Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: elements

[Dunnstral]

Also, what's a friendly neighbor?

Is this a serious question, a jab at abr, or something else?

[Dunnstral]

I am kind of torn on you. On one hand I can see you trying to get some conversation going and to figure Elements out in one way... however on the other hand your questions also feel a bit like filler that doesn't really bring too much on the table, but make you look engaged.

It is page 3

[Dunnstral]

I have, why?

[Dunnstral]

They strike me as fair questions

Notably, it looks like he's asking to try to sort other people

This isn't meta

[Dunnstral]

Okay. Short of an official meta analysis, is him asking Qs re how others are reading him consistent with his personality or behavior from whatever games you’ve played with him, either scum or town or both?

Question is open to the floor for anyone whose played with Datisi, ofc.

Short of an official meta analysis,

Like, I feel not wanting to dig up old cases, but presumably since you raised your hand you have some sense of his personality/style of play as either scum or town or both. Curious if this is consistent.

I don't think there's enough info in the thread to make any kind of meta call.

I don't see why datisti can't do what they've done as either alignment so far

[Dunnstral]

Personally I'm more interested in Dunnstral and whether he always is this lurky and fluffy.

I'm down to wagon GC.

Do you need something?

[Dunnstral]

Personally I'm more interested in Dunnstral and whether he always is this lurky and fluffy.

I'm down to wagon GC.

Do you need something?

Why are you posting regularly in other games but not here?

Why did you ignore my request for some reads?

Because I didn't see it.

This game isn't interesting right now

Reads: Green Crayons, Reformed Toxic Player for town

Scumreads: Not really sure, Elements was/is being weird, Testarossa I understand little of what is going on in her head despite her posts and it feels like she's said less than she has

VOTE: Testarossa

[Dunnstral]

GC is asking questions I like, RTP feels like town

[Dunnstral]

From the start where he self voted and then the forced reads

[Dunnstral]

I don't have any expectations; it looked like he was detracting from the rvs wagons that were building up and then his other post was forced.

[Dunnstral]

Because that's the impression I get. Tone, you feel like town

[Dunnstral]

vp you do you but you're wrong about my meta

You can take a look at some of my town games if you're interested

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to assume that Testarossa has no power and move on for now

Andres, that is an unexpected reads list just from looking at others' reads, maybe not bad, why testarossa town? I was thinking scummy or at best null

[Dunnstral]

My point is that your opinion on dunn doesn't logically flow.

Now, people say illogical things all the time. I certainly do. But if someone came in the thread and had Dunn listed near the top of their town reads list, you can believe I'd be suspicious of that person given how that is clashing with my viewpoint as a town member.

Do you think he could be tmi defending me here? (assume I'm town)

[Dunnstral]

In 415 I mentioned everyone else is null... here’s my feelings on those slots.

Datisi

- Unreadable, but something feels odd. The tone of your posts feel almost like you’re thumbing your nose at us. Like you know something and are toying with us. But maybe that’s just your play style. Now a few of the players have played with you and the atmosphere around you is pretty split. I’ve never played with you so I placed you here based on what those people have said.

Dunnstral

- Is an unreadable players since you play the same as both alignments, which is why I have you as null. All I know is your town games.

Harumi

- As you know I’m currently playing two games with you. This one and the another one and I can’t read you, which is why I have you at null. Your play could come from both town and scum.

Tessa

- You’ve only posted several times and I’d say your posts weren’t bad, but not enough to get a real read on you. It’s why I placed you here.

Elements

- I literally don’t have a read for you. You may be like Dunn and play similar regardless of alignment, but I only have a town game for you and this could be that, but not having a scum game to compare, I can only place you here.

I don't think this is true about me

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, how do you feel about andres?

More towny than not, I don't want him elimmed but it was a thought I had in regards to my wagon

[Dunnstral]

I know you said you did that in a previous game and got burned by him but yea.

What game was this that I 'burned' vp baltar?

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VP Baltar you've seen me with low activity as scum before. OK, that's not an end-all-be-all case against me. That happens as town too. "He's lurking" was never a case against me, and saying 'exactly' when asked what I did to make me get votes is also not a case against me.

