Micro 1018: The King's New Robes | Game Over

[Enchant]

Mafia Actress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic, Vanilla Townie x5
Mafia Seamstress, Mafia Actress, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x2, Vanilla Townie x4
Mafia Seamstress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x3, Vanilla Townie x3


Standart is 5 VT, Town Mystic, Town Bried and 2 Mafia Members.

On random, Mafia Member could be either Actress or Seamstress. For every Seamstress, one VT replaced with Oracle.

Any more questions?

[Enchant]

Actress visit people and get suit of this role.
Seamstress visit people and give them suit. Target knows it.


This suit will have some "Role" like, if Actress visit VT, then Actress will get "VT Suit" or so.
If person have suit, when his role should reveal, "Suit" role reveal instead.

ERGO: If we lynch Actress with VT Suit, she will flip as VT.

[Enchant]

In more simple words, suit is simple disguise as that role for all checks and flips.

[Enchant]

I didn't get suit. You should claim if you have any, because here no reason to not.

[Enchant]

me neither. Why do you think scum claim their suit?

Seamstress can give suit for other players, disguising them.

[Enchant]

About game. I have urge to put Not_Mafia on E-1 to see, if he will manage to selfhammer with his "I CLAIM JESTER" post.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Enchant]

okay, so you're saying if I get the suit and I should claim it here because that would clear me as town? Is that your logic?

You should, because:
1. If you remain silent about suit and get revealed by bride/mystic, good luck proving you are not mafia member, just disguised as them.
2. It actually helps to figure setup.

[Enchant]

It doesn't prove anything, expect for possibility of seamstress and explaination why person reveals as not role what they claim.

I suggest to not fit your head with mech here and use something other to murder mafia, because almost all checks are worthless here, if mafia any smart.

[Enchant]

I think:
1. We should massclaim
2. Decide, who Bride should marry.

[Enchant]

If everyone agree, then yes.

I agree for massclaim.

[Enchant]

They won't. They already know setup.

[Enchant]

I believe we massclaiming.

I am Oracle, targeted Not_Mafia.

Gonna catch up.

[Enchant]

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

Everyone here are town or mafia. Why write it?

Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Yeah, her busywork/lamist ignorance/seriousness towards VFP's joke post all seem scummy.
But is any of that AI? Do you have other reasons?

If it's scummy to you, why you're waiting for others' opinions instead of voting?

VOTE: Rockhopper

~

Faria

I can't get why Rockhopper was voted in this post.
Literally, he agreed and asked if this is really enough, and get accused in not voting.

Also, it always good to hear other people opinions. Idk, team game, and all? Why even accuse in that.

i was pushing the game to move forward.

And scum!you can never do that?

~

Faria

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Based (no).
... Idk, maybe i am idiot who still trying to use common sense here, while need to use heart, but what the fuck.

Also Rockhopper is probably scum but that depends on the scumteams experience and knowledge of mech.

I am not sure about Rockhopper expireince, but assuming mafia plays this game effectively, then it's strange how he got suit and why.

So this is what I'm thinking.

Decide on the 2 scum looking players.
Lim the scummier one, propose to the second summoner one.

Obviously everyone has a townlock on me so I'm all good.
T3 is obviously town here.

So maybe we should list our town to scum list and compare?

Actually good plan, and i agree with that.

What's the scumslip that would need a fake gamma post covering it up, I don't see it.

@rockhop - why didn't you claim your suit earlier on? It's kind of weird I'm the first one asking this

-hop

Hmmm

Rock indeed posted about how he can't understand this game.

Even then, recieved suit and didn't ask what it do from mod/didn't search in posts? Why i have feeling you just faking it?

Enchant's posting thusfar fills me with less excitement and wonder than their name led me to expect and i want to submit a complaint

-Hop

You can send any complaints to magic academy. Have nice day.

But I seriously feel that has happened.

It's possible, but Gamma was also online around the time of the post... So would have been easier for scum Gamma to just post anyway...

You need to read my scum games then.

~

Faria

Love for spamming gifs and moon logic points that's Salsabil, who have "Interesting" plays as mafia, which is impossible to comprehend.
She is less active as mafia as i remember. Idk.

