Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[Rick Dalton]

That’s actually the main reason why you’re scum here.

I’m literally able to become confirmed town after tonight and you’re pushing me after the way that got brought up immediately after.

[Rick Dalton]

Like, your biggest push on me is that I should have no confidence in something that the Mod literally told me was true.

[Rick Dalton]

You act like I’m “assuming” there are ninjas when I straight up know, because it’s part of my role that tells me.

Do you not know what Informed means?

[Rick Dalton]

I’m also the most consistent scum player on site where I’m known for having everything line up perfectly and never having anything that doesn’t add up, so that push is terrible too.

There’s also zero scum flipped in this game on whatever day this is we’re on, which means if I were scum, I would have an entire team able to make sure that all the tracks are covered, which proves your crap reasoning incorrect again.

[Rick Dalton]

I literally fake claim in every single game I play in, so your “why would you claim that if you’re actually” is trashed too.

[Rick Dalton]

I also claimed Tracker Day 1.

So literally your entire post is flat out wrong and misrepping.

[Rick Dalton]

Like every single thing you brought up is just straight up incorrect

[Rick Dalton]

You also pushed a “could have” argument, which is shit. You’re right, ScumMe COULD have done it.

TownMe straight up didn’t

[Rick Dalton]

We can have Chickadee check me tonight if you want, and that checks both her and I.

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Why are you avoiding the question?

What do you mean visiting scummy targets.

My role doesn’t do anything except give the tracker

fake stuff

.

Okay, what on Earth is this supposed to mean? Give the tracker "fake stuff"? If you had just said here that you aren't the Tracker and you were only doing this to get a reaction, then okay, I'd be off your case on this, but no, instead, you say this. The only way this is possible is that either you're a Ninja or an Ascetic. Both do not give results to the Tracker when they go visit someone, AKA, "fake stuff". But I think I can take this one step further.

They have Ninja’s dude. There’s probably more trackers even.

The fact that you said this with confidence is rather worrying. And I like to point out another post that brings up Ascetics, and I want you to keep in mind the post number.

I tracked Vault to Ethos. He’s telling the truth.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I also happen to be ascetic. There is no way you could have tracked me

This is the nail. This is the first time an Ascetic is mentioned, but even looking back, the first time a Ninja was mentioned was (get this) DAY 1! I'm not exaggerating, Day 1 is the first time Ninja's have been brought up, without even thinking of the possibility that Ascetics are in the game. Check below for proof.

I’m informed. Scum has a ninja.

All of this leads to one conclusion. With how it was mentioned that Scum has a Ninja on the first day, the fact that this was said with confidence, and the recent post on giving the tracker "fake stuff", I can't see anything else other than this answer.

Rick, you ARE the

Mafia Ninja

.

UNVOTE: Croag

VOTE: Rick Dawson

If you wish to counter this point, I implore you to try.

Literally immediately after I brought up being able to be checked.

[Rick Dalton]

The clutch! The timing!

Something Smart, see that I’m town, and look at PM’s weak reasonings!

[Rick Dalton]

I’m a visitor. It was a mix of “oh, I’ll get to it before the night, and not really caring who i target”.

So it was like subconsciously active of me not acting, but it probably looked like i forgot to send it in.

My role is literally there for false positives.

[Rick Dalton]

being Informed AND having another Power Role is a rather slippery slope. Keep in mind you initially claimed Tracker, which if we are to assume you are, being a Tracker that's informed of Ninjas is basically two investigative things at once.

All this makes anything you say irrelevant, tbh.

Informed is usually with a PR, usually a lot more than just visitor.

Also, i had this claim before, and you pushed Fonz for pushing at me. This is a load of crap.

Something Smart here can confirm that I claim all the time like that as town, and he should be able to see I’m town at this point.

[Rick Dalton]

My problem is the fact that everything here is inconsistent,

Stop being surface level. This is what confirms me as town.

I’m the most consistent scum player on site.

[Rick Dalton]

So I gather that Boon claimed tracker who tracked someone who then claimed ascetic, causing him to backpedal into the visitor claim.