The tunneling can be scum-motivated in that it doesn't pay attention to other slots (you're not doing this though)

[Dunnstral]

Official Vote Count 1.06

State Archives Building, Baku, Azerbaijan

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

Reformed Toxic Player (3): Battle Mage, VP Baltar, Datisi
Elements (2): Andresvmb, Duchess
Green Crayons (1): Reformed Toxic Player
midwaybear (1): ItalianoVD
Battle Mage (1): Dunnstral
ItalianoVD (1): Harumi Ayasato
Dunnstral (1): Green Crayons

Not Voting

(3): RLotus, Elements, midwaybear

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-02-28 21:49:12).

Mod notes:

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VOTE: Elements
Not a fan of RTP wagon
I'd need a better case on RTlotus to vote for them than the kill kill kill stuff

[Dunnstral]

VP Baltar you've seen me with low activity as scum before. OK, that's not an end-all-be-all case against me. That happens as town too. "He's lurking" was never a case against me, and saying 'exactly' when asked what I did to make me get votes is also not a case against me.

The tunneling can be scum-motivated in that it doesn't pay attention to other slots (you're not doing this though)

So how should one differentiate your scum lurking from your town lurking?

Obviously I become readable at some point, pushing me from the word go because I didn't produce enough content for your liking isn't productive

[Dunnstral]

This isn't disney world on your birthday. No free passes.

Anyhow, what do you think of Lotus' case on me?

It looked fair to me.

[Dunnstral]

This isn't disney world on your birthday. No free passes.

Anyhow, what do you think of Lotus' case on me?

It looked fair to me.

So what this means is you're reading the game and intentionally choosing not to post about it, as opposed to just casually lurking because you don't feel like efforting.

I reiterate, how is one supposed to tell your town and scum lurking apart?

I went back and looked at it when you asked for my opinion.

[Dunnstral]

Oh that is very interesting

[Dunnstral]

For what it's worth, I think 1429 seems reasonable out of context, in the sense that Italiano's train of thought seems believable

[Dunnstral]

but the way italiano formed their reads list suggests they arent flipping town

How did they form their reads list?

[Dunnstral]

That feel when the three top wagons (as of 1440) are your three stated townreads

This post pings me

Feels like something that comes from scum

1132 and 1362 feel scummy to me as well

VOTE: midwaybear

[Dunnstral]

The way he emphasizes stated townreads but he's more making a show about it than pointing anything out

but interesting u chose to latch onto that vs actually catching up.

Throwing out 'the way he formed his reads list' didn't make sense to me.

[Dunnstral]

The way he emphasizes stated townreads but he's more making a show about it than pointing anything out

but interesting u chose to latch onto that vs actually catching up.

Throwing out 'the way he formed his reads list' didn't make sense to me.

[Dunnstral]

That self hammer while being a neapolitan was kind of gross. Why not just claim?

[Dunnstral]

GAIZE I KNO MY SLOT WAS SCUMMY BUT I SWEARZ IM TOWN

Was it scummy?

Why do you feel the need for this defense?

[Dunnstral]

I don't know, was it? Didn't get a chance to catch up over night, I'm only on page 15.

Would be nice if got some real time interaction though

Why did you post 1730?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Midwaybear

[Dunnstral]

My first vote goes here

VOTE: harumi

Why

Nearly all of her posts feel forced to me, and I didn't like their entire stance on elements was pretty yucky.


It reads to me looking for something to push, and besides all that, I don't see a whole lot of pressure on her at that point in time and she just... disappeared.

Just got to the replacement, gonna try and keep an open mind but ehhh....

I could maybe follow you on dun, idk

@dunstral

How familiar are you with the amished?

I know what you're talking about, I don't know if I believe it personally

[Dunnstral]

Any reason you're not voting mwb?

[Dunnstral]

But you decide to call me out on it.

INTERESTING.

I purposely invoked amish cuz Baltar <3

I didn't though

[Dunnstral]

GAIZE I KNO MY SLOT WAS SCUMMY BUT I SWEARZ IM TOWN

Was it scummy?

Why do you feel the need for this defense?

