Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

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Hi, I’m here and I have a cold so expect me to be more addled than usual

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Morning Tweet and Titus, the authors of 2/3 of my sig.

Menal, I promise this game I will recruit you.

How can you recruit me when I started as cult?

Jk, I actually started as mafia

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Wait fuck, ignore that last bit

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Limming porkens is probably the objectively correct thing to do but is also boring and therefore I’m against it

I like the three headed hydra for town unless someone tells me that Alianna is a very good scumplayer who I’m underestimating, I’m reading the hydra more off her than the others

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@furtive what did you like about bianco’s early posting?

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Also

@NM, I have a standing VLA at weekends

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I mean it’s fairly straight forward once you think about it?

Porkens is basically RPing only more extremely bc he’s not thinking about the game he’s just parroting what the bot says to him

That’s not gonna help when it comes to limming scum (hence, “correct”) but as far as gimmicks go it’s v fun and therefore it would be boring to lim him by default

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Okay either way irrelevant unless we’re actually thinking of limming porkens which I don’t think we are hopefully

I also don’t wanna get overly focussed on that vs interesting stuff — namely what furtive townread you for early on and why bloodbot is a wagon

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morning I have a very important question for you when you get back here next but you have to promise not to be mad at me for asking you

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I'm happy to lock biancospino in as town for now. The difference from Micro 1068 is night and day

how are you getting a night and day difference? I think his posts look broadly similar

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VOTE: imaginality

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Could you please show me any three posts that bianco has made this game that you think would not fit with his tone in 1068?

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VOTE: grandpa mo

I don’t really care for imaginality!wagon, that was just to have some action, this I actually like for scum

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I think porkens was in many way the default option for a push bc of the chatgpt gimmick and is therefore a very easy/lazy push to make

P much the LHF argument I guess

Also I like porkens’ explanation for why he switched to normal posting and I like him for town so far, so I’m thinking that increases the odds of him being a target for scum late to the game vs scum himself who was coasting on a gimmick

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also @menalque can we like work together that one time like we did before and figure scum out ?

i missed playn wit ya bud

Weren’t you scum with ydrasse that game

If there was another one then I’m sorry I forgot, it’s been a pretty long mostly-hiatus D:

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It is good to see you tho

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Oh also the push seems way overly aggro for what is there in porkens’ posts but I was mostly letting that go from what i remembered of your playstyle

(There was one other thing you did which I think is +scum but I’m trying to work out if it’s an actual tell or not so don’t wanna reveal what it is)

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Oh also the push seems way overly aggro for what is there in porkens’ posts but I was mostly letting that go from what i remembered of your playstyle

(There was one other thing you did which I think is +scum but I’m trying to work out if it’s an actual tell or not so don’t wanna reveal what it is)

im still analyzing the game. if i am being completely honest, i wanted to come in a stand with a read and work it out -- which in this case, porkens happened. they told me [implied] to not look at them because they have 0 votes and you should look at the person at e2. saw their iso and if u compare the both -- porkens is worse. literally take a look for yourself. i would rather have someone that is contributing and providing an analystic approach to their reads versus someone who hasn't said virtually anything useful in the game, chatgpt or not.

tldr; give me like by tonight; (around 10 hours from now) to get me a solid grasp on the game, then reevaulate me to get a fair unbaised judgment.

Eh, sure, why not

I don’t think either iso is bad so :shrug:

I actually have like a couple of different places I would like to go but I don’t really feel like driving the game so I’ll talk about those slots if they continue to not do anything town

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Sorry, just poking my head in to say v busy weekend and I’ll be back tomorrow

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VOTE: grandapa mo

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@dei, I know I'm very late with this, but let me run through what I liked about Nyx's early game

I scumread Nyx.
-Morta

I townread her. Now, please accept this OMGUS vote as a token of my heartfelt appreciation.

VOTE: Dei Ex Machina

- Nyx

this tone is v lighthearted and I generally like that unless it's from someone who I think has 0 issues replicating tone as scum --this is partly why I asked if anyone knew if her scumgame was stronk

I do think they are just having fun, but

the tide is turning a bit more serious as we speak

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And them asking for Mr Glance to explain their read on Imaginalty pinged me for some reason.

That's the direction I was trying to shift things in with those last couple of posts.

Nothing sticks out to me as AI in imaginality's 3 posts, so I'm confused as to why Mr. Glance thinks they're scummy and especially why he's confident in it. I'd still like to see a response to 80.

- Nyx

What's the reasoning for that?

- Nyx

Too serious too early on

, and

copying Porkens' gimmick

(as have other users tbf but I townread bianco and BloodBot was fairly readable last game with them)

Mr. Glance

I don't find early-game seriousness or silliness to be AI. It has more to do with playstyle in my experience. I suppose it's fair enough if you do though.
Even then, I don't think you can apply that to imaginality's posting. Their only serious comment so far has been the one about putting hydras under pressure.

You may have a point here.

- Nyx

Is imaginality aware of that joke?

- Nyx

I liked these posts for trying to push the game forward and encourage an environment in which it was easier to solve the game without trying to dominate in a certain direction. I liked the follow up on imaginality because wanting to know if imaginality actually knew about the joke is something I think flows quite naturally from someone uninformed and trying to make sense of things. Not saying it's unfakeable as scum, but I think it's a good town indicator

This also all reminded me of her approach in the last game I played with her where I thought that her entrance was very solve-y when she repped in and it's just similar vibes here

I like bianco’s recent posting, in the town bin she goes!

@Doctor Drew - bianco already pointed out where I explicitly said who I was talking about, but is there anything else you want me to clarify?

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I'm happy to lock biancospino in as town for now. The difference from Micro 1068 is night and day. Also:

Porkens is a dedicated method player in mafia games and will not abandon his persona under any circumstances. Those who target him for using chatgpt are disregarding a valid play style and strategy. Porkens is developing keen insights and will remain an effective and substantial participant in the game.

I'd guess it isn't truly neutral, no. By the way, I'm also unconvinced that chatgpt would be naturally as forceful as in 61 in advocating for the usefulness of its own use, but the fact is that one can easily get it to espouse pretty much any position by tinkering with the prompt. That is fine; Porkens announced that they meant to use this gimmick already while the game was in the queue, so clearly it's not AI that they are doing this. I am a little nervous that, if they're scum, this may give them somewhat of a weird advantage in that, if they post something wolfy, they may just rebut that it's the AI's doing, so I would kindly request that they also provide us the prompts they use if they wish to keep the gimmick

*chef's kiss*

- Nyx

this was less important as I think trajectories are quite easy to fake as scum, but insofar as they are valid this seemed reasonable as a progression on biancospino

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I'm about to go away for the weekend and Monday/tuesday are pretty packed days once I'm back, so don't expect anything meaningful from me until Wednesday at the earliest

sorry about the general inactivity, there's a variety of RL things that have needed to take precedence but while I'm never gonna be my old self re:activity I should be able to actually, y'know, be here and play from mid-next week onwards

if there's anything else I missed in my skim catch up that was for me someone ping me in the following page or two and I'll check when I can

ciao!

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Yeah it wasn’t kittytacky

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I still like VOTE: redFF best out of who’s left

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Oh wait I’m dumb there’s a serial killer

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VOTE: kittytacky

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This is scum or serial killer unless the SK is gated

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Yes this is a mechanical claim

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We still shouldn’t speed lim tho

I like all of (drew/dei ex, imaginality, porkens) for town, in that order

Then kitty is scum

Of who’s left I would say redFF > bianco

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Yes this is a mechanical claim

Sorry, what does that mean?

That I’m a PR and it’s pretty much set that kitty is scum unless there’s a v good alternative explanation for us missing a kill last night

I can full claim if needed but don’t necessarily see the need to unless people doubt my claim

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I disagree with a kittytacky elimination.

Why though?

Also curious about this

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I am mechanically certain that KT is town. It's an inconvenient truth.

I will play along, I just need to hear from KT, and Menal needs to explain more.

It would be really clutch if playing along included not needing to have menal explain more.

I don't want Menal to explain more about there role, just explain the SK thing

I’m not sure what you mean homie

I am indeed assuming that the 3rd party is an SK based on 2 kills N1

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Happy to lim red for now and then talk more about who we lim tomorrow

I am also kinda bothered by drew completely missing the 3rd party talk that happened I think twice (?) earlier in the game and that I managed to pick up on despite barely having been here? But was reading him as strongly town before that so I’m not sure how much to read into it

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I also doubt that titus would have roleblocked KT, I don’t think KT was having a large enough impact on the game to be her target N1

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Imaginality can you talk me through your doubts on why redFF is scum?

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Okay, that makes sense, sure

Porkens, is your KT clear from last night?

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Imaginality can you talk me through your doubts on why redFF is scum?

Mainly the GrandpaMo fake guilty on narrowparking gambit seemed more like the sort of daft thing town are more likely to do than scum.

I see you’ve never met GrandpaMo before

Okay, that makes sense, sure

Porkens, is your KT clear from last night?

Like I said it’s really mostly gut, but I think I have a very good gut.

Is it gut or are you mechanically certain? Because no offence but I don’t really care about how sure you are based on gut when I have strong mechanical reasons to think that KT is scum or 3rd party scum. If you have a mechanical clear on KT then I need you to tell me yes or no to the question of whether it was from last night?

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Okay, but you do, of course, understand why I hate this

UNVOTE: kitty

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Dei, what are your thoughts on bianco at this point in the game?

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If we hit scum today then we mass claim tomorrow

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Okay, that makes sense, sure

Porkens, is your KT clear from last night?

Like I said it’s really mostly gut, but I think I have a very good gut.

This is giving me vibes of Grandpa Mo's push on narrow parking. He was 100% sure, you're 999% sure. He went from mech to gut, seems like you're doing the same.

I also feel wary of how quickly Menalque took your word for KittyTacky being town.

Gonna sleep on this but my gut feels like you're wrong town.

I can think of at least 2 very good reasons to not push on Porkens here, and that’s why I’m willing to roll with this for today

Again, if we hit scum today then mass claim tomorrow and it will all make sense

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If red I will be on bianco tonight

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The anti-synergy of the town roles was quite interesting imo

I still maintain redFF was a good lim *shrug*

Gg and very well played to imaginality, ggwp to everyone else, thank you NM for modding!

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I voted redFF because I was mafia.

I do

not

townread Alianna*

*anymore and/or ever again

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Has been known to eye up the IKEA knives section
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this tickled me