchy as fuck this entire game.

If they are not confirmed we should lynch them. Don't you think that if they were actually Turian that a turian would be willing to out and confirm them?

[Elsa and Anna]

'rubbish'

shoo.

I can't believe that you'd trust an anonymous shitposter rather than an actual person claiming.
That's not a town mentality.

we don't beleive yu becuase you can't confirm yourself

why are you using circular logic here?

we asked for a turian cop result on you and until we get it we don't back of

~Elsa