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Post Post #639 (isolation #200) » Mon May 18, 2020 10:02 am

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Oh hey it's shiki
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Post Post #640 (isolation #201) » Mon May 18, 2020 12:00 pm

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In post 637, shiki wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 156, Umlaut wrote:I have never, ever fakeclaimed as town and I have gone on record as saying it's pretty much always anti-town to do so. Feel free to through my games and confirm. I'm telling you I'm a mason with Hoctac. So either you think I'm a mason with Hoctac, or you think I'm scum and probably he is too.
i feel pretty strongly that umlaut is scum here.
In post 599, Datisi wrote:err, hoctac*.
ohh. hoctac is hectic. in that case, i am quite certain that hoctac thought umlaut was mafia as well. this:
In post 501, Hoctac wrote:No, shiki, it's in the same view as the murder mystery conspiracy.
is referring to this post by hectic in mystery box hate:
In post 277, Hectic wrote:There's something that really intrigues me about this game; it feels more like some kind of murder mystery and less like a mafia game.
which i thought was referring to a game called muskoka murder mystery as i discussed in my neighbourhood from mystery box here:

viewtopic.php?p=11766940#p11766940

one of the posts made by the player that replaced super mario's slot in the murder mystery game contained a typo (mt instead of my) that read as though it was giving a read of one of the players in mystery box (morning tweet) that hectic wanted to communicate under the radar.

i believe hoctac's typo here:
In post 502, Hoctac wrote:*the same vien
was intentional to remind me of this. the game that hoctac is referencing with this post:
In post 488, Hoctac wrote:
put me on blast in front of everyone
is the same game that madoka linked earlier: mini normal 2118. the specific post it is linked to is this one:

viewtopic.php?p=11613226#p11613226

which is an accusation by dsjstr of his neighbour, ame. if applied to the situation of this game, i believe hoctac was confirming that i had correctly deduced that he was in fact a neighbour (and lying about his role, as he did in mystery box also) and conveying to me his read of umlaut in case he died in the night.
Sorry I was elsewhere that I can't talk about.

I believe shiki here and I think this is enough to get us lynching Umlaut today.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #202) » Mon May 18, 2020 12:01 pm

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Damn this is genius decrpytion
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Post Post #643 (isolation #203) » Mon May 18, 2020 12:21 pm

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In post 642, Hiraki wrote:HEM has no real reads read the last 3 pages
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Post Post #647 (isolation #204) » Mon May 18, 2020 12:25 pm

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Hiraki's doing it on purpose, right?
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Post Post #651 (isolation #205) » Mon May 18, 2020 12:30 pm

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In post 649, Hiraki wrote:yep totally doing it on purpose, no one else saw it
A genie tells you I'm town. Who do you think is the scum team?
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Post Post #657 (isolation #206) » Mon May 18, 2020 1:13 pm

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okay but what is madoka's meta as scum according to you?
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Post Post #668 (isolation #207) » Mon May 18, 2020 2:19 pm

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Hiraki and I being partners is something I want to see someday. Maybe in Blitz III.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #208) » Mon May 18, 2020 2:23 pm

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Madoka, have you accounted for nicknames like HG and GB?
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Post Post #670 (isolation #209) » Mon May 18, 2020 2:24 pm

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I seriously got curious about the stats
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Post Post #674 (isolation #210) » Mon May 18, 2020 2:51 pm

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In post 671, Umlaut wrote:GeorgeBailey (5) - Umlaut,
HoldenGolden
, Hiraki,
Hoctac
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Datisi

Hiraki (2) -
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GeorgeBailey

Datisi (1) - Madoka

Not Voting (1) - shiki
Or alternatively.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #211) » Mon May 18, 2020 2:55 pm

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Oh is blue PR color? I just wanted to emphasize that Umlaut and Hiraki are both unconfirmed in a green wagon and Umlaut is still working on a narrative that it's not an obvious counterwagon to Hiraki.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #212) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:11 pm

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Okay fair enough
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Post Post #690 (isolation #213) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:20 pm

