Dang, y'all got busy since last night. Catching up here.
In post 1251, Meuh wrote:I was being hyperbolic, kind of was my intent at the start of the day to get people shaken up immediately and it seems to have worked considering the spooky threat VPB made
I don't think you're shaking things up so much as saying pointless things. The "threat" i made to you was intended as a breadcrumb that I had information and to make you squirm. Bell unfortunately spilled the beans too fast.
In post 1259, Dunnstral wrote: In post 1255, VP Baltar wrote:
When I read your alignment incorrectly, you can use this line. Am I reading your alignment wrong?
No but you got to it in the wrong way. It's like you incorrectly flipped my alignment twice and the result is that you got me as town, but you still used two faulty premise that should both make you think the other way. And combined they cancelled out.
I think activity is bad meta on me. I've shown that I can be active as both town and scum, and inactive as both town and scum.
I think you may have brought this up in another game, with me also saying you were wrong in that game
It's actually kind of weird Dunn is getting so twisted about me reading his alignment correctly for the "wrong" reasons. What is the point of this honestly?
In post 1268, fireisredsir wrote:i personally found them town was cause i liked their read on cakez who at the time i thought was likely scum, and said that if I was wrong on cakez then RR would be less towny
Current read on Cakez?
In post 1276, Malakittens wrote: In post 1272, Kovu wrote:hmm ok frick I might be wrong on fire... shouldn't have outed that.. rip but SS AN Mena doing nothing? like that case I still firmly believe in, so I'll just stay therefor a bit, cause this silence from everyone has me thinking fire might be town, cause scum is not going to disrupt TvT arguments..
VOTE: RR
I'll figure my life out later, but this is definitely scum
No bad.
*squirts water bottle*
Why is this bad? IDGI
In post 1283, Rhyme and Reason wrote: In post 1163, Meuh wrote:Baltar immediately taking advantage of the death to shade other people
Is that bad? Wouldn't a townie be looking to derive new information from the flip?
In post 1174, gorilla wrote:Fairly puzzled by the nightkill. I think the fact that it was on someone who had barely posted at all is likely a sign that scum are feeling comfortable.
Yes, but I'm not really sure what scumteam wouldn't be feeling comfortable here, or who could really be killed to allay that discomfort even if they were. LLD is a pretty scary player if town, most people here probably know that, so I don't really think it can be read into that much.
In post 1177, Val89 wrote:all I can say is I didn't understand the purpose of the posting gimmick
I saw the reference to it in the setup post, thought it would be funny, then decided it would be a great way to keep our post count down (as a hydra in a post-limited game I was worried about using up too many of our posts and depriving my partner of the ability to say more valuable things). He loved it and then that was that. But then we were both V/LA for three days anyway so the postcount thing was moot
In post 1178, Fey wrote:I also think LLD dying here means that she was the nightkill who shot Datisi, rather than the other way around.
This is mildly +town I think
In post 1180, Meuh wrote:huh in what way? in my mind scum would avoid killing people who scumread them, so they don't die
This seems like reasonably sound logic, though not 100% conclusive. Not necessarily for all time, but on Night 1, after a mislim, it probably is something scum can afford to think about, since they were likely feeling comfortable anyway.
In post 1238, fireisredsir wrote:my first reaction to this post was "well, dunn is town" but tbh showing up only after people start pushing on him means i proooobably shouldn't let him off that easy, even though i want to. idk
Dunn is being super super Dunn this game. Normally he is quiet and witty and down-to-earth, and I feel like he's doing all those things more than he usually does. Maybe just because I haven't played with him in a while.
My approach to him is generally "keep him around a while because he's usually good for the gamestate and then he'll either die or get sorted mechanically", however I feel like I very often die early when he's scum, so I'm not sure that that approach is actually that effective. Fortunately I'm only half of this hydra so maybe Mena will have a better idea.
In post 1264, Kovu wrote:there were many times Mena was like "I need to talk to ss about that" umm excuse me.. SS voted lava, and ss never told you why? like fire and I were literally discussing reads yet apparently mena and SS weren't, SS and mena conviniently had no reaction to the Dwlee wagon?
no, he was pretty absent for most of the day yesterday so we never really discussed anything in private. I generally don't feel the need to talk about reads privately with my hydra partner, I can just post my reads in the thread instead.
Why is having no reaction to the Dwlee wagon convenient? Wouldn't it be more convenient to have a reaction that would later be shown to be right? (i.e. "this wagon is bad, dwlee is town" if they are town, or "this is a good wagon" if they are scum)
-Reason
This post is a whole lot of words to do very little scumhunting.
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I actually cant believe there are multiple people on mafiascum-dot-net calling Cakez town because he said D1 was "ass." Legit the stupidest shit I've heard in a long time, and each time I read it, it is like space lasers in my eyes. Cakez pushed multiple confirmed towns D1 (Datisi, Bell) and was absolutely way too confident about a lavar read. That is not a reason to townread someone.
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In post 1292, Meuh wrote: In post 202, gorilla wrote:The reasoning for marci being scum seems rather tenuous to me. Of course maybe I'm just too dumb to understand it. That happens a lot.
Gorilla/Marci S/S?
