Micro 276 Peek a Boo! Mafia GAME OVER

[Majiffy]

34/ETL

I don't think the breaking strategy is going to work, but I don't think it'll hurt us, either.

[Majiffy]

Yeah I just re-read through the setup information. It's

possible

you could "break" the game by numbers alone, but it's also

probable

you'll shoot yourself in the foot on your path to think-you're-heading-to-greatness.

[Majiffy]

e.g. Lets say this is a 5 player game

Player 1 rolls 86%
Player 2 rolls 51%
Player 3 rolls 70%
Player 4 rolls 35%
Player 5 rolls 31%

Numbers alone tells us 4 and 5 are probably the policy lynches. However; now we have to randomize the playerlist, and THEN randomize numbers again to determine actual alignment.

Player 5 rolls first
Player 3 rolls next
Player 1
Player 4
Player 2

Player 5 rolls 36. Player 5 is now scum.
Player 3 rolls 33. Player 3 is now town.
Player 1 rolls 51. Player 1 is now town.
Player 4 rolls 50. Player 4 is now scum.
Player 2 is town because scum has been chosen.

In this hypothetical scenario, our assumption pans out. However, had any of players 1-3 rolled before 4 and 5, and then hit numbers above their %, they would be scum and we would be policy lynching townies for no reason other than a beat-the-odds strategy.

If you want to gamble, go to the casino. I'm going to scumhunt.

[Majiffy]

Does "chance" refer to the probability of getting town/scum which they got in their alignment PM?

Go read the setup information, everything involving the alignment process is there.

Yes, but we have nothing else to go on.

Maybe you should stop playing mafia, then.

[Majiffy]

As far as "significant", I would assume {

% less than 50

and/or

alignment role in the first half of the randomized playerlist

} with preference given to those players that have both, and less preference to those that have neither.

Statistically speaking, those would be the most significant numbers concerning chances of having Player X or Y as a partner.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, how exactly will you scumhunt when scum don't know they are scum?

Same way I always do, pinky. Thin the herd.

[Majiffy]

Sorry, alignment *ROLL.

[Majiffy]

If anyone actually reads it, sure

It's ok, we'll just lynch you and Who if no one opens their PM.

PEdit2: I want to be pinky Majiffy. Narf!

[Majiffy]

Love the image.

But in the future, please remember to rehost.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Majiffy

I support this movement.

[Majiffy]

Oh wait lynching? I heard president.

[Majiffy]

I actually kind of like the idea of lynching Who/Jingle for their low ass numbers.

I thought my number was the lowest so far, but I haven't been paying much attention.

[Majiffy]

How do you plan to play this game pre-role PM, Jiffy?

Lynch the people that I consider either incompetent or unable to sway to my every whim.

Jiffy got my name. If anything, I'm Jiffy's partner and we should uberbus him.

Shouldn't I be bussing

you

then?

These are the people I want to lynch right now, because I don't know them, except for Nat, and I can't read any of them, so they are useless to me.

VOTE: Ganondorf

Uti is easy enough to read, Nati is actually decent as town, so those two should be kept around.

IDK who the fuck Ganon is, unless it's a Nacho hydra. Which it may be.

[Majiffy]

No dude. He tried to take over the lesbian feminist ninjas and make them his slaves. And then he stole Zelda.

I, too, would like feminist lesbian ninja sex slaves.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Ganondorf
Chugga chugga chugga

CHOO CHOOOOOOO

[Majiffy]

Natirasha
Ganondorf
Om of the Nom

These players have not posted.

According to the OP, 9/9 have confirmed.

y confirm no post

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: And fuck you, you're not my real mom.

Anyway my percent was 99%, possible partner Majiffy.

Obv powerlynch the fuck out of Om because Majiffy is never scum.

Stop making excuses and vote ganondorf.

I'm not voting anyone just yet but if I did vote someone it'd be Majiffy, sorry.

You suck, what with your logic and your ideas.

Om i dont care. Jiffy isnt getting lynched today. I can use his skillz.

Said every woman eve-

me poe on others

I totally read this wrong.

[Majiffy]

Works for Jiffy.