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Madoka wrote:The more that I think about it, the more I think gambit comes from town Umlaut. I think mafia would have been resistant to Hectic's plan, considering the backlash.
Why would mafia be resistant to Hectic's plan? It's the perfect excuse to kill off your neighbor and get townread for it. It's either accept this gambit or ML the town neighbor. Both would flip the town neighbor in such a way that reveals they weren't confirmed, but the other provides an excuse to be seen as town.
In post 686, Madoka wrote:HEM, in Blitz I you reacted to Hiraki scumreading you by scumreading him. You reacted the same here. And reacted the same to me when I asked if you and shiki were partners. Do you tend to do this as either alignment? And if so, would you be able to be able to provide an example of doing so as town?
I don't know if I do it as both alignments. I can tell you why I reacted the way I did now. If you want to, you can scan my previous town games.
Madoka wrote:Also HEM why did you stop pursuing Hiraki as strongly as you were? Also do you think you may be pushing Umlaut more out of principle than legitimately finding his intentions scummy?
Who said I stopped? My lynch order is Umlaut and Hiraki, and it's increasingly getting obvious that Hiraki isn't trying to case my slot in good faith.
Umlaut wrote:I don't like this, you are backing off an explanation given by your top scumread way too fast.
There was no reason not to believe your explanation, and it's an explanation that makes sense even if you're scum. I can see that you're trying to make your POV consistent, and that's fair.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #214) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:23 pm

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Like, don't agree to the gambit, your town neighbor becomes suspicious "why wouldn't he want that?"
Agree to the gambit, and don't kill your partner, your town neighbor becomes suspicious "why wasn't I killed last night?"
Agree to the gambit, and kill your partner, you get towncred.

There's a scum!planation for agreeing to it, and I don't think you should dismiss that.
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Post Post #692 (isolation #215) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:26 pm

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If you guys got any more questions, you got 30 minutes before I put the lights out.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #216) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=74541

This isn't a flattering town game but I pretty much OMGUS tunneled Sephiroth here.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #217) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:31 pm

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Now that I think about it yeah I think I have the inclination to 1v1 anyone who finds me scummy regardless of alignment lol. I think the egg came first before the chicken in as much as I OMGUS as town, and I try to emulate that as scum.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #218) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:32 pm

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Since that terrible encounter with Sephiroth, though, I try to take myself out of tunnels by checking with my townreads if my reads are right.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #219) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:36 pm

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It's a very hard question to answer with 100% certainty because I can only see who I voted and I can't check if it's because they were sus of me in under 3 minutes, so I trust that you'll do the honest digging for me (I want to sleep). You can ask shiki for her meta on me. Although I remember Winter Wonderland like a traumatic event and that's the first thing I'll refer you to.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #220) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:37 pm

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Madoka, Umlaut literally celebrates Hoctac's death because now he's confirmed town, he says.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #221) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:38 pm

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In post 571, Umlaut wrote:Hoctac's idea was that it would confirm mafia believed the neighbor claim and so the other neighbor was town, but I did point out at some point in the day that if he were scum he could just kill me and use that same argument to "clear" himself if people bought it, so I don"t necessarily expect to be treated as clear. But I know this means Mafia at least thought the claims were likely to be true.
Do you 100% buy this perspective?
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Post Post #700 (isolation #222) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:40 pm

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How about this: If Umlaut doesn't flip scum, you all can flip me tomorrow. And then you can lynch Hiraki, as he's obscum at this point. Deal?
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Post Post #703 (isolation #223) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:42 pm

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Don't we?
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Post Post #705 (isolation #224) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:44 pm

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We have two mislynches before LYLO, I counted.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #225) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:46 pm

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No. I counted from the wrong list. Lol.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #226) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:46 pm

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I counted from Players instead of Alive
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Post Post #711 (isolation #227) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:48 pm

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In post 702, Umlaut wrote:I have no trouble believing, under the hypothesis that Hiraki is town, that HEM could be the scum looking for a safe way onto the GeorgeBailey wagon.
I 100% would have joined GeorgeBailey's wagon. You're not wrong there. Hiraki's wagon was going nowhere.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #228) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:50 pm

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I disagree. There's absolutely no reason to celebrate the death of your town neighbor if only to signal the fact that it may imply you being cleared.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #229) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:51 pm

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Your town neighbor gets NK'd and your reaction is "woo!". Why and what have you gained?
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Post Post #715 (isolation #230) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:51 pm

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Think about it Madoka.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #231) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:54 pm

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But what have you gained??? What would you gain there, as Umlaut?
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Post Post #719 (isolation #232) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:54 pm

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Hmm
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Post Post #722 (isolation #233) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:55 pm

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I'll sleep on it.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #234) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:56 pm

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Good night, Madoka. You're very sweet. I hope you're not scum.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #235) » Tue May 19, 2020 1:58 am

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No, I admit I'd have to jump to George at that point. I kinda have no choice. I was on Hiraki's wagon at 2 votes and there was no one else wanting to lynch him. It's deadline, and we needed a lynch. Not that I wanted to lynch him, but we needed to flip something. Datisi just jumped the gun and hammered him first. If someone were to talk to me, I would have given intent.

