Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[TemporalLich]

This is going to be fun as heck.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Dr Worm

My money is on there's no way in hell Vedith is a n0 watcher.

[TemporalLich]

Why are you so sure?

The claim is so forced it looks like a square peg jammed in a round hole. Not only that but the rest of your ISO doesn't fit.

You believe Overkill?

I'm inclined to believe it especially after Vedith's outrageous roleclaim.

[TemporalLich]

I take it you don't necessarily believe Overkill's claim? If you don't think it's a legitimate claim, do you believe that he is scum or just trolling town?

I think Overkill is town trying to be funny.

[TemporalLich]

That wasn't intended to undermine the fact I am inclined to believe Overkill's claim, even without the claim I still think Overkill is trying to be funny.

[TemporalLich]

you voted with me wtf

That's because I'm inclined to believe your claim.

[TemporalLich]

you voted with me wtf

That's because I'm inclined to believe your claim.

but you said that you thought I was town trying to be funny.

I do though, you could be a town n0 cop trying to be funny, there's nothing that says that isn't possible.

[TemporalLich]

How did

You believe Overkill?

I'm inclined to believe it especially after Vedith's outrageous roleclaim.

become

I take it you don't necessarily believe Overkill's claim? If you don't think it's a legitimate claim, do you believe that he is scum or just trolling town?

I think Overkill is town trying to be funny.

?

I forgot a regardless. I'm getting off the lolwagon regardless because the new posts from Overkill don't really support Overkill's claim.

VOTE: Vedith

[TemporalLich]

Hi RCE, I'm TemporalLich.

Time will eventually end.

[TemporalLich]

Yeah I don't really trust demonlord, you can't snipe towncred.

Vedith... I still think he is scum. I can't get over the fact his ISO looks fake. Also D1 No Lynch isn't a strategy.

Almost50 townreads himself?! What a LAMIST. Currently he's NAI with a side of fries.

Dr Worm is a nuclear LAMIST.

rong wordage for this early in the game. Vedith's roleclaim being 'outrageous' in particular. Are you sure night 0 mechanics don't exist? No I would think not if you believed Overkills claim initially. Do you have information that undermines his claim? That's what Vedith's counterclaim to Overkill would have meant.

What made Overkills claim better? Or more believable rather.

For the record I wouldn't believe either claim but that's not the point.

Vedith's claim of n0 Watcher looks like it was made up on the spot to discredit Overkill's n0 Cop claim. Not only am I not inclined to believe Vedith, I think Vedith is scum trying to paint Overkill in a bad light. Overkill would be a viable wagon if Vedith's roleclaim turns out to be true.

[TemporalLich]

Hmmm.. was gonna declare Creature Town, except I realized (while typing) it was

TemporalLich

doing these posts.

I hate to break it but I don't trust Creature right now.

Also I notice that subtle shade of me.

[TemporalLich]

Some questions I feel the need to ask:

@Almost50: Why are you acting scummy on purpose?

@Creature: What even is a gimmick?

@Dr Worm: Why should I believe you're town if your entire ISO is basically "la la I'm town" and "I'm town coach and I'm looking for a VT"?

@0verki11: Why is Creature conf town to you?

Also pignash is starting to look a lot like town. Creature I lean town. 0verki11 is still a townread.

[TemporalLich]

What is scummy in my behavior?
Also, you might want to do a search on AP (my alt. It has Austin Powers for an avatar, and I feel like mimicking AP's meta until the game starts rolling)

dude you responded to a townread of you with "fooled ya" and there's also 95.

Honestly it seems like you have no idea what team you're playing, and while this is NAI, this doesn't help the town.

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Oh. I'll have you know that I know Creature, REC the best out of this player list, and I know they know me too, so I can joke with them both.

I also know Vedith, Overkill and volxen (somewhat). teacher I only played once and he modded me once so I can't say I "know" him, but he also will understand.

I now see how this maybe confusing you so I'll stop. Sorry.

Alright thanks for the explanation.

I guess you're now a TR.

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also temporal, you are so scummy right now. you might get farther if you don't post instead of trying in a futile attempt

Are you actually trying to pressure me into not posting and thus looking scummy?

You're only trying to get me lynched because you know it will benefit you and your buddies.