So the amish tell is when you badmouth your predecessors actions, but that's not what you do here

You say it's "scummy" which is interesting because I didn't perceive it that way and so I want to know why you did and why you were bringing it up

I also didn't vote for you

[Dunnstral]

So, yes. You were getting ready to make a push against me with the amish tell in mind

Well if you say so, then that must be correct. Thanks, I wasn't aware I was doing that

[Dunnstral]

Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.

Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?

You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?

You said you were SR’ing Dunn and midwaybear. Today. But your explanation is something that literally didn’t happen. So what are you saying exactly?

No I'm not saying I was scum reading midway. I'm saying that is one possible answer for Dunn's avoiding an inevitable wagon.

You had a chance to vote him while a wagon was building there but chose to counter-wagon on me isntead

[Dunnstral]

ok so i was working under the assumption that you hating my smugness = scumreading it but now i'm confused. can you lay out what's your read on me right now?

I’m skeptical that you have the game right, I don’t think Dunn will flip Scum, and I’m just generally annoyed that there’s so much... passivity in this game. I don’t have you as Scum right now. But I don’t like arguments that are easily disproven either. Trying to discredit me by making an argument that was false IS annoying. I am not just blindly going to follow along here. I want to see people be aggressive and push to figure out what’s going on. 6 votes so quickly on Dunn - does that seem like an engaged Town to you?

I don't really know why I'm being run up today anyway

[Dunnstral]

I'd prefer if you used your words

[Dunnstral]

hi dunn can you acknowledge my 1757 ok thanks bye

It's cherry picking

If you notice, I didn't have a whole lot to say throughout the entirety of day 1. Phrasing it as if I was doing something special around the italiano wagon is misleading - were you expecting me to be more engaged?

[Dunnstral]

Also I didn't see Italiano as 'a forgone conclusion' and was expecting for there to be a phase where people evaluate whether whatever he claims (even if it is vt) seems legit

[Dunnstral]

I don't think he ever implied he was going to self hammer. Or if he did, I didn't see it

I didn't realize he was going to be stubborn enough to hammer himself instead of claiming

If he was going to sit at l-1 without claiming, that's something to talk about too (unless someone quickly hammers him)
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Again, it's cherry-picking, I wasn't following the thread closely enough to be deeply opposed to anything other than an elim on myself. I took a look while the wagon was forming and pointed out that I liked something he did, it's not my fault that nobody cared. I then started looking for scum and didn't like what midway was doing

[Dunnstral]

I'd prefer if you used your words

Look at the ending vote count for D1 and then reevaluate your statement.

No response necessary

[Dunnstral]

dunn, can i get a readslist or something from you?

I don't feel good about making one right now

I think midway looks bad and vp baltar's push coming into day 2 looks bad

And that there's probably scum who jumped on me today

[Dunnstral]

So the amish tell is when you badmouth your predecessors actions, but that's not what you do here

The Amish tell is when the replacement show's high levels of awareness of what their predecessor is doing while not having much of a handle of the game state. Its more than just bad mouthing the predecessor and the tell includes seemingly notable opinion on what their predec was doing. The idea is that scum are most likely going to iso their predecessor to see how messed up they are

I don't agree with your definition of Amish tell

Just know that I was referencing it with the definition I described and my question to you was wondering what you were doing

It was not 'getting ready to push you'

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: Amish Tell Definition Source

Subject: Open 193 - Friends and Enemies: It's over!

@VP: To clarify; the difference is what happens after the reread that I didn't take into account before. Skimming posts for questions and answers (which was the failure); or criticism.

Jazzmyn
Scien
ABR (hi!)
yours truly

That's just ones that I've caught/remembered specifically.

For those of you that don't know what's going on; I've basically come up with a scumtell that if you *criticize* who you replaced in; you're scum. This is a refinement from what I had it (if you read your replacement at all you were scum); but this seems to cover all the instances where I've seen/remember it. If you're town, you really don't have to worry about your predecessor as you know they're town; but if you think that they're scummy; then you're scum. As town, you know that you're not scummy and don't deserve criticism at all.

Might be something to be said about VP knowing that momrangal is making an incorrect argument and ignoring? I'm not sure.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral - Seems to be a very experienced player so am going to really have a good look into ISO later because I feel this is a slot that could be scum but appear really towny

Weird takeaway

[Dunnstral]

So for what reason am I still the leading wagon?