Dw, your purple text is distinctive enough to tell

Atleast it doesh't hurt eyes... Like from previous games.

Why not? Anything to do with her joining date?
~

Faria

Fuck.

[Enchant]

Sorry, Salsa, when you ask question like these i firstly assume this is joke.

And then i realise, you are serious with them.

[Enchant]

Which one?

[Enchant]

Why you think scum will refuse?

[Enchant]

I really need to remind about suit mechanic?

[Enchant]

Lovely. Fine.


We have 3 possible setups here.

1. Actress+Actress. Then mafia can't give suits for town, but impossible to detect via mechanics. If Rock is not mafia, then this setup is impossible.
2. Actress+Seamstress. I believe this is case. Actress disguised self, Seamstress gived suit for Rock. Then half of mafia disguised here.
3. Seamstress+Seamstress. I think in this case, mafia would just disguise each other as they please, not giving suit for town. I also can't notice 3+ Oracle claims, but probably not all claimed yet. I will consider this setup again when all claim.

Ergo, it's easy for mafia to fool mariage/oracles and only way is to blast suspicious people.

[Enchant]

So Bride can confirm self.

Sad, but true.

[Enchant]

So Bride can confirm self.

Sad, but true.

But no CC means they are confirmed anyway.
Just seems a bit if a waste or pointless aspect to the role.

I know. You can read setup discussion and realise Mod was warned about issue where Bride is simple Innocent Child with benefits.

[Enchant]

I am here, reading.

[Enchant]

I just ask directly.

If you are Mystic, but decide to claim VT, stop being dumb and claim immediately. There's literally no benefit in hiding.

Rock, did you lie about suit and why?

[Enchant]

I just ask directly.

If you are Mystic, but decide to claim VT, stop being dumb and claim immediately. There's literally no benefit in hiding.

Rock, did you lie about suit and why?

Yeah, to confuse scum. I'm a VT with no suit.

In a world where I actually do have a seamstress suit, and the mafia are {actress, seamstress} - a good assumption to make since 2 seamstresses would prolly give each other suits to avoid being caught by a possible proposal, or would otherwise attract too much attention with a seamstress suit claim based on the fact that having 2 undisguised seamstresses is very -ev for scum - why would it be dumb for the second mystic to hide? It's better to be an IC with the activated modifier than without.

What you mean by "Activated" modifier and what benefit Mystic have with no-claim?

[Enchant]

I’m the mystic actually

Target?

[Enchant]

Always wondered if my mum is mafia member, ty.

[Enchant]

Call me Oracle, it's more fitting me. Mystic is cursed.


I am not joking around, i asked who he targeted. What i supposed to do also?

[Enchant]

Call me Oracle, it's more fitting me. Mystic is cursed.


I am not joking around, i asked who he targeted. What i supposed to do also?

I don't know, vote him maybe? + this game is going so slow and scums are having benefit for this imo, I don’t want to lose this game also, my town luck is being very bad these days

1. I didn't unvote him from start of game.
2. There's possible other Oracles around. It means he could be legit.
3. Haste doesn't benefit town in most cases.

[Enchant]

I won’t claim exactly who I targeted, but it was someone in the non-suited VT claims

I have questions, how many times town killed you, before they tired from trolling and stopped doing so?

Really wondering. Why you hide target?

[Enchant]

How many times you was killed, before everyone realised your anti-town behavior can't be fixed? NM, i really asking.

About oracles and suits. We have two oracle claims and only suit claim said he lied. So we in Actress+Actress or Seamstress+Actress, unless someone also claim Oracle.

If we in Actress+Actress, then NM is mafia almost certanly, because only one "Mystic" possible. It actually smart move for mafia to claim Oracle in this situation to prevent "Only Oracle Claim" from confirmation.
Seamstress+Actress. I am not sure. Probably, Actress would disguise self and Seamstress claim "Suit", so she can't be found, or do nothing.
Seamstress+Seamstress have nothing to fear, they simple disguise self. But there's only 2 Oracles, so it's not a case.


You probably see pattern, seamstress have no reason to visit town regardless of setup, because it gives away info about setup and could tip exact number of oracles, while not giving any benefits.