[Majiffy]

Oh that's an apple.

I thought that was a crayon drawing of the Kool-Aid man amidst Christmas presents in your avatar.

[Majiffy]

Stump

[Majiffy]

Best role ever

[Majiffy]

I know what it is but why did you post it

submitting every night action i can think of.

^ I was getting a head-start.

(It was a joke)

The way I see it we can take two approaches to today's play. Lynch people with low town probabilities or lynch people who are difficult to read/low expected value later.

So why aren't we policy lynching me again?

Oh right, because I fucking rock.

[Majiffy]

I tried making a campaign for you before Jiffy, but your lack of campaign promises and bribery made it fall short. There's only so much I can do.

I always knew being the best possible politician would make me the worst politician...

[Majiffy]

Watch Om.
No Result.

[Majiffy]

I see no reason in the Who ISO that would lead to him being killed. No crumbs or softs, no heavy suspects.

This means either Who was killed because he was perceived as a threat by a member of the playerlist, or he was killed as a result of an Insane Doctor type (unlikely but possible).

[Majiffy]

After three minutes of staring intently at the playerlist, I've decided NKA isn't helping me today.

[Majiffy]

Ugh!

When are the bonuses applied?

Start of each dayphase. Or at least that's what I gathered by "edits are out, results are out", edits being the changes to the role PM.

[Majiffy]

Oh, it could also be a PGO I guess.

[Majiffy]

Considering he was a vig and all.

[Majiffy]

pedit: If Who tried to kill a PGO, the PGO would die too. If he targeted with something else, nothing would happen, therefore he wouldn't die. Therefore, no PGO.

Not all mods run their PGOs as dying after being targeted.

Uncommonly, a Paranoid Gun Owner is also Bulletproof (they shoot first before they're shot).

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, how come you used "Watch" when we knew there's a miller? The sensible choice was "Investigate", or "Kill" if you thought you are scum. Why "watch"?

I like watcher and tracker roles better than cops.

[Majiffy]

Also, not to toot my own horn but



I was recently a fucking boss with watch/track actions.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Wisdom

Weak argument for voting Uci.

[Majiffy]

And I should clarify that I think you're scum.

[Majiffy]

Good god, you fuckers post enough?

I'd say I'll read this tomorrow but I'm getting drunk tomorrow so no, that's not happening either.

Let me know if I missed anything important.

[Majiffy]

TOP O PAGE

[Majiffy]

Had time to catch up before I depart for a day of binge drinking.


Wisdom your entire argument is "Ucitron is scum because prove me wrong"
And then when people offer arguments, you rebuke with "Nah"
You're a valid lynch for the day today on that alone.

Wisdom.... he was the first to post after the kill was posted.... and he posted everything. If anything, that means he is telling the truth.

This is my feeling on the matter.

Why don't you want to vote om with me?

Why don't you vote Wisdom with me?

Given uc's quick night action disclosure, I don't believe he shot anyone last night.

I don't understand this. Why wouldn't scum come in and post "hey guys I got "no result""?

uctriton, we have established one of us is lying. When I say "the lying one" I refer to the one who shot Who.

This isn't necessarily true. If scum had a high town % they may not have opened their PM yet, and as such, may have tried to investigate.

Of course, that would demand Om be the other scum.

I'd be willing to lynch Om or Wisdom. And no one else today.

I agree with these.

Much stubborn. So observe.

LMAO

[SCUMHUNTING INTENSIFIES]

I used watch because I like to cast a large net in a micro. I picked Om because 99% town probability makes him an obvious night action choice.

[Majiffy]

It disagrees with what you're saying because scum with a high town % wouldn't have submitted a kill, they would have submitted investigate. Leaving Om to be the obvious killer.

But your reading comprehension is apparently el pequeño.

[Majiffy]

Aka there wouldn't be any liars, you're on a wild goosehunt, Nati isn't confirmed town, and you should be voting Om like ETL has been asking you to for about 5 pages.

[Majiffy]

Not quite. My argument is that scum would claim having done something that goes with the flow (investigate) rather than claim they tried to watch or kill Om.
And what arguments have I not discussed and have not tried to show why they're wrong?
You're misrepping.