[Dunnstral]

So for what reason am I still the leading wagon?

what's your usual trajectory for lurking as town v scum?

say, specifically, with regard to beginning of d2

I'm not really sure what you're asking

I haven't been lurking on day 2

you answer something i asked (1895)

Because he's tunneled on it to a strange degree

And I appear to be his only scumread

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: green crayon

e-2

I don't like his push on me today

something something "and at this point i think a flip either way would be informative" 1967

[Dunnstral]

Honestly, an ungated neighborizer seems a bit strong as a scum role, but I'm not the greatest in balance.

I don't get why that's too strong for a scum role?

Same sentiment at VPB thinking the neighborizer would get shot, not sure why that would happen

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So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?

Something to keep in mind is that GC would be locked into claiming neighborizer today since he targeted Datisi already.

I guess I don't get why the claim changes anything right now. Could be either alignment, not an important role.

I agree it's unlikely that the claim is fake

[Dunnstral]

I basically don't like how you have so much more to say about a supposed null lean town read than a strong scum read. BUT I caught something early day one and I maybe expecting some results from what I've seen

I mean, reading back over those posts, I can say I was definitely annoyed with the way duchess was playing throughout the game, which came across to me as simultaneously disengaged and hyper aggressive.

As much as I think Dunn could be scum here, he is pretty calm and doesn't aggressively misinterpret game statements.

I also acknowledge your perspective is likely very different since you weren't involved in real time.

Anyhow, just seemed a weird thing to say.

Doesn't your description of my play here sound different from the game where we were scum together?

[Dunnstral]

Suddenly then the uninformed majority becomes much closer to being informed.

That's not how neighborhoods work

[Dunnstral]

So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?

neither of us is orchestrating it, we voted you individually before even mentioning you in the hood.

how's your read on baltar doing? anything else going anywhere?

I think there has been a miscommunication, I wasn't planning on rereading vp balter

[Dunnstral]

VPB why do you keep emphasizing that other people being scum doesn't make me town?

[Dunnstral]

GC

[Dunnstral]

I'm eagerly awaiting DGB to get in the mix,

It will have to wait to tomorrow, I am swamped today.

More cookie monster votes pls

What. Also it was your predecessor who voted for Cookie Monster

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Midwaybear

Cookie is useless, mwb is scummy, dgb and predecessor are weird, GC is scummy

Andres, mom, Datsi feel town

[Dunnstral]

???

[Dunnstral]

what's your current bet, where's the wrong?

Maxwell I need to stop avoiding and look at harder.

On you, I should give Lotus' case an open mind reading. I did feel like I led you onto midway yesterday in a way that tingled my paranoia.

I feel like my read on BM was accurate, but momrangal just comes and goes without much influence.

The lurkerfest is impossible. I'm waiting for Dunn to come in and say I was a fool all along and he has some night info to save the day.

Idk, generally when I help yeet a couple townies, I feel like I've made some bad assumptions somewhere and I need to quiet down and reconsider the full board.

Unfortunately, I have no information to share.

[Dunnstral]

Okay so you’re claiming Tracker. Who did you target N1?

Who? Max?

[Dunnstral]

Lots of dumb was posted on the last page about the neighborhood.

mom was a compromise pick.

Why did you compromise pick?

[Dunnstral]

we're 1 miselim from limlo so... mass claim?

[Dunnstral]

and our (strong) investigative role + protective are already dead

[Dunnstral]

There was talk about potential pocketing

What does this mean?

[Dunnstral]

No.

What is the "talk about potential pocketing" and who does it apply to and why did it result in you selecting momrangel

[Dunnstral]

The third is DGB or dunn then

You just said it wasn't likely to be me a few hours ago.

[Dunnstral]

So this was all 200 iq manipulation by datisi

But little did they know, Andres is 300 iq

[Dunnstral]

(I'm not actually sure if it's datisi but if GC is town then that becomes more likely with the way they were tag team pushing me from their hood yesterday)

[Dunnstral]

@dunn

: 2313 from yesterday please

Andres, mom, Datsi feel town

my name is 6 letters please it's not that difficult i promise

also you explain any of these?

every time I try and do something

the joke here is that the amount of times this has happened is zero.

cookie if you're town can you please start actually working with us? you've had plenty questions thrown your way.