TLDR: NM either mafia who claimed Oracle so I can't be confirmed as only claim, or real Oracle (in which i somehow starting stop to believe) and we in Seamstress+Actress world.

[Enchant]

Hm.

We could eluminate me. Then role of NM will be revealed. If he is Seamstress, he couldn't just disguise self. If he is Actress, he needed to target me to disguise as oracle, and most likely he didn't and have disguise of VT.

[Enchant]

I am here. Reading.

[Enchant]

Sorry, but i am bad with quotes.


"Is this a joke? Is there a role as Oracle? Can you please clarify your claim?"

Mystic

Oracle. Targeted NM.

"This doesn't make any sense."

You disagree with me or simple didn't understand? If first, tell why, if second, i could clarify.

"Mostly but he claims a suit. Can we really lynch him?"

He claimed suit, but called it back when there's only one Oracle claimed, because it's impossible.

I can't see motivation to lie about suit as town. I also doesh't see motivation to lie about it as mafia and then backing off, because how suicidal that is.

"Why don't i believe you. Can you please be honest NM?"

Bruh, it's easy to explain. He literally going for Jester win condition. I can't exactly tell if he is mafia or not, it's hard to understand trollers.

"Based on that assumption, there would have to be another oracle if NM is telling the truth since {seamstress,seamstress} is the only logical scenario where no town gets a suit if I'm not wrong."

Seamstress from Seamstress+Actress would do nothing to give wrong impression about setup and not giving away how many town oracles are here.

"All shit with NM and Mystics"

Arc seems to have already decided on setup we have, which is mafia luxory here.

[Enchant]

Targeted ActionDan.

NM is not mafia, because he didn't shot anyone. He is also not Oracle, because there should be reveal. Of course it's possible he is mafia/Oracle who decided to do nothing... Do you believe NM will not shoting when he can and not using ability when he can? Don't answer on this one, and assume him as VT.

[Enchant]

Targeted ActionDan.

NM is not mafia, because he didn't shot anyone. He is also not Oracle, because there should be reveal. Of course it's possible he is mafia/Oracle who decided to do nothing... Do you believe NM will not shoting when he can and not using ability when he can? Don't answer on this one, and assume him as VT.

The role pm states that scum on death

may

use their 1 shot vengeful ability, no?
{Arc, NM} is still possible because scum choosing seamstress just to confuse town with an extra oracle seems unlikely, with the potential briding element.
Does NM usually fakeclaim as town just for the lulz?

Yes. I simple doesh't believe NM would ignore his chance to shot someone. If he IS mafia, then by not shoting he harmed mafia faction by not killing Bride and suggest for remaining mafia member to surrender.

This is first time he actually fakeclaim, i think.

[Enchant]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

[Enchant]

I believe Seamstress can't selftarget.


Arc very likely are Actress here.

Fakeclaiming before proposal and then "claiming true role" after with this excuse is what i expect from mafia who unlucky with visits and got simple VT suit which would give them away if proposal was made to them.

[Enchant]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

why are you still considering NM as possible scum?

-Hop

Scum only with Arc.

That's the only reason I can think of for why she would have done that as scum.
And I don't really believe her claim because I find it unlikely that the setup is {actress,seamstress}

Possible we have this.


We in Actress+Actress world, which include only one Oracle (me).

When NM claimed Oracle, mafia already assumed him as fake one, because of how this was ugly. It doesh't need to put any effort to actually claim Oracle, call NM liar (which is in fact truth) and push him to death, without so many suspicious. Even if plan somehow fails, there's no way to disapprove Arc-claim mechanically, as there's possible up to 3 Oracles, and also it gives town-points for "Oh she CCed him, why would mafia do that". It explains why Arc was so confident NM is lying.


Arc, who you suspect and why?

[Enchant]

Arc, why you targeted me?

[Enchant]

Bride is obviously town. How are you not aware of this? and what is there to overlook here?
I don't recall why I didn't bold the 3 mystics, I thought I did but I did mention it in my post. It was not intentional.

