Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!
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good news is I am indeed town. can you feel it? you can feel itIn post 265, GrandpaMo wrote:welcome gimli! u have 1 minute and 23 seconds to respond with a 5 page essay on why you are town.
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I'll townread you for feeling similar feelsIn post 71, Scoliosis wrote:I guess Abnegation feels like scum. No reason, just a feeling.-
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oh myIn post 83, GrandpaMo wrote:
i see this fwiwIn post 71, Scoliosis wrote:I guess Abnegation feels like scum. No reason, just a feeling.-
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I get why you'd think that but I don't like that you're thinking that, it seems fake scum reasoning to townread people (when you didn't even read the plan yet)In post 92, Abnegation wrote:
oh god this is complicated and i need to go think about it.In post 85, Tabibitos wrote:wallpost
if i like this plan, i will bet the game on town!tabibitos.
I didn't read the plan either I'm lazy-
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I can smell the townie fragrance coming out of thisIn post 156, Scoliosis wrote:I read the setup strategy posts differently between GrandpaMo and Aether. Aether wrote their big analysis when they weren't really under pressure and they were also the first to do so. Being the first to write a big mech post is more of a risk socially because not everyone is going to want to read that, so I think that's less likely to come from Aether if they're townie. GrandpaMo though wrote their big analysis after they knew Aether was townread for doing so. GrandpaMo also wrote their big analysis while they knew they were already being suspected by a few players--like me--so it feels more like an attempt to fish for townreads.-
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if we misuse our NAs horribly enough they can reach parity on d2:
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weak dies
quack kills
cpr kills
mafia kill
and d2 will be 2vs2. so whatever NAs, we have to set them up and everyone needs to agree with it (I'm too dumb to figure out how to properly use them) or it's best to agree to not use them, at least not on n1.-
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can you explain that to me in a few words?In post 290, Elements wrote: This is most likely to happen if we circular target I think.
Hence the 2 groups idea that's been going around. That way we have max 3 dead town tomorrow-
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ask aether to post the dumbed down version in thread cause the first one was too complicated and wordyIn post 298, Tabibitos wrote:Ahh i'm sorry but i'm really not good at mech-talk. I'm gonna ask Aether to explain to me this plan in a way i understand later so i can keep up LOL.
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brilliant. I'm down.In post 302, Elements wrote:In post 295, Gimli wrote: can you explain that to me in a few words?
the only way to have 4 night kills is if CPR, Quack, Weak, Mafia all target different people and weak hits mafia. The easiest way for this to happen is if we target in a circle. Then Quack and CPR will 100% kill their targets + mafia kill makes 3. Then all we need is for weak to be next to a mafia.This is most likely to happen if we circular target I think.
Circular targeting almost always results in 2 kills. The only way it doesn't is if the mafia doing the kill gets jailed.
With two groups, only two players will be targeted.Hence the 2 groups idea that's been going around. That way we have max 3 dead town tomorrow
The only way to get 3 town killed is if both targets die + mafia kill.
The jailer will guarantee one of the targets lives so there can only be 2 town deaths.
The only way for there to be 3 deaths is if the weak doctor dies and the non-jailed target dies. In this case the non-jailed target is scum and also dies.
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yeah I got it, thanksIn post 303, GrandpaMo wrote:
i meant to say if that doc dies then that nurse will become that doc's powerIn post 301, GrandpaMo wrote:if nurse dies then they convert to the doc that died-
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The town on the nurse does have a 1 in 4 chance of just killing them.In post 325, GrandpaMo wrote: just put enchant with group 1 -- there u go, u will always have atleast ONE TOWN on nurse at all times. i think this is solid so in conclusion
group 1 - a, b, c -- target nurse
group 2 - d, e -- target each other
group 3 - f, g -- target each other
group 4 - nurse -- target no one
And we also don't get much info of the Nurse's ability[/quote]
oh fu**** i forgot about nurse posseing power of dead doc.
i was just assuming doctor dead at night type stuff damn ok that changes stuff.
that makes me think that nurse shouldn't just out then.
that means two groups of 4 is just better then.
group 1 - a, b, c, d -- target e
group 2 - e, f, g, h -- target a
regardless of what nurse is. that makes sense[/quote]
I think outing and protecting the nurse wins us the game a large % of the time once the nurse inherits a dead doc ability.-
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okay, that works. I didn't realise we wouldn't get a full flip. in my defence, I'm an idiot.In post 333, Elements wrote:
When we decide our co-ordination we can put in the caveat:In post 331, Gimli wrote:also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.
If the nurse is outed, the other group targets her instead.
e.g.
Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> A
c is outed as nurse
Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> c-
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how do you go from knowing we're all 'just doctor' to saying claiming doctor won't get CCed?In post 337, Freedom wrote: I disagree with this.
