Mini Theme 2198: Animals Upick 2 [Game Over]

[PenguinPower]

Hey, all.

I’m your Inexperience-Challenged (IC) player in this game. As the IC, I have to adhere to specific guidelines as listed in Being a Good IC. In short, my job is to answer any questions you might have about game mechanics and theory; and, in doing so I will never intentionally misguide you.

However, it is important to note that I am also a player in this game, and I do have to play to achieve my win condition (wincon). I have just as much likelihood of being mafia as anybody else here.

Some links you might want to read up on first:
Glossary
Commonly Used Abbreviations
Newbie Guide
A Beginner’s Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia

There are a few key concepts to discuss before we get started to help you better understand the site meta:

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: mastina

[PenguinPower]

waaaaay too many koala gifs for my liking.

[PenguinPower]

waaaaay too many koala gifs for my liking.

this is unacceptable pengy

[PenguinPower]

grrrr.....7 seconds faster than me

[PenguinPower]

I actually had to check the thread to make sure this wasn’t the newbie queue.

Would you care to be my assistant IC this game? There are several newbies here and I would like to give them a good experience and a good education.

[PenguinPower]

RAWRRRRRRRRR

WHO DARE AWAKE THE KING OF THE JUNGLE

I DEMAND A MEAL

VOTE: PENGUIN POWER

penguins no taste good

[PenguinPower]

also, penguin picked penguin, obviously.

[PenguinPower]

It is only right, and a good, and fair thing for the IC to get run up and eliminated D1.

We must stay true to our traditions.

[PenguinPower]

Everything else is eh but also WHO TF JUST STOLE MY PAGETOP.
>:(

lol - your pagetop.

[PenguinPower]

I actually had to check the thread to make sure this wasn’t the newbie queue.

well that sounds fake as hell.
VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors

someone who obviously has never experience having an inexperience-challenged player in their games.

welcome - i am here to rectify that. what questions do you have?

[PenguinPower]

yes

[PenguinPower]

i don't like this game

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: korina

[PenguinPower]

oh

it's a real game

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

see - this is why i don't like koalawang

i got distracted by gifs and missed

my

pagetop.

[PenguinPower]

it's not a real claim

[PenguinPower]

eh - not considering the player

[PenguinPower]

I'm a rockin' robin

tweedle-lee-dee-dee

[PenguinPower]

mine

[PenguinPower]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PenguinPower]

mastina, you can be my assistant IC!

[PenguinPower]

I ALREADY USED THAT ONE THIEF

[PenguinPower]

Mine

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm

Nope

That defines the bottom of the depth.

[PenguinPower]

You should sleep

[PenguinPower]

Goodnight all

[PenguinPower]

Wth - that’s two people stealing my koala gifs

I have two scumreads whemestar.

[PenguinPower]

Er - sorry. King.

[PenguinPower]

IT IS!

[PenguinPower]

The king is smart.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - yeah - i have 2 really good scumreads so i think we’re on the same page.

Maybe you can be my assistant ic.

[PenguinPower]

the gif stealers

[PenguinPower]

Can you explain what is meant by the term FLIP to the class, boss IC?

I may hand over the reigns.

[PenguinPower]

I literally have the reigns.

*sigh*

Poor newbies will never get to understand the term flip.

[PenguinPower]

Mine

[PenguinPower]

So hostile

[PenguinPower]

Uh oh, I’ve incurred the wrath

[PenguinPower]

Eh - i didn’t know i was annoying you. I was more talking about incurring your deathtunnel even when you’re wrong.

[PenguinPower]

But thanks for letting me know i annoy you. You say that a lot!

[PenguinPower]

THAT WAS MY GIF

AHHHHHHHHH

[PenguinPower]

OFFICIAL KOALAWANG LEADERBOARD

Those who are scared of participating are likely scum!

~Pooky

I thought I had 45 points prior to my goodnight koala?

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler:

[PenguinPower]

Why would the king claim?

[PenguinPower]

Indeed.

King - sit still and quiet and enjoy watching tonight’s entertainment.

[PenguinPower]

Congratulations Penguin, a battle well fought.

tyty

[PenguinPower]

King is wondering if anyone else has no reads like the king.