They're just feelings

Andres is arguing aggressively and what they argue seems good to me (the caveat here is I don't believe he is the cause of most of the miselim's thus far)

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

Vote is still on GC in spirit. I want to hear from Lotus and Dunn before we end this day.

I'm still fine with a GC vote

[Dunnstral]

It looks like were going to be in limlo whatever he flips anyway

Huh?

If GC is scum I die then we are in limlo

Why would you die

[Dunnstral]

I have a modifier. It’s two shot so I can’t do any more help PR wise anyway

Why would neighborizor be gated?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Green Crayons

[Dunnstral]

I'm always gone over the weekend which is when this wagon happened like...

It took just two days to eliminate him but it takes ages for anything else to build up. Everything else has resistance, and it feels like the moment I got busy, we get another town elimination

I kind of like this reasoning

I wish you said it, like, 30 minutes ago

[Dunnstral]

Okay my hero solve if this flips Town: {DGB, Dunnstral, Datisi}.

The three D’s.

I would start with Dunn to be honest. But who knows. I could be way off.

???

why

[Dunnstral]

f this flips town then I agree with the rest of your solve though

[Dunnstral]

It's just unfortunate that I'm also lumped in there as the 3rd (1st?)

[Dunnstral]

One Partner among the Town [Datisi], one Partner as potential Scum [DGB], all the other Scum choices would have flipped Town.

What does this mean

"one partner among the town"

[Dunnstral]

I thought we were hammering this guy because we thought he was scum

[Dunnstral]

For clarification 2302 was meant to imply that cookie was useless but mwb was scummy so we should vote there instead, and I think dgb pushing cookie influenced my decision to make that post too

[Dunnstral]

I assume 3146 is with the context of a green flip here

[Dunnstral]

The scrambling between Dunn and midway may also be quite illustrative. I might revisit that.

When did this happen?

[Dunnstral]

I assume 3146 is with the context of a green flip here

a town flip*

[Dunnstral]

red crayons

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's elements/dgb slot off the top of my head

Maxwell needs to claim his role tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's elements/dgb slot off the top of my head

Maxwell needs to claim his role tomorrow

who then?

My poe makes me think max is one

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's elements/dgb slot off the top of my head

Maxwell needs to claim his role tomorrow

who then?

My poe makes me think max is one

Can you give your poe?

Some of it depends on this flip

I don't really think it's andres, or mom

I don't think datisi/GC are both scum together; if this is town I can see datisi being scum easily

vpb I've been trying to avoid going for, it's a maybe but probably not

I'm coming around on dgb/elements being town

I don't see a reason to townread max here so I'm getting suspicious regardless of the claim (which is not specified and easily fakeable)

[Dunnstral]

What are you guys talking about?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't even realize dkkoba was in this game at one point, or what slot they had. Or more likely I just forgot. They're not listed on the OP

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's elements/dgb slot off the top of my head

Maxwell needs to claim his role tomorrow

who then?

My poe makes me think max is one

Can you give your poe?

Some of it depends on this flip

I don't really think it's andres, or mom

I don't think datisi/GC are both scum together; if this is town I can see datisi being scum easily

vpb I've been trying to avoid going for, it's a maybe but probably not

I'm coming around on dgb/elements being town

I don't see a reason to townread max here so I'm getting suspicious regardless of the claim (which is not specified and easily fakeable)

Hm maybe all 9 of us are town

I wouldn't have hammered if I didn't think this had a good chance of flipping scum

And I listed a scumread

So that's 2/3, not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be

[Dunnstral]

k since yall prob gonna try to hammer this while im at work - ill just out my theory now ~ i will ellaborate on this tomorrow if im alive but if somehow italiano flips town, im looking at a crackpot theory of andres, maxwell, GC.


but the way italiano formed their reads list suggests they arent flipping town so im not too pressed about it, i just would rather do this in case im nightkilled and all.

Is this what people are talking about?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't even realize dkkoba was in this game at one point, or what slot they had. Or more likely I just forgot. They're not listed on the OP

They posted 15 times under their main account. You can easily spot that by looking at the activity overview. I seriously doubt this is genuine.

I thought you guys were talking about the other game with titus in it, for some reason

[Dunnstral]

Andres obviously I'm not 100% here for this game. I talked to dkkoba, like, twice, and the game is 3000 posts long

[Dunnstral]

Andres obviously I'm not 100% here for this game. I talked to dkkoba, like, twice, and the game is 3000 posts long

Okay but then you did know they were in the game. So your prior statement is just blatant posturing.

No, I forgot. I went back and checked my own history

[Dunnstral]

What would I even be posturing around?

[Dunnstral]

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory

[Dunnstral]

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory

Can you elaborate on how everything I’m posting is a conspiracy theory please?

You said the neighborizor was fake and the neighborhood was the whole scum team, didn't you? You did this both when datisi claimed neighborized and when momrongel claimed neighborized, and also criticized the choice of target

And you're jumping on me for this

That's what I meant

[Dunnstral]

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory

Can you elaborate on how everything I’m posting is a conspiracy theory please?

You said the neighborizor was fake and the neighborhood was the whole scum team, didn't you? You did this both when datisi claimed neighborized and when momrongel claimed neighborized, and also criticized the choice of target

And you're jumping on me for this

That's what I meant

This was already sorted and worked through pages ago. You’re late.

And if you had all these issues, isn’t it mighty interesting it’s coming out now?

And you're jumping on me for this

Me suggesting that you could be Scum if GC flips Town has nothing to do with the GC claim. It’s the solve you put out. I’m not connecting the two thoughts your putting out here.

your putting out here.

You’re*

I don't have a problem with you, I'm just saying that not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory.

[Dunnstral]

Accusing me of being "deepscum" this game is kind of funny

DGB, you should go back to 3265 and start from there.

Also saying gc barely tried to get me killed is demonstrably false? He pushed me for all of early day 2 and voted me to l-1 without announcing it

[Dunnstral]

thinking Andres and Dunn

tbd on (Baltar, Datisi). Maybe one of them. I separately had problems with Datisi's midway push, which I think I've resolved after having reviewed twice now & discussed in neighborhood iwth Datisi and mom; but it still has lowered my estimation of him. i need to read rather than skim Lotus's case.

If not (Baltar, Datisi), maybe maxwell but his claim might clear him.

I think Lotus, DBG, mom are town.

UNVOTE:

Vote is still on GC in spirit. I want to hear from Lotus and Dunn before we end this day.

I'm still fine with a GC vote

Distancy vibes, my best guess is Dunn, I really wouldn't lock him town at the very least

How about you quote the parts where:

-He votes me to l-1
-I vote him to l-2 while andres is calling for other people to join the wagon

3030 is me replying to someone who asked
2899 is what he said while already going down, and is wifom

[Dunnstral]

It's weird that rtlotus and dgb casually mentioned that they both have each other as scum or probable scum but only have eyes for me right now

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: green crayon

e-2

I don't like his push on me today

something something "and at this point i think a flip either way would be informative" 1967

why would Baltar need to know that there was a neighborizer? what is even your thought process.

I saw Baltar's post and thought either he was just shooting the breeze, and it was worth putting out a crumb, or maybe similar to a game i just played (I believe with Baltar) where there were multiple folks of the same role (here, neighborizers) and he was trying to see if there was a similar situation

Argh.

UNVOTE:

This game is horrible.

While all the above discussion is happening, rtlotus is nowhere around.

I had the same thought as you guys about BM, that he is probably town if Italiano flips town.

The fact that the Italiano wagon hasn't built up despite the fact that it has been talked about ad nauseum might be an indicator that I'm on the right track. Alternatively, it could just be a product of the stalled gamestate.

i mean most of the talk is about how he's town, so would you really expect a wagon to build regardless of his alignment?

After reading back through that interaction though, this quote makes me not want to write off BM/Momrangal just yet. It seems like he thought Italiano was getting a lot of townreads, so if he is scum it makes sense that he would hard defend Italiano there.

This is what he posts when he gets back, it has nothing to do with anything that has happened.

Lotus, you around?