Even if you were town, that post is still anti-town.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

[TemporalLich]

sorry my sarcasm wasn't clear, but i was ridiculing the fact that your posts are shit and and a lot of others are already scum reading you and rightfully so

just wanted a friendly reminder in a humorous way to think before you post a bit, lol sorry if it offended u

Denying information to the town is never a good thing. Whether it be No Lynch D1 or trying to pressure people into not posting.

[TemporalLich]

you are a werewolf and you know it

[TemporalLich]

Dr Worm, if you want people to believe you're town, start providing information or at least ask questions instead of trying to out the VTs.

just lynch Lich for freelo wtf

You're starting to look scummy with your tunneling tbh.

[TemporalLich]

volxen wagon looks boring now. Where should I move to?

DoubtingThomas is the wagon I'd ideally want hammered, though I'm not against a A50 or 0verki11 lynch.

Why is DT defending Lich again?

Do you think DT is using the chainsaw defense on me?

MR 49 THAT"S WHY ALL VTs MUST CLAIM!! SCUM WASTES NKs TARGETTING AT VT GROUP TRYING TO GET SUPERVT!! FREES UP OTHER PRs!!

At this point you're scum trying to out the VTs so you can kill the PRs.

Creature clearly didn't seem to believe Overkill's claim, and I was curious if it was because he was scumreading him, or if it was because he thought he was joking around. Of course, being that this is a bastard game, another possibility is that Overkill is a cop but not necessarily a sane cop, so there's that.

Creature seems to think my question was "busy work", I think it was a legitimate question. In any case, I haven't played with scum!Creature before, but I have played with town!Creature before, and in every game we've played together where we were both town, he has always incorrectly scumread me, so it doesn't surprise me that it would happen here again. So far he seems towny in this game.

No I'm not V/LA on weekends as a rule.

Yeah I would agree Creature is towny.

we are outing all non VTs then?????

No we are not, this just gives scum a perfect game plan.

Do you think Dr Worm is town?

[TemporalLich]

yes and you still didnt answer my question, what is scummy about Tunneling?

It shows you aren't willing to actually look for scum, and instead want to cause a mislynch.

I don't know how you can still, in good faith, believe Dr Worm is town.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Dr Worm
im a n0 cop, targeted the Worm and hes red.

2. Because hes my N0 green, also its obvious that he wouldnt be this dumb as scum.

VOTE: 0verki11

Can't even keep your own "facts" straight.

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I've reread this thread trying to look for a possible scumbuddy to DT, oh boy DT looks scummy as heck. DT seems to be tunneling Almost50 even. I hate to say this but DT is a net loss for the town. If DT flips red Creature is likely red.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

0verki11 is still a decent enough wagon, a red 0verki11 likely means a red Dr Worm and could potentially implicate a red pignash.

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I'm seeing a wagon on demonlord, gonna see if it's a good wagon since I don't exactly TR demonlord (mostly for lurking).

Demonlord's ISO mostly looks like reactions. Red demonlord implicates red 0verki11 (see 175 and 189)

Almost50, overkill, Teacher, Creature would be a strong town block, lean on lich. Worm doesn't matter, no one touches Volxen today though I suspect he could be scum.

Roster, Vedith, dt are all meh slots and demon is obvscum.

Here's the main catalyst for demonlord's lolwagon.

@RCEnigma: Any reasoning for demonlord's strong scumread? I see 296 and agree but would want some reasoning.

Woah, woah, woah! That changed fast! Against me! I feel that this just a scum lynch. Lynching the underdog.

Are you scum or are your voters scum? I can't tell from your phrasing. Either way you look scummy.

...what just happened here?

Who knows? demonlord seems to have responded to its own question that wasn't even directed at it.

@demonlord: Why are you answering your own questions?






Summary: demonlord is a viable lynch. Even Dr Worm's on the demonlord wagon (if maybe only because of Vedith). I'd still personally lynch DT, though DT is starting to town it up so my vote may shift to demonlord either way.

[TemporalLich]

also temporal, you are so scummy right now. you might get farther if you don't post instead of trying in a futile attempt

This comes from town.

That's not even possible.

Congrats, you're a DT associative.

[TemporalLich]

its possible you fool

Wow you are not trying to hide a DT/RF scumteam.