I think that they're most likely to claim Doctor, knowing that they can't be CCed.-
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cute <3In post 364, Elements wrote:
nah, I just did some mathsIn post 363, Gimli wrote:I don't deserve to be in the same town as elements
you totally deserve to be here <3
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yeah, one of galron's 8 posts is voting shirou (who slipped their main acc into the thread playing under a hydra), in a way that felt like just trying to post some content and look like scumhunting. then unvoting and not moving anywhere else shows lack of intent, which I don't likeIn post 377, GrandpaMo wrote:
are u reading my mind lmaoooIn post 375, Gimli wrote:what do you think of galron, grandpa?
i was just gonna ask u that because i had them on my bottom three of my readlist
towards a null. i first thought they voted abnegation because of their slip i saw but they did it for rvs then abnegation was going back and forth with them?
they have not contributed at all nd like i told enchant (well implied it to them) if they aint scum, then galron is my next on my list.
after that interaction i had with enchant, it made me like them a lot more and so went above galron in my readlist poe
so now i just have galron and freedom as my bottom two.-
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@grandpa: I'm actually not an alt, I haven't played in two years and don't know anyone
wrt abnegation's post, I agree with the logic behind it and I've been advocating for outing the nurse as IC in d1 as well (my idea being turning the game into a 9er with an IC and not use any NAs). But, does that affect your read on freedom?-
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thanks! I feel a lot of my posting has been pure ass thoughIn post 393, GrandpaMo wrote: this is a compliment because u play rlly good especially considering u haven tplayed in two years.
also welcome back -- this is also my return as well from like a year to 2
are we sure that performing NAs the way we're suggesting now (focusing on 2 players) is better than going no NAs? are we sure the nurse is more useful for us hidden than outed on d1?
for instance: we might end up playing a 6er tomorrow with two living mafia and concurring nurse claims, right? isn't it better if we avoid the possibility?-
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hi scoliosis!
wrt your three questions: no I didn't play anywhere else since my last game here (it was bad and I felt bad about playing mafia again). my reasons for thinking it might be scum indicative for galron to be voting/unvoting shirou, as I tried explaining already, are because it doesn't feel like a real attempt at scumhunting. Have I seen scum specifically voting a main acc that slipped into a thread? No, I don't remember this specific scenario ever happening before and am not basing the scumread in past games I played.
Why am I townreading vanderskamp? I'm not sure that I am anymore, but I liked how he pushed grandpa and that's why I had him as town. My top townread is elements, and then you're a close second. I like that you're questioning me as well and the way you're doing it.-
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can I have more input on this? Scoliosis, you still around?In post 404, Gimli wrote: are we sure that performing NAs the way we're suggesting now (focusing on 2 players) is better than going no NAs? are we sure the nurse is more useful for us hidden than outed on d1?
for instance: we might end up playing a 6er tomorrow with two living mafia and concurring nurse claims, right? isn't it better if we avoid the possibility?
no early birds in this game. too bad.-
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the 'if I like this plan I'll bet the game on the hydra being town' line, yeah. IDK. maybe flipping freedom is as good as it's gonna get as far as D1 goes.In post 427, Vanderscamp wrote:it was actually your post about Freedom ('s slot's) post 92(?) that made me think "yeah this post makes no sense and I actively dislike it" and I don't have any other stronger scum reads.
I like your string of posts now, but I'd like it even more if it didn't come right after getting some heat.-
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I didn't think it was odd, because that's the only way we can block a NK, while openly choosing a protection won't actually protect anything other than making sure i.e. both you and grandpa are (hopefully) alive tomorrow.In post 439, Elements wrote: Why are the groups targeting scum reads when we're more likely to protect than kill?-
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yes I prefer potentially jailkeeping scum + potentially killing scum. isn't it better if we all target them?In post 454, Elements wrote: Is anyone opposed to this?
If we end up liking someone other than freedom just replace their name with freedom's in the groupings-
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yeah I disagree with your plan and I want to target scumreads. if we get scum eliminated d1, JKing the other wins the game. if we don't, protecting townreads might actually get one, if not two townies killed. killing 9/35 works both ways and I rather have it flipped inside our POE and not the other way around. protecting both of you will get another player from the towncore killed at night. I'm apparently as much of a townread for many players as both of you, for instance.-
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Did your plan protect conftown? Not really, right?In post 479, Tabibitos wrote:I am gonna probably be around to effort his weekend
I don't like the current "plan"? It's basically my old plan and we found flaws on it right? Why are we doing it anyway if even elements math said it wasn't too good?
I think targeting townreads is worse than going no NAs. If we lim the JKer, or the doctor, our NAs have a 50% chance of killing our townreads (cpr and quack targeting opposing groups).
The plan is bad, I think.-
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We should be targeting scumreads regardless of the Flip.In post 502, Gimli wrote:
Did your plan protect conftown? Not really, right?In post 479, Tabibitos wrote:I am gonna probably be around to effort his weekend
I don't like the current "plan"? It's basically my old plan and we found flaws on it right? Why are we doing it anyway if even elements math said it wasn't too good?
I think targeting townreads is worse than going no NAs. If we lim the JKer, or the doctor, our NAs have a 50% chance of killing our townreads (cpr and quack targeting opposing groups).
The plan is bad, I think.
Sorry im phoneposting-
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