To rephrase the first part - the bride being 100% meaning 100% accurate. Since you said our role was confirmed by the mod either you didn't realize how the bride worked at this point, or were pretending you didn't
Second part - Notmafia/i think others mentioned this yesterday as a sus point. bolding the 2 mystics as TMIing the setup which fits with being confident on NM being scum (i don't get the read)

Scum have a strong incentive to do what you did (claiming VT prior to the bride then claiming mystic to widen that pool) which is why you should care about the bride's action as town - because if you're town you should know mafia would do what you're currently doing to advance their interests

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you didn't counterclaim because you were clear that 3 oracles could exist. it's only a counterclaim if your roles can't exist together.i am clearly aware of what you claim was about
oracle is what Enchant wanted us to call mystic

-Hop

Who are you again

[Enchant]

Arc, why you targeted me?

Because you're scum.

Since day 1, you are doing everything but scum hunting.

Another reason why Arc is not real Oracle. Because in this situation, using ability on other Oracle claim is bad move. I know you are Oracle OR Actress (who visited me and now will have disguise in case i target you), so it's waste and doesh't prove anything. You probably will say the same.

You didn't put many thoughts in who you point as your target, are you? Do you even read ability of other roles, before claim as them?

[Enchant]

No. Again.

Either we have Oracle+Actress situation or Oracle+Oracle. Actress had 1n for disguise, and all roles are known, so she could pretend as anyone she please. So if Arc thought i am mafia, well, yes, she could, but it's again pointless move which does nothing and she should knew that as Oracle.

If we are in Oracle+Oracle, then there's Seamstress hiding and she can't disguise self, so we can actually catch her with reveal.

[Enchant]

Hm. I have idea.

Let Arc live for a night. In case we are wrong, and she is town, she will reveal one person as not Seamstress (revealing me is waste). If she is mafia, she dying anyway, so...

[Enchant]

We need to leash ArcAngel9 in case we going with my idea and not lynch her today.

Who you think could be seamstress if any?

[Enchant]

Don't hammer.

If she is somehow town it's waste.

[Enchant]

We need to leash ArcAngel9 in case we going with my idea and not lynch her today.

Who you think could be seamstress if any?

Can you do anything else apart talking about setup?
All you do is talk about setup and branding yourself as pro-town.

What are scum reads and give reasons on why you think they are scum!

Aw shit. Here we go again. If i say no, will you be pissed?


You are most likely mafia, because it really looks like you using garbage excuses for fakeclaiming and then suddenly knowing who is real Oracle and who is not. Your attlitude doesh't help, because i see this as manipulating in hopes everyone think you are angry townie.

I don't know who is second honestly. Everyone else looks fairly townie for me, expect for Nancy-Lurker (which doesh't point anything town could lurk) and Rockhopper who fakeclaimed suit and retracted it later.

[Enchant]

Because i can be wrong. If she is town, it's waste of Oracle ability on reveal, which doesh't prove anything.

[Enchant]

T3 you disagree with my reasoning? Why?

[Enchant]

I targeted Rockhopper.

Arc?

[Enchant]

I targeted Rockhopper, because if you are town, he is most likely not.

You seems had same thoughts, which is interesting.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Rockhopper

[Enchant]

do you want to explain what you mean by calling me a lurker btw, i've made like 40 posts in this hydra
really didn't like this sus thrown at me

-Hop

Spoiler:

Simple forgot you are part of hydra. If you dislike this, well, don't play as hydra.

i also found it weird you just voted Rock instead of sticking to Arc if you thought Arc was most likely and had Rock as a possible second. what changed to make Arc less good of a pick and/or Rock more?

-Hop

I put thought in it, and decided risk doesh't worth. She have potential to turn in confirmed town with me, if we find and lynch Seamstress AND potential to turn confirmed mafia if we find and lynch Actress. It's simple more benefiting to find other mafia and end this game.

Yes. Again talking about setup.

[Enchant]

Enchant's towngame is way worse than his scumgame.

Idk. I think it's more bad towns. I am bad at being mafia and town equally.

I don’t know what to think. Obviously Rock is wrong to think we’re scum but his reads’ progression on us could be townie.

I still don’t understand why town!NM fakeclaims Mystic?

NM is troller.
Rock is hard case indeed. I can't understand what "Mystic" activated Child means.

[Enchant]

Future me, you played great.

Pink played so good, he was shot instead of T3.

Either way, that was awesome, even if i forced to throw this game out. Sorry for that.