mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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VOTE: pooky
ok last post for real bc i think i understand ranger now after how badly they double downed on their(faulty) assumption about my frustration/play and sorta the kind of robotic response in 593 actually gave me a key for ranger's thought process-ish.sorry for the flooding! but i will at least say I did not leave empty handed from this so I did not *waste* the threadspace at least.
mainly just wanted to change my vote lolz
ok signing off....
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Alisae lolbalance
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gives me something to read when I get around to sitting down and reading gameIn post 600, DkKoba wrote: sorry again for the spam-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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That's the thing.In post 574, DkKoba wrote:i think u are actually way better than this as town seeing your townplay and seeing u get into a tunnel like this is uncharacteristic of you
I'm not tunneling.
You're portraying my read on you as a tunnel.
I've been fairly consistent in stating my reads are fluid and change. I formed an initial weak scumread on you. It was never strong, mostly gut. This read has evolved off the content following. Despite the presence of townier content in the newer posts, the read remains, because of a belief you've demonstrated a lack of sincerity in your 'scumhunting' efforts.
There's certainly doubts to my read! I might express them when not thoroughly exhausted. (I should've been asleep two hours ago.) There's nothing uncharacteristic of mehavinga scumread. If you are pushing the narrative this scumread is some hardcore deathtunnel, that's exactly that; a narrative. It doesn't reflect reality.
Right or wrong, I have a scumread on you. I've good reasons for it. These reasons aren't absolute. They still exist, and are for now, my best lead. I fully admit I could be wrong. I've made many D1 pushes which I thought were for good reasons and learned I was mistaken. Given the balance of evidence I have, you're still my top lead for scum.
Given the content of those posts, I did. Meuh had a lighthearted jokey vibe which is disproportionately likely to be +town.In post 574, DkKoba wrote: i do not believe you found players like Meuh to have a "vibe' that good off those 4 posts.
I do drop players in my reads when I don't see posts from them. Or sometimes, the inverse. When I see those players posting again, I resume adjusting their position. I did say so previously, when I specified "recency bias".
This is a disingenuous portrayal of my responses. I never doubled down on refusing to explain with "it's just how I play".In post 574, DkKoba wrote: ofc doubling down on not explaining and just copping out with "its just how i play" doesnt help.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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I don't recall using autism as an excuse.In post 576, DkKoba wrote: as an autistic person, the autism excuse is weak and boring
I do recall snark about it specifically because of knowing you're autistic andshouldrecognize the variance.
Naturally, Iamcapable of citing posts to make points very easily. I've never said I can't. Quite the opposite. I've acknowledged Ican.
What Ihavespecified, is I'm not capable of citing postsright now. Autism doesn't make for a consistent response which will always be exactly the same. Capabilitiesvaryon different days. Andtoday, I'm incapable of it. I've the full capability for it on adifferentday.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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The Team Mafia game is the first to come to mind, yes.In post 579, DkKoba wrote:is what i am assuming ranger has at best, and if so they should actually say that.
I'll research on my own when I've the ability to.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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I'm rather certain I'm not the player clinging to assumptions in this debate.In post 582, DkKoba wrote:i just want someone to have a nuanced and deep conversation about mafia with rather than this stupid debunking cycle that i get into every other towngame because i have to teach people how to not assume things and if they *do* assume to LISTEN to the clarification.
I'll recognize 582 as making me reconsider my scumread, among others. I'll process it as I can.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Alisae lolbalance
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Alisae lolbalance
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when I read I wanna see if the posting that I haven't caught up changes anything.-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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Sure. Success isn't guaranteed though, particularly given different inherent motives and knowledge bases. Scum have a motive different from town and between motive and knowledge, their approach differs. I believe town motivators can be present in town by scum not being able to portray them. I believe town motivators can be present in scum by scum being able to portray them. I believe scum indicators can be present in town because of town imperfections combined with scum imitation. I believe scum indicators can be present in scum because of scum revealing their alignment.In post 583, DkKoba wrote:did u know.. um.. that.... peoples scumgames.. um... tend to mimic their umm,.,............ towngames sometimes.. super CRAZY i know.
I previously believed your demonstrated town indicators were scum mimicking your towngame. I previously believed your demonstrated scum indicators weren't town imperfections and were a betrayal of your alignment.
I'm less certain now.
I'll say I see this in 583, and some of your more recent posting. As I said, not tunneled. I'll say I certainly didn't see them for most of this back-and-forth. If I looked back, your very first engagement was likely also pulling answers out. A great deal of the early-middle section, I saw only accusation. I'll say I believe there's no accusation in this post, at the very least, which combined with prior doubts, warrants consideration.In post 583, DkKoba wrote: idk how u cant see that im actually trying to pull answers out of you!