What I see here is forcing a false dichotomy that lynching GeorgeBailey = bad. I don't think that's true. Gamestate forced us to a single wagon. That's what needs analysis.

Also Hiraki, I'm not the first one to ignore questions from the two of us.
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Post Post #737 (isolation #236) » Tue May 19, 2020 1:59 am

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I think I'm good with Umlaut + Hiraki as my scumteam.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #237) » Tue May 19, 2020 4:14 am

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VOTE: Hiraki
Let's do this
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Post Post #756 (isolation #238) » Tue May 19, 2020 2:04 pm

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I see Hiraki's got a love letters for me
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Post Post #757 (isolation #239) » Tue May 19, 2020 2:08 pm

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In post 747, Umlaut wrote:Yesterday
you vocally disbelieved the mason claim, and
you said (and maintained today) that if mason claim was a lie then at least one of the claimants was scum.
It seems reasonable to conclude that yesterday you thought I was probably scum. Is this correct? I am going somewhere with this but I'd like you to give a definite answer to this before I continue.
I felt like the mason claim is a puppet show, yes.
I believe if it's a mason claim, and one flips town-aligned after the mason claim, that it's likely the other is scum. Yes.
Yesterday, I didn't immediately conclude that you were probably scum. Just that if it's a fakeclaim, one would be scum.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #240) » Tue May 19, 2020 2:22 pm

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In post 743, Hiraki wrote:the facts according to HEM:

1) George is not a bad lynch.
2) George needed intent to hammer before lynching.
3) George was hammered on with someone who did not claim intent which is okay
4) HEM was not able to hammer George before he was aware that George was L-1

the facts according to the thread:

1) George is still not a bad lynch.
2) George did not need intent to hammer before lynching.

3) George was hammered on with someone who did not claim intent which is okay
4) HEM did not hammer George because he was apprehensive about the situation
This is just facts according to Hiraki.

You're getting ridiculous.

I didn't get off your wagon immediately after it went down to two votes because I was hoping Madoka would join the wagon. I was waiting for her catch-up. It's just that soon after her catch up, Datisi hammers George and I didn't know he was L-1 because there wasn't a VC.

You're not even interested in translating events accurately, are you?
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Post Post #759 (isolation #241) » Tue May 19, 2020 2:23 pm

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If everyone's read predicated on Hiraki's alignment, just join me in lynching him. It's gonna flip scum.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #242) » Tue May 19, 2020 3:18 pm

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In post 762, HoldenGolden wrote:Oh and I doubt that Hiraki/HEM is a team too but that's a bit obvious.
I hardbussed 3bounty in Newbie 1996, so is it really that obvious?

Just kidding you don't have anything to be worried about.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #783 (isolation #243) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:05 pm

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Someone doesn't want to hammer Hiraki.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #244) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:13 pm

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Yes. It's ticking me.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #245) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:14 pm

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Unless she's trying to get HG and Datisi on the Umlaut wagon, she would have moved to hammer Hiraki at #779
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Post Post #787 (isolation #246) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:15 pm

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If Hiraki flips scum here, it may very well be Hiraki + shiki.
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Post Post #789 (isolation #247) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:17 pm

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He's on V/LA and he said he'll get Datisi to finish the thought if he dies tonight.
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Post Post #808 (isolation #248) » Fri May 22, 2020 6:54 am

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I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #249) » Fri May 22, 2020 2:48 pm

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good morning
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Post Post #847 (isolation #250) » Fri May 22, 2020 3:32 pm

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In post 808, humaneatingmonkey wrote:re-read after I wake up
i have some shit to do so i dont think so
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Post Post #851 (isolation #251) » Fri May 22, 2020 5:17 pm

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No.