Except you have no merit to make this claim because no scum (except possibly Om) knows they're scum. Ergo they have no motivation to lie about their night actions.

[Majiffy]

My point isn't invalid. Look at the reasons Jingle submitted a kill. Does it make sense? Was it pro-town?

My answer to both of those questions are "no", and I suspect Jingle has been lying.

[Majiffy]

The shooter knows they're scum.

OH MY FUCKING GOD OF COURSE THEY DO.

YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD

READ THE WORDS

I AM SAYING

YOU STUPID CUNT.

[Majiffy]

asdfsdgsdfhjs

[Majiffy]

Wisdom this is why everyone fucking lynches you in every goddamn game you play in.

[Majiffy]

Dude, seriously?

The shooter saw Who dying after they submitted a kill on Who.
Who flipped Vigilante meaning the shooter is not a Vigilante.
The shooter knows they are scum and have to lie about their action.

Which part do you not understand?

The part where you're instantly assuming it has to be someone who hasn't read their role PM yet.

[Majiffy]

"I'm looking for a really fast car off the line that can hit 90 in less than 5 seconds"

"How about this Porsce?"

"Clearly the car I am looking for is a souped-up 90's Ford Coupe. I will look in this pile of 90's Ford Coupe to find the one that is souped-up"

"... Porsce?"

"Shut up, I am carefully looking at these Fords"

Wisdom, Car-Shopping.

[Majiffy]

That's not what I'm assuming, I just find it more likely than it being Om.

Why

.

[Majiffy]

Wisdom, which do you think is the more likely scenario;

"I have looked at my role PM. I am a Scum Neighbor. I will kill someone, and then claim Neighbor at day start. Also, I will hide behind not doing a night action because I am a neighbor. What a great cover."

OR

"I have not looked at my role PM. I have a high percentage likelihood of being town. I will submit a kill, because lol, townies can kill now. Oh shit! I hit someone! I better claim to have used an investigative action on random player Y"

Seriously.

[Majiffy]

Your point is that nobody would ever try to submit a "Kill" action without reading their role pm?

My point is that it is neither pro-town nor logical to do so, so they shouldn't.

[Majiffy]

Seriously get the fuck out of this game. You have demonstrated a clear lack of reading comprehension, logical progression of thought, and now a complete inability to grasp simple setup mechanics.

You are by far the worst mafia player I have ever had the misfortune of playing with multiple times.

Good day, sir.

[Majiffy]

It's neither pro-town nor logical to use Watch when there's a dead Miller, but you did it anyway.
And we also have Jingle also trying to submit a kill.
So, what

should

happen is not necessarily what happens.

Explain to me why it is not pro-town or logical to use a watch with a dead miller, given what we know about this setup.
Explain to me why Jingle trying to submit a kill refutes my logic, rather than supports JingleScum.

Do you have inside knowledge of JingleTown?

[Majiffy]

And beyond that, explain to me why a player acting illogically and anti-town refutes the argument that the action was anti-town and illogical.

[Majiffy]

adsfdgh

I can't fucking even anymore.

Can we please policy lynch Wisdom?

[Majiffy]

Because a miller suggests the existence of a cop. The pro-town thing to do was investigate. One of us would get a result.

'Suggests'

We cannot rule out the possibility of the miller being added because of the

future existence

of a cop - knowing what we know about the setup - or a false positive for balancing purposes. Both of these are very plausible realities.

So, whereas a cop investigation is a very specific investigative report that could very well be spent on a dead player, I decided to use an investigative report that casts a wide net - watching - on a highly likely target - a 99% claimed town probability player.

This player is likely to be the target of doc protection, cop investigations, mafia kills, etc.

A watch is

the

most pro-town and logical move to make.


So you're wrong there, lets move on to where else you're wrong;

Jingle trying to submit a kill shows that there are people who thought "maybe I am scum, let's try killing" and submitted a kill. Which supports my logic.