If he thought the claim would be taken seriously, then he's scum. If not, it's NAI.

I backpedaled immediately after VD posted because it was a VD reaction test.

[Rick Dalton]

I don't think you could have reasonably expected that tracker claim to be believed, meaning it was just a dumb Boon gambit and not indicative of your alignment.

This is exactly what i’m saying.

People are acting like it was a hard serious claim, when even you here say that it absolutely shouldn’t have been believed, and that’s the premise of it all

[Rick Dalton]

Guys, I’m just town

[Rick Dalton]

I’ve been on that super obnoxious town game lately.

Vengeful spirits i faked a cop claim guilty on town, and everyone knew it was fake even though I never stopped pushing it the entire game

[Rick Dalton]

The question remains though, if you're informed of a ninja, you must have expected there to be a tracker? Why did you claim tracker knowing that the real one might CC?

Night kill WIFOM.

Lapsa and I seemed to have the right rapport

[Rick Dalton]

To be fair, I thought it was obvious I wasn’t actually a tracker meaning I expected the real tracker to stay quiet, which Lapsa did.

Chickadee replaced in and didn’t have rapport.

Not that i knew Lapsa was Tracker or anything, but Lapsa had me as super high up town, meaning he knew that I was fake claiming for him.

[Rick Dalton]

I also didn’t know there was a tracker, it easily could have been a Watcher.

[Rick Dalton]

Fonz flipping scum could help you deliberate

[Rick Dalton]

I’m still informed, but I’m also an ungated tracker, which is dumb because there’s ninjas, so I’m uninspired.

My Lapsa thing is actually kinda not relevant...:/

I was out of this game earlier. Almost, you’ve rolled Visitor. You know how uninspiring it is.

[Rick Dalton]

Not that i knew Lapsa was Tracker or anything, but Lapsa had me as super high up town, meaning he knew that I was fake claiming for him.

I didn’t know anything for sure.

Lapsa was already talking me up early game. I’ll find a post for it

[Rick Dalton]

Lapsa, why am I town? I like it, don’t get me wrong

This was super early, but we had a moment back then, and it kind of just stayed there.

I didn’t know that he was the PR i was claiming for, though.


Something, just read the game, read me, and you’ll see I’m town.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, people always come at me, but I feel that’s one of my strengths is being able to find high profile target/defendants as either alignment.

I don’t really know how to explain how I knew, because I didn’t for sure know, but I had a feeling and a connection with Lapsa in some way.

Kind of similar to how I catch you out when you’re scum. I just kinda know

[Rick Dalton]

Why would I expect a real counterclaim when I thought it was obvious I was fake claiming?

Why would I ever true claim there

[Rick Dalton]

Scum have more of a tendency to believe my fake claims than town, or at least go along with it as such.

[Rick Dalton]

Scum successfully got pressure off of Fonz, I’ll tell you that.

[Rick Dalton]

OMGUSy is a town tell for me.

PMysterious is also casing in a way to try and convince me that I’m scum, and casing at me, which is also a scum tell.

[Rick Dalton]

PM/Fonz/One of Roster,VD maybe one of A50/Vorkuta/Something

Possibly LUV.

Scum is thee

[Rick Dalton]

That’s what I’m saying!!

A50 is right! I’m the GOAT, but I’m a derpy Goat.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t back myself this hard into a scum corner without an escape route.

And Godfather isn’t allowed in Normals anymore.

[Rick Dalton]

Rosterfoster COP ME TONIGHT
Mumble bodyguard him. Simple

[Rick Dalton]

Although a Mumble has high scum equity and has gone under, tbh. Especially because heMs claiming to have the same role as Chemist.

Which actually might give Mumble townie points because why does scum claim that.

[Rick Dalton]

What’s the point of going on Tracker with Ninjas...?

Like I’m for it, but we’re not checking me with it anyways.

[Rick Dalton]

and I was playing off of Fonz’s post where he was calling me a potential goon, so you clearly didn’t read.

