Open 860 | Elected Decisions | Postgame

[Enchant]

Divulging first two days, afterwards probably not worth it.

You can't choose PR, it's random.
If someone rolls Bulletproof, we Divulge them, and then laugh on confirmed townie who can't be killed.


lolbalance.

[Enchant]

So instead of revealing alignment of 2 ppl (and receiving two PRs from vote), we choose to kill one ppl (while town in big majority), and get 1 PR because... Becauuuuuuuse...

Makes sense, let's do it. If you fail to hit scum 1d (when it makes sense to divulging), i locking my vote on you for the end of your life/game.

Good luck with searching.

[Enchant]

Actually why two times.

Let's reveal just first day and then elim, there's even number of players.

[Enchant]

Not really in mood arguing.

If you believe you hit scum on first day (doubt), go ahead, indeed it's faster and more profitable to kill mafia instantly instead of revealing.

If you kill townie though you get whooping nothing.

[Enchant]

Divulge me, mafia never kills me.

I am too cute.

[Enchant]

(it means i don't mind if mafia kills become predictable.
Because we have PRs which we can give every day, jailkeeper and Doctor included)

[Enchant]

info from NK flips lmao
what improtant source

[Enchant]

As i said, if you can hit scum d1, you welcome to kill instantly, but first day is InFo FlIpS mostly.

I can't see reason to kill on d1 instead of revealing.

[Enchant]

Let's see if this really turns in "No one deserve power expect me"

[Enchant]

Vengeful
One-Shot Vigilante
Two-Shot PGO
Ascetic
Bulletproof
One-Shot Watcher
Doctor
Roleblocker
Neighborizer
Voyeur
Jailkeeper
Tracker

If you had choice which one you would pick?

[Enchant]

Why choose three, you can get only one.

Pick with wisdom.
Obviously Neighborizer is best one.

[Enchant]

PGO and Bulletproof was added so mafia can't just NK every PR we choose.

[Enchant]

Why choose three, you can get only one.

Pick with wisdom.

Obviously Neighborizer is best one.

Why give that info to mafs? Both pieces?

Because i am anti-town gamethrower.

[Enchant]

i wouldve chosen

mileena

from mortal kombat to be my mascot this game but LOL im not about to get banned for NSFW content



who are we departing?

frogs

? cool

VOTE: Greeting for Departure

taking out their buddy first, i know because we're the team!

Taly did you have any thoughts on strategy for the set up?

using HEAL: like a cop check rather than a consensus read is a good start.

might need to reread the setup? didn't really follow 18

What Cop Check.


You can Kill someone OR reveal alignment of person publically.
Not both.

WE now argueing what's better.

Heals are for receiving random PR.

[Enchant]

Taly pocketed me by sanity.

Also by this we produce two people mafia want to kill (assuming we hit town): PR and Conftown.

They will need to choose which one they want to kill, because there's risk of Doctor/Jailkeeper/PGO/whatever shit

[Enchant]

Yeah, roles are random.
So it's more question for funnies mostly.

[Enchant]

You know alignments of departed, i can assure.


Departing mafia is more benefiting, because you then don't need to waste time killing them, Frog plainly doesh't realise (or care) that on Day 1 we more likely to pow townie, not mafia.
Basically it's choice between "Low" and "High" risk and rewards.

I prefer low.

[Enchant]

Last post regarding this and i sleep.

If you THINK someone flip mafia, depart. If you are not so sure (even for a bit), divulge is better, losing townie is worse than revealing.

Cya

[Enchant]

Why no one wanted to get Bulletproof?

It's literally possibility to scream "Divulge me and give all PRs to me".
Immortal Tracker/Doctor/Jailkeeper is Kind of Ass.

[Enchant]

But question was "If you had choice, what role you would pick".

Literally no one picked bulletproof.
Huh...

[Enchant]

Why no one wanted to get Bulletproof?

It's literally possibility to scream "Divulge me and give all PRs to me".
Immortal Tracker/Doctor/Jailkeeper is Kind of Ass.

1) Enchant can you sheep my read on Roden please?

2) I view BP as sort of a weak role but that could be subjective. I prefer a paranoid gun owning jailkeeper for example. That sounds cool.

I want decide about PR first.
Who to reveal second.

[Enchant]

Can somebody else post so I don't feel like I'm going crazy

You are not in your mind.
As well as me.

Otherwise, we would't be here.

[Enchant]

As for what should we do. I was thinking about Divulge and then keep/Depart depending on the player's alignment.

However, while reading the thread it occurred to me that since we can only go after one of the options Divulge/Depart, we could end up in a situation where we keep Divulging and uncovering townies and never hit a scum. This in itself wouldn't be so bad, if it wasn't for the fact that an uncovered townie is a prime target to be killed off by the mafia the following night. Which, in result, makes this option useless unless we manage to uncover a scum.

So, I say we pick Depart to our best possible abilities today, and only use Divulge if there is no other possibility of townclearing a certain slot.

NOMINATE: Depart

I noticed this post and my last braincell ceased to exist.

"Eeeeeeeee we will only reveal townies eeeeeew let's kill them instead"

Fuck, literally what way you thinking.

[Enchant]

Idk who brought up asking what the strengths of the player list are because that makes the decision for us. We either play this mostly mountainous or we don’t. I assume we can waive the right to grant pr?

Antitown post.

[Enchant]

No, you!

[Enchant]

I’m RUBBER and you’re GLUE, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!

You are beautiful.

[Enchant]

Thanks.

[Enchant]

So anyway why you want to give PR to no one.

[Enchant]

And so, who deserves PR on your opinion?
(Excluding yourself).

[Enchant]

I think hammering divulge is last concern. If someone obvscum hard, we probably would want to depart them anyway (not likely but still).

If i would pick someone not me for PR, it probably would be Taly.

[Enchant]

I want divulge Greeting also.

[Enchant]

I want divulge Greeting also.

Okay is there any reason why you can't elaborate about your read on Greeting?

Probably my inability to explain thoughts. I simple think Greeting is "Low Average", which is perfect target for divulge and where scum mostly lies.

[Enchant]

While healing self is okay, Greeting did it in strange challenging way.

[Enchant]

Okay you already answered that. So who do you tr other than Taly?

I change mind about it too often, Taly remains consistent.

No point.

[Enchant]

At this stage yes.

[Enchant]

Hmm I'm down to compromise and divulge Enchant. My first choice is to depart Roden. HEAL: Fun Times

You scumread me?

[Enchant]

I am worst leader ever.

[Enchant]

It doesh't make me good choice.

You giving town leader (if i survive night) to most foolish person in the room.

[Enchant]

Bruh

[Enchant]

Not opposed to give PR to them.

[Enchant]

Yep.

[Enchant]

Choices are hard.

... Not really hard, i just hope someone else chooses for me and i plainly jump in... Or say how sucking its. Depends.

Consider me in bad player jail for now.

I have a feeling maybe divulge someone from Frog/Roden is best course of action.

[Enchant]

Choices are hard.

... Not really hard, i just hope someone else chooses for me and i plainly jump in... Or say how sucking its. Depends.

Consider me in bad player jail for now.

I have a feeling maybe divulge someone from Frog/Roden is best course of action.

Why do you want to divulge Roden?
-Andante

I plainly think it could be TvS.

[Enchant]

Whatever, I'm clearly not wanted here, and I doubt Bella ever answers my questions. Have fun, Nancy will likely be around whenever, yall clearly like Nancy more than me, so have fun!

-Andante

Noooooooo

[Enchant]

VOTE: Greeting[/vote

Imo

[Enchant]

VOTE: Greeting

Bruh

[Enchant]

I want heal hammer.

[Enchant]

Day 1 Count VI

Divulgence

(HAMMERED) - Taly, Radical Rat, Galron, Fun Times, Roden, Frogsterking, KittyTacky

Departure

(LOCKED) - Greeting

Not Voting

- Bellaphant, Enchant, PenguinPower, RCEnigma

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Galron (-4) - Greeting, KittyTacky, Enchant
Frogsterking (-5) - Taly, Radical Rat
Greeting (-6) - Galron, Frogsterking
Taly (-6) - Roden

Not Voting

- Fun Times, Bellaphant, Galron, PenguinPower, RCEnigma

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Taly (-5) - Taly, KittyTacky
Radical Rat (-5) - Fun Times, Frogsterking
Enchant (-6) - Galron
Greeting (-6) - Greeting

Not Voting

- Bellaphant, Enchant, Galron, PenguinPower, RCEnigma, Radical Rat, Roden

Notes

• The combined mod ISO is here.
  
• Greeting is
  V/LA
  to 25 July.
  
• Taly is
  V/LA
  to 22 July.
  
• With 12 remaining, it takes 7 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-07-26 15:56:07).

I don't remember voting for Galron at any occasion. I voted Greeting.

[Enchant]

If Galron is scum, we get a guaranteed scum hang tomorrow (or kill on scum this night if the random PR is vig).

If Galron is town, scum is forced to kill what used to be a fairly suspicious slot or let a confirmed townie live.

But it's same for others slots as well.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Kitty
HEAL: Enchant

Imo, it results in me dying like 99%.

[Enchant]

Fun Times funny "mafia will kill me if i don't get PR"

Yeah. Funny.
HEAL: Fun Times

[Enchant]

Should we reveal Kitty anyway or

[Enchant]

Because i don't believe.

Why tell that you are town. If it's revealed anyway.

[Enchant]

Because i don't believe.

Why tell that you are town. If it's revealed anyway.

[Enchant]

Yeah hammer that.

[Enchant]

Vengeful - Die Hilariously
One-Shot Vigilante - ... Idk, what Vigilante for? Blast someone scummy.
Two-Shot PGO - Vibe
Ascetic - Die Hilariously
Bulletproof - Vibe
One-Shot Watcher - If Kitty town, watch, if kitty not town, die hilariously
Doctor - If Kitty town, heal, if Kitty not town, die hilariously
Roleblocker - Good luck with guessing
Neighborizer - bruh
Voyeur - BRUH
Jailkeeper - If Kitty is town, consider jaileng them, if not, still consider Jaileng them, because mafia could send Kitty to kill cuz he revealed already. Or try to jail someone else, i am not your mom
Tracker - If Kitty is town, track someone else, if not, well, Kitty prob makes kill so die hilariously

[Enchant]

I activate my Vote Redirector role to switch all votes to Galron.

Enchant uses "MODERATOR CALL".
It's super effective!

[Enchant]

As i remember we wanted devulge Greeting, but then switched to Kitty. I forgot who sparked it though.

Maybe not bad target for devulge/depart.
Should we depart once or devulge twice? That's real question.

[Enchant]

I am for devulge mostly, unless we find someone ultrascummy, who really must die, because they never flip town.

Devulge useful when you are sure and right. I am not sure and right.

[Enchant]

Damn i mean depart useful when you are sure, i just wake up. Let me have my tea in peace.

[Enchant]

Who do you want for PR?

I think giving PR to Kitty is not "foolish" idea, but not productive.

If Kitty somehow rolls Bulletproof, then we are in chocolate of course, PGO is also not bad, as quarantee trade off. 2/12 chance of "Full Success"
If Kitty rolls Jailkeeper/Roleblocker, then he can potentially deduce who perform kill and block. It's 2/12 chance of "Low Success".
If Kitty rolls Vigilante, then he don't need to deduce exact killer, just mafia. It's 1/12 chance of "Medium Success".
Other roles can be useful, but NOT in Kitty hands, in Kitty hands they trash.

5/12 chance to get actual useful PR in our situation.
High Risk, High Reward, indeed. I more inclined to pick someone else.

[Enchant]

If you're town, don't heal me. Unvote and heal someone else.

Who you want to have PR

[Enchant]

If I get a PR, then scum can kill both effectively an IC and another PR at once. If someone else does, scum has to choose between killing the IC and the PR.

But, we prevent scum from getting the PR

Wrong approach.

Only really harmful PRs are Vengeful and Vigilante. Vengeful requires mafia to being elimed to be useful (which still kinda bad). Vigilante can be used for quickmajority, otherwise reguires shoting someone scummy/outing as mafia. They can as well die more early for surviving.

Are not giving PRs to mafia IS YOUR ONLY reasoning? Cuz it suck

[Enchant]

VOTE: Penguin
VOTE: Divulge

Fuk u.

[Enchant]

Yeah, I've thought it through, and I'm pretty sure Kitty needs the PR here.

Risking a Scum PR is just too dangerous, as while Vengeful/Vig are the only IMMEDIATELY useful ones, others such as PGO/Roleblocker/JK, can interfere with other PRs, and even if we do hit Town, scum not killing them is going to create paranoia and we'll probably end up divulging them anyway to be safe.

I am not going fight this mindset anymore.

Not giving it support either.

[Enchant]

Give me PR

I am bad at manipulating others

[Enchant]

but I read somewhat of a self-profiling intention.

Huh?

Who?

How?

Why?

[Enchant]

HEAL: Enchant

I HAVE THE POWER.


... We still need to decide who to divulge though.

[Enchant]

Kitty it's probably new.

But you need to dictate flow. Not follow them.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Galron

[Enchant]

Enchant are you sheeping kitty because conf town?

Not only because that, but yeah i sheeping.

[Enchant]

If kitty votes greeting I’ll vote there, if kitty votes Galron I’ll vote there, if kitty votes me I’ll vote there.

If we were departing I’d probably depart roden.

Roden!scum probably makes frog town.

RR is also a person that has posted occasionally but I’m riding fun times read there I guess.

Kitty voted Galron.

[Enchant]

I want to come back at Greeting so much somehow.

[Enchant]

I am sad that Nobody died.

I remember him as good guy.

[Enchant]

Such an important, skilled, and obviously town player, how will we win without him?

VOTE: Depart
VOTE: Galron

Cha cha real smooth.

Why you vote Galron, if GREETING revealed as mafia.

[Enchant]

Also i am against turbolim.

[Enchant]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE

Just in a case, i stopped kill. Kitty was shot last night. Or mafia noactioned i don't care, either way.

Healing Kitty is now viable and most senseble target, because he is very unlikely to die.


If i am Doctor, i will heal Kitty.
If i am Jailkeeper, i will Jailkeep someone else, to let Kitty use ability.

So it's baseline 50/50 to kill Kitty (not included chance to jail mafia killer), while almost always viable to simple shot me for almost quarantee success.
Either way, mafia will most likely try shot me, so there's instructions how Kitty should act next night. I believe Kitty knows how to fakeclaim.

Use DICE rolls for even more annoyance.

Vengeful/Ascetic - They useless for you. Consider fakeclaiming.
One-Shot Vigilante - On your decision. If you didn't kill for some reason, consider fakeclaiming before you do.
Two-Shot PGO - Don't activate it. Mafia probably won't risk attacking you at any case. You risk killing me if i am Doctor. Consider fakeclaiming.
Bulletproof - Claim Bulletproof, ask giving all PRs to you. You are unkillable, mafia can't do shit. Try to not fall for any plans which about giving PRs to someone else: You are multitasking and there's nothing which can do harm to you, as long as all power in your hands.
One-Shot Watcher - Watch Me! Really, there's no better target. If mafia targets you/someone else, they risk highly.
Doctor - Heal me. If we both alive next day, claim Protective. I will then clarify claim, so we know if it's worth protecting each other.
Roleblocker - Try to RB someone who kills. If there's no kill, claim so i clarify my role and tell you target. Then we discover who killing mafia most likely. Otherwise consider fakeclaiming.
Neighborizer - ... I would recommend to not use it at all or use it on future person you want give PR (so you can coordinate). Fakeclaim something.
Voyeur - Consider fakeclaiming.
Jailkeeper - Jail me. If we both alive next day, claim Protective. I will then clarify claim, so we know if it's worth protecting each other.
Tracker - Track someone. Consider fakeclaiming before you get guilty. Can afford.


If you don't understand something, ask.
Now HEAL: Kitty. There's no reason to not do so.

[Enchant]

Don't heal me OR anyone else.

Heal Kitty.

[Enchant]

Enchant why not heal Not_Mafia? That slot is essentially confirmed town. That would give us two PRs and an IC rather than two PRs with one being an IC. Unless you don't think frogsterslot is town?

I simple can't protect both in any case.
If i am Doctor, i need to make decision and can lost gamble (or die to NM PGO).
If i am Jailkeeper, then almost same, while i can perfectly protect Kitty without damage, NM then remains unprotected. And vice versa, i can try to protect NM and ruin his ability, just to discover mafia went kill Kitty. It's very bad situation.

If NM is mafia we also screwed, so i prefer not taking any risks at all, unless you sell to me why it's better than giving PR to IC. Which could be possible, feel free to poke holes in my plan if you think it can ruin our game. Either way.

If they both town for you, then it's better to give PR to Kitty, so they both have better chances to survive to tomorrow (afterwards you free to do anything). I will inenvitable start shitposting, i can't go in future.

[Enchant]

Giving it thought, maybe it's not worst idea to give someone else right now.

But i am busy with other, so can you not end day just yet before i calculate?

[Enchant]

Alright i freed up, hold up.

[Enchant]

This game is gamble. Let's think about it as a gamble then! Risks and losses.
I compare it between giving to Kitty and giving it to NM (i will assume him as 90% town with chance of maf). Just in case i acknowlidge skill of NM, i played with him, his targeting is good.


Kitty - Useless - Vengeful - Harmful - NM
Nothing can be done with it if Kitty gets it. If NM is mafia, we will be punished in long run.

Kitty - Very Useful in Short Run - One-Shot Vigilante - Very Useful in Short Run/DANGER - NM
Regardless, Vig in town hands is vig in town hands, which will be prob shot instantly. And i prefer these hands be townie as possible, so if it's Vig, let Kitty have it, no? NM can just blunder it in someone on random and you never prove it was on purpose. Also if you divulge scum next day, then regardless who wield it. So why not Kitty again?

Kitty - INCREDIBLE USEFUL - Two-Shot PGO - Depends - NM
Let's be honest. Kitty needs it more, especially after i perish. NM can be targeted solely on fact of PR but... Ehh. Mafia prefered to shot Kitty instead of me, even while i wield PR. Do you think they consider NM as danger? Also if Kitty gets it, you can give him more PRs without fear for like 2 days, mafia risks being shot if they visit. On NM case why risk stacking him?

Kitty - Fuck - Ascetic - Fuck - NM
Fuck!

Kitty - INCREDIBLE USEFUL - Bulletproof - Um perhaps - NM
Kitty turning immortal is very good. NM can turn immortal too... Mmm... Ok i guess... Bulletproof simple too good. As well as Vigilante. But giving Bulletproof to already conftown is even more good. NM-Mafia-Bulletproof will piss me off for whole week, because that could be Kitty.

Kitty - Good in short run - One-Shot Watcher - Good in Short Run - NM
Kitty will blunder it on me if roll, potentially outing maf. NM will... Eh. Use it on me as well? Or he die with this role? Hell i know! Consider this draw, because they both can target me and potentially out mafia. But Kitty is conftown and wins solely on this fact.

Kitty - Useful - Doctor - Useful - NM
Kitty could heal me. NM also could heal me. What difference then?... Idk! But NM still can be mafia. Kitty not.

Kitty - Useful - Roleblocker - A bit more Useful - NM
One of debateble takes. NM can get whooping 2-3 roleblocks. And Kitty can get 2 roleblocks. But in Kitty case, we lost both PR and IC. So maybe i give NM win on this one.

Kitty - Lmao - Neighborizer - Lmao - NM
I consider Neighborizer fun role. Fun. Not useful. It's waste regardless who gets it. So i don't care.

Kitty - Lmao - Voyeur - Lmao - NM
I consider Voyeur worst roll in this game for both factions. It's waste regardless who gets it. I only know specific 2-3 ways to utilise it and it exist to control other PRs. While we giving PRs to townie players... Seek.

Kitty - Useful - Jailkeeper - Useful - NM
One of debateble takes. NM can get 2-3 jails. And Kitty can get 2 jails. But in Kitty case, we lost both PR and IC. But if Kitty rolls it, he can as well protect me, and we can organise to turn tough to kill then, potentially living longer. NM needs to specifically utilise it or snipe mafia to make it worth it.

Kitty - Useful - Tracker - More Useful - NM
NM-Town benefits from this one more, would't argue, getting 1-2 checks > getting 1 check.


In all NM cases, there's added benefit that dying NM is not dying IC. But we really don't need IC-clutch if you will play this game competently and reveal mafs.

Make bets. I bet on Kitty again.

[Enchant]

TWO HAMMERS AT ONE DAY.

[Enchant]

Yeah.
I also thought so.

And then you departed for no reason.