Jingle trying to submit a kill shows that there are idiots who think "Hey you know I've got a good chance at being town but instead of doing anything that could possibly help me if I AM town, I am going to take an anti-town action, to see if I AM an anti-town role, so that my playstyle can thusly be negatively effected in the thread where players are actively looking for other players that know their alignment to be anti-town. This sounds like the most logical and sound action I could possibly take as either alignment!"
So if your logic is supported by this being a logical move, your argument supports my logic that you suck at this game.

I do know if Jingle is town but I don't think that the lying shooter would claim "I tried to shoot Om". And besides, the way he described his thought process looked genuine enough.

That still requires

more

players to take

actively

anti-wincon - not to mention incredibly stupid - actions.

It's a really poor position to take, given that we

know

there is a player who

read

their role PM and could very plausibly be scum.

[Majiffy]

And beyond that, explain to me why a player acting illogically and anti-town refutes the argument that the action was anti-town and illogical.

That's not what I'm trying to refute. The action maybe was anti-town and illogical, the point is that it could still happen. You are assuming it didn't happen just because it was anti-town and illogical.

I'm assuming we shouldn't start there when we have better, more likely avenues to take.

Assume Om has a ridiculously low percentage (say 5%), which made him claim a ridiculously high one. Why look at his role PM (which means he won't be getting any bonuses) instead of just assuming he most likely is scum and try to shoot someone?

So he would know who his partner is, and

what

his partner is.

Also what power roles may be available to him.

Now assume the liar, someone other than Om, also has a low percentage and also fakeclaimed something relatively high. Instead of looking at their role PM (and stopping getting any bonuses), they assumed they are most likely scum and tried to shoot someone. When they saw they succeeded, they lied about their night action.

Which one makes the most sense?

Om being scum. It requires less conditionals to complete.

So has anybody used my actions today to determine my alignment or are we just going to go on WIFOM NKA?

We haven't actually gotten past anything other than Wisdom having his head shoved up his ass.

Do you have anything worthwhile to add, or should I move my vote to you?

[Majiffy]

How the fuck is watching a logical thing?

an investigative report that casts a wide net - watching - on a highly likely target - a 99% claimed town probability player.

This player is likely to be the target of doc protection, cop investigations, mafia kills, etc.

What did you have pointing in a watcher being included in the setup?

Oh, I don't know, maybe because POWER ROLES ARE BEING HANDED OUT LIKE CANDY. WATCHERS AND TRACKERS ARE THE NORM WITH POWER-HEAVY SETUPS.

Fucking moron.

Why would anyone think that they are a watcher?

Why would anyone assume they should play like scum when they have a better chance of winning

as either alignment

by playing assuming they are town?

You're completely unreasonable and lacking common sense, which means you are arguing just to argue. You know I'm right.

Yeah, that's totally it. You got me, Wisdom, you clever dog, you.

[Majiffy]

This is all irrelevant.
The point is one.
There are people who would submit a kill action, whether you find that logical or not.
Which means my theory is perfectly plausible.

Plausible, sure, but not the optimum direction to go in.

One does not assume that the night kill comes from a player who does not know their role is more likely to be scum submitting a kill (an illogical and anti-wincon action to take) when there is a player who has read their role PM and has an easy claim to cover behind.

WHICH IS MY FUCKING POINT.

That still requires more players to take actively anti-wincon

How is it anti-wincon when they don't know their wincon?

Once again, why are you assuming that people have the percentages they claimed instead of low ones?

It doesn't matter what percentage they have.

Optimum strategy for scum in this game - and every other game - is to play like town, so as not to be caught by

scumhunting.

This is a setup where scum can

legitimately get away without having to know they are scum.

Knowing they are scum will taint their play, and enable them to more likely be caught by

scumhunting.

Ergo,

it is optimum strategy as scum to not try to figure out if you are scum, and just play as town.

And I shouldn't have to explain how playing to find out if you're scum is anti-town for a townie.

He didn't need to do that. Not when it would put him under suspicion AND stop him from receiving any bonuses. He could just guess or assume the one the mod gave him is most likely the partner.

Having a PR you know about (town doesn't know theirs) and knowing who your partner is (without having to worry about them trying to distance from you) are two very effective things to have in this particular setup.

