Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

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Lol

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VOTE: Bella

VOTE: Bella

Just to confirm.

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It is?

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I'm here, sorry for inactivity.

Will catch up on this tomorrow.

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Somnus' posting is good, doubt Penguin is scum after Jake flip.

I'm going to try and read this game properly at some point today, but I just slimmed and that post stood out to me.

Kop and Gamma pushing back has drawn my interest too, will look at those a little closer.

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1982 from Somnus

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Bella/Norwegian very likely contains at least 1 scum.

We should prob elim them.

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You were pretty determined to elim Enchant and then wondered about changing to Jake at a critical time.

I remember that striking me as a bit weird. You can have my vote

VOTE: Norwegian

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I have a 50/50 shot of hitting scum in you or Bella - why would I look elsewhere?

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You don't think a double bus is possible?

Possible? Yes.

Likely? No

Why double bus in a 1vs1 situation where the game was stalled?

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Gamma pushing Enchant is prob scum as well.

Elimming Gamma/Bella/Norwegian likely wins this game.

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We should probably look for the scum who tried to save Jake, not bus them.

That makes much more sense.

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Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

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And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

I don't think both of you are scum, I think exactly one of you is scum.

There also wasn't a 'sure point' that Jake would be elimmed, and if there was, you may not have had time to react to it.

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I'm going to try and read this game at some point.

Apologies for not being very active, legit hate playing this way.

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I'm here.

What is there to resolve?

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Meh, I guess you're right in that I'm paranoid about you, I can't read you well at all. But I can only be paranoid if I am town and you don't seem to be town reading me so what's up with that?

My scum read on you has just kind of been there all game - hedgy reads (which we've been over) and general non-stances. Then I think it's very likely that in such a tight wagon vs wagon situation where one of them is scum, the other scum would try to save their buddy - especially as Jake's posting wasn't exactly screaming scum. One of you and Norwee are in prime position to be scum - I initially went with you because I can't really read you and Norwee felt town in the early game.

Then I remembered Norwee talking about how relaxed/jokey he is as scum and I started to re-eval the read. It helps that he was on the counter to Jake and I don't think his posting Todayh has been great at all.

Who is your top town read? Norwee? Gamma wanting to elim Enchant is scummy, Enchant is very likely town.

Not gonna lie, I kind of wanted it to look like a guilty, too. But you didn't react to it at all which I now find suspicious given I now know that you noticed it.

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You see what I mean Bella? You spend time talking about how Norwee is your top town read and then go on, in the very same post, to talk about how you scum read their Day One/Early Day Two... It's hedgy. How can he be your top town read when you have scum read a decent % of their play? This just reeks of leaving yourself opportunity to flip on a read should the situation arise.

And if you have scum read their play, like you say, you're literally talking about scum reading him at the same points as I am but you question me? It doesn't make sense.

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But it's true? I spent most of day two getting nothing out of the slot because of their fight with enchant. Then they stopped doing that and I've really vibes with their posting. This is clear and present in the thread.

Me asking you about your reasons for scum reading them is also about you and your thought process. It helps me understand you, mostly.

OK, does their fight with Enchant serve as a distraction to the Jake wagon? Was that it's purpose? What posting do you vibe with?

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This is going to sound really smug. But i am almost sure that if Jake was my partner yesterday i would saved them easily.
Again, being on an counterwagon to scum doesn't make someone scum. Faulty thinking. And very one-dimensional too, because scum can plan ahead and make sure they don't end up being on an counterwagon to scum because they'd be concerned about their image. I couldn't give care less i was on CW to Jake because i know i'm town and my play is justice.

I mean, you tried, right? You're right though, simply being on a counter wagon to scum doesn't make you scum. I have spoken about your strange posting regarding potentially switching wagons and I think you were genuinely unsure about whether you should bus Jake or not.

Like, you had been fighting with Enchant literally all day and then all of a sudden you were like 'Maybe I should reread Jake' or whatever it was you said. It was super scummy timing. Talking of this, did anything actually come of it?

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Penguin is highly unlikely to be scum because of his voting. Which has been repeatedly stated.

If you're town, find a new scum read. If you're scum, continue beating this drum because you can't legitimately find another read.

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I think if you're town you should realise that your Penguin push is not viable and you should work with town.

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That's a fair point, if I didn't think you were scummier than Bella right now.

Also, there is more town than just me. Find them, work with them, come up with something new.

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Both Norwegian and Bella on that Penguin wagon.

My oh my.

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VOTE: Kop

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I'd much prefer the Norwee wagon but no-one is moving.

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VOTE: Bella

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I'm here but don't really know what to say.

In fact, I'm so out of this game that I voted Bella at daystart instead of Norwee.

I think my gut is trying to tell me something.

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Bella is probably scum this game though

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Same reasons as Yesterday.

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We should vote Bella.

Or Norwee.

We should have done this Yesterday.

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Because no-one wanted my wagons so I compromised.

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There isn't a why. He's really clearly demotivated scum.

If you can show me a single demotivated BBT scum game, I'll be impressed.

Yeah yeah, self meta. But Bella knows better than this.

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Penguin, I think there was scum on the counter to the Jake wagon.

I said early game that I felt that Bella was using a lot of words without really saying anything and that her reads felt hedgy. This hasn't really changed as the game has progressed.

It doesn't feel like she is solving and I know town!Bella would figure I'm town here so there is that now as well.

If I can find the time, I'll properly look through Bella's ISO.

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I've not seen you like this full stop.
To half arse faking a guilty?

I haven't faked a guilty. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum. I have started a million Day Phases with a vote, the double vote could have (and I wanted it to) look like a guilty. Today I have just simply voted but you're framing it as a fake guilty.

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Also, if you've not seen me like this full stop, where does the 'demotivated scum' read come from?

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As much as BBT hates meta, I think I have a good sense of genuine town curmudgeon BBT vs scum BBT. Looking at Bella's ISO there's really nothing

wrong

with per se, but she definitely going through the motions and her narrative style of play is pretty easy to fake as scum.

This is actually insanely frustrating as well.

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Both scum are on my wagon.

Pivotal Day.

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Tbf I am slightly concerned by norwee today.

Have you done anything about this Bella?

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@ gamma, the cop vote. I think out of the three votes that I found Sus on Jake, bbts was the worst at the time Ans the worst in hindsight.

Have you talked about why my vote was so bad?

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I'm walking the dog and then off to the casino tonight.

At least give me until tomorrow night to give something decent in thread.

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Just realised we have 10 days left.

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What does that mean to you Norwee?

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Norwegian and Bella have voted a lot together.

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Means they're unlikely to both be scum I think.

One of Bella/Norwegian and then Gamma.

There. Game solved. Easy.

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lmao nice omgus

Gamma pushing Enchant is prob scum as well.

Elimming Gamma/Bella/Norwegian likely wins this game.

VOTE: BBT
I think his content is generally okay so this is just shitpush insurance (I’ll come up with a better term later)

Lmao. Nope.

People should revisit Gamma's posting during the Enchant and Jake wagon build up. They heavily favoured elimming Enchant and only switched when Penguin went back to Jake.

I think this was an attempt to pocket Penguin and make sure he continued town reading him.

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Unless Enchant has drastically switched up his scumgame, his making posts like “99% wrong”, questioning if another player is town are things I don’t recall seeing from past Enchant scumgames. Do you disagree? @Gamma.

I don’t really read Enchant on content, I read him on vibes. He’s given me more of a scum vibe than a town vibe but if the data supports your theory I’m willing to go with it. But unless a suspect comes up that’s better than either of Jake/Enchant, I’d rather vote out Enchant today because I feel like leaving Jake alive might tell us more if he is scum.

Gamma is scum.

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Trying to stay on Hydra's good side whilst still saying he would prefer Enchant to Jake despite saying he would trust Nancy's read.

This post is all over the place.

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Also makes sense with Nancy being killed so that Gamma could then continue with his push on Enchant without worrying about pushback from Nancy.

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That switch from Norwee and attempt to direct to Bella, fuck.

It's Gamma/Norwee

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You sat on my wagon the entire time.

You think both me and Bella are scum? As soon as I start trying to change thread direction to Gamma, you jump in with a post about Bella and then proceed to flip to opposite wagon to end discussion.

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Norwegian has just hammered Bella in an attempt to stop the focus shifting to Gamma.

Scum are in a great position here if Bella is town and they didn't want to lose it. I so nearly voted for Gamma as well, that's kind of annoying.

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Why would i think you and Bella are scum. I think one of you are likely scum.

Why the switch? Why now? Why only one?

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Right, but you have also excluded TvT... How?

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You didn't answer why you switched and why you chose this timing right now to end the day either.

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But we were just getting more discussion going in thread.

What is your read on Gamma?

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None of those are answers by the way

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Don't forget that Norwegian hammered Bella once Gamma was potentially becoming a focus.

He hammered and ended all potential discussion.

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Bella avoiding this game makes me feel better

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I'm town reading NM for posting words.

Which probably means he is scum.

Haha, funny game is Mafia.

Well played scum, especially NM. Really good game

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Thanks for Modding, SS!

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In all seriousness NM, it was really good to play this game with you. I hope you continue playing like this in the future