[Rick Dalton]

Like come on, dude, that was nit picky af

[Rick Dalton]

Okay, did literally everyone miss the fact that I claimed my Informed part immediately...?

[Rick Dalton]

Told the truth with part of my role, lies with the other part.

That’s classic. Have you literally been arguing with this the entire time and completely didn’t have that on your radar?

[Rick Dalton]

I’m not, you’re right. I was gonna prove I wasn’t goon either.

Idk what you’re arguing about. Fonz clearly made a goon case on me, my response is completely valid.

[Rick Dalton]

You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!

[Rick Dalton]

Well, you’re the only one that doesn’t get it, so

[Rick Dalton]

You’re saying “this, this, this, and this” are reasons for being scum, but they aren’t even scummy things. They’re just things that confused you.

[Rick Dalton]

Meanwhile, actual scumFonz gets farther away from the commotion.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t know at this point. Scum fake this ignorance when they try to push me a lot of times, but they could just be town who doesn’t get it.

I’m kind of out of this game right now, which is annoying because deadlines near.

Honestly, I’m a little afraid to push Fonz because I feel he’s protected by a scum fabricated cushion.

I think it’s just time for the next day.

[Rick Dalton]

I think LUV’s pocketing me. I think A50’s cushioning. Fonz backing off of me a little is weird.

Mumble’s mia, Roster’s in need of replace.

Chickadee’s the only one I really trust right now.

Vorkuta kinda, but he could be pocketing me, but I’m on his side.

SS could be WK’ing me because Jonny was awkward with me, but then I started town reading Johnny as wel for a second.

Idk.

[Rick Dalton]

And the Mod error talk is weird with VD-Roster.

[Rick Dalton]

I forget that you’re in this game half the time, which actually probably should show you that I’m town here

[Rick Dalton]

Pretty sure that’s L-1

[Rick Dalton]

Nevermind. That’s hammer

[Rick Dalton]

Rick was never informed of Ninjas, he made it up to make the Tracker feel not as useful.

Didn't Rick claim his information way before the tracker claimed?

I got to here and then PM made the post she did right prior, and I was unhappy because I was totally on PM’s side for a moment.

Chickadee kill was there to hard frame me, and the fact PM opened the day differently then used it to come back to me is scummy af.

[Rick Dalton]

Everyone’s arguing all around and saying I’m scum for the exact same reasons why other people say I’m town for in a circle.

If I were scum and not a visitor, I could always have a visit with a scum factional kill, so that is completely flawed.

Also, everything anyone ever says is completely thrown out of the window because I claimed tracker and my informed claim before anyone claimed anything.

[Rick Dalton]

This is why I think there are no ninjas, and it was a bluff by Rick.

So he just got lucky that there was a tracker?

To be fair, I did claim Disloyal Fruit Vendor who targeted you, a Loyal Fruit Vendor as scum once, so luck is on my side generally, but I also get super unlucky sometimes. It’s a blessing and a curse.

[Rick Dalton]

This is why I think there are no ninjas, and it was a bluff by Rick.

So he just got lucky that there was a tracker?

He claimed Tracker Day 1, which alongside the Ninja information, would make sense. This would be crucial, as this prevented Rick from being accused of being Mafia. Note that he retracted his claim after Vault came out and said he was Ascetic. This was the time the mass claim came about. So if the Mafia were to learn of any investigative roles, that would be the moment. Since Rick retracted his claim, he no longer counter claimed the actual Tracker who came out, because of the mass claim. It was a stroke of luck, and the primary role the Mafia needed to target. A Vanilla Cop, they could leave that alive since all a Vanilla Cop does is prove if someone is a power role or not. A Tracker, however, would go against their plans, as there is no ninja for them to use for the kill.

That makes Chickadee the primary target for the night kill. I'm not saying Mumble didn't know this, but not using the 1-shot Bodyguard on Chickadee or even roster the night after the mass claim is suspicious. The defensive stance and the claim of the report on Almost50 only adds more to the claim that Mumble is scum.

This is a misrep and an incorrect timeline.

This all happened before the mass claim, and was a main cause of the mass claim.