[Majiffy]

Oh my fucking god.

[Majiffy]

Seriously, Wisdom? Seriously?

[Majiffy]

So he would know who his partner is, and what his partner is.

He didn't need to do that. Not when it would put him under suspicion AND stop him from receiving any bonuses. He could just guess or assume the one the mod gave him is most likely the partner.

They actually have a better chance of winning if they learn they are scum and actually kill people.
Which is what was achieved.

HashtagWisdomIsARetard

[Majiffy]

You know what I'd laugh if Who tried to kill himself and succeeded.

But seriously you two need to stop arguing about whose logic is better and just accept that neither of you see the ideal options in the same way.

Vote Wisdom with me, because it's either him or you today.

[Majiffy]

Ergo, it is optimum strategy as scum to not try to figure out if you are scum, and just play as town.

Not really. Killing people helps reaching your wincon if scum. You can't kill people if you don't try.

Town lynches someone every day. As long as you aren't lynched - by playing like town! - you can win without ever making a single kill.

I mean, it's not like setups exist that scum don't have nightkills in or anything. Wonder how scum teams ever win by not killing?

[Majiffy]

It's established that there is a liar among us, why do you not care at all to find who it is?

Because it's

not

established.

If Om submitted the kill, there could be

no

liar.

[Majiffy]

You stupid fucking twit.

[Majiffy]

Oh, that was directed towards Om.

Well, I suppose from HIS perspective there would have to be a liar, otherwise he would admit to being scum.

But Wisdom, you so dummy.

[Majiffy]

You are trying to argue that Om is more likely scum than anyone else - so why are you trying to lynch me over Om?

Because you're a gigantic fucking hindrance and I firmly believe in the power of a good policy lynch.

And there's always the possibility that you're still scum on top of it all.

[Majiffy]

Adddasfsfh

Pick a fucking side of the argument Wisdom. You have now supported both sides of the scum reading/not reading their role PMs.

[Majiffy]

Adddasfsfh

Pick a fucking side of the argument Wisdom. You have now supported both sides of the scum reading/not reading their role PMs.

Nope. My stance is that they wouldn't read it and just try and kill someone. Which is why I don't think it's Om.

And what if Om picked up his role PM and

was

scum? I mean, we already know he picked up his role PM. So there's that part. And he wouldn't know his alignment either way before picking it up, so you can't argue that picking up the PM is alignment-indicative...

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

[Majiffy]

@Mod What happens if two scum submit two different night kills? How do you determine prevalence?

[Majiffy]

@Mod What happens if two scum submit two different night kills? How do you determine prevalence?

Turns out, it helps to put the closing part of a format tag in.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, once again. My argument is that I think Om would NOT pick up his pm if he suspected he is scum. And not just Om. Anyone who suspected they are scum would not pick up their pm. They would try to shoot someone. Picking up the pm has TWO negative things happening - 1) Stop bonuses coming and 2) Making them be the center of attention and draw everyone's suspicion.

But what if he picked up his PM and

WAS SCUM ANYWAY?

Why do you ignore this possibility?

[Majiffy]

Also I've given arguments for why picking up the PM if you suspect you are scum can be considered a good move despite the end of bonuses.

Picking up the role PM isn't alignment-indicative, so saying that they'll be drawing everyone's suspicion is silly.

[Majiffy]

Ok well whatever you say Wisdom.

I guess if we're just going to argue over opinions there's no point in playing. I'm going to the bar now.

[Majiffy]

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

Is there even an argument for me being the killer?

We (ETL and I) don't think it's likely scum was just blindly shooting instead of playing pro-town, which means scum probably knew they were scum before the night ended. Which would leave just you, having picked up your role PM.

Do you disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he did that? Would anyone care about him had he not read his role PM?

I do disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he picked up his role PM. I think the reason everyone's attention is on him is because of his lack of a night action, his Neighbor claim which is not alignment indicative either way, and the happening of a night kill on a dead vig.

[Majiffy]

For example; had there been no kill, and he had claimed something like gunsmith, he probably wouldn't have anyone looking at him.