For you to be scum would require you to have adapted your strategy on the fly and completely changed tactics towards this. Not impossible...yet not likely. Given the unlikelihood of scum fluidly shifting as you have in this way, I've talked my way into a townread. I've doubts, yet I don't feel content wagoning you.
VOTE: xyzzy
Would also vote ofhrz.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Despite my belief you're not accusing me, I'll state this is false though. I've not posted a readslist since the beginning of the back-and-forth to demonstrate the change. My reads did shift considerably. The very top and very bottom remained identical. Every middle position changed.In post 583, DkKoba wrote:in fact after like page 5 theyve stayed pretty much the same!AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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You're not alone in losing sleep.In post 588, DkKoba wrote:i am literally sacrificing sleep to prove u wrong.
Fortunately, it did bear fruit regardless of your alignment as I lean town by some unknown amount rn. I'll have a visualization of how much when I do my last readslist of the night.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Imperfect readslist, too tired to ruminate further. The answer to how town I think Koba is: apparently, quite a lot. Not strongly (that's Meuh and above), not weakly (that's Alisae and below), still a lot.
Readlist definitely has some stale tiers to fix Wednesday.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Dannflor he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Ranger, do you have any words to put to your read on me-
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Dannflor he/himSurvivorhe/him
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WOO 10 pages discussing meta-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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In post 596, DkKoba wrote: ok dont let me post for (expired on 2023-08-09 13:35:09)
i have posted more than 2x the next highest person and people are prob gonna kill me for flooding thread anyways and making it "unreadable" lol
o well
i will claim if needed but otherwise radio silence
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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I'm pretty sure that's NAI and just how Ranger posts? Did you check any scum games?In post 355, DkKoba wrote: ok funny moment but i think ranger probably not rly that scummy after a little meta dive bc all they posted for a little bit in a town game was those readslists lmao
regardless,
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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I really don't get this point? Players can make a similar amount/density of content and one can be townie and the other scummy? Or is this just an "objectively scummy" point you're making jokinglyIn post 376, DkKoba wrote: actually looking this over, wtf are these reads lists
link to actual in game stuff pls
[meta]hi schadd just in case ranger is town, the reads lists that ranger has presented are objectively pretty scummy in nature, they are supposedly from early pages, however Meuh is somehow top 4 despite only having 4 posts and are similar in content to mine, however I was put at the bottom vs meuh. god bless tommy edman[/meta]-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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I just honestly don't get where this frustration is coming fromIn post 383, DkKoba wrote: ok im just gonna park VOTE: ranger
this game's vibes are insufferable bc there is so much bad faith going around, impossible standards for slots being tunneled(yeah maybe think about whether the person you are pushing, if you applied the standards you are giving them to anyone else, how would you feel about that slot?), and no interactivity with anyone
also drew quite frankly, i am very insulted that you called my genuine reasoning not explaining anything.
the fuck am i supposed to say? i gave my genuine reason. accept it or dont, dont accuse me of not explaining anything just because you failed to comprehend what i said
I don't think people have been acting in bad faith? They just haven't approached the game or their read on you in the way you'd like them to-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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Feels very scum being scumread for the "wrong reasons"-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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What new evidence lmao you're just calling your wagon bad and saying Ranger's approach to reads (which seems NAI to me) is scummyIn post 451, DkKoba wrote: curious that since my activity sharply picked up, not a single peep from people on my wagon on whether the new evidence has changed anything for them
some are just afk! others im just p sure are scum tbh-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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Like wow there sure are a lot of posts there that don't actually change my mind about anything in the slightest-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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So realIn post 495, Doctor Drew wrote: It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.
At least make it look like a real fight at this point.-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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viewtopic.php?t=89094In post 502, DkKoba wrote:
when have you ever seen theater like this? please link a game, i want to congratulate those players on being such great scum players.In post 499, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.In post 496, DkKoba wrote:
youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contributeIn post 495, Doctor Drew wrote: It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.
At least make it look like a real fight at this point.
Literally the only scumgame I've seen you play had you do a bunch of theatre with your partner (Dwlee) early on that I fell for-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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I'm sorry but Koba's complaining about people being bad faith when their points just do not seem genuine-
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Meuh She/herJack of All TradesShe/her
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(Fwiw I'm not really convinced of Pooky's alignment either way, but I think brushing off the idea of Pooky/Koba being scum theatre doesn't rly make sense and Koba would obviously know it's theatre they're capable of)
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