King is wondering who people scumread

my townreads are scumreading Mastjna so I’m happy with this

[PenguinPower]

hmmm

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

Someone still needs to tell me what is meant by "flip" and why it's in the vc.

[PenguinPower]

I simply assumed it was the variation of elimination and role reveal used by our moderator.

hmm...seems too obvious

++ic points for you though.

[PenguinPower]

Someone still needs to tell me what is meant by "flip" and why it's in the vc.

Maybe mod can clarify that?

I would thought the king would be able to clarify anything.

[PenguinPower]

who are your tr's btw?

[PenguinPower]

so, question: why town godfather?

like, coroner for dog makes sense, since you bury a body in a hole, and dogs dig holes, so it'd make sense i'd dig up our last elim, but how does someone who appears innocent while being scum make sense for a snow leopard?

Setup Stuff
Does flavor have an effect? Maybe?

My flavor does not have a connection to my role (well - maybe a little but that’s a stretch).

[PenguinPower]

i'm literally trying to figure out in what universe a town godfather makes sense.

This will be role madness with no vanilla town or mafia goon roles.

probably some number of red herrings.

[PenguinPower]

@penguin, you said your ability was a stretch. are you able to at least figure out some train of thought/logic that would've lead krazy to your ability? yes or no?

There is no connection between my animal and my ability.

[PenguinPower]

That’s why said it was a stretch...one could make that connection if they tried.

[PenguinPower]

No thoughts on anyone else in the game?

What’s the text supposed to be after the dash for the King?

[PenguinPower]

Still trying to sort them out.

Just that he seems to be skating by on day 1 with a gimmick and seems to be trying to fly under the radar imho. Its a light scum lean

You realize post restriction may or may not be a thing?

That seems like a very weak reason to have someone at the bottom of your reads.

[PenguinPower]

Mod confirmed our role was real.

Tbf - mod confirmed koalawang was real. We don’t actually know your role.

Anciliarry: do you have to follow my vote or are you stuck for the day on korina?

[PenguinPower]

I don’t remember saying that the king had one.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin can you answer the kings question

Which one? Thought i had.

[PenguinPower]

Mod confirmed our role was real.

Tbf - mod confirmed koalawang was real. We don’t actually know your role.

Anciliarry: do you have to follow my vote or are you stuck for the day on korina?

We are only leashed to the vote you made at the time Koalawang ended so yes, we are effectively treestumped for today.

And, you had no idea prior to the competition ending? I think I saw you say that.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - I answered that king.

[PenguinPower]

eh - that's all just wifom and you don't know with certainty why the game state is what it is.

the fact is this is a krazy animal game and there are bound to be shenanigans. your claim isn't ai on face value. you using it to push you being conftown is gross though.

[PenguinPower]

lol - ok noraa

[PenguinPower]

PP what read do have that you think I would disagree the most with

I think it's funny you think I have any solid reads at this point. What are yours currently? I'll give it my best shot at answering.

[PenguinPower]

pretty sure Penguin is scum for even producing content this early just saying.

Unless your name is skitteR, northsidegal, or cheekyteeky don't pretend you can read me.

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower will be amused to learn I was around at the time of 2of4 newbie setups, and was in one of the initial games of that setup.

[PenguinPower]

i'm honored that you are attempting to read my alignment via a tell that you used to read a cheater who circumvented site rules.

truly.

[PenguinPower]

mine

[PenguinPower]

because your tells are shit and i don't wish to get in a protracted 1 on 1 with you.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Penguin Power

Penguin is back on the menu for the King

remember when you asked me to answer a question i already answered? good times.

i'd like for you to answer one that you never did.

King is wondering if anyone else has no reads like the king.

King is wondering who people scumread

my townreads are scumreading Mastjna so I’m happy with this

who are your tr's btw?

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - what S&M said about the penalty for breaking post restrictions is accurate.

[PenguinPower]

mine

[PenguinPower]

Penguins whole reaction to Nora push seemed way over the top and fake to me.
I think town has weak roles this game and that makes me think SAMs role would fit as scum

Are you serious?

methinks you’ve never seen me actually go off then.

[PenguinPower]

Penguins whole reaction to Nora push seemed way over the top and fake to me.
I think town has weak roles this game and that makes me think SAMs role would fit as scum

Are you serious?

methinks you’ve never seen me actually go off then.

Kingthinks ive only played with you like once and I dont remember it

The IC thinks you’re full of shit then.

[PenguinPower]

Ah - no - wrt you opinion of my reaction.

I’m not sure how many games we’ve played together tbh. I’ve probably modded more.

[PenguinPower]

Oooh - nice

[PenguinPower]

To recognize your failings is kingly indeed.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: rathe

[PenguinPower]

why?

[PenguinPower]

There will be no mafia traitor.

[PenguinPower]

^
can we yeet this pls

[PenguinPower]

Ill pass

[PenguinPower]

no no no - to be on the same page i need you to copy/paste the below

Code: Select all

[vote]Rathe[/vote]

[PenguinPower]

good

[PenguinPower]

the code should work well then

[PenguinPower]

feels good to be so charismatic

[PenguinPower]

My problem is that I don't SR whemestar so my other solve stands more firmly but we'll see.

i thought you did sr whemestar....when did that change?

[PenguinPower]

Isn't using a whole toolkit better in the end rather than just one tool? Everything can be manipulated.

[PenguinPower]

You and TFL should at least be voting.

[PenguinPower]

oooh shiny new vanity wagon

ok

[PenguinPower]

what do you like about rathe?

[PenguinPower]

mmmm

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: battle mage

[PenguinPower]

hmmm

[PenguinPower]

Subtle can you explain your vote. It seems opportunistic. Why are you voting BM here?

How is it opportunistic?

[PenguinPower]

1) they jumped on a quick wagon
2) they have not explained why as far as I know
3) the voted Rathe which seems like an easy mislynch

That all applies to me as well. Why didn't you say my vote was opportunistic?

[PenguinPower]

don't like it - why?

[PenguinPower]

and on a similar point, why were people giving Rathe shit for not saying much, when I said fk all?

Because he was actively refusing to.

[PenguinPower]

possibly - but i'm fine yeeting it either way

[PenguinPower]

no

re-read the lead up and ask me again if you still don't get it

you have to put in some effort

[PenguinPower]

sneaked on the wagon? it was started by ss?

[PenguinPower]

mine

[PenguinPower]

no

re-read the lead up and ask me again if you still don't get it

you have to put in some effort

nah you're just trolling, you do you

i'm actually not but ok

[PenguinPower]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

That would imply mastina scum

[PenguinPower]

bullshit

both wagons were pushed to be a direct counterwagon to mastina. for scum to hop from one town wagon to the other would imply they don't want the mastina wagon to go through. they have no reason to do so otherwise because mastina is the top wagon with 2 days left.

try again.

[PenguinPower]

yes yes - scum want to call attention to themselves hopping between two town wagons when the top wagon is on town.

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower probably trolls me here regardless of alignment, but the lack of explanation for anything doesn't look good.

i haven't trolled you yet

kindly fuck off

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower probably trolls me here regardless of alignment, but the lack of explanation for anything doesn't look good.

i haven't trolled you yet

kindly fuck off

Please do not use abusive language towards me.

Please stop misrepping me.

[PenguinPower]

I don't explain my votes, but I have told you how you can understand it.

I don't really care to help you further.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not trolling you. You saying I am is a misrep. If you're going to continue to do it, then you can kindly fuck off.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

I legit have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to think we're a lot more familiar with each other than we are.

[PenguinPower]

My comment had nothing to do with you understanding my meta (which - lol - again, unless you are skitteR, cheeky, or nsg you give yourself too much credit) and everything to do with you saying that I know you're notoriously easy to rile up and your weak insult following

[PenguinPower]

selective examples - target me tonight then idfc

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower-town is defacto town leader and lots of examples of scumhunting and actively pushing for people to EXPLAIN THINGS. This in the context of a game where the mechanic made it risky for town to explain too much. PenguinPower was a dominant presence, putting meaningful pressure on people (not just naked voting).

i just skimmed this game - are we reading the same game or our you on something?

[PenguinPower]

for thread (and my) health i'm just gonna disengage with bm

[PenguinPower]

If you can't avoid saying mean things to me, is it really that difficult to just leave me alone?

or this but whatever - that's a gross spin to make when i'm trying to listen to your request when I feel you're doing nothing but making bad faith arguments.

[PenguinPower]

y is it so different with mastina i think they r mafia

i know i am town so mastina and battle mage r town too

wait - wut?

do you think mastina is town or scum?