VOTE: Gorilla
I'm willing to try this out Enchant, don't let me down
Why are you sheeping enchant?
In post 1298, gorilla wrote: In post 1295, Meuh wrote: In post 1294, gorilla wrote:Making a vote on me because you think I
could
be scum with marci seems rather backwards, no?
I skimmed your ISO and it's a whole lot of questions with no follow-up to look busy and for the amount of posts you've made, there's not much that actually looks like scumhunting.
I think I've been acting with a purpose for most of the game and if you can't see that, that's your problem. I was wrong on Lavar but I took a chance and swung there, still think it was an entirely reasonable day 1 kill and I'm not terribly convinced any of the other wagons on day 1 were on the right track.
I've been keeping a lot of my reads to my notes and only mentioned them when necessary, but I'm pretty sure I
have
mentioned them. However, I've also openly been bored with the game since mid day 1, so I don't necessarily blame you if I feel like I'm "not doing much". But it's still on you to actually learn to read people better, if you're town.
Do you think Meuh is town?
I don't follow. explain.
In post 1315, Meuh wrote:Since when am I sheeping? I already said Enchant's vote prompted me to reevaluate you, and I drew my own conclusions from there.
omfg, is this supposed to be tstbs?
In post 1319, Kovu wrote:I think it's very interesting, like you guys are all "just invictus enchant!!" or "enchant is scum!!!" just enchant goes "Gorilla maf" and now all of a sudden everyone is like "yeah!!" like, why did you have to wait for enchant for you to actually do something?
"Since when am I sheeping? I already said..."
ummm you waited for enchant.. yeah it falls into the category of sheeping, like, sure I definitely agree with gorilla being suspicious. for sure. but this wagon coming from a town (collective unit) where many yall are actively like "enchant isn't town!!" like, that feels really odd to me, also as long as gorilla continues to be like one of the only ones actively doing anything, I'm not voting gorilla d2
hard agree with all this.
In post 1321, SirCakez wrote:I hate that Luke is using me being correct about my Lavar read as the reason because it's like saying that I wasn't actually good enough to have just read Lavar correctly
To me, it's not that you were correct, but that you came to that town read very strongly without very good reasoning, and that you're now trying to use being correct on Lavar as a cudgel. You're playing an angle on that wagon that is very convenient if you're scum.
In post 1322, gorilla wrote:I think enchant is relatively likely to be town based on a few things he's said
Can I get you to cite your work here, please.
In post 1332, gorilla wrote:I'm not really close to clearing dwlee, I'm just not sure they're who I want to wagon right away today based on the nightkill.
WIFOMing the NK is stupid, especially one as devoid of information as LLD. This exact discussion is its own reason why an LLD kill would have been a good idea.
In post 1336, Rhyme and Reason wrote:That said, I do think that NKA can be pretty powerful when done right, all the more so when scum don't see it coming. I haven't actually reread LLD's ISO to figure out how telegraphed a Dwlee invictus was, but if it was extremely telegraphed, I think that definitely is a point in Dwlee's favor.
The ISO is like 6 posts. Why are you spouting off on something so much if you haven't even read it?
In post 1338, fireisredsir wrote: In post 1301, Rhyme and Reason wrote:Who here is familiar with lld? Because given how little she'd done so far, I think that kill is much more likely to come from someone who knows her reputation. Here, the main names that occur to me are gorilla/dunn/Bell/Baltar/Cakez. Bell is clear, seemingly, so that leaves me with a likely scum in (gorilla/dunn/Cakez).
this seems extremely narrow to me in an odd way. LLD is a fairly known player on site, ive never played with her and yet i know her reputation. i would be surprised if other people in this game who have been around longer than i have don't have that same experience. why not Fey, dwlee, even luke, or VP/gamma (i remember VP and gamma talking to LLD in the signup thread in a familiar way)? and at that point you're at 9 names and saying that there is most likely to be 1 scum in 9 people is... not super useful. of course it's actually 10, but it makes sense that you would exclude yourself
the main point though is how you managed to narrow that list down to those 3 or 4. given no further explanation as to why certain names were excluded, it seems intentional
+1
In post 1365, Meuh wrote: In post 1350, Lukewarm wrote:@Meuh, your points on page 52 felt like solid enough reasons for you to think that marci is scum, and I can even see where you got to gorilla being a possible partner - but why in this scenario would you go for gorilla first over marci?
3 reasons:
1. I think we get more info out of pressuring Gorilla, who has mostly been left alone this game, than Marci, who’s been pushed a bunch already. It felt like it’d contribute more and advance the game more to vote for Gorilla. (which I stand by, Gorilla’s last few posts are juicier info than whatever Marci’s response would’ve been)
2. I’m interested in giving more merit to the ideas low activity players are putting out, to hopefully make them engage with the game more and/or get info on that player from the way the push goes from there. Similar to why I decided to vote with Lavar in
296.
3. Until we’re at a stage at the day where we’re headed towards is to lim someone, I like having some high impact votes, and that vote on Gorilla would be high impact. For the way it goes against a lot of people’s views on the game, and also since Enchant already had a vote there, making it more meaningful.
garbage
I received a message from the mod overnight confirming Bell. He is clearly a friendly neighbor. (Answer's Luke's request as well)
town
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