Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

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Why do people put millers in setups

They are not fun

They are not an entertaining mechanic

Everyone claims as miller! I know I might actually just get day 1d for this and I still ended up claiming it because if I don't claim it there is a pretty large chance that will turn out to be a fun mechanic.

Why would you put a miller in a game? Why do I always roll fucking miller? I will never understand it

and i guess i still have a hard time with this
if ausuka is scum:

* either she decided to lolclaim miller (lol why?)
* or she was informed abt me -> why am i not dead then -> my reaction is pretty obviously telling if they were looking for something cop-like

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so like should i just think it's dats/ausuka? wouldn't they have more chilling/fun vibes as scum together? idk

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I mean yes

Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

well I don't think you'd fake claim miller after that previous experience we had :)

Maybe it could be ari/ausuka together?
I still don't understand why i'm alive in this case tho

But eh i can actually see ari/ausuka too

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Marci is pretty townie, Ausuka feels genuine but at the same time I feel like a reluctancty to townread her for some reason I'll look more at her ISO during the night.

Datisi is pretty townie overall. I think if Lich flips red then Datisi and Skitter are lock town for me.

If Lich flips green then I might actually sus Skitter a little?

I feel Ari is possibly a tiny bit pockety here:

What for???

I have a fear of dragons

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I feel safer already :)

I miss Datisi

Spoiler: for dats

I guess I just miss the days when you would say to me "hi ari this dragon is evil I'm sure of it let's go kill it"

But idk she sounds like a nice person so maybe she's just nice.

I feel like I need to get a better grip of Atsi, Infinity, and Ausuka so I will read through their posts during the night.

i still think this is a town reaction

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i dont really see why temporal lich would double down on his scumread of me when i can just vote him if hes mafia because it seems not conducive to his survival

intent

ari can you explain your progression here please?

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something strikes me as fake in that "accidental" hammer from dragon

if TL is green it's massively scummy, but if TL is red i'm not sure i've ever seen a bus done like that so maybe dragon is town then

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VOTE: dragoneater

need to think about skitter again as well idk

idk this still feels to me like scum going after the low hanging fruit

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um wouldn't that just out any other PR(s) we have

can you elaborate on this thought please?

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i am 99.99% sure scum has fruit fakeclaims and this is amtitown but i don't care enough to argue

also this

ig i don't see why it's anti-town or why it would out prs (what ari said)

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i.e. and only the vt's?

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dunno i kinda think dragon is town here still
think he's probably the obvious misflip and the fact that 3/3 of the rest want im mean that scum do too
regardless of his alignment

or like he's getting bussed which i suppose is possible but yeah

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i'm weirdly landing on ausuka/ari

or ari/dats

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i just skimmed ari's iso and got like nothing townie out of it

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yes

pedit wdym? i'm saying i think dragon is town

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well it's also how he's played throughout the game that makes me think he's town

on top of that, everyone wants to kill him

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but fair enuf

maybe i'm being obtuse but why is dragon scum here again?
like on play i'm having a hard time seeing it

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maybe it's ari/ausuka
and they weren't informed abt any sort of cop etc

but just did the miller thing b/c it would seem unlikely given past history

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nk's are still bizarre but like it explains a lot

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also reassessing in elo doesn't seem so ridiculous to me

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Ausuka who do you think the scum team is again?

I think it's pretty likely to be dragon and datisi

Tbh I've been disinvested in this game for a while and that's kind of my bad but when I reread the game I felt like

1. Dragon felt significantly more mafia aligned than dats or Ari. And I know that's definitely at least partially because dats and Ari are experienced players who would probably be able to set off flags for me specifically. But at a few points I just didn't feel Dragon was genuine and I wasn't a massive fan of elements either tbh. And I'm not sure what casing I could use to justify voting datisi or aristeia in this position. I guess I could if I really tried but it would feel forced.

2. When I was reading datisi and dragon eater felt more like a pair because the two slots had much more going on between them and I feel like scum are likely to go out of their way to interact with a partner. Ari's interactions with dragon just feel lame and surface level partnery and I don't think scum Ari makes it fe that way. I also just didn't really get the sense the scumteam is datisi and Ari here. I mean sorry if I'm wrong etc and I could be convinced otherwise but that's how I feel currently.

I probably do need to like read in depth his read flip on me and what alignment I think that comes frim

like idk i don't find this v convincing reallu

the first point is like: i think dats/ari are really good but i would be able to find them but i didn't so it's dragon and i don't like his posts and i just can't justify voting ari/dats

ok now that we've gotten to dragon scum despite the fact that it's predicated on me scumreading neither ari/dats
which of ari/dats is his partner

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I mean I guess the part where he thinks the dream post is towny is +town

Shrug i will reconsider dats and ari but I don't think anything I said is that dumb

i kinda more want you to reconsider / elaborate on dragon tbh

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Ok i think i misunderstood your point in your last post

You're saying: ari/dats aren't teamed, so it musf be dragon and one of them?

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I guess the one read I really believe in is that Ausuka is town because I don't think she would claim fake claim miller and I can totally see Cakez throwing in a tomato miller in this game

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Ari why did you put atsi on e1 yesterday?