I also specifically made my comments and claim BECAUSE of VD, so yes, my retraction came after VD spoke, as it was a reaction test, I am THE reaction test player with proven results.

[Rick Dalton]

PMysterious is indirectly saying I’m just super good, which technically, I actually like that last post made by him, he just has the wrong conclusion about it.

It’s the perfect kill to frame me. ScumMe would never put myself in a situation where I am forced to kill one and only one player, and one like Chickadee.

Chickadee was also the only person in this game who could probably be considered conftown, so your case and reasoning is accurate, it’s just an incorrect conclusion.

[Rick Dalton]

@Vorkuta - you’re good at attacking me blindly and without reason and logic to dictate other options, what’s your take on PMysterious?

I’m slowly losing my town read on you, but mostly because I think it makes sense for your slot in the gamestate as a PMysterious partner rather than you being scummy.

[Rick Dalton]

Oh, Mumble replaced out? That’s scum indicative.

VOTE: Mumble

Mumble would actually argue, “No it’s not it’s NAI”, but like, that comes from scum who’s annoyed he’s being PL’d.

[Rick Dalton]

There’s zero reason for Mumble to have commuted now that I think about it.

[Rick Dalton]

Mumble getting flustered and going down makes sense from PMysterious to try and move it back onto me, even though he was pushing Mumble as my partner.

So, PMyst, what do you think of this? Is he your partner and you suddenly gonna back away from him?

[Rick Dalton]

P.S. One of those "FU's" was directed at you. If you have no qualms with it, disregard iit, All the others were directed at me though, and O do have a problem with disrespectful foul language.

Probably Scumble thought he was giving a partner a last distancing gift before leaving.

[Rick Dalton]

Okay, so the Tracker was nightkilled. Now for the question. Mumble, you claimed to be a 1-Shot Bodyguard alongside your other powers.

Why did you not protect Chikadee despite the claim? You only claimed to neighbor someone on Night 1, with no claim of you using your Bodyguard power. So, why didn't you use it on the un cc'd Tracker?

VOTE: Mumble

This looks planned af.

[Rick Dalton]

Spoiler:

In fairness, if there's a ninja, the tracker was not all that useful to us.

In this case, quite the contrary. Rick asked for the Tracker to check him to confirm his Visitor claim. If there are Ninjas in the game like Rick claimed, the fact that Rick could have visited a player could have proven his claim to be true, thus be a confirmed Town. If Mumble is a 1-Shot Bodyguard, then he should have protected Chickadee. If it costs me my own life, I'd have protected the un cc'd Tracker in a heartbeat, regardless if there were Ninjas or not. Backing up the claim of a Visitor or any other power role could be crucial to piecing together the puzzle, but now with Chickadee dead, we can't even do that, unless there is another Tracker.

I accused him of being a Mafia Ninja, a role that doesn't confirm a visit to the Tracker. If the Tracker came back with a positive result, it would have confirmed that Rick wasn't the Ninja at least. So now, with the Tracker dead, this provides a few theories.

1. There is a Ninja that killed Chickadee mostly so we wouldn't get anymore information on Rick, since most of us were scumreading him yesterday.

2. There is a Ninja and Rick is that ninja, and if Chickadee was alive, then the result would be negative, thus forcing more suspicion.

3. There is no Ninja and it was a bluff by Rick to get us to think there are Ninjas. However, this also means that if the Mafia performs kills, then they could be found out by the Tracker, thus requiring them to kill the un CC'd Tracker.

Regardless, all of these results would have required the Tracker to be killed, the un CC'd Tracker, mind you. So, without a doubt, we must ask. If Mumble is a 1-Shot Bodyguard as he claimed, then why did he not protect Chickadee?

Why would you claim visitor as ninja, a role that specifically cannot be seen visiting?

If Rick is scum it's likely he has a visiting role and someone ELSE on his team is a ninja. In that case they have nothing to fear from the tracker but a lot to gain if Rick gets false confirmed.