[Majiffy]

I'm just mad that nobody is crediting me for correctly predicting the fact that potentially fatal night actions would be used against me (which is why I read my role PM in the first place).

I don't understand your circular logic.

Night actions point to the person who knew their alignment -> I picked up my role PM to stop night actions from pointing at me

??

[Majiffy]

You don't think it's likely but Jingle did exactly the same thing except they weren't successful.

Unlikely =/= Impossible
Also, we don't know for certain if Jingle was or was not successful, frankly.

PEDIT: No I didn't want to die without having used a potentially good PR that may have been in my posession. I didn't want to take a shot in the dark and end up failing big time, I wanted to know for sure what I was so that I could use it to the best of my ability before I died.

How does that have anything to do with "fatal night actions" pointing at you, and how was picking up your role PM supposed to counteract that?

I do disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he picked up his role PM. I think the reason everyone's attention is on him is because of his lack of a night action, his Neighbor claim which is not alignment indicative either way, and the happening of a night kill on a dead vig.

Would he claim neighbor/no action had he not read his role PM?

...No? Why would he?

You're trailing close to pulling a very fallacious argument.

Scumhunting is about finding the differences in people's play. While everyone may have a different playstyle, the difference is motivation. In this setup, we don't have that. You can't argue about a person's motivation until after they have the opportunity to even have that motivation.

The person with motivation is the one who shot successfully.

Om, for you to say that you think I am lying "because gut" is as bad as if I tried to lynch you yesterday "because gut". I didn't because there was no other evidence to support my gut. Today, we have evidence and I believe it fits you.

There is another way to scumhunt in this game but I think we shot ourselves in the foot by claiming all our town prob. %'s as far as doing it that way.

Just as if two different members submitted two different kills in a QT, the latter action will be the one that is given prevalence.

Danke.

Thank you for assuming I'm stupid though.

... But you are.

Observe;

Town wins by lynching scum. If all townies could avoid being lynched by way of being obvtown, town would automatically win in this setup.
Because of this, it makes the most sense for a townie to play as obvtown as possible.
Ergo, playing in a pro-town fashion is the best way for a town-aligned player in this setup to achieve their wincon.

Scum wins by outnumbering town. If all scum can avoid being lynched by way of appearing obvtown, scum would automatically win in this setup.
Because of this, it makes the most sense for a scum to play as obvtown as possible.
Ergo, playing in a pro-town fashion is the best way for a scum-aligned player in this setup to achieve their wincon.

As we have the same conclusion regardless of alignment, we now know that optimum strategy is not alignment-dependent and as such, determining your alignment is relatively unimportant towards achieving your wincon.

As such, it is not necessary to check your role PM as either alignment and still manage to pull off a win.

The reason scumkills are more threatening than lynches are because they're directed. With Om the only one who knows his alignment, there are decent odds that scum-actions aren't directed.

Explain. I don't see any evidence or logic to support this.

[Majiffy]

Unless it is Om, those kills will be basically random, thus have a decent shot at hitting their scumbuddy. I'm fine with that, as it is almost as likely to hit scum as a lynch right now. The wrinkle in this plan is other people looking at their roles. If I had been more sure of my towniness, I would have put this forward yesterday.

That's a big "unless".

[Majiffy]

Also, according to mechanics SSK just confirmed, you could still be scum, as long as your scumbuddy submitted the kill choice

after

you submitted your kill action on whomever it was.

[Majiffy]

There's also a number of other possibilities that prevent the "can I submit a kill?" action to being accurate proof of alignment in this setup.

Not really worth getting into them all, unless you've got severe brain trauma and can't work them out on your own.

Sooo yeah.

[Majiffy]

So as per usual, we're back to Majiffy being right and you should help me policy lynch Wisdom.

[Majiffy]

...No? Why would he?

Therefore you agree that his reading his role PM is what resulted in the attention he got.

fallacious argument.

You shouldn't call jingle stupid though ... or anyone really >:(

He is my favorite newbie; don't call him stupid.