[TemporalLich]

it is useful.. now you have one less slot to solve yw

If you're so confident you're town then fine... I'll entertain your notion for now (read: you're still scummy and lamist AF).

VOTE: 0verki11

[TemporalLich]

TemporalLich explain to me why you're voting 0verki11? And why did you knock back his offer to thunderdome?

Haven't read up yet but I want your perspective for context when I do.

0verki11 is obviously tunneling me, saying things like "ez found scum".

Read 171, 191, 229, 243, 266, 343, 391, and 415.

[TemporalLich]

266 is me explaining my read lmao, and why is me tunneling you scummy to begin with?

Tunneling is scummy because it distracts from actual information (and thus hinders town). 492 shows a willingness to town it up though, so you've moved up the list.

5- TL also needs to stop the OMGUS. Instead, show us why you shouldn't be voted, or -at least- give us a real case other than "He's tunneling me so I'm returning the favour. That ain't gonna fly further than your own nose.

P.S. I still maintain that OK vs TL us very likely TvT, with the caveat that I don't even know TL and don't claim to be an expert on OK's meta.

Yeah TL vs OK is clearly fruitless. There is a chance that Rabbi Vole gets green checked by a successful Dr Worm coaching, but for now Vole is a wagon worth wagoning. I agree it's probably TvT, Overkill actually is towning it up for once.

VOTE: Rabbi Vole

May post a readlist soon.

[TemporalLich]

Definitely post a readlist, or at least your scumreads and strong townreads please. I want to hear more about what you found towny from 0verki11 since your vote as well.

Okay I'll need to read the thread for a full list though.

492 and 493 are towny because it's info on reads and not just "omg lich is scum"

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist:

[Town]

RCEnigma

Almost50

teacher

Vedith

Creature

pignash

0verki11

Rabbi Vole

volxen

rosterfoster

Dr Worm

DoubtingThomas

[Scum]

RCEnigma - The hero we need and deserve. An info goldmine and team player.

Almost50 - Despite jokingly being scum, is very good at making content.

teacher - Coldly logical and good at info, low activity.

Vedith - Towns it up despite incredibly convenient and scummy roleclaim.

Creature - Middle of the road townie according to ISO.

pignash - ISO is dry of info, but acts towny

0verki11 - Scummy AF... until RCE said the interaction with me is TvT and I found info by 0verki11.

Rabbi Vole - Seemingly towny I guess.

volxen - Lurker

rosterfoster - Please try to seem like a team player.

Dr Worm - All talk, no action. Want to see a coaching on Vole.

DoubtingThomas - Scummy AF. Unlike 0verki11 I don't believe DT could be towny.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

[TemporalLich]

TemporalLich talk to me

At what point did you realise 0verki11 was town and not evil scum pushing your mislynch? Quote from his ISO and show me where he towns it up in your opinion?

Also what made you vote me here?

I voted you because your slot seemed scummy AF and you were still an uncontested wagon (sorry). The reading I needed to do for my readlist made me see some towny in you.

0berki11 buddy focus on someone else for a little? Lich's vote on you makes it pretty obvious he's not gonna thunderdome you.

What do you think of Vedith and DT?

Nullish/in POE and Town

Where 0verki11 starts towning it up by providing reads instead of just tunneling me.

[TemporalLich]

He has Vedith who you townread in his POE and townreads DT who is your strongest scumread - obviously your views of the gamestate are going to be fairly different but do you buy that those reads are legit?

yeah... DT is scum and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Here's 0verki11's readlist according to the ISO.

Double Town

: teacher

Town

: Creature, Dr Worm, Rabbi Vole

Probtown

: RCEnigma, DoubtingThomas, rosterfoster
POE: Vedith

Scum

: TemporalLich

Yeah this seems somewhat survivalistic.

[TemporalLich]

Lichy sell me on DT as scum?
If you could vig 0verki11 right now would you do it? I'm kinda craving some decisiveness in your read on him.

I would dayvig DT right this second if I could.

I would not vig 0verki11 right now, but if 0verki11 keeps acting scummy I would consider 0verki11 as a vig target (I still think TL/OK is TvT so I'm not vigging town if I can help it).