I'll be here in 12 hours. Sorry for the delay.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #252) » Sat May 23, 2020 8:59 am

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hello folks

im really sorry about being absent. it was an important day for my band. we released music and a music video.
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Post Post #858 (isolation #253) » Sat May 23, 2020 9:53 am

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I promise I'll re-read the thread after I wake up. Had a long day. Don't really want to sloppily re-read 35 pages. Good night.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #254) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:32 am

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clidd if you're town i'd think twice before doing what you're going to do
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Post Post #869 (isolation #255) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:32 am

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i'm town
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Post Post #870 (isolation #256) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:33 am

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give me a chance to read the thread FFS
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Post Post #873 (isolation #257) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:39 am

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Not nooooow I'm in bed
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Post Post #874 (isolation #258) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:40 am

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it's 6:39 AM in my timezone. i had a really busy day. please clidd.
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Post Post #876 (isolation #259) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:43 am

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You're very wrong, or you're scum. At least give me a chance at LYLO tomorrow. Why are you so convinced that it's me and not Umlaut + shiki anyway? Where is this confidence coming from?
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Post Post #877 (isolation #260) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:44 am

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Let me sleep clidd. I promise I'm town. If you're town, just give me time to convince you. You have nothing to lose.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #261) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:45 am

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Please clidd I need this for my win-loss record. My town record is 4/5/0 and I don't like that number.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #262) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:53 pm

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bruh how brave was clidd with that vote attempt huh?
i remembered town!clidd to be more apprehensive, analytical, and scrutinizing than that
without re-reading, i would say clidd is probably scum here based on that alone
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Post Post #906 (isolation #263) » Sat May 23, 2020 5:00 pm

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im gonna spend time here now
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Post Post #907 (isolation #264) » Sat May 23, 2020 6:48 pm

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Yeah I think I'm voting for clidd/Madoka
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Post Post #908 (isolation #265) » Sat May 23, 2020 6:56 pm

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Mega post coming up. I'm glad Madoka + clidd's ISO is just one page.
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Post Post #910 (isolation #266) » Sat May 23, 2020 7:30 pm

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Spoiler: #171
In post 171, Madoka wrote:Umlaut, could you confirm if you are indeed Masons? I'd rather not waste mental energy attempting to sort you if you are. And being deceptive and having us think you are when you are not, causes confusion and is unfair to your allies if you're town.

This post omits the possibility that Umlaut could be scum. I believe town!Madoka would have spent some energy discussing a possible scum!Umlaut situation. But scum!Madoka could either be TMI-ing or it's scum!Umlaut.

Spoiler: #402
In post 402, Madoka wrote:I have been skimming, but I am no longer V/LA and will be able to put more time into this. Also Micc, you didn't read this. If you did, I wasn't V/LA, I'm lying.

I am up to page 5 on in-depth reading:

5 nai
6 nai
8 nai
9 nai
10 nai
hu: town, non-lamisty as compared to previous game
12 nai
13 nai
14 nai and also i dont know what this means
15 nai
18 nai and funny
ge: town, only town role fish and role phish and roll fish
ge: town flex posting
da: scum joke
hu: scum vote
ge: town reaction
hu: town perspective
ge: town reaction
sh: town involvement
34 nai
da: hedgey = scummy
hu: town, is ok with people being town read / not arguing against it
38 nai
39 nai
41 nai
ge: town, guiltless
44 nai
45 nai
hu: nvm he is arguing against it
47 nai
hu: no, faking that requires premeditation. george was clearly reacting in the moment. you dont need meta for this
54 nai bugspray/umlaut line funny
hu: i believe
58 nai
ge: do the town reads really come from meta? i dont think so. this read on hem is iffy
hu: weird post. really weird post
61 nai
da: hedge again
nai shiki #2
66 nai
67 nai
68 nai
69 nai shiki #3
70 nai
hu: yes i agree
hu: good accepting it
74 nai but man this is a completely different guy from last game it's making me feel weird
da: is reading as unnaturaly conversive to me. is this bias??? my experience with him is limited so let's make this nai
76 nai
da: good tone
80 nai
81 nai
82 nai and scaring me
83 nai and i thought i knew fear before
84 nai
85 nai
86 nai
87 nai lol whyyy
ho: good eval
89 nai
hu: alright point
91 nai
hu: highly town indicative. hu in previous game was very forceful with his positions
94 nai
sh: good eval
98 nai
99 nai
100 nai
hu: no good, it wasnt suspicious at all
103 nai also don't know why he said this
hu: good
105 nai
106 nai
109 nai
110 nai
111 nai
113 nai
ho: hmmm
115 nai
117 nai
118 nai
122 nai
123 nai