I'm going to continue calling stupid, stupid. It usually gets stupid's attention, and sometimes stupid becomes less stupid because of it.

[Majiffy]

Oh good I'm not the only one who hasn't yet.

[Majiffy]

Caught up.

Wisdom or me, I'd say.

Chortle.

Wisdom's actions ITT is why I wanted him lynched yesterday.
No Lynch was fucking dumb.
Idea to massclaim today is also fucking dumb.

[Majiffy]

I tracked Om last night to see if he'd be the killing role. No result.

Town-aligned neighbor with a one-shot investigate on my neighbor at any time (submitting right after this post).

I can also PM a player and their abilities will be mod-confirmed to me in PM.

[Majiffy]

Read it wrong, I will be told *one* of their abilities.

[Majiffy]

And I submitted Wisdom so we'll see what pops up, now won't we?

[Majiffy]

Care to explain why?

Explain why about what, exactly?

Any thoughts on who I should give my gifts to Jiffy?

No. Fruit Vendors are dumb, and there's nothing alignment-confirming about it. Do what you want.

Results;
Om is town.
Wisdom has a following ability.

Aka nothing of any real value was discerned, except now I know I can talk freely with Om in the QT.

So I'm off to do that.

[Majiffy]

Here we go with yet another dumb no lynch because we didn't lynch yesterday.

VOTE: NL

[Majiffy]

I'm interested as to why Jiffy thinks yesterday's No Lynch was a bad move, but we've kind of committed to that course of action.

Because we should have used our lynch.

On Wisdom.

Also NLs are, typically, dumb by nature.

Majiffy+ucitron is where I'm heading right now sorta.

Why would he role cop you and not him?

I don't know, maybe because Wisdom is my biggest FOS.

Might be a thought.

Herp a fucking derp.

[Majiffy]

Yeah but now that we don't have mislynches I have to change your classification.

[Majiffy]

Om and I are discussing.

We're particularly interested in poking and prodding the Jingleberry.

[Majiffy]

I'm not sure that's quite how it works.

[Majiffy]

I feel that someone who was scum would be less likely to read through all plans and weigh the consequences than someone who was unsure.

Your feels are wrong.

(I didn't read shit)

Anything you want to ask me, Jiffy? This poking and prodding session of yours is really boring.

Om isn't online as far as I can tell, so no, not yet.

[Majiffy]

Yes, he did, actually.

Om, QT.

[Majiffy]

If I was scum, I would have just claimed a guilty report (tracker, or alignment cop) on Om by now and won by mislynch.

But that's probably beyond you.

[Majiffy]

What are we doing now? Twiddling thumbs?

[Majiffy]

Apparently the neighborhood is very silent.

Last post was on the 26th.

[Majiffy]

Om and I are in agreeance that it's probably Nati and Ucitron.

[Majiffy]

Nati I'm in accordance with. Is uci POE? Cause I haven't ruled out Wisdom.

Nati for a visible lack of scumhunting drive/direction since reading his role PM.
Uci for having so many bulletproof bonuses with confirmed dead town vig and town commuter.

[Majiffy]

What are your reasons for thinking I'm scum, Nati?
What are your reasons for thinking Ucitron is scum?

[Majiffy]

Yeah we can start by lynching Nati.

[Majiffy]

Downthrowing activated.

[Majiffy]

Prods on New Years? How unheard of.

If we're not NLing my vote is moving immediately to Nati fyi.

[Majiffy]

Probably because he doesn't think he can push my lynch through.

[Majiffy]

Ok, why is majiffy scum again?

He doesn't know.

[Majiffy]

(He's falling back on what he thinks sounds good because he doesn't actually have any genuine reasons for his read)

(Pssst, don't let town know or they might lynch him and then find his buddy)

[Majiffy]

Righteo boss, righteo.

Can we lynch Nati now or are we doing this NL thing?

[Majiffy]

Nati for a visible lack of scumhunting drive/direction since reading his role PM.

Your reason for him being scum is actually worse than his one for you.

Uh... Why for?

Is it that you disagree with the statement, or that you disagree that it is alignment-indicative?