[PenguinPower]

huh

[PenguinPower]

so - you still think mastina is scum?

[PenguinPower]

So proud - this is a good mod

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - I disagree with and don’t understand the wheme thing

[PenguinPower]

I think both Subtle and Penguin need to explain their vote on BM. If Power or Subtle is town not explaining their vote is being anti town imho.

My vote has been explained.

[PenguinPower]

Since when did towns get so needy?

[PenguinPower]

Then vote someone? Why are you waiting?

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Remember when you said I was town? That was fun.

[PenguinPower]

Convenient progression.

VOTE: korina

[PenguinPower]

I don’t think that it’s ai and I’m not a fan of the contribution today.

[PenguinPower]

I also think that i can sort mastina better than korina

[PenguinPower]

Good talk

[PenguinPower]

You think Korina is lying about the coroner claim?

Just calling this out for later in case I go to sleep and can no longer post - but your thoughts on the korina/whemestar claims are very weird given your stance on korina and wheme with the later retraction of korina.

Your having lots of townreads and shifting them around without much explanation besides POE and strength is weird as well.

If I’m not dead for whatever reason - probably gonna look into you.

[PenguinPower]

I think it’s weird that you think that both claims are ai as town and yet kept korina in your pool as a possible elim until...oh....right when i asked you to vote.

[PenguinPower]

I think you’re extremely naive if you think roles in this game are going to help you ascertain alignment tbh

[PenguinPower]

Cool story

[PenguinPower]

I think with the claims and <15 hours left with an apathetic town you are more likely to hit a beneficial role but keep at it.

[PenguinPower]

Like wheme is a claimed janitor and you’re saying “if there is a janitor” but lumping them both as town...

[PenguinPower]

Riiiiight - because wheme is obviously a compulsive janitor and korina is a compulsive coroner and there exists no blocking roles in mafia at all.

Meanwhile - actual investigative and protective roles exist, but let’s push through a wagon on a potential beneficial role who likely won’t be able to claim with the time remaining.

Sound plan.

[PenguinPower]

Your logic makes no sense with wheme’s claim.

[PenguinPower]

Cool - going to sleep now.

[PenguinPower]

Riiiiight - because wheme is obviously a compulsive janitor and korina is a compulsive coroner and there exists no blocking roles in mafia at all.

Meanwhile - actual investigative and protective roles exist, but let’s push through a wagon on a potential beneficial role who likely won’t be able to claim with the time remaining.

Sound plan.

I’m no compuslive sorry for enough been drink I all night long I’m so sorry

It was sarcasm.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: tfl

[PenguinPower]

sigh

No one has claimed compulsive. It was sarcasm directed at Raya in reply to her logic.

[PenguinPower]

Hi - we have like 4 hours left before a no elim which would not be great. You and mastina are the leading wagons - I assume you don’t want to vote for yourself.

Can you get off battle mage and onto a wagon that has a chance of going through before deadline.

Plskthx.

[PenguinPower]

It is me personal opinion, that in the little time we have available to us we need to compromise and quickly.

I am willing to exile April, Tigger and Wheme. The reasons being "whom?", "By the heavens, stop bouncing!", and "janitor", respectively.

I do not see how a janitor can be a role that is town aligned.

I'm willing to eliminate April.

VOTE: April

This is a bad vote. We have <4 hours left with half the players not even here and you think you are going to push through a brand new wagon?

[PenguinPower]

Huh, is something going on with MS making people double post

You were the first double post. TFL had like 30 seconds between their “double post”

[PenguinPower]

Hmm - starting to mindmeld with noraa.

[PenguinPower]

woooo

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

I look forward to fun

[PenguinPower]

Can we elim BM today?

That would be nice.

[PenguinPower]

vry nice

[PenguinPower]

I literally posted a picture of a flame here, as about as unsubtle of a "I'm a phoenix" 'crumb you can get.

could you explain what you mean by - and how that is - a crumb?

[PenguinPower]

I'm going to hold off until everyone checks in - but I'll be sure to gif post afterward.

Am I even eligible to win again?

[PenguinPower]

Now before I read the day, I wish to simply state that PenguinPower is the greatest listmod on mafiascum! Such a mighty role of preparing the newbies for their first game upon our great site is one worthy of recognition.

Awww...thank you. <3

[PenguinPower]

Dafuq? We’re mod confirmed.

You're modconfirmed town? Where did this happen?

[PenguinPower]

They're claiming a guilty on you...seem brazen to do as scum with a D1 scum elim.

[PenguinPower]

Cool but they haven't really said anything yet

I mean - they've said they have a guilty. That's something.

[PenguinPower]

If MHTP got any results last night they can tell us about them

Otherwise, it's all whatever

Your loyalty was tested, and you failed the test.

[PenguinPower]

it's a weirdly specific phrase in mafia

but sure - let's get clarity

[PenguinPower]

Oh before I read and no doubt get distracted again, my ultility is spent and I will fullclaim.

I am a Dormouse; a 1-shot combined loyal neighbouriser and compulsive hider, Smoke and Mirrors was my target last night, I have had no response from my action. My understanding of my role PM is that I will resolve before all other actions.

I can confirm this.

I thought you were targeting me.

[PenguinPower]

NAR 1 is presumably before roleblocks. If S&M was untargetable, surely they would have said?

NAR Priority Ranking: Lower # = resolves earlier, i.e. 1 = resolves first, 13 = resolves last.

This is ONLY to resolve NAR conflicts

(i.e. Sticky Fruit Vendor vs. Rolestopper), otherwise NAR resolves according to conventional NAR standards.
Your NAR Priority Ranking is: 5

[PenguinPower]

I was going to - then I changed my mind because I was already convinced of you being scum.

mmhmmm

[PenguinPower]

I AM THE GREATEST LISTMOD!

[PenguinPower]

there, i claimed

[PenguinPower]

now i'm doubly sour

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower, mostly unclaimed (presumably)

I claimed D1 and today. One person here knows my role as well.

[PenguinPower]

Of course.

[PenguinPower]

I literally posted a picture of a flame here, as about as unsubtle of a "I'm a phoenix" 'crumb you can get.

could you explain what you mean by - and how that is - a crumb?

Mastina - could you please answer this?

[PenguinPower]

Manipulative/blocking roles?

[PenguinPower]

I just wanted your definition of crumb

[PenguinPower]

Ah - the loyal neighborizer role...can really screw things up for scum when you’re townreading them, eh, mastina?

[PenguinPower]

I still stand by killing S&M today because that clears two slots, and gives information.
I think we just take today to discuss then, yea?

Yes - that has been the general consensus sans S&M since all this started.

[PenguinPower]

Hmm

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm

[PenguinPower]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

I reaaallly want to yeet this

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

If you would like to provide your definition of crumb for the newbies I would gladly take you on as an assistant IC. There's never enough help.

[PenguinPower]

thank you for your valuable assistance.

[PenguinPower]

Open invitation?

[PenguinPower]

So @Penguin, let’s see if you can top that and you can win the first non-existent LET’s HAVE FUN TROLLING NANCY PRIZE. I believe in you dude. Let’s see you top that extremely stiff competition.

[PenguinPower]

'cus they're trolls...get it?

[PenguinPower]

no way

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

it all makes sense now

[PenguinPower]

is just that the thing that I was (kind of) crumbing makes sense now?

^

[PenguinPower]

seems so

[PenguinPower]

The king says let’s vote out April

Why?

Town loses nothing by lynching them

Slot should be replaced by now tbh

[PenguinPower]

well - given the current mechanics that's not going to happen today

[PenguinPower]

well - given the current mechanics that's not going to happen today

What’s the current mechanics

...the guilty...

[PenguinPower]

well - given the current mechanics that's not going to happen today

What’s the current mechanics

...the guilty...

Will you vote April if I say I’ll shoot smoke

Not today - no.

[PenguinPower]

ok

[PenguinPower]

like - why wouldn't you just shoot April?

[PenguinPower]

like - why wouldn't you just shoot April?

King thinks it’s better to elim scum so I won’t have to shoot town

This doesn't answer my question at all...

[PenguinPower]

Like even if the guilty is real idrc because we know they’re role and it literally is useless for scum

We don't know their role though...we know what they have said their role is. And, we have to get rid of scum to win...so with a mechanical guilty, that has to be resolved.

Again, why not just elim S&M (the guilty) and shoot April (your scumread)?