Why DT is scum and can't be cleared even with a green check from someone who flipped Full Cop (investigates for role name and alignment i.e. would know if you're a mafia godfather or townie):

111 - Scummy entry pocketing Creature

137 - Trying to pressure me into not posting

143 - Toxic much?

147 - Scummy reaction tbh

155 - DT you do realize both situations are scummy right?

159 - Hostility to everyone is not how teamwork works

160 - This might actually be WotCable

163 - I think this gave more weight to "DT is scum"

230 - Chainsaw defense

236 - Oh god the salt

239 - How is that not obvious disrespect?!

292 - More shading of me

389 - Pocketing RF

421 - LAMIST

[TemporalLich]

Being toxic, 'disrespectful', 'salty', 'hostility', 'being wotcable' are non-scum points.

He is calling out random posts 'scummy' but isn't explaining why it's scummy, it is all level 0 nonsense. Feels like he fucking rng'ed my posts to call some posts scummy and point out that some posts are aggressive, but not necessary, scummy, in an attempt to make me look scummy. but oh boy this whole fucking case has literally 0 substance and if you don't see it, you are actually scum.

They are scum points because you're not acting towny by making the town think you don't want to cooperate. They're certainly negative charisma points either way.

temporal lich is the lynch today, 100% of the time. sorry guys. this is ltierally a village idiot just screaming DT DT DT entire day phase while spamming thread with random garbage

VOTE: temporallich

Nice fake vote. Also you're scum and you know it. Calling me names is only going to make you scummier.

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Which of those posts do you think actually probably come from scum? Allowing it's scum's job to get mislynched and not get lynched vs. town's job is to expose and lynch scum - what's he actually doing to push a scum wincon? I get that DT's playstyle is a little unconventional by MafiaScum standards but I'm not sure I get what makes you think he's advancing a mafia aligned win condition? I feel like you just don't like him

I'm still pretty null on DT. I'm a bit surprised you have such an intense read on him

Posts that can't possibly come from town: 155, 163, 236, 421, 563

DT's tunneling me and A50, turning off the town, having unconventional reads and not explaining them (*cough* rosterfoster *cough*), pocketing Creature, saying DT's NAI and then town, and being a wrench in all of the town's efforts.

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Literally none of those posts are wolfy imo. Talk me through the scum thought process you're seeing there? What's he doing to achieve his wincon (mislynching townies and stopping us from lynching him and his buddies)?

Trying to get people to stop posting is obviously going to make them low hanging fruit and thus easy mislynches. Tunneling them tears through any attempt at actually trying to find scum, and the hostility only adds salt to the wound. DT is parading "I'm town" to try to make confused townies lynch someone else or not agree on a lynch.

If either me, A50, or RCE (townlocked by me) is the nightkill, DT is most likely the reason why.

Tell me how DT is town in your eyes and maybe I'll spare him the D1 lynch.

[TemporalLich]

Dr Worm this play sucks fuck you.
Also Pignash is fine if nonone wants to vote Lich

If Pignash is inactive scum to you I'd like to see your thoughts.

[TemporalLich]

this is the second? or third? person saying they don't understand lich vote.

i've learned from a good town player that people who come into the thread and ask why the top wagon is being wagoned means scums tmi'ing a town top wagon and hoping to make themselves look townier once the town wagoned player flips.

VOTE: teacher

mother of god this post is towny... what?

There's now a chance of town!DT, especially considering my scum points on you aren't terribly strong according to you, but I can't overlook the negative charisma.

Another reason for town!DT: ISO is now questioning instead of tunneling and other stuff

DR WORM"S HEART says TREACHER and RCENGINE are BAD!!

Dr Worm finally gives reads for once... (Dr Worm also calls me NAI on 639).

No new developments on RF means RF is now bottom read since he's still an uncontested scumread.

VOTE: rosterfoster

[TemporalLich]

GETTTING CLOSER!!

Don't brother trying your fairy magic on me

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist 2:

[Town]

Rabbi Vole

(

confirmed town

, see 671 and 683)

RCEnigma

teacher

Almost50

Vedith

pignash

(counting his Informed Townie or Mason claim with Rabbi Vole as true)

--Green Line--

Creature

volxen

(zeroing out reads for safety reasons)

Dr Worm

(I'd rather see a coaching than a lynching. Especially considering a successful coaching is a 100% clear)

0verki11

--Red Line--

DoubtingThomas

(starting to act towny)

rosterfoster

[Scum]

I refuse to vote above the green line.