From the content up to that point,

♡ I am town reading HEM. He is playing in an easy going way and does not seem to care too much about players being town read. In the previous game he pushed for players pretty hard so as to avoid being PoEd. He was also very LAMISTy and he does not appear to be making an effort to appear town here. My negatives are that his friendliness and jovial character is making me feel weird because of the stark contrast with his previous play. It does make me wonder if he is trying to be so different from the last game, that he is town read by meta.
@Holden
, did scum HEM in your last game play similarly to Blitz I? Or did he change up his style? Do you think his play here is within the realm of being deliberately different? Another thing that is weirding me out is how he keeps addressing Shiki. But I think the most suspicious part of HEM's play was his read on the George situation. George simply was not scummy there, and HEM portrayed everyone else's read of the situation as coming from meta, but I do not think that was the case except for Shiki. I suppose this, along with the way HEM has been addressing Shiki, could be explained if they are in a neighborhood and Shiki expressed her meta view of George privately.

♡ I have a town impression of George. His reaction to the masons claim appeared natural and fluid. My only negative is that his play is different than the previous Blitz. That does not provide enough data, however, for this to greatly impact my read. Oh, I also was not fond of his HEM read. George agreed that everyone's view of him came from meta, but again, I do not think that was true. He just looked townie from the situation.

♡ I have a town impression of Shiki. I agreed with her analysis of HEM.

♡ I have a slight town impression of Holden. I liked his perspective on George.

♡ I have a slight scum impression of Datasi. He seems off, but I am not sure how much of that is bias from future pages. Datisi once told me that he is great at being town read from town as tone, so it is concerning that I am getting a scum impression. The hedgeyness of his pan cakes is what pinged me. Is it really a pot bake if it comes with an asterisk? That is a warm make not a hot sake. The timing of his HEM pot cake also did not seem natural.


If Shiki and HEM are neighbors, the setup is looking similar to this game. It may be then, that the neighbors are both town, and mafia consists of a traffic analyst and a goon.

She says she is townreading me, but she narrates a possibility that I could be scum. I don't think the confidence that I am town reflects the thoughts she's having about my slot here. Not a natural progression — especially since the elimination of her suspicions rest solely on me + shiki being neighbors.

Spoiler: #403
In post 403, Madoka wrote:Ok, looking through that last page, I think it is safe to lock HEM as town.

I think it was very shallow to lock me as town there.

Spoiler: #507
In post 507, Madoka wrote:
This represents the current strength of my reads


GeorgeBailey
<<<<
<
<<<<<o>>>>>>>>>>

Datisi
<<<<<
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<<<<o>>>>>>>>>>

HoldenGolden
<<<<<<
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<<<o>>>>>>>>>>

Hiraki
<<<<<<<<<<o>>
>
>>>>>>>

shiki
<<<<<<<<<<o>>>>>>
>
>>>

humaneatingmonkey
<<<<<<<<<<o>>>>>>>>
>
>

This indicates that she finds GeorgeBailey more suspicious than Datisi. I think it's very important to note that she released this chart at about the time GeorgeBailey was the top wagon of the day. She may have been trying to get the right opportunity to vote George there.

Spoiler: #543
In post 543, Madoka wrote:Less than 14 hours. I am quite sleepy and so not up to doing a thorough summary, but here are my notes:

252 nai makes sense
253 nai
256 nai
257 nai
260 nai
da: not good
262 nai
264 nai maybe townish
267 nai
268 nai
ho: why are you still scumhunting masonssss
272 nai
da: i honestly cant buy that you dont believe the claim at this point. I also dont buy that you believe I am pushing in bad faith. You referenced me pushing you similarly before and you keep addressing me as if i am town
274 nai
da: this is example, you are drawing a comparison between this situation and when I pushed you similarly as confirmed town. This doesn't seem like the type of perspective a person who thinks I am pushing in bad faith would have
278 nai
da: town impression
301 nai
312 nai
hi: i agree with his point on hem on second read
321 nai
332 nai
335 nai
hi: hiraki's points are fair
349 nai
351 nai
355 nai
360 nai consistent
hi: thoughts are uncharacteristically clear and agreeable.
370 sh: not a lot said here
375 nai
382 i am going to miss shiki ]:
384 nai
hi: good tone, first point is indeed a stretch though, and he seems to be much more level headed and articulate than usual.
da: woah this gave me butterflies. not in a warmfuzzies sort of way, but in an omg its scum! sort of way. datisi's joke_annoyance with hoctac's shenanigans reads really fake to me, like he is trying to hold onto the perspective that the mason claim could still be untrue. It's scum faking ignorance. + for using the god-tier symbol though: the tilde. reading further, the whoa mindmeld looks fake too. reading further, datasi has now done what i believe to be a guranteed scum tell. i thought he did it earlier too but he had a reasonable explanation for it
409 nai but also bussy/oportunistic
ho: i dont see how town george would be lazy, but the rest of this post is good especially the last two lines
hi: ping -- hiraki has spoken positively about both me and shiki
ge: good tone
425 nai
428 nai
429 nervous
430 nai
da: no it isnt
hi: i didnt pick up that hiraki spoke positivly of umlaut as well. this is very much out of character from what ive seen of hiraki. albeit ive only been in two games.
da: i have reach confirmation bias point and can no longer read any of datisi's post without scumreading, so i am going to stop including them unless they are particularly notable.
444 nai
ge: iioa
451 nai
452 nvm ill still include them, nai
453 nai and good question
ge: WHAT?! This gave me goosebumps. Not the ooo that's nice kind. The woah this is pretty suspect kind. Why can't it by T v T?
459 cont.
456 cont..
ho: townie
463 wait literal goats?
464 nai
ge: what happened to preferring hem and feeling weary about the hiraki wagon?? (457)
hi: town indicative -- the counting bit
468 nai
ge: ok fair explanation to 466
475 nai
sh: im not sure what shiki means here
487 nai
489 nai
492 nai
494 nai
496 nai
497 nai
583 naiisuppose
516 nai
517 nai
523 nai
525 good
ho: seems very fair
530 nai
532 nai
534 good
536 nai
537 really like tone of this interaction

I guess I will lay out the essential stuff:

♡ I feel fairly confident datisi is scum (see note 404).
♡ I feel more positively about holden from our interaction.
♡ I still think HEM is town. I do not think the points on Hiraki are AI though.
♡ I think Hiraki may be image managing this game. He tends to be quite mean, but he has complimented me, shiki, and umlaut in some form. He also seems to be playing less assertively. This is not substantial enough to lynch him though. I think most of his content is reasonable. He misinterpreted HEM it seems, but I don't see that as AI. Not really having a solid scum read other than HEM is the biggest negative.
♡ George making HEM vs Hiraki as only T v S is really scummy.

I think lynching Datisi, George, and Hiraki in that order wins it.

VOTE: Datisi

But here, she votes Datisi. Why? Did I miss the part where she thought George can be redeemed?

The answer is George was the likely lynch for the day and she wanted to distance from all that. I think town!Madoka would have hammered GeorgeBailey there.

Spoiler: #604
In post 604, Madoka wrote:We have a mislynch, correct? I say we just lynch Hiraki and if he flips green it is HEM + Shiki.

I think this was shiki who mentioned this but I agree that this feels like scum setting up a LYLO a day in advance. I think town!Madoka would have re-considered her Umlaut read at LYLO — like every normal town would on any non-confirmed.

Spoiler: #615
In post 615, Madoka wrote:No, I am not going to spend time trying to explain vibe. The way he talks about Shiki reminds me of the way he talked about bugspray. Read it yourself or lynch me.

@datisi, I have no idea if it is Shiki + HEM until I see Hiraki's flip. This conversation is fruitless because it is speculation based on no evidence other than PoE.

Is it just me or is it uncharacteristic of Madoka to say "lynch me or him" here? There was no real threat here, but it seems like she's trying to project confidence for her narrative on #604. It reads as fake to me.

Spoiler: #805
quote="In post 805, clidd"]
In post 598, Datisi wrote:my gut reaction when i saw hectic die was that the neighbors were both town because i'd lowkey expect someone else to get shot if one of them is scum (like i thought my reactions were plainly obvious if you knew they weren't masons) but holden disagrees with me so idk anymore

pedit: fine with massclaim, sure
I agree with that and I can see it happening.

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred: viewtopic.php?t=82022&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go[/quote]

At this point, if I would infer from his posts when talking to HoldenGolden and Umlaut, later on, he has just ISO'd Datisi without the context of the game. He seems like he's too confident of that possibility without any other game information. That's not natural progression.

Spoiler: #807
In post 807, clidd wrote:Shiki seems naked scum in my opinion, but I will investigate the possibilities further when I get home.