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Right
Why did you think that

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Ok
Well atm my solve is you/ausuka
I'll sleep on it but i'm probably voting you tom

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Ok
What eo u think of my ausuka/ari solve

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Ahhhhhhh sorry >.>
This is not my game and yeah kinda low wim for mafia rn

My confidence is not super high

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Ok
What eo u think of my ausuka/ari solve

i'm mostly pretty confused about it. like i'm confused on how you came to that solve. now obviously you don't need to explain yourself to me as it's not a matter of whether your mindset is townie, but i'm not following why i should think it's correct

like, ok you're saying dragons is town, sure

and yes, ausuka and ari had the townread miller thing sure

like i'm ??? on how you went from townreading ausuka for miller to thinking she's in a solve, and since i feel like i'm missing something there i can't give my proper opinion

like if i missed a post of yours or something pls point me to it

The only thing i feel like i have to townread her for is
The fact that she claimed miller at the beginning of the game

And nothing else
So i questioned: what kf this premise is wrong
And somehow ari/ausuka makes sense to me here

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Idk i feel like all my reads this gamd have been wrong
So like sorry in advancd if i get this wrong

My confidence is p low

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I know!
Just want to get it right

Unfortunately i vaguely townread 1/4 of you
So uh
Not sure i'll get there

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I think i'm gonna hiatus again soon/after this

My wim is just generally super low

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<3

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VOTE: Datisi
E-1

This is still just .??...????
Coming from a partner?

Idk i don't see it

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But you want me to vote dragons first

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Also i am sick and having a hard time thinking abt this lol >.>

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I mean yes

Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

Ari why *didn't* you push ausuka for this?

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She claimed miller d1 and I pushed her because I thought it was unlikely she'd roll miller twice in a row - I don't think it was an enjoyable experience for her

Yes sorry >.>
Can you elaborate a bit more like - how long did you push her and why it wasnt enjoyable and what the ultimate outcome was?

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155 is a bit strange as a partner vote
Not like impossible but a bit strange

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tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls

like, to me sharing reads then makes most sense if you think you could possibly get nightkilled, which there was a 0 percent chance of happening to dragon eater. for me at least if i don't think i have things i want to share before i (potentially) die i would usually just wait until d2 so i could see an extra flip and read with that context?

the response from dragon eater being to make a reads list just felt like "oh fuck i was careless and accidentally fucked up all my town cred, i feel like i'm letting my partner down! i need to do towny things asap"

This push is kinda weird as a partner too

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Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao

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Did you think you were voting dragon this whole time? There never was a dragon vote

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And honestly what *are* the odds someone rolls miller 3x in a row

I don't really see any reason to townread ausuka

I don't think it's ausuka/dragon

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Wdym
She never voted day2, there's only an unvote in 750. I'm curious who she thought she was voting

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I think Ausuka's push on me in 473 is probably more likely a town push than a scum push

that being said, I still don't like Ausuka's opening but the emotion in that opening feels real

anyway I can't read ausuka's questioning as town or scum, but I see undertones of caught scum especially with trying to insist that I was crumbing traitor for some arcane reason

ok

VOTE: temporallich

Unless i'm missing something v obvious this is her last vote

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Oh yeah
I was iso-ing and not.reading in order
Regardless i'm curious if she thought she was voting dragons the whole time -

If they're partnered that's a weird progression, i think ausuka would be cleaner?

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I don't think when people bus their partners they do it cleanly and by the book every time because that seems incredibly predictable

I mean i try to be as clean as possible

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I kinda want to bop you ari but then i feel like i should apply that to all 3 of you

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VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

I'm somewhat concerned about watching you follow the hydra slot around because it feels like the easiest way for mafia!you to get a mislim early and probably how I would approach this micro in a town!shea/black world - just get on their good side and use them to run over townies.

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i am kind of worried about how confident datisi is about dragoneater being lying scum because i don't even see the incentive to lie about hammering temporal lich cuz he already claimed VT and was on 4 votes

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I kind of feel like scum Datisi doesn't have a reason to pivot to 1v 1ing skitter instead of just running over DragonEater here because like running over DragonEater feels like the easiest thing for scum Datisi to do?

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like to me it's never Datisi + Ausuka because of the way Datisi kept badgering me to justify the Ausuka townread for "miller" reasons is just bizarre to do if he's partnered with her?

so Dragons is always mafia with one of them, I prefer to yeet him, but like if you refuse to do it then I don't really have a choice in the matter?

Would you mind quoting where this was happening?