I am confident lynching below the red line.

In between, voting is fair game but I'm not confident in their lynch.

[TemporalLich]

How can you read TL's posts and not think he's scum? Also TL, how can you be confident about lynching DT but say he's starting to arc townie?

maybe because he's still very scummy and a good rosterfoster associative?

Still need more towniness from DT before he goes above the red line.

Also need some reads from DT.

[TemporalLich]

First cycle passed with two

green

flips.

volxen

flipped VT so I'm pretty sure Dr Worm lost his ticket to freedom. Unless of course there is more than 1 VT or flip tampering exists.

volxen

didn't seem to have many reads but I get the feeling he leaned scum for A50 and Vole, and leaned town for Creature.

volxen

's lolhammer is very NAI leaning scum, to the point where I have to drop A50 some places on the readlist. I mean come on it just screams low blow.

And the reasoning provided is this:

You know what? PHUKIT!

VOTE: volxen

A replacement is no more needed. You should all be grateful.

Basically "I lolhammered because I don't want to wait for a replacement".

Speaking of

RCEnigma

, I think his readlist looked like this:

Probtown

: Overkill, teacher, Creature

Leantown

: Lich

Neutral

: Vedith, Dr Worm

Neutral-leanscum

: DT, roster

Leanscum

: Volxen

Possible deepwolf

: A50

"Best Friends" Scumread

: pignash

Scum

: Vole

And I think this vote might be worthy

VOTE: Almost50

[TemporalLich]

@TL: First, we're voting roster, whom you ended the day voting. Are you still SRing him? If not, why?
Second, it gets to me that many new players are treating me as if I was a noob myself. Didn't I know how scummy my hammer would look if volxen flipped town? Hell, even if he flipped scum someone would have said something like "it was a bus to cut the day short" or something to that effect.

Bottom line, scum me never does that kind of move. I do NOT get lynched as scum (unless I want to, and it serves my team). I am much more careless with hammers as town though, and especially so when I'm SRing the lynchee.

Feel free to keep your vote on me, but let it be known that I'm taking mild offense in the thought I might be scum with hammer AND with the NK. (Knowing RCE that was never a night PR play of his. I would know he was no Cop/Tracker/Watcher/Jailer .. etc.)

Roster is still bottom read. Your careless hammer is NAI leaning scummy, but roster has no cases of value, is tunneling me, and only serves to be a spanner in the town's works, and red RF implicates red DT while red A50.

How you managed to respond to my pressure vote promptly with a towny post vindicates you. Your hammer indeed has the feeling of cutting the day short, and I definitely see a possible scum motivation in the vote (Lolhammering to avoid needing a replacement, with the purpose of denying the town information).

From you, an RCE nightkill would be very shocking indeed since he was seemingly neutral to you.

Yeah even if you had a scummy motivation to lolhammer, RF is still worse for the town.

VOTE: rosterfoster

[TemporalLich]

EBWOP: ... while Red A50 implicates red Creature very tenuously

[TemporalLich]

Frankly I don't see the correlation between DT & roster's alignments here. I was starting to feel better about DT yesterday and the fact that I wasn't the NK made me feel even better about him.

Basically

I was expecting a EBWOP here so sorry for the late response.

I agree that DT is starting to look townier, and I don't think Scum!DT would kill RCE unless there's a reason that's eluding me.

However there's still a tenuous connection between RF and DT.

Rooster probably town

What's your case on Town!RF?

TIMELEACH are you INFROMED??

I'm neither Informed nor Infromed. I'm just making a wild guess this game is role madness.

SLIVER LINING:: I am CONFTOWN if NOBIDY VT COUNTERCLAIMS!! SCUM has to waste NK on NAMED TOWNIE WORM in game with ONLY TOWN PRs!!

Um no that's not how any of this works. Your claim isn't even a clear on yourself. It's merely a claim.

Rooster probably town

???

Yeah I am indeed baffled at the sudden townread of RF.

[TemporalLich]

Whats my connection with RF?

378 and 379 suggest RF trying to make DT look like town.

389 (from DT) suggests either buddying or townblocking.

409 I actually responded to with "Wow you are not trying to hide a DT/RF scumteam." This of course could be townblocking, but given that both you and RF are scummy, I'm going with buddying.

It's a tenuous connection that relies on you or RF flipping red.

[TemporalLich]

What's your case on Town!RF?

I don't have one.
Im most likely right though.

Yeah, I'm going to keep RF as my bottom read for now.

"Im most likely right though." isn't a case.

Can you try to make a case?

If it's just instinct, can you explain it?

[TemporalLich]

I thought you were town reading me now

Also, you think scum teammates will try to so-obviously-buddybuddy in the thread like that?

I'm starting to place you as a NAI-townlean above the red line again.

And obviously no, that seems likely to be scum-town, but I wouldn't discount it being bad SvS (trying to explain why would be a WIFOM goldmine).

I think the way both RF and I were townreading each other almost never comes from w/w

S/S might soon start bussing once there's a scum case on them. RF has a very damning case on him and you still TRed him, so your interaction seems T/S (with you as T obviously) if scum tend to bus.

Lich, I will give you that you are a lot townier now. The problem is, it seems so different from your game d1, i feel like it's more likely to come from a scum trying to up his game after being pushed to possibly be lynched d1. what do you think about that

Without any mechanical analysis my reads and instinct are the best thing I have.

[TemporalLich]

Vedith what the fuck

You sure you aren't a modkill supersaint?

[TemporalLich]

Yeah I'm close to NAIlocking Vedith with his weird reads and claims.

Because he got a red pm

... Did you soft Cop?

I know this is absolutely insane but a Jester Modkill Supersaint Cop is a possible role in possibility.

[TemporalLich]

@Creature: What's your case on Scum!TL?

TL you're probably better off not calling out softs itt

If Vedith is actually an investigative I'll be shocked.

Right now I think he's extremely likely to be 3P (not like 3P investigative isn't a thing).

[TemporalLich]

Okay I've been potentially Dayvigged.

Should I claim now?

[TemporalLich]

All I know is that DT is now a townread (DT seems charismatic now) and I'm shocked

[TemporalLich]

I would not townread DT for charisma alone tbh
he has good charisma control as both alignments

what's got you town on him?

DT/RF interaction is likely SvT with DT as the T, 620 and 676 come from town, and 720 is good info.

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist 3:

[Town]

Almost50

(keeping the town train rolling)

Rabbi Vole

(both green flips SRed you, potential deepwolf but I think claiming Best Friends or Masons as scumbuddies is an obvious blunder)

DoubtingThomas

(Towny player, though your D2 game is abnormally strong from someone who thinks my D1 game is abnormally weak, vindicated by the DT/RF interaction)

--Green Line--

pignash

(Claimed Best Friends or Masons with Vole, but no news is bad news)

Vedith

(NAIread him for memeing, taking out the shitposts he's a good asset to town, even with the shitposts he's still townlean. Pressure voting might be necessary to get a claim that's not a fakeclaim for the sake of memeing though)

Creature

(Townread by both the first cycle green flips, so townreading him more, but flailing and bad casing drops his read somewhat. Neutral-townlean)

teacher

(Starting to weird me out, cop claimer)

Dr Worm

(YOUR POSTS are NOT UNDERGRANDABLE!!)

0verki11

(No news is bad news, a readlist is nice though)

--Red Line--

rosterfoster

(DT/RF interaction makes you look even scummier, RF)

[Scum]

I refuse to vote above the green line.

I am confident lynching below the red line.

In between, voting is fair game but I'm not confident in their lynch.

[TemporalLich]

Should I really trust RF's claim?...

Then again Vedith's reaction implies that Vedith and RF are town and are really the mirror and interrogator, respectively

[TemporalLich]

RF your case against me is still bad.

I hope you know I was townreading teacher and Creature before, though Creature was a weaker TR. I didn't see many scummy things or things worth pressuring over from them.

Dr Worm is probably cray-z but still seemingly having a pure heart. He's still in PoE range though.

0verki11 was a bottom read at one point, but I'm calling town if just a lurker (no news is bad news).

You seem to be so willing to PoE me and then make up reasons to make me look like the big scumbo.

I'll entertain your notion your claim is true though and this means I have to start PoEing now.

Assuming that Vole and pignash aren't Mason-claiming scums, teacher is actually a cop, I'm not willing to vote A50 or DT regardless right now, and your claim is true (making Vedith look town); that leaves 0verki11, Dr Worm, and Creature as the PoEs.

0verki11 is possibly town but very low activity.

Dr Worm is just strange.

Creature on the other hand is the seemingly towninest of the 3 PoEs, but those ???s, weird reads, treating me as a default vote, and the ISO being weird means deepwolf.

VOTE: Creature

[TemporalLich]

I'm hesitant to get on the massclaim bandwagon.

[TemporalLich]

Then again, with all the other claims out there, is claiming really gonna make me not see the light of the next day?

[TemporalLich]

@TL: basically the game turned into a mechanical solution route, so I think it better if you claim too. I just want all claims done with no one @L-1 to avoid scum quick hammers

Alright, if you insist.

I'm a Town Medium, and this means I can talk to the Townies that have died during the night.

[TemporalLich]

Volxen has said nothing so far.

[TemporalLich]

I'm only able to talk to the dead Townies at night.

[TemporalLich]

Neither me nor Volxen mentioned Creature.

I'm okay with a Creature lynch if it seems the game won't advance or if 0verki11 and DoubtingThomas make claims that don't look scummy. However 0verki11 is most likely scum so I might vote 0verki11 instead, but I prefer 0verki11 being the D3 lynch.

Massclaim Ledger:

Dr Worm - Coach (in PoE)
teacher - Rookie Cop / Amnesiac Cop
Vedith - Mirror (possible PoE)
rosterfoster - Interrogator
Almost50 - Cop (1168 seems important)
TemporalLich - Medium
Creature - Schizophrenic (in PoE)
Rabbi Vole - Puppeteer
pignash - Puppet
0verki11 -

Unclaimed

(in PoE)
DoubtingThomas -

Unclaimed

(in PoE)

Pedit: Yeah that is weird how pignash supported Rabbi's "effectively Masons" claim if pignash doesn't even know what team he's playing for. I could PoE, but as you said a lynch would be useless. I think getting teacher's target would nice especially if it's one of the PoEs.

@Almost50: What's your reasoning for unvoting Creature beyond "I want to lynch Rabbi Vole or pignash". Personally I'd lynch Vole if I were forced to pick from that pair, but mostly because the information gained is useful instead of useless.

[TemporalLich]

Volxen has said nothing so far.

Oddly this makes me believe your claim solidly.

How is Vedith in your PoE?

How is Vole not? With the swing and bastardization, I could see 9-4 being a legit thing with a scum puppeteer.

Yeah I neglected to not PoE Vedith since my impetus to re-PoE Vedith was 1136.

The preview edit (not post edit this time, also not sure if that counts as a preview edit) on my post 1259 states that I would PoE pignash, but am not willing to lynch pignash. Then I'd said I'd lynch Vole over pignash. I am willing to PoE Vole if no further developments come or if there's another case for scummy Vole and pignash.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: 0verki11

Doctor claim(1264) is very suspicious, though 0verki11's claim is Tough Guy (1291).

If there's a 4p scumteam, I'd guess Rabbi Vole/pignash/Creature/0verki11

And the votes on the Rabbi Vole/pignash duo should be on Rabbi Vole.

[TemporalLich]

did you actually just hammer me?

Yes, that was the hammer

wtf I thought that was L-1

[TemporalLich]

Turns out it's neither hammer nor L-1, which is what I had assumed from the VC

[TemporalLich]

The fact that 0verki11 and Creature decided to make me think I lolhammered 0verki11 should be enough evidence to consider both 0verki11 and Creature scumbos.

[TemporalLich]

The fact that 0verki11 and Creature decided to make me think I lolhammered 0verki11 should be enough evidence to consider both 0verki11 and Creature scumbos.

What would be the point?

You both seemingly are trying to make the town look bad, yet somehow I think you two know things considering my vote on 0verki11 is L-2 and you said it was the hammer

[TemporalLich]

Still don't understand how it even makes anyone bad specially if we find out it wasn't hammer?

Lolhammering is a pretty major mark against someone, to the point they're likely next day's lynch.

Lying about these things is also a major mark against someone. And the unreal coordination seems too good to be true.

[TemporalLich]

yeah pretty much

[TemporalLich]

Yeah uh... I'm pretty sure Vole is scum and the reaction doesn't help.

And 1392 is very suspicious.

VOTE: Rabbi Vole

L-1

[TemporalLich]

Whos confirmed town?

definitely not rabbi nor pignash

[TemporalLich]

RCEnigma wanted me to point out this soft he made to Vedith.

I'm n0 watcher and no one visited Worm.

Lol.

Shadow in the night, Vedith the voyeur. Kinda hot.

Also 0verki11 should be an alright lynch.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Creature

Gonna have to agree with StefanB's PoE, though my PoE contains him and 0verki11 still.

[TemporalLich]

No mentions of Creature from me or the dead townies during N2

@Rosterfoster: teacher, the one who wanted to get off L-1, has now intented

[TemporalLich]

How many N1 lich? I’m assuming 0 Bc volxen didn’t talk but wanted to check.

Zero

[TemporalLich]

I'd be pretty safe in assuming both 0verki11 and Creature are scum.

Though 0verki11 is easily the scummier of the two. As everyone has pointed out, 0verki11 is scummy AF with no semblance of being towny.

VOTE: 0verki11

[TemporalLich]

It's Day 4, and the dead townies didn't have much to say. There were no mentions of Creature.

I asked 0verki11 for dying words - there were none.

Despite 0verki11 flipping green, my action plan remains unchanged.

VOTE: Creature

[TemporalLich]

Did you communicate with Almost50?

Not much, he said he got a green on presumably 0verki11 but that's about it.

[TemporalLich]

Why are we not no lynching?
Rooster Stefan and Creature are town I think.

TL and DT going straight to the voting on Creature...

I'll give you a readlist despite the game pretty much being solved and with the likely scumteam being DT/Creature (they're the PoEs)

No lynching would likely lead to LyLo with you dead.

Creature is the most likely scum, but DT has now fallen to a SR approcaching Creature's scumminess.

[Town]

Vedith

(

confirmed town

)

rosterfoster

(out of PoE since the town interrogator claim seems to be true, towny regardless)

StefanB

(very towny intro, still PoEable. Townlean)

DoubtingThomas

(The successful NK on teacher makes your doc claim a fake claim, likely scum. Acting scummy lately fwiw)

Creature

(just because 0verki11 flipped green doesn't mean you're town, your numbers seem suspicious, likely scum. Acting towny lately fwiw)

[Scum]

Currently willing to vote DT or Creature.

[TemporalLich]

We are no-lynching today.
Normally I let town-PR do what they want exspecially if I trust them, but this time it is an execption.

rosterfoster please target the second person of the two(tecnically three) you asked me as second scumcandidate.

eh okay. Gonna unvote for safety.

UNVOTE:

Not voting No Lynch just yet as that will put No Lynch at L-1, and with two likely scums and you being townlean, I'm not confident voting No Lynch.

[TemporalLich]

I agree with RF's plan to force DT to out his actions.

If it works, advancing to LyLo (I'm the medium, so another night gets me more musings of the dead townies) via No Lynch might be the way to go. It's boring, but it's practical in MyLo.

Regardless, the likely scumteam is Creature/DT.

I'm hesitant to vote No Lynch regardless because another night for me to medium isn't worth getting stuck in LyLo.

[TemporalLich]

DoubtingThomas (The successful NK on teacher makes your doc claim a fake claim, likely scum. Acting scummy lately fwiw)

Or it means I healed teacher last night and couldn't heal him again so I wanted to keep who I healed low key

Okay so you healed teacher N2. What about N1 and N3?

[TemporalLich]

Yeah maybe we just lynch DT here.

yeah if we have a potential scum that can vig people (by healing twice) we're screwed.

[TemporalLich]

Intent to hammer

[TemporalLich]

If no new developments happen (want to see DoubtingThomas's N1 and N3 targets mostly), the hammer drops.

[TemporalLich]

Woah wtf

Why didn't Lich point that RCEnigma mentioned N1?

He mentioned you on D2, not N1.