If there is a Ninja AND Rick is Scum, then why would they kill the one person that could have made Rick look town? It doesn't make sense in that regard.

So we have a few questions that need answering.

1.

Why did Mafia kill the Tracker?

2.

If Mumble

is

1-Shot Bodyguard, then why did he not protect Chickadee?

These two questions could very well be connected, and answering them might crack this game wide open. At this point, it's worth a shot.

All of this, in conjunction with the opening day post, and another post I’ll bring up in a second, highly indicates Mumble/Pm scum team. I actually think they had a plan to incriminate SS and myself together, which seems to be a thing happening anyways

[Rick Dalton]

Rick is probably scum. I said as much to Something_Smart during last night.

I am not scum, and I think it's asinine to attribute what you believe to be the right action for my abilities to what I think they are.

Something_Smart even agreed that I should not bodyguard, so are you going to say that he wanted the Tracker to die?

Mumble/PM looks planned, and when A50 was going to PL SCUMble it set him off, but I believe scum was trying to create a gamestate where Mumble was trusted by SS, and they were setting up the gamestate to go after SS. He just replaced in, so they hadn’t been able to do any damage control on him.

[Rick Dalton]

Mumble/PMysterious/Fonz makes sense as a scum team a lot actually.

I remember talking about how PMysterious called our Fonz for going after me, but then PMysterious later went after me for the exact same thing, and nobody acknowledged me bringing that up.

I think that’s a solid solve.

[Rick Dalton]

How come we got Mumble replacement before Roster?

[Rick Dalton]

Penguin, can you confirm all of your actions?

[Rick Dalton]

but not when you were the un cc'd Tracker, for 2 whole nights.

Rick claimed D2, Chick claimed D3 and Rick retracted, we're in D4.

Did I miss something there?

Pretty sure I claimed it Day 1.

[Rick Dalton]

And Chickadee got killed because of the frame of me. Chickadee and I were soul reading each other by the end of it.

[Rick Dalton]

Chickadee was never getting pushed, because I never would have pushed her and i was defending her, and she was defending me.

Not because of tracker claim, so whoever is try8ng to push that as a weak reasoning is likely scum indicative.

[Rick Dalton]

Mumble also has high odds of being scum

Mumble/PMysterious/Fonz

Then probably Vorkuta, I guess I could see SS there.

[Rick Dalton]

I really feel like Something_Smart was being setup by PM and Mumble, though, and Titus coming in attacking him makes me worried.

Because it does make sense, but i don’t feel like SS makes sense to be scum when he is scum, if that makes sense.

[Rick Dalton]

I mean, people knew it wasn’t a real claim.

Just because you didn’t, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t obviously not my claim.

So I wasn’t a tracker that was kept alive, I was me who is famously and infamously known for pulling fake claim gambits as town who claimed tracker

[Rick Dalton]

I'm here, just a bit busy. Will post properly tomorrow. I blocked LUV. I am now an Ascetic VT.

This was actually a really good action because LUV scum probably would have made the kill.

[Rick Dalton]

Titus, you’d be feeling like you’d be getting gaslit if I were scum like in Ramblings.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, VD claimed even night Vig, so I think a commute is really scum indicative, and it might be truthful.

He already said the reason for the commute was because he didn’t want a Vig to shoot him.

[Rick Dalton]

@Almost - PMysterious is like lock scum from my perspective, I’m getting a little doubts because I feel bad if I mislynch Penguin, but there’s zero worlds where PMysterious is town here.

Can we lynch PM?

[Rick Dalton]

Titus, you’d be feeling like you’d be getting gaslit if I were scum like in Ramblings.

Why would you gaslight me?

Tbh, I can see a town!Rick with a scum!SS based on D1.

Also I may vanish at any moment until Thursday post surgery.

Not you specifically, but my scum style has people thinking they’re going insane when really I’m just the insane one.

You brought feeling like you were being gaslit in Ramblings, so i was touching at that.

[Rick Dalton]

Right, but Mumble acted like there was still a Vig, and presumably, with an even night Vig, i don’t think it’s out of ordinary for an odd night Vigilante to be in the game.

For all we know, an odd night Vig did shoot

[Rick Dalton]

And something blocked it

[Rick Dalton]

that’s the question, though, do you think it’s a soft?

[Rick Dalton]

Ugggghhhhhhgghhhgghghhghgghgghgghgghghgghhghhghjhhjghghghhhhgg

[Rick Dalton]

I feel I have a correct solve or at the very least an extremely close to being there solve.

Can we please lynch in my solve

[Rick Dalton]

Something is kinda in the solve, I guess, but I feel if he were scum, I’d have a lot more pressure on me right now

[Rick Dalton]

Mumble/PMysterious/Fonz

And then Vorkuta possible, with a chance of SS.

VD’s action makes me think that even more.

[Rick Dalton]

Fonz and PMysterious have been lock scum since yesterday.

[Rick Dalton]

The fact that I was pushing both of them hard and nobody went on them shows me that.

Every time I’m town and under a decent amount of fire, this happens.

Every
Time

[Rick Dalton]

I’m gonna get lynched in lylo probably

And imma be like, i told y’all

[Rick Dalton]

Can we please lynch in my solve

We're both voting Mumble (now PP) so that IS lynching in your solve.

I could switch to S_S who is "kinda" in your solve and is also in Titus' solve.

Oh, then I love you, and don’t mean the sass towards you.

Penguin gives me doubts on MumbleScum, though. Idk why.

[Rick Dalton]

Hmm.

VOTE: Pmysterious

[Rick Dalton]

Fonz is lock scum too. He hid out hard at the end of yesterday after the Dalton vs Fonz backed away to make sure Croag got hit and not him.

[Rick Dalton]

Fonz is lock scum too. He hid out hard at the end of yesterday after the Dalton vs Fonz backed away to make sure Croag got hit and not him.

This is a fucking lie.

Vote: Rick Dalton

No it’s not.

You were far less active the end of the day than when you were coming off.

Just because you don’t think it’s true doesn’t make it so.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m getting chainsawed now.

[Rick Dalton]

A50 were you hatcheting me on PM?

[Rick Dalton]

Nah.

It wasn’t even necessarily a frame risk theory, that’s just me being cocky, but killing Chickadee definitely made my death much more possible, and controlled gamestate.

[Rick Dalton]

I could have been accidentally misrepping. I was basing off memory. My bad if I did.

[Rick Dalton]

I am so confused right now. At this point I just want to sheep the leading wagon.

I agree Mumble's claim seems bad.

And while I am trying really hard not to tunnel Rick, I feel like he is trying really hard to pocket me here.

I’m trying to solve. You’re town here. I just don’t see a world where you make any of that stuff up not casually truthfully claim it like that as scum.

Me confident in my read on you is all I need. You could tunnel me if you want, but I feel I’m also obv town and scum have done a good job to create a gamestate where they can manipulate my playstyle to being scummy.

This happens, and I have been getting mislynched recently more than I ever have in my 5 years on site, and it’s when I have the correct solve and people are just paranoid of the god that is FL having a for the books scum game.

But like, I’m strong town too. There’s more to me than just my scum game.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: PM
sheeping papa-dalton because I don't even remember who jigglypuff replaced.
probably a cursed slot and someone scummy

Thoughts on Mumble’s slot? Didn’t you want that wagon earlier?

No wagon
Meh let's try again

Kindly join y'all
VOTE: mumble

It’s PenguinPower.

[Rick Dalton]

I should hope you're confident in your read on the confirmed vig...?

That’s why I’m disregarding his pocketing attempt line.

I can confidently town read him, i don’t have to worry about him setting me up for a mislynch, and I don’t have to consider him a scum candidate.

My solve is near 100% correct.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t expect my solve to be 100% correct, but it is close.

My pool is correct. I think Baker can be added to the pool, in theory, because I’ve been forgetting he’s in this game even, and he’s the epitome of NAI here.

[Rick Dalton]

Although, in A Boondom Menace, he was scum, and he did the most, and he effectively wrecked his entire scum team and didn’t get town read for any of it.

[Rick Dalton]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town. That means all the scum would have to be in (Me) PMy, Vorkuta, DarthB, LUV, Almost.

Does that do anything for your reads on the two claimed roles with night actions? If not, even if I assumed you were reading me as scum, 3/5 of the others would have to be scum. Do you read any of them as town?

So pretty damn close to my solve

[Rick Dalton]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town.

First of all, just because I defend someone doesn't mean I townread them. And even if I did (and I do townread Rick, not sure about PP), that doesn't mean that "from my perspective" they can't be scum. I'm not gonna claim that my reads are GOOD in a game I replaced into so late.

Also, you forgot Titus. Titus could be scum.

Such a me response

[Rick Dalton]

What the damn hell?!

Wait a second.

Chemist died night 2. If you believe Mumble slot is scum, you can’t believe that he was the actual night kill.

I was pushing at Mumble that day, and Chemist was conversing with me.

I think I WAS the kill target. Chemist saved me and died for me with his body guard action.

That’s why the whole “why wasn’t Rick killed?!?” talk has been coming up. Scum tried to kill me, and failed!

[Rick Dalton]

Look back at Chemist-Mumble talk is why. They were paired a lot

[Rick Dalton]

Scum is in the people who pushed that as a reasoning for sure.

[Rick Dalton]

I guess I should disagree then, because a game of Mafia can't go smoothly. Amirite?

Fair. I was just hopeful

[Rick Dalton]

I guess I should disagree then, because a game of Mafia can't go smoothly. Amirite?

Fair. I was just hopeful

I meant to quote Fonz.

[Rick Dalton]

What the damn hell?!

Wait a second.

Chemist died night 2. If you believe Mumble slot is scum, you can’t believe that he was the actual night kill.

I was pushing at Mumble that day, and Chemist was conversing with me.

I think I WAS the kill target. Chemist saved me and died for me with his body guard action.

That’s why the whole “why wasn’t Rick killed?!?” talk has been coming up. Scum tried to kill me, and failed!

I looked through Chemist's ISO, and based on that, I find it more likely that he protected Roster and not you. He kept on saying that Roster was a bad lynch, and he barely mentioned you at all. So what's likely (unless Roster's replacement can confirm this to be false), Chemist neighbored Roster, and Roster told Chemist that he was Vanilla Cop, a role that could be useful in finding the other power roles, including those of Scum. Chemist would definitely trust the person he used his Neighbor power on over a guy who just said he was Tracker in the open, yet didn't even use his power on the first night (as found out in Day 3 with the Visitor claim).

If this event did actually happen the way you describe it, then it would confirm you town, but based on Chemist's ISO, it is unlikely that he used his Bodyguard ability on Rick.

I thought I already went back on this? Chemist was probably shot straight up. What’s the point in rehashing when I’ve already chopped myself if not you just trying to discredit more?

[Rick Dalton]

Man, Penguin’s playing up to me, and if he’s scum it’s working

My PM-Mumble theory is fading

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, vote PM.

[Rick Dalton]

I think yesterday had pretty good indication of that that explains why Fonz is scum.

I’d rather lynch Fonz than PM, tbh, PM is just more annoying, and Fonz is protected.

[Rick Dalton]

He’s in the pool, but SS arguably knows me better than any other player on site, for sure top 3, and when he was scum last and I was town, I KNEW he was scum, and he forced a 1v1 with me in a sort of hilarious back and forth. Game was essentially over by the time I replaced in there.

Other than that, I only have played with Scumthing Smart once, and he was my partner, and pulled a Miller/Cop gambit Day 1 together, and swept.

Him WK’ing me doesn’t make sense in theory if I’m not being targeted for a mislynch, but like I said, I think I’m destined to be mislynched in lylo.

[Rick Dalton]

Of course I do, silly. You think I sleep with the lights on?

Let the darkness consume you.
Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for… sister. So, you have a twin sister.

Ummm... I have a trans twin brother. I used to have a twin sister. His name is Mathblade. Carry on.

Lynch SS please.