I would like to note that he thinks Shiki is naked scum, but he's willing to throw out that read because I'm more scum am I right?

Spoiler: #812
In post 812, clidd wrote:
In post 808, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.
Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (which has already stolen 2 wins from him), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?
In post 815, clidd wrote:If holden is mason, and Holden + Monkey aren't SvS, I am inclined to think that they are TvT if there was no significant push to lynch each other on D1 ~ D2, what makes the game's solution theoretically being
Shiki + Umlaut
and the speculation about coexistence between hood and mason wrong.

If you're town Shiki, however, the solve is basically Monkey + Umlaut. But the solution above is more plausible ^

this entire chain and clidd including HoldenGolden for the list of slots in consideration here feels like fake scumhunting at LYLO.

Spoiler: #866, #867, #875
In post 866, clidd wrote:If Shiki + Umlaut isn't possible, I'll vote Monkey. Im not gonna lose to him.
In post 867, clidd wrote:If you're wrong and the team is Shiki + Umlaut, we lose.
In post 875, clidd wrote:Monkey, you're scum dude.

I'm willing to lynch him for these posts alone. This is so different from the analytical, apprehensive clidd that I experience in Newbie 1996. He projects fake confidence that it's me and I don't think it's something that only I would notice. It's just so obvious.

I'm going to evaluate tomorrow who between Umlaut and shiki is clidd's partner. For now, I think Madoka/clidd flips scum.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #267) » Sat May 23, 2020 7:31 pm

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HG, I made a wallpost ISO. If you sleep on it before commenting, I'm gonna be so discouraged.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #268) » Sat May 23, 2020 7:35 pm

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can you be a dear and edit the formatting of my post? I feel like people won't read my awesome wallpost with that atrocious formatting
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Post Post #925 (isolation #269) » Sun May 24, 2020 5:21 am

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VOTE: clidd
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Post Post #926 (isolation #270) » Sun May 24, 2020 5:22 am

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Thank you for confirming yourself as scum.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #271) » Sun May 24, 2020 6:12 am

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Clidd is scum. Ask me anything.

I have a gif prepared for when someone hammers clidd. Do not disappoint me.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #272) » Sun May 24, 2020 6:30 am

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Hmm maybe it's shiki + clidd after all.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #273) » Sun May 24, 2020 6:31 am

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clidd must be the most defeated scum I've ever seen
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Post Post #947 (isolation #274) » Sun May 24, 2020 6:33 am

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I see you, boo
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Post Post #953 (isolation #275) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:06 am

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VOTE: Umlaut
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Post Post #954 (isolation #276) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:07 am

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You gamethrew, clidd. Not cool.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #277) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:08 am

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It's just a game and we actually enjoy mafia — regardless of losing. Don't turn it into your own personal insult playground. That ruins the game.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #278) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:10 am

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Post Post #983 (isolation #280) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:44 am

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HoldenGolden's gonna be lynching me Day 1 in any game we play from now on.
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Post Post #985 (isolation #281) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:45 am

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In post 967, HoldenGolden wrote:Well played to Shiki btw for the very nuanced breadcrumb scum read btw. That was a work of art from both alignments.
It was fucking genius
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Post Post #988 (isolation #282) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:51 am

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Datisi scumreads Madoka, and it would also appear that Madoka was getting rid of Datisi for LYLO.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #283) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:52 am

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As you can see, I apologized in the mafia PT and I asked Micc about it.

I DO NOT mean any of it.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #284) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:54 am

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I hope we good...
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Post Post #994 (isolation #285) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:58 am

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I mean, I need to respond like I would as town being tunnelled. I believe I directed all "insults" on your play than you as a person. I do not mean not signing up with you again. I actually would enjoy being town with you for once.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #286) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:00 am

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All evidence was there to vote me at anytime, because I'm scum. Literally any post I make is a scum post.
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Post Post #997 (isolation #287) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:01 am

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Thank you for giving me a chance at a comeback, Micc.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #288) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:23 am

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By the way, shiki, I updated my wiki page because you kinda guilt trip us into doing so.
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #289) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:31 am

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no not at all. im saying i dont mean that i do not want to sign up with you.

like i said i dont mean any of it.

hey man stop scumhunting it's post game lmao damn boy
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #290) » Sun May 24, 2020 4:37 pm

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In post 913, HoldenGolden wrote:Also congrats to releasing the new song. Can I get link post game plz thank tanks
I realized I can't do this without doxxing myself.

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