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Yeah probably doesnt feel partnered

Ugh i think i want to vote ausuka

I am not confident really tbh

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Ugh it probably isnt fair to leave this until morning

Ari stepping in to defend ausuka is certainly something

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Ok ari i think i'm landing back on you
Sorry if i'm wrong >.>

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I don't have any reason to townread you
I can at least squint and point to things for the other three

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And i don't find your solve compelling
I could be horribly wrong but i just don't see scum-dragons

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I mean this ia a fair point

I guess i don't realy see why that interaction makes them partnered

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Also i don't think elements (dragon) and dats are partnered

So i think i'm left with like you/dats ans you/ausuka

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I think i could vote ausuka here too honestly but part of me does want to believe the miller claim still

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well at least it will be over

final guess for me is dragons + ausuka

idc that datisi decided to not do anything today he's still town in my heart

I don't even know how you got here and why you're pulling dats from the pool

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Yeah this is fair

But my potential pool of teams is getting kinda smalll

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I should havs done tjis like three days ago irl sorry

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I mean this ia a fair point

I guess i don't realy see why that interaction makes them partnered

you're saying it makes them not partnered which is ??? because I don't see how thats not a good way to play that position.

it got them distance[you said they're not partnered] and they didn't need to lose anything.

if dragons goes over ausuka looks good for pushing them over and if dragons doesn't go over they look not partnered.

Fair enuf

I kinda think dragons is town regardless but if he isn't
You're right this isng clearing

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I think i'm like

Dragon
Dats
Ausuka
Ari

And want to vote one of the latter two

If it's dats he's having a Not Great scumgame for him which tbf happens

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I'm gonna be dead tonight, no?

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Man i wish marci had been alive lol

Idk why i'm here

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i'm so so so bad at reading you

Pedit you can't imagine how beyond frustrated i am, i had no reason to think either would die

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Like who kills marci last night lol

I was trying to target peoplewho were unlikely to die

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I can't acct for bizarro lol kills

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Ugh
I'm gonna do this and be wrong and regret it, won't i

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That would be to vote you
But then decide to vote ausuka instead

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Dats whats ur solve lol
I'm landing on u probably being town or having an awful scumgame

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Yeah

I think ari/ausuka make sense

It explains the miller thing which is super unlikely
Why ari didnt push her over it
I never tr either of them

And honestly like you're saying it explains why marci is dead
I'm assuming they thoyght i'd vote you
Dragons as limbait is interesting tho b/c i've been townreading him all game idj

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Dunno which i should vote
Probably like ari

But man will i feel silly if wrong lol

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Also like the level 0 play is to kill me
The level 1000 play is to keep me alive banking on me continuing to tr ausuka and kill my check

Also ari/ausuka were never really concerned abt me basically suggesting flipping thru marci/atsi (unless i'm misremembering)

Dats was very, very concerned and scumread me over it

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Idk the game feels like solved with ari/ausuka
It doesnt feel like i'm overlooking something

I can't really justify scumreading either independantly but it makes sense as a solve together

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Also like the level 0 play is to kill me
The level 1000 play is to keep me alive banking on me continuing to tr ausuka and kill my check

Also ari/ausuka were never really concerned abt me basically suggesting flipping thru marci/atsi (unless i'm misremembering)

Dats was very, very concerned and scumread me over it

Like ari were you ever concerned abt this?

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Ari what were you thinking yesterday when i was proposing that we needed to flip on marci/atsi

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about the other question - no i didn't because I thought there was one mafia in marci/atsi and i didnt want to elo with them if they were town because it would be p hard to figure it out

Why exactly 1

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Yeah i think you thought you were voting him

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Man i hope i'm not wrong here
Ari sorry if i get this wrong yet again lol

I think voting ari probably makes the most sense

I don't think ari was considering ausuka/dragon seriously as the team until late last night when i brought ausuka back as an option

Or it's just dragon and i'm being silly lol

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Wdym

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Ugh ugh ugh i hate having to decide lol

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Fair enuf

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Kk
I have work and gotta bounce and need to leave time for everyone else

I am like not super confident and my reads have been Not Great

I think ausuka actually being a miller is a little more likely than ari being town

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Ari like everything you've done is technically like correct and not scummy
But i can't say it's townie either

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K fair enuf, i should have

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VOTE: ausuka

Have a meeting at 10 and ig we shall see if the game is over or not

I don't really know how to solve this one, my reads have not been great all game and my confidence level is p low here

As always enjoy playing with all of you regardless

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Ah lol

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Idk
Ok i'll be bafk in like an hour

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VOTE: ausuka

Ugh more meetings
Apologies if this is wrong

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The quiet is disquieting

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UNVOTE:

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Yeah hi

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Ugh i should just do it and get it over with

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I don't think I would claim miller as scum just because I find the whole thing annoying but maybe if my partner brought it up there is a small chance I would have gone along with it? I doubt it though

That's easy to lie about if I was scum obviously but like whatever

I think specifically you would do it with ari

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Yeah idk i'm bad at rhe mechanics stuff
Pedit i'm not going to be 100% sure
I have to make the best choice i can

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I'm kinda on the fence but honestly probably prefer ari

I keep goijg back and forth idk

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This is a challenging elo
And the clock is ticking

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I guess it should be ari
I think ausuka is only scim with ari and i think ari can be scum with a lot of people

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Yeah I mean like if ari flips scum i'm saying p clearly i think you're the partner
But yeah it might be chaos

And if i'm wrong on ari than it doesnt really matter

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VOTE: ari
Hope this is right, sorