Micro 1083: Garlic Bread Heist! (Game Over)

[Alisae]

idunno what to say in response to that :/

[Alisae]

1293 and 1294 feel town but they gotta go

[Alisae]

all you are doing is adding to the unpleasantness of the thread

I mean yes but what should shea do?

[Alisae]

i dont know!!!!!!!!

Ya its...complicated...

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:
fuck man now I'm paranoid

[Alisae]

i'm just frustrated

Ya but we can't sulk too much.
Best to just not acknowledge it.

[Alisae]

u did this twice man I was ready for death at e-1 once already

man I can't fucking help it

[Alisae]

you genuinely seem like you're just a villager trying to make the best of the situation

[Alisae]

We still have at least 2 days and 17 hours left I want Hellbooks to post I want xof to take stances

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

can garlic bread come back to the thread please I townread sheep >_<

[Alisae]

go look at the sheep games, this shouldn't spook you into unvoting.

Telling me "go do the research" isn't helpful I'm not particularly strong at meta diving people I form my meta reads on people based on experience playing w/ them and trying to understand the other player. It would be helpful if you visualized it.

You telling me sheep can fake this as mafia?

[Alisae]

Sheep doesn't have genuine reads

ok ya i think i can believe this i think if i were to iso map it i want to say this is the conclusion i would reach but actually doing it is more work than its worth when I could resolve it just as easily by voting.
I think this makes sense considering his progression on me is actually just all over the place.
VOTE: sheep

[Alisae]

You have to pretty much be hardcore paying attention to this slot to find these mistakes, but the slot itself has extremely jagged play.

ya I don't even wanna do it cuz im lazy but like ya its so odd

[Alisae]

Anyway the best way to think of the elimination is it's a public vig shot that everyone has to agree on and I think if there is one person in the game I would want to vig it's probably sheep
idunno the play has just been odd all game so ig I need to see it flip town to maybe start making sense of things

just feels so in the moment townie right now but if you say this is what sheep is good at faking ya I'll just believe you because you're probably way better at that kind of stuff than I am

[Alisae]

well not everyone has to agree on it but ya know

[Alisae]

Ya I was spitting in LLD's face the entire d1 by voting top 2 because if I could kill top 2 it's really good and I should have just told Datisi to kill it.

[Alisae]

lld was like no don't vote the top 4

I wanna vote the top 2
no don't do it
i wanna do it

[Alisae]

there's a wolf in the 6s

[Alisae]

My feeling is that baltar and sheep are of different alignment, the "i think this guy is town but i guess i'll vote him anyway, for the sake of the information" makes me think that way

okay how do you feel about voting sheep

[Alisae]

ok vote sheep

[Alisae]

why don't you want to do that

[Alisae]

no we are running out of time you have to answer now

[Alisae]

We want to start being proactive now so that we're not panicking trying to scramble for deadline

[Alisae]

I think you are looking for an excuse not to vote sheep when it is +town to vote sheep and end day

I think sheep is our best chance of eliminating the mafia and I think anything else is unlikely to happen. I won't be voting w/ you unless you voted shea. No one is going to vote tris skygazer xof. I don't think I want to do Balter > Sheep.

[Alisae]

like what if sheep flips town and everyone is like did you see the nasty way hellbooks waffled about it before voting

if sheep flips town we can get our heads out of our asses and look elsewhere

[Alisae]

I think Garlic Bread saying that Sheep doesn't have reads is an accurate observation if you look at the reads and votes that sheep has put out when they put them out

[Alisae]

They are apparently good at faking that kind of posting so I am just going to have to take Garlic Bread's word for it

[Alisae]

I mean yes you're allowed to ask something like that because technically be mafia and be like "Hellbooks, I promise you I'm aligned with the village."

[Alisae]

look killing sheep is as easy as voting it.

It's really easy you don't have to do any work you just have to use your vote

it's like shooting a gun, all you have to do is pull the trigger

[Alisae]

i think you made like dozens of town posts and then all of a sudden you having the paranoia about sheep but then being suddenly reconvinced by garlic bread feels worrying to me

you should still be voting sheep then

[Alisae]

Im not sure why i in particular am being sold so hard on voting sheep at this particular moment surely there are more willing and trigger happy collaborators, as well as ample time to recruit them. Is the reason you want me in particular to vote sheep information-gathering in nature

I want you to put your vote in play

[Alisae]

Garlic why do I get the distinct impression Hellbooks is trying to literally come up with any excuse they can to not vote sheep?

[Alisae]

was my logic bad or something that I should be unconvincing?

they didn't read it and quite frankly I don't think they care about anything you say

[Alisae]

ah well i guess this is where I should shed the charade of scumreading shea, i just wanted to discredit him to help force sheep

i swear to god AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Alisae]

brother in fucking christ do I have to be the bridge that makes you two work together?

[Alisae]

ah well i guess this is where I should shed the charade of scumreading shea, i just wanted to discredit him to help force sheep

i swear to god AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

u know i had to...

THATS AN AWFUL WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT >_<

[Alisae]

THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYONE

[Alisae]

I would literally be so insanely happy if sheep flipped red and you limmed me d2

put a vote down on sheep if ur mafia you can just tell the mod you wanna concede and boom teh game is over no one has to play anymore everyone wins

[Alisae]

it helps me get what i want :3

NO IT DOESN'T

[Alisae]

KOBA PEOPLE DON'T WANNA ENGAGE WITH UR POSTS BECAUSE YOU GOT INTO A SHITFIGHT WITH SHEA

[Alisae]

I think Hellbooks is actually just looking for any excuse they can to just not put a vote down

I think town more likely than not in hellbook's position is just likely to say "fuck it lets just go to night" and types vote sheep

[Alisae]

it helps me get what i want :3

NO IT DOESN'T

ok consider i havent played a micro in like years and forgot how to approach them properly and am only used to pulling strings in bigger games

ok so I am the best villager player in this list then huh

[Alisae]

Cool can we Lim gb now

Who vote Garlic Bread?
You, Sheep, Hellbooks, you got 2 more names?

[Alisae]

she is voting shea

[Alisae]

ok boom 1 more shea can you end our fucking misery please

[Alisae]

ok I can find 1 more vote

[Alisae]

it doesn't have to be you

[Alisae]

I claim doctor btw

ok you're on me

[Alisae]

flipping sheep is best for game health

[Alisae]

At this point ausuka could come into the thread and flip sheep red in front of me and I'm not voting there.

not throwing btw

this does not help

[Alisae]

Alisae can you give me the quick summary on garly's posts from now on? I have put them on foed list

[Alisae]

what is happening

if you vote sheep magic will happen

[Alisae]

Alisae can you give me the quick summary on garly's posts from now on? I have put them on foed list

foe doesnt work in mafia games.. nice try

This was a reference to when you pretended to do this in a game and I messaged you later and asked "wait how did you do that is there an extension that puts people on foe" and you were like "no i just made it in mspaint" or whatever

OH THE MEMORIES

[Alisae]

i feel like i'm incapable of bringing a red flip. like sheep could be red right now and i'd hammer and the electrons would rearrange and sheep would flip green because the universe likes to taunt me

have you ever shot a gun before

[Alisae]

let me tell you

voting sheep is as easy as shooting you a gun
like pulling the trigger, all yo have to do is just type in the vote

[Alisae]

way easy than trying to rely on mafia hunting skills to detect if sheep is town or mafia

[Alisae]

what is happening

Garlic is literally caught scum.

source: im big mad

im dead

[Alisae]

I can't stop laughing that's too funny

[Alisae]

Sigh

[Alisae]

Shea xof sheep 2 more

[Alisae]

Well tris and skygazer go to garlic bread? Or will they stay on sheep?
Will hellbooks hop off and switch wagons?

[Alisae]

Let’s find out

[Alisae]

Ur at 2 votes right now

[Alisae]

Idunno this is insane I would welcome a sheep flip but anyone who can drop hammer is scared of killing town

[Alisae]

What makes u think sheep can be helpful

[Alisae]

I think sheeps flip will be more helpful than any post he can make

[Alisae]

Let’s break down sheep voters
Gb - had tried to kill sheep and is the only person who is really looking at sheep posts with a careful eye
Vp - compromising on sheep otherwise wants to kill me
Ali - wants to kill sheep
Hellbooks - pressured into voting sheep

Not sheep voters
Skygazer - feels like if they vote sheep it flips town and they have regrets
Shea - wants to vote garlic bread
Tris - ???????
Xof - feels like sheep is an “easy vote” and no one is really pushing back on it

[Alisae]

Xof I don’t think the idea that no one is pushing back against sheep is true. That only really fits w/ shea.
I don’t really know what skygazer and tris are doing but for whatever reason they don’t want to send sheep to the shadow realm

I genuinely could not tell u who I think the mafia voting sheep would be if they’re town I think they have to be mafia

[Alisae]

Regardless if it’s not sheep we have to run someone else up which means another claim and I don’t want that I would rather just kill the claimed vt sheep that is causing so much headache for the thread

[Alisae]

DUDE LITERALLY 2 PEOPLE SAY THEY DIE IF SHEEP FLIPS WOLF LMFAO WHAT IS GOING ON

[Alisae]

hellbooks should i hammer sheep

PLEASE I AM BEGGING U

[Alisae]

Put your lovin hand out, baby
‘Cause I’m beggin’

[Alisae]

AAAAAAAAAA

[Alisae]

Alisae are mortal enemies and yet we both agree this us good

I am losing my fucking mind

[Alisae]

Please someone kill the sheep he won’t vote himself despite saying he might 5 times over

[Alisae]

Finally it’s over heads dead

[Alisae]

This has to flip red bro

[Alisae]

Hmmmmm yes I will pretend to care about sheep legacy

[Alisae]

i wish i had hammered

Why didn’t u

[Alisae]

Hmmmmm yes I will pretend to care about sheep legacy

idk why ur shitting on my usefulness bro my read accuracy has genuinely gotten more and more respectable as ive progressed further away from puberty

It has nothing to do with u or ur read accuracy no one cares about what dead town has to say

[Alisae]

I love shitposting

[Alisae]

VOTE: vp baltar

[Alisae]

His posts read like flailing

[Alisae]

I also thought it would be funny to hammer

[Alisae]

I’m gonna read but I’m pretty sure game is over if we just
VOTE: shea

I don’t think GB is clear. Jk + 1-shot bp is townsided for a micro and is usually balanced by wolves having a roleblocker but I think they are town and willing to leave it at that.

I feel like mostly everyone else is very likely to be town so I think just killing shea wins game

[Alisae]

Ok I read

I am going to stand by game being over if shea dies.
I really do just believe that all of garlic, xof, tris.
Hellbooks is like kiiinda townie but not as townie but more townie than shea so this is just where I stand

[Alisae]

From my pov it’s clear baltar went after sheep than me as a miselim but this is meaningless to everyone else.

[Alisae]

Probably because I (deliberately) made myself easy to push and he went for it

[Alisae]

From my pov it’s clear baltar went after sheep than me as a miselim but this is meaningless to everyone else.

Weird because he went after *me* d2

I mean I am referring to d1
He was outed d2 and flailing I wouldn’t take too much of what he had to say then to heart

[Alisae]

Probably went for u because he thought the village would be swayed in that direction

[Alisae]

I think the d1 wagon had 1 wolf on it and I think baltar wagon had 2 wolves on it because baltar self’d and that wagon was built up fairly quickly so shea is who stands out to me

[Alisae]

Like d1 went from like 2 votes (me and gb) to hammer range to 2 votes to 3 when baltar votes to 2 when i up vote then 3 when i revoke and then I had to finally push it through and talk people into voting sheep and I think the people who voted sheep were villagers

[Alisae]

Is that post it?
I’m of the belief that shea approached d1 from an informed perspective

[Alisae]

Oh ok then idunno who would be mafia xddd

[Alisae]

from my perspective I am ok w/ xof going to f4
I am ok w/ tris going to f4
I would probably lean towards the above players winning the game.

Hellbooks eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh I can see them being a villager.
Would I want to lose that eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh idunno

One of {Garlic, Me} is going to F4

That leaves Shea who I think would be really good to flip going into F4.

[Alisae]

I can understand why one might have them as villager but I really really really have a hard to justifying why they are more town than xof + tris + garlic
That is my townbloc and I am okay w/ at least xof and tris winning game.

Idunno I would maybe vote Hellbooks but like idunno their play doesn't really come across as wolf play to me.

I think it's important we play this day out and drag this day for as long as we could tho. I think that is a really good idea.

[Alisae]

I think I said mostly everything I want to say right now so I am going to throw the ball back in Xof + hellbooks court

[Alisae]

I was literally thinking "oh i could post but i like how we all decided to have a day of rest"

It was less decide to give the game rest, and more I have so much shit going on emotionally today that I have nothing to give the game.

Balls in ur courts

[Alisae]

hug

[Alisae]

black mirror season 6 came out today no play today

bouncing things off of me is useful regardless of my alignment

[Alisae]

it's not like anyone reads me for the logic I use heck mafia isn't really a game about logic cuz logic can be twisted to justify anything

[Alisae]

My scum buddy is VPB so don't come after either of us.

lmao

[Alisae]

ok i re-read the first 6 pages my initial impressions don't change much and I still want to kill shea

Xof i still townread up to page 6
tris i def townread up to page 6
hellbooks is harder but i like their current posting
I also feel better about Garlic's posting up to page 6 as well. Truth is they're my 2nd pick but honestly I really really really don't think its garlic bread.

nothing shea did within the first 6 pages makes me think it's impossible for them not to be a wolf. Their interactions w/ baltar can be svs like anything up to that point w/ baltar it is not impossible for it to be svs

[Alisae]

If people would like to talk about why they think it's not shea I think that's what I want to hear about the most.

[Alisae]

Can't wait for sheep to flip green and for gb to be like oh actually I knew they were town I was just reaction testing tsq and he's scum now for sure.

Why are you so certain he flips green?

EoD1

idunno what makes you think these 2 aren't able to interact w/ each other in such a way they did plenty of this up to page 6 w/ a bit more theater they could do it again

[Alisae]

I've been reading between the lines and there is 0 chance you convince me to push shea today at all

like ig you have to enlighten me.

[Alisae]

My scum buddy is VPB so don't come after either of us.

this is their first post in the game and I do not think there is town motivation behind this post lmao
I would honestly consider it to be a coincidence if this post was made by town but I think Shea's progression on me to "Ali can be pretty town via meta" to "Ali can be in wolf range" to "Ali is a wolf" ya no lol I don't buy it.

Baltar's arguments were flimsy and shea is probably coming into me because like what are you going to go into garlic bread or tris or xof lmfao?????????
Hellbooks and me are the easiest pills to sell.
Garlic Bread becomes an easier sell @ F4 and F3 but like no lmao

If I am town, where do wolves push?
answer is me that just makes the most sense to push lol

[Alisae]

i see a perfectly plausible reason to make that post. its called "making a joke" based on content from posts already made

oh ok so they can make a joke as any alignment right

[Alisae]

and our job as villagers is to sort through that and try to figure out the wine right?

[Alisae]

like I don't think they're mafia for that post.
I don't think that would be very convincing.

I think they are making that post as a member of the mafia

[Alisae]

like only u sky tris and sheep posted at that point

[Alisae]

I am sorry that I am better villager than you are @ micros

[Alisae]

or u can not waste our time discussing obviously inconclusive posts if you are aware its not convincing ?

wasting time lmfao
ya cuz that time isn't being used by anyone

[Alisae]

yes because shea is going to get super big mad at me for pushing sheep while letting me push baltar for free and then later himself also pushing baltar

mhmm

Sure wynaut, I would consider that good team play.
Shea getting mad at you and deliberating making game atmosphere worse is a tool that's in his toolbox and if it means people will trust you or be willing to work with you less they'll do it

[Alisae]

if I am town who is it koba?

[Alisae]

TRIS???????????

[Alisae]

why would it be tris?

[Alisae]

ok you are wrong or mafia
probably just wrong

[Alisae]

xof??????????????

[Alisae]

their baltar read can come from town is there something else that strikes you as off in that post

[Alisae]

It's not like Baltar was incapable of faking wolfhunting because he was certainly trying to do that

[Alisae]

oh

im not great at trying to find tmi if its not early stages of the game but ig this is kind of early

[Alisae]

I don't see it

[Alisae]

you can be wrong ig its rly not my problem if you don't wanna vote mafia

[Alisae]

how did u get so bad at reading me lol

[Alisae]

how did u get so bad at reading me lol

o wait my range is more infintie now idunno can't rly blame u shrug

[Alisae]

my late game as both alignments is practically the same now i will vote for who i think is mafia (or who I want u to believe is mafia if I am mafia)

[Alisae]

tbh koba I am going "well ig I am the better player" because you said so yourself that you're not really good at micros (I thrive in micros) and not to mention when most people think of your slot they think of all of the things you did to spew toxicity which is not as good of a look compared to me who was just sick of it and just said "ya ok so we need people to just vote sheep and end this fucking day"

you make it really hard to rally behind you and I had to essentially spend the entire of d1 doing what you could to get what YOU wanted because I was willing to work with you (I know how to work with you better than you know how to work w/ most of the playerlsit(it was also just easier to do w/ baltar voting sheep(it's not like getting baltar or shea could be done you said so yourself you didn't even want shea)))

and it wasn't even right, it felt like it wasn't right, but you were like "no it's gotta be sheep kekw"
and I took your word for it because I mean hey you're the person who is actually reading what sheep is posting and it's not like a lot of his votes make sense
/shrug

idunno koba, do whatever you want. I'm town, you can afford to kill me. I'm not going to be mad, my range is infinite (I probably am and would be posting like this if I was a wolf). I helped you get what you wanted d1, you want me now, so I am just going to go for what I want. You can and should be trying to kill me this day phase if ur town maybe you will see the light in f4 and if you don't then it is not my problem if you are confused or not!

I am going to try to convince tris and xof to vote shea. I am also lazy so I'm not going to do it very well and I'm certainly not going to attack his posts because for me it's much easier to point out how everyone is just so much more villagery than shea.

[Alisae]

I have some energy in me I am going to try to do a xof map

[Alisae]

LEGEND FOR ISO MAPS

+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes
u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
☾ ☀ marks boundaries between days. (if the thread isn't locked during the night then i use sun and moon both, otherwise i just pick one)
✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
r the slot they're talking about was replaced
R the slot I'm ISO mapping was replaced
⌾ marks a slot that has been tree-stumped/innocent child reveal
_ conspicuous absences (a post that mentions almost everybody in the playerlist except one person)
k dayvig (real or fake)

[Alisae]

ok i did 1 saved it as a draft will post tomorrow after the player posts gnight

[Alisae]

Xofelf 1713

Garlic Bread

v35 =51 =51 +u142 +179 =-275 =-280 =287 =669 =671 ==697 ?-899 =901 =906 =916 =922 =987 -998 v-1418 -1439 -1460 ☀ ☀

Hellbooks

=669 =697 =?+669 ☀ =1713 ☀

Alisae

=181 +293 =571 +697 -+902 ☀ ☀

Thestatusquo

?+697 ☀ ☀

Tris

+697 =1138 ☀ ☀

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sheepsaysmeep

=275 =368 =-697 ==902 =1138 +1420 ☀ ☀

VP Baltar

+275 +697 +902 ☀ ☀

Skygazer

+697 =1138 ☀ ☀

[Alisae]

that was ... a very easy endgame to win... i'll leave it at that

kekw

[Alisae]

some users have historically went after people who blacklisted them in an effort to harass them into playing games with them

this is real?

[Alisae]

however (at least from my pov) game got a lot easier once you were cleared via flip and baltar flipping red just made it an easy solve via a PoE

yellow

[Alisae]

i demand a green M&M

[Alisae]

If I had to say 2 teams I think it could be it would either be like {skygazer, shea} or {VP, Sheep} and right now I want to flip {VP, Sheep} its probably just these 2. {VP Shea} is still a possibility

skygazer latest posting to me comes across as lost townie > lost wolf

[Alisae]

some users have historically went after people who blacklisted them in an effort to harass them into playing games with them

this is real?

yes

crazy

[Alisae]

Oh idk who i bullied put of game by replacing in, but.

Can you uh, tell me next time so we won't end up in disaster.

you didn't bully me I just didn't feel like dealing with it at the time.
I woke up saw your vote and thought "ya lmao this isn't going away" xD

[Alisae]

Oh idk who i bullied put of game by replacing in, but.

Can you uh, tell me next time so we won't end up in disaster.

you didn't bully me I just didn't feel like dealing with it at the time.
I woke up saw your vote and thought "ya lmao this isn't going away" xD

Do i really look like that stubborn.

I just woke up
I never said I react rationally when I wake up

[Alisae]

thanks to people who liked the flavour!! i've been trying to work on my writing skills so i'm glad people understood it and enjoyed it

yes ausuka it was very fun