Mini 2231: Radio Buzz | Game Over!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

enh i hate rereading

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i might even be ok with everyone holstering cuz this gun thing feels like a trap somehow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean it is the weekend

also sure, i do that too
but like she was posting elsewhere and she was obviously following enough here so

pedit i dont know if that's necessarily a bad thing?

ok yea i thought she was just taking a break until she showed up again >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol ok

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who do you want to kill again ydra?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok it sounds kinda compulsive i guess ill ask the mod

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont fucking know

i dont care

lol mood

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok yea it is compulsive :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ugh i have another thought abt ydra but i'm worried it's a little mean so i'm not sure if i should say it or not

if you're worried it's mean you probably shouldn't say it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well if people want a team solve, I think I have one now.

I think I heard an Angel sing in the distance

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would galron shoot shiki if shiki is 85% convinced kyouko is a wolf and wants to push her on d2?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i might even be ok with everyone holstering cuz this gun thing feels like a trap somehow

it's already been established to be compulsive
and you have a gun so how are you this far out of the loop?

my memory is shitty due to chronic alcohol abuse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well, Galron knew shiki was a PR, right? I've seen plenty of scumteams that aim for PR's and universal townreads without caring about their reads, because reads can change.

she was a neighborizer who neighborized him and was solving with him in the PT and said she wanted to push Kyouko, I don't see why he would shoot her when he spends a weekend solving the game with her in the PT?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok yea it is compulsive :3

there ya go
curious what your thoughts are on some...other topic involving the guns now

i still wanna kill the people i think r scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't understand why you think town!me who thinks you're scum would want you to survive to night in order to shoot someone with your gun

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gnight

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't understand why you think town!me who thinks you're scum would want you to survive to night in order to shoot someone with your gun

I assume that's because you haven't actually read anything I've written.

that's more or less true

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how does Galron know he can add people to Shiki's PT before he shoots her?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm

back

(due to MT yelling at me)

I am sad you don't enjoy playing with us :<

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I lied! Scum are NOT able to use any abilities, factional or otherwise, if they have a gun. That’s why I’d felt okay trying to plan out usage of them to the degree I did initially. If one or both scum got a gun, they wouldn’t be able to screw with anyone else’s ability to use their guns.
All the other gunners could have asked about this themselves and found out about the lie, but either they knew and didn’t let on, or just took my word for it. My base inclination is to think scum with guns would have double checked my claim, so this IMO points to both scum being outside the gunners.
I have to go to bed soon so I’m not gonna take any action yet but I think voting one of the non-gunners, probably Galron, is going to be the move I most want to make today.

I don't understand this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I didn't even read your post the first time so I didn't check with the mod, nor did I really remember the part in the PM that said I have to shoot someone and I can't do anything else until I like reread it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my memory is basically shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't get why you think everyone with a gun is innocent can you make it simpler for me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean the notification PM makes it quite clear this is not automatic one shot vig territory

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

People with a gun would have been able to see the part that looked suspicious, question the mod about it, and determine my claim was an inversion of the truth
While you might not have done so yourself I still expect your scum buddy to have brought it up unless it was someone like Ydrasse (who was basically AWOL at the time I made the fictitious claim)

ok but if a scum did that why would the scum bring it up?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if I was scum with skitter I'd already be dead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think a scum would tell you you're wrong because it would be straight up scum claiming?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if I was scum with skitter I'd already be dead

lol how

Every time I roll scum with her I die d1 or d2.

Most of the time I die on d1.

It's like magic because I almost never die on d1 as scum usually.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and she just mostly laughs at me and goes "rofl not this shit again"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter I would like to provide you with this cool chart thing for reading me because you seem confused rn.

remember this cool chart.

its very accurate.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

extraneous circumstances? I'm not actually arguing that it's possible, I'm just debating your logic that you'd somehow be dead simply because skitter is scum with you. Has she been an active part of why you've died early on in games where you've been scum with her?

oh I wasn't even using it as logic, more of a joke really

You don't have to take everything I say very seriously.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wouldn't say she's an active part of why I die very quickly when I'm scum with her.

It's probably a cruel twist of fate.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am glad you can find humor in me flailing and dying :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I really doubt Skitter is scum here

if she's fooled me for the first time ever im v impressed :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what are your thoughts wrt the vote movement rn?

I still think SS/Enchant was Scum/Scum.

I believe the third scum is in Kyouko/Ceph

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I can also see a world in which Kyouko/Ceph r scum together and SS is just inno but this is a lot harder for me to get to :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: for Ydra

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I can also see a world in which Kyouko/Ceph r scum together and SS is just inno but this is a lot harder for me to get to :/

oh wait I forgot Ceph FN'd SS..

I guess Ceph/Kyouko can't be a thing!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- I'm not sure, but I don't have any reason to believe Galron was solely responsible for dictating the NK. If we were hunting the last scum right now, not the last 2, this would be worth looking into, but we have an unknown entity involved

ok but if you're town, then there's no incentive for Scum!Galron to kill Shiki when she's going to push you on D2?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It feels like you are really stretching for things that don't make sense in order to maintain your SR on Galron

why do you think he is scum again?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Maybe her next strongest SR is actually scum!Galron's buddy.

in the PT she mentions you at 85% scum and she thinks its possible that SS/Enchant was S/S.

Do you think Galron is protecting SS?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're assuming that the only factor that went in to the decision to kill Rousseau was her read on me. That's just a faulty assumption and any conclusions drawn from it are inherently going to be inaccurate.

I'm assuming she recruited Galron to her hood because she trusted him.

Their conversation in the hood is pretty good.

I am assuming Galron would not shoot someone who has fairly good thread control, universally townread and who also happens to

trust him

enough to recruit her into a hood to solve with her.

because that just seems like really bad idea to me.

I also don't believe he would put that much effort into solving with her overnight in a hood if he was planning on shooting her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mayb it’s galron and kyouko

why would Kyouko spend so much time trying to yeet Galron if she's scum with him?

Wouldn't it be easier for her to just shove SS and have me shot overnight when he townflips?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im sorry its too early in the morning i havent actually woken up yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

am i being a grouch ydra?

you should kick my butt if im being too serious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Galron would tell the third scum what Rosseau is saying in the PT no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What's your case for why Galron has to be scum again?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you have been a bit but that is Ok

I hate being serious I miss being fun :[

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Slipped that the guns were airdrops.

how is this a slip?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

Skitter's making sense.

are you talking about this vote on you?

what is wrong with it?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

>> Enchant [6] : Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, Galron, rousseau, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tetrina
>> Something_Smart [4] : ssbm_Kyouko, Cephrir, DrippingGoofbal, Enchant
>> Infinity 324 [1] : Something_Smart
>> Galron [1] : Ydrasse

>> Not Voting [1] : skitter30

i think that this wagon formation is quite curious tbh, and i think that there's probably scum on ss + 1 scum on enchant

VOTE: enchant

E-1 I think

enchant how did you come to place this vote?

i cntrl+f'd your whole iso for 'enchant', you have exactly one instance of 'enchant' in your iso prior to this vote: 1373, where your giving him a rundown on the game, and you blamed his wagon on house being inactive.

other than that, it doesn't look like you have a scumread on enchant, nor does it look like you interacted with him at all, nor does it look like you *tried* to interact with him at all, unless i'm missing something obvious

and wrt house, your iso is similarly puzzling:
- true null read on him 398: i think at that point you could have had some sort of read on him given his entrance pushing tetrina, but i could still understand a null read at that time
- questioning the house wagon 968

and uh not much else

so unless i'm missing something obvious: where did the e1 vote on enchant even come from?

I assume this is the post of Skitter's that he read and said "made sense" to him?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have really bad self control

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why do you think it's Kyouko pooky?

I don't think her tunnel on Galron makes any sense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You need to read everything I posted D2, I'd already explained the answer to your last question and have for this one as well

I'm not going to read your entire wall.

I'm asking you to simplify your point.

Why is this vote scummy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't read giant wall posts that don't make sense.

You're going to have to explain it in one sentence rather that just write a giant wall that's impossible to read or refute

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you can't explain it in one sentence then you don't really have a point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I can explain each of my reads in one sentence:


Skitter is town because her reaction to me voting her is very town!her and she's trying to sort in a way I understand - her D1 play feels like town!her stumbling around uninformed rather than scum!her positioning - her unvote when SS hit E-1 is incredibly townie.

Galron is town because his solving in the hood with Shiki looks very real, it doesn't make sense for him to shoot her if she trusts him, his vote on me felt like it was for a reason he believed in.

Something Scum is scum because Enchant never felt like he was very interested in pushing SS-elim, the vote movement doesn't make a lot of sense if he's town, I can't figure out who Enchant's partners are if SS is town here, he doesn't feel very interested in solving, it feels more like anti-spew.

I can explain any of those subpoints if you want to talk about it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But you couldn't tell it was a summary and simplification of my point because you haven't read the walls

I asked you a fairly simple question, you can explain why that vote is scummy if you think Galron is mafia no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What's your case for why Galron has to be scum again?

Most recently, that

he was opportunistic in voting me on D2 and lied about why he was voting me

. Voted as though he was sheeping and when challenged on it, lied about the timeline, saying there was a reason all along. Slipped that the guns were airdrops.

how is saying "guns are airdrops" a slip? these guns are not airdrops?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I looked at his vote on D2,

he made it after skitter posted 2346 and 2347 - she describes you as a potential partner of enchant.

he then votes you and says skitter is making sense.

How is this suspicious?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky would you like to see what a true S_S antispew looks like? It is nothing like this.

You've actually seen it before; D5 of ducky's PYP game, when I 1v1'd Infinity but didn't push her or really do anything at all.

I can't speak to what Enchant did, but saying that I'm antispewing and not trying here, when I've repeatedly explained my mechanical argument (which you admitted you didn't read) to what might as well be a brick wall, is ridiculous.

yes you kind of also did mech stuff in that game and didnt really push anything or vote

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That last post is the most convincing evidence that Galron was lying about scumreading me at the end of D1/start of D2. It is also evident that he was not, in his exact words, "just spewing what I had been thinking about the past few days about her argument wrt me", when I asked him if he was sheeping skitter. He didn't start doing any of that until after I asked him if he was sheeping.

like this is just not true

I am in a hood where Shiki and Galron are talking about you being scum so it's very clear to me that Galron scumread you before Skitter laid out her case at start of D2.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you think she did it to make herself look townie but still stuck her neck out to defend enchant anyway?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i didnt say it was conclusively town, it is just one thing in a number of things that makes me think she is town here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think she's probably a lot nicer than I am.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am willing to vote out Kyouko instead of you but I'm not going to vote for Skitter or Galron.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Maybe, but you two could be scum together. Even if it's true, it's still disingenuous to insinuate that I'm scum for not knowing what he was posting in a PT I dont have access to. And it's scummy of you to criticize my reasoning when you know I dont have access to that PT. You're using new information to make my past play seem scummy the same way Galron did when he said "I was just spewing Kyouko as scum". That didnt happen until after I asked the question.

It's really weird to me that when I give you information that contradicts your assumptions about Galron that your knee jerk reaction is to say that I might be scum with Galron and making it up.

Like Galron said he can add someone else to the hood as well, do you suppose that person will lie too ?

I am not using new information to make your play seem scummy. I am saying that your assumption is wrong. You can either use that to re-evaluate or remain super tunneled.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like its really confusing to me how you can play this way as town.

because I keep giving you new information that debunks your theory and you keep hand waving it with complete nonsense.

it really feels like you are not even making a remotely good faith attempt to see you could be wrong and are bending the limits of imagination to come up with new excuses to push galron-elim through.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why are your guns compulsive?

because the moderator said so

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The vote itself pinged me because it seemed like it was just piggybacking on skitter's case. I wanted to know if that was the case or not, so I asked him if it was. He said yes, that he was sheeping Skitter.

Later on, he accused me of being scummy for asking this question "when he was just spewing Kyouko as scum". I pointed out that he had not been doing that and proved it in my wall posts which you haven't bothered to read. If you want the proof you'll have to read the walls.

I don't even understand what you're accusing him of.

He said Skitter made a good case on you and voted you.

I agree with his assessment of her case.

Where is the lie?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not coming up with new ways, you're asking me leading questions that lead to faulty conclusions and when I dont drop my scumread on your buddy you try to discredit me with stupid shit like "if you cant say it in one sentence ot isn't a real point". If you really are town and want to convince me Galron is town you're never going to get through to me the way you're trying to.

You're deluding yourself if you actually think rousseau was killed specifically because of her stance on me. You're trying to say Galron cant be scum because he wouldnt kill rousseau, but you don't know that. There are 3 scum. 2 are still alive. If we were hunting the last scum right now and we could see there was no reason for the first 2 to have killed rousseau, then, and only then, could we start assuming that Rousseau died for a reason tied to the last remaining scum.

For all we know rousseau died because she was starting to SR Tetrina towards end of D1. It would be stupid to say Tetrina is scum because of that, just like it's stupid to say Galron is not because he wouldnt have killed Rousseau

VOTE: Kyouko

maybe Rosseau is a psychic alien and shot herself to frame you

who knows

anything is possible according to you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I never said Rosseau was killed because of her stance on you.

I said it is unlikely Galron would kill Rosseau because she wanted to push you on D2.


It is not the same thing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You didnt say it, but you did think it at some point if you believe what you're saying about Galron being town because he wouldn't have done it when Rousseau would have pushed me.

It implies you think scum would be motivated to kill Rousseau because of her read on me in the first place, and that because Galron wouldn't do it considering the PT, he cant be scum.

This is nonsense unless you think Rosseau made it very clear in the main thread that she wanted to push you.

Did she?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes she did, but I thought she was satisfied with the answers she got

ok so you killed her because she scumread you cool thanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't trust mechanics because I don't trust the gun the mod gave me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because the moderator says so

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It literally isn't and I'm trying not to be arrogant but I think I'm one of the mechanically strongest people here. And I know that there are plenty of people who will not worry about mechanics and let other people figure it out, and that's all well and good, but then you're in a situation where you scumread them and have to evaluate their logic and people just can't.


It literally isn't and I'm trying not to be arrogant but I think I'm one of the mechanically strongest people here. And I know that there are plenty of people who will not worry about mechanics and let other people figure it out, and that's all well and good, but then you're in a situation where you scumread them and have to evaluate their logic and people just can't.

I don't know if we are actually one shot vigs.

I don't know if this gun will do anything

so this isn't a "mech" thing for me

I will still pursue the elimination I think is most likely to flip red.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but his scummy banner literally has like gears in it

and gears are more mechy than chess pieces so

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Shutterbug (/Dice) were controlled by me and had no alignment. They were added to the setup solely for flavour, to more directly assist the newbies, and make scum newb's job a little easier.

No wonder why I thought Shutterbug was adoooooooooorbs


<3

Thanks for modding Tweetie! This was really fun :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ahhhhhh that was stressful

Gg everyone, thanks tweetie for modding

thanks for carrying at elo skitts! :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@ceph

GJ!

I had a feeling you were a baddie when you decided to play battleship with me cuz no way you got my ship that easily you scheming pirate you!

<3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tetrina you did great this game better than a lot of us

you should join more games

this is very true!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rereading Shutterbug again I think she's probably just town.

She's got this righteous anger thing down pat. Sounds kind of like Tweetie when she gets mad at me for scumreading her come to think of it. ^,^

^

I knew it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

omg I am destined to scumread you in every game we r in together

even the ones where you mod

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@ceph

GJ!

I had a feeling you were a baddie when you decided to play battleship with me cuz no way you got my ship that easily you scheming pirate you!

<3

I really did just get lucky at battleship :p

I was scum for many reasons this game but I will maintain battleship was not one of them

I felt like you were having trouble gaining your footing in the game and you deciding to play battleship with me was very scummy but I couldn't scumread you for it cuz that would be highly against Bear Code.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I actually thought wow what a cheeky scum claim when I saw it too! : )

You are fun scum I appreciate you <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I couldn't bring it up not because of ongoing games but because snitches get stitches

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

should've known ydra was going to shoot me :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hello everyone!
You all may know me as

"Maple"

Kudos to the Scum team for trudging on!

I'll be trying out my first newbie game here in a bit. I haven't been too fond of Mafia in the past... so fingers crossed.
If it turns out well, I might end up participating in a few other games, however, one of my main draws to the site that I considered was being able to create the experience for others. I've always had a little more enjoyment when I watched the chaos unfold from above hehe...

See you out there,
~Maple

I am shocked our proper British gentleman turned out to be actually a Taco. :O