As in, could I get your take on the claim? You said andres is obvtown. What's your take on the neighborizer stuff? You agree with andres that GC is possibly scum coming off that? Different take?

Lotus, you around?

As in, could I get your take on the claim? You said andres is obvtown. What's your take on the neighborizer stuff? You agree with andres that GC is possibly scum coming off that? Different take?

Well the claim is most likely real unless Datisi is his partner. It is possible that he is a scum neighborizer, but I was reading him town outside of his claim, so I'm fine with the claim.

I assumed the reason he didn't want to out who he neighborized was because he didn't want Datisi to die in the night and I don't really see a reason he would do that as scum, unless he's not really a neighborizer. When he was at e-2 and was being askeed to claim who he neighborized he wasn't cooperating, as if his goal isn't necessarily to survive. Also, neighborizer would be a foolish fakeclaim.

What do you think of Andres out of that exchange?

What do you think of Andres out of that exchange?

It's a natural reaction to be suspicious of a neighborizer claim that won't claim who they neighborized, he's fine.

It takes him being prodded about it to talk about it at all.

Is thinking Datisi would die if they were TARGETED by a neighborizor a real thought here? Also he's defending GC pretty hard here.

VOTE: Rtlotus

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And then instead of RTlotus reevaluating his reads, he keeps the same reads but starts calling it bussing

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I'm thinking Dunn and DGB/Elements are not the same alignment by looking at the vote counts.

You sure?

I'm thinking back to how Elements unvoted me when I got to l-1

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Who is the other two

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I do think it's dgb, by the way, but we don't really need to rush this

From where I'm standing, it seems very likely that someone that gc invited to the hood is scum

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Who is the other two

Who was this Q addressed to?

3336

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Between me and dats, I'm more likely scum and I'm not scum so

So you think it's dgb and vp balter?

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At the very least, its confirmed that dunn/VPB aren't scum together.

If we were, andres wouldn't have died

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I don't get that.

we didn't quickhammer you

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We should be mass claiming, by the way

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vanilla

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me: please don't speedyeet while i'm gone
y'all:

dgb, why did you hammer?

I didn't realize it was the hammer but I thought Lotus was scum. His post-hammer posts were townie though.

Who are the scum today?

You

Yesterday you were pushing me and rlotus

Today you're pushing momrangal and vp baltar?

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What is your reasoning

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I'm worried your post was a signal to your buddy that you're online.

No, and I'd still like for you to explain what you are doing

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I can't recall the last game I've seen where scum haven't had daytalk, by the way

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Maybe you and your buddy don't check the PT as often.

This is really bad

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball

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UNVOTE:

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Dunnstral isn't overly concerned about being hammered.

I don't see a game-state where you're town right now

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If you're town you shouldn't be voting three different people in limlo

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You good?

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Am I making you nervous?

I'm not sure if this is meant to imply that I'm scum but it kind of does regardless

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Everyone ask for a fast night

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my eyes are going to roll out of my head

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I am so, so heartbroken I f'd up my last game.

I am sorry, everyone.

This game wasn't your fault. The town power roles imploded - The neapolitan and loyal roaming Doctor did, which left the voyeur useless

A lot of players had really bad (accuracy-wise) reads

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Vp Baltar, you should've finished me off while you had the chance.....

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If I'm doing a read lists about now, it would look like

Town tiers

Dunn

Datisi
Green crayon

VPB

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Null

Elements
Cookie Monster
RLotus
Midway bear

Scum tires

Andre's

Maxwell

---0---

My favorite post

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Lol wtf. Why didn't you both just hammer me?

Paranoia about hidden power roles and the 1% chance we somehow fumble it up

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GG scum team.
Gutsy to claim Datisi neighborized.

Well Datisi was neighborized, and they performed theater in there before inviting momrangal

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I thought the setup was fine. Swingy if neapolitan dies first but not more so than a setup with a cop

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Subject: Mini 2195 Dead PT

UGH WHY did I fight the Dunn kill. It’s the same trick I fell for in the Large Normal against NotMafia. And it cost the Town there for a bit but I had the time at least in that game to right the ship and really help seal it. And here it might cost us the game.

oh, both of my teammates came out of the gates pushing me and they voted me to e-1... your head was in the right place