The idea that if I were scum, I might mirror my PoV to yours in particular is kind of silly, but I also think it is a townie paranoia to have.In post 494, Meuh wrote: Luke's entrance overlaps a lot with my own perspective on the game over time and I don't know if that's something I should feel good or bad about
Your slot has been the only one he's been scumreading, I don't think it's unfair to characterize that as a push. I realize your read of him is not primarily based around how he's handling your slot. That doesn't make a huge difference to me in terms of how I view it. It's partially also because I feel like other people have been towny and your slots were ones I was uncertain on and didn't have strong towntells from either of you.In post 499, Lukewarm wrote: You said that part of it was because we were mutually pushing each other, and I counted that by saying that GL has not been particularly pushing me.
Does that change your take on whether me flipping town would bolster a GL scum read? Or do you feel like I missed something from the GL push?
Do you feel that way about us, even if you were wrong about the mutual push? if so, why?
True it doesn't but I don't townread you. If I'm wrong on you then either I'm wrong on cakez (entirely possible but I'm personally not going to vote him Day 1), or someone else is getting misread by people.In post 488, Dunnstral wrote:That does not mean I am mafia.In post 482, catboi wrote: VOTE: Dunn
I guess I land here: not really strongly townread by anyone but also not getting pressured.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
GuiltyLion (3) | Meuh (356), Lukewarm (427), Dunnstral (490) |
Lukewarm (2) | GuiltyLion (146), SirCakez (463) |
Dunnstral (2) | catboi (482), PookyTheMagicalBear (484) |
Bell (1) | Ydrasse (32) |
Not Voting (1) | Bell (468) |
I literally just said we shouldn't vote you Day 1 so I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm trying to eliminate you. I would only push to eliminate you if you weren't NKed and after a mass claim your claim was one we decided didn't really fit in the setup. You're right I'm trying to eliminate outside you two, but I don't think you're ever scum together, so there's almost certainly a scum outside you. In the event I'm wrong on there being a scum between you two then voting outside you is even more beneficial to the town for obvious reasons.In post 505, Lukewarm wrote: I think that I am convincing myself that GL is town, and that catboi is positioning to eliminate him after killing me for being a tracker.
Both because he linked the two of us together in a way that seems disingenuous, but also in the same post of doing that just side stepped eliminating inside the pair entirely for the day.
Especially when reading 502, and his pivot into Dunn feels toothless, like it was just The Best Option Left. Not like he even thought his thoughts on Dunn were Good.
I was not saying that I felt like you were trying to eliminate me. I specifically meant night kill me, and then use my town flip to elim GL.In post 506, catboi wrote: I literally just said we shouldn't vote you Day 1 so I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm trying to eliminate you. I would only push to eliminate you if you weren't NKed
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I don't know where you'd get the idea I'd be able to effortlessly chain-elim GL and then you
My issue is that you seemed more confident in there being scum between me and GL, yet chose Dunn.In post 506, catboi wrote: Why do I have to have a scumread I feel confident about on Day 1?
In post 508, Lukewarm wrote:I was not saying that I felt like you were trying to eliminate me. I specifically meant night kill me, and then use my town flip to elim GL.In post 506, catboi wrote: I literally just said we shouldn't vote you Day 1 so I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm trying to eliminate you. I would only push to eliminate you if you weren't NKed
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I don't know where you'd get the idea I'd be able to effortlessly chain-elim GL and then you
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I mean, I get it, but that's still very silly.
I have other means of getting insight into you besides voting out GL. I felt at the time you were more likely to be scum than him so I wasn't keen on voting him out. (But maybe I'm wrong on you!). If push came to shove I might vote him, but as I've said, if there's a scum outside you two it makes perfect sense to me to try to find that scum first. If I vote one of you out and it's wrong that's bad, if I'm wrong on both of you it's probably a game-loing read. So to me it doesn't hurt to vote outside. Night actions/claims will potentially help clear you up, if we manage to flip scum outside you then we can see if that scum makes sense as a teammate with either of you.In post 509, Lukewarm wrote:My issue is that you seemed more confident in there being scum between me and GL, yet chose Dunn.In post 506, catboi wrote: Why do I have to have a scumread I feel confident about on Day 1?
Your stated position is that you GL is one of the lower people in your reads, and that his flip would give you insight into me, so that seems like the direction that would be more natural.
But you didn't go that direction. Instead, you voted you weaker read, and punted the Luke/GL pair down the road.
I wouldn't say I was more confident on GL being scum, that doesn't accurately reflect my position. My read on Dunn isn' verystrong, it's just the best I have currently.
LmaoIn post 508, Lukewarm wrote:I was not saying that I felt like you were trying to eliminate me. I specifically meant night kill me, and then use my town flip to elim GL.In post 506, catboi wrote: I literally just said we shouldn't vote you Day 1 so I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm trying to eliminate you. I would only push to eliminate you if you weren't NKed
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I don't know where you'd get the idea I'd be able to effortlessly chain-elim GL and then you
I have other means of getting insight into you besides voting out GL. I felt at the time you were more likely to be scum than him so I wasn't keen on voting him out. (But maybe I'm wrong on you!). If push came to shove I might vote him, but as I've said, if there's a scum outside you two it makes perfect sense to me to try to find that scum first. If I vote one of you out and it's wrong that's bad, if I'm wrong on both of you it's probably a game-loing read. So to me it doesn't hurt to vote outside. Night actions/claims will potentially help clear you up, if we manage to flip scum outside you then we can see if that scum makes sense as a teammate with either of you.In post 509, Lukewarm wrote:My issue is that you seemed more confident in there being scum between me and GL, yet chose Dunn.In post 506, catboi wrote: Why do I have to have a scumread I feel confident about on Day 1?
Your stated position is that you GL is one of the lower people in your reads, and that his flip would give you insight into me, so that seems like the direction that would be more natural.
But you didn't go that direction. Instead, you voted you weaker read, and punted the Luke/GL pair down the road.
I believe in my catIn post 506, catboi wrote: Dunn is obvious scum
its ok Bell we're cartoon animal friend for life regardless of the color of our role pmsIn post 514, Bell wrote: Ah, Pooky cult counter, numbers go up.
happy birthday ydrasseIn post 512, Ydrasse wrote: catching up tmrw ~
Don't know what you mean in particular by this.As far as my response goes, I'm trying to be more communicative for the most part. I think Luke's pushback on me is extremely goofy but it's not setting off the same "absolute bullshit" flags the last two times I saw him as scum. I'm bad at reading people who scumread me though, as I've stated. I can't tell if they're being reasonable or not because I'm biased on knowing my alignment. I usually just reflexively OMGUS if they're being annoying enough.In post 514, Bell wrote: I find catboi's take on Luke's interactions with the tvt thing surprisingly persuasive. I'm kind of wondering about how they're addressing push back though. They respond differently to pressure than I do though.
LMAO you're evil for this oneIn post 517, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I believe in my catIn post 506, catboi wrote: Dunn is obvious scum
on this - I don't think I really had a lot of substantial thoughts on Dunn's alignment, at least not worth sharing. I felt most of his reads seemed artificial and formulaic, outside of when he had the same take as I did on Ydra. That's what is kinda hanging me up as I don't see the scum motivation for that read if Ydra is town, and the fact that he had the same reasoning regarding her scum meta felt mindmeld-y. but the catboi read was concerningly easy and I was trying to suss out to what degree he actually believes in it. I also generally don't like that he seemed reluctant to put down a vote on CakezIn post 436, Lukewarm wrote: Your line of questioning with Dunn did not appear to lead to you voicing any thoughts on Dunn's alignment wrt his Catboi read, nor did you seem to argue that Catboi was scum. It was just "but scum catboi COULD do that too, so you should not town read him." And that being the where that conversation led, left me with that impression.
I also, just, in general do not trust that sort of argument as genuine, because it seems to set a precedent that in order to think someone is more likely to be town, you must believe that their actions could not be replicated. And that is a very silly bar to set for town reads.
tbh you can never put it past Luke to find some reason to scumread meIn post 452, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i thought about your reasoning for GL and i think its kind of weak sauce and its like you decided to vote him then figure out an excuse rather than the other way around.