[Majiffy]

But the problem is the marked switch in his play before and after, which I believe is

distinctly

alignment-indicative.

In his ISO you'll note he was pushing and leading a lot of this game, and then as soon as he read his role PM (a PR, mind you, which should increase this behavior) he suddenly switched to sitting back and just going "lol what do you think, wisdom?"

[Majiffy]

If were going about this logically, we should lynch starting with jiffy, then me, then down.

I don't think Wake could fake miller with the timestamps the way they were. For all his wackiness, I don't think he can play Speed Chess like that.

Om, why did you read your role PM last night?

Hmm I think this is between Om and jiffy for me. If we lynch jiffy, barring a mass opening we should lynch me tomorrow.

Om's number is the sketchiest, IMO, but I dunno. I find it a possibility he opened his role PM last night because he had a low number and wanted to know what to do.

If you're going after jiffy wisdom, just say its because he has the lowest %.

He does a lot of pushing and active scumhunting.
All of this attitude disappears after he reads his role PM.

[Majiffy]

His neighborhood thing makes no sense and is a sloppy attempt to make a weak argument appear stronger by throwing bullshit possibilities and hoping one will stick with you.

There has been no legitimate attempt at scumhunting since he read his role PM.

[Majiffy]

Those aren't scumhunting and pushing, those are soft attempts to discredit me and test the waters on my lynch.

[Majiffy]

There has been no legitimate attempt at scumhunting since he read his role PM.

There has been no attempt at scumhunting by Om, you or uctriton either. I guess you are all scum.

You are hands-down a fucking moron.

[Majiffy]

I've been known, from time to time, to nail both members of a scumteam in a game this small on D1.

[Majiffy]

Wisdom, this is the shit that makes me want to policy lynch you in games. You're a fucking retard when you get to endgame and it always ends in you fucking town in the ass.

[Majiffy]

If you're going to be a blind tard then be a blind tard, I'm done talking to you.

[Majiffy]

Whatever you say, Wisdom.

[Majiffy]

Go die in a fire, moron.

[Majiffy]

Idk, been a while since I've been town in a game this small.

But yeah, I'm pretty confident in my endgame choices.

[Majiffy]

I think it's pretty clear, Om. Majiffy is scum tunneling on Nati and doesn't get paranoid that I might be scum anymore, like he would as town.

I think it's pretty clear, Wisdom.

You're a retard.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Nati

Since apparently this is a thing.

[Majiffy]

My whole case against me appears to be...I lurked?

Lol

Can we just lynch this already?

[Majiffy]

Da da bada da.

[Majiffy]

Or we could just lynch Nati and then we'd have a bit of an overwhelming majority going into the next dayphase.

[Majiffy]

I also got no results, which confuses the shit out of me, considering I never submitted anything as far as I can remember.

[Majiffy]

I see no way other than insane human error that lets this game end in a scumwin.

Guessing this is a typo.

Anyway, I'm inclined to start with Wisdom, but I want to talk to Om in the QT a bit first.

[Majiffy]

Ohmylanta.

[Majiffy]

Even if Majiffy and Om's apathy made me paranoid yesterday, I am very happy with myself for figuring it's uctriton when I did.

Yeah it was a real tough call, what with the Nati-scumflip leaving it pretty much between you two.

[Majiffy]

Ah, right, the beginning of D2. That's where you were calling me scum for watching Om instead of trying to uselessly cop people.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Yep. Good game.

VOTE: Uci

[Majiffy]

Honestly I agree with Wisdom. I don't think Jingle was too heavily of the opinion Nati was going to flip scum like we were.

[Majiffy]

Or will you never believe anyone because it goes against your own belief?

Wisdom doesn't believe anyone until he has hammered his interrogation home to the point where he has no doubt one way or the other.

You know, Wisdom and I should hydra sometime and everyone else will replace out by the end of day 1.

[Majiffy]

We could call it "The Gamekiller"

[Majiffy]

You know you like it, Wisdom.

[Majiffy]

Also, Jiffy, if you and wisdom make that hydra and convince mastin to join in on that game, I promise to play and not replace out.

Mastin in-hydra or separate?