Oh, I didn’t know you guys were twins. I’ve met you twice too.

[Rick Dalton]

Let’s do PM

[Rick Dalton]

Nah, I have no other modifiers.

[Rick Dalton]

Almost50, PMysterious, Vorkuta, Darth Baker

Taking out VD and Titus from the Penguin Wagon, I would say at least 2 of these are the scum team.

Fonz is likely scum off the wagon.

The 4 people off the wagon were Myself, SS, LUV, and Fonz. Not counting Penguin since he died.

Penguin and I were on PM, so I really think it’s PM.

PM, Fonz, I think one of Baker/Vorkuta makes sense. PMysterious seems to semi be setting up a bus attempt on Baker for some town cred it seems. If baker is town, then that’s a mislynch attempt.

If we’re dealing with only 3 scum, I would say that it’s PM, Fonz, and Baker/Vorkuta.

A50 had a few things that I would consider having given a scum agenda, but my gut isn’t screaming towards him, and it usually is. Even when I think logically he is scum, but I’m not sure, he’s usually town. I know he’s scum when he’s scum.

[Rick Dalton]

If there’s 4 scum, add LUV/SS to Vorkuta/Baker and then it’s 2 of the 4.

[Rick Dalton]

More like a [(Vorkuta/Baker)LUV/SS]

Where 2 of the 4 are scum, but one of them is in Vorkuta/Baker

[Rick Dalton]

Also, PMysterious is doing hard IioA.

[Rick Dalton]

actually, I know for a fact that Baker and Vorkuta have good chemistry, and they’re even on the same team Mafia team.

I haven’t seen any of that this game, and it might actually be scum indicative.

[Rick Dalton]

I meant to say that yesterday, but I forgot, and was focused on Mumble/PM.

I’m gonna look back to see why i thought that.

[Rick Dalton]

Baker and Vorkuta have good chemistry

but this is some random darth baker evil sith lord and he won't be interested in my cookie recipes
bs push is bs

How is it bs? And why is this so defensive?

I think it was a rather fair analysis, and you’re right, I do agree Baker is different here.

And he is an evil sith lord of pastries.

Even if it isn’t true and you guys aren’t scum together, I think it’s fair of me to think that there could be a chance.

Also, the fact you pushed it like that instead of immediately thinking that maybe Darth is scum instead of you makes me feel like I’m either correct, or that you know he’s town.

[Rick Dalton]

Why can’t Baker be scum, Vork?

[Rick Dalton]

SS, are you town reading Baker?

[Rick Dalton]

Y’all shouldn’t have lynched me in that game. I was the most obv town that ever did town

[Rick Dalton]

I can’t shake my PMysterious scum, and I don’t scum read A50.

I think him vs Mumble was genuine

[Rick Dalton]

PM, Fonz, Baker, A50?

I don’t think A50’s scum, so that would mean one of Vorkuta/SS are scum, but I think Fonz/PM/Baker is looking extremely likely. If it’s a 3 man team, that’s probably it.

[Rick Dalton]

if That were the case, i feel like they’d have hopped on A50 by now.

Scum has to be in A50/Vorkuta/SS somewhere, I guess.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m RICK FUCKING DALTON.

VOTE: Almost50

[Rick Dalton]

That makes 8

[Rick Dalton]

Good setup. I felt like both sides had PR’s that just didn’t really damn either side. Tracker was kinda rough, but 3 shot is a lot, and we had specific ninja.

I enjoyed this a lot.

[Rick Dalton]

Luv and I had some hilarious near misses trying to setup that quickhammer.

[Rick Dalton]

Fonz and I also had great back and forth’s, I feel, which when SS replaces in, we just had really strong synergy. Luv was under the radar so he couldn’t have gotten taken out really either.

[Rick Dalton]

And yet when i’m town, I get mislynched in LYLO.

8 scum games victorious this year. Anyone know what the record is?

[Rick Dalton]

I think the back and forth between fonz and I saved me, tbh

[Rick Dalton]

Scumreading me is one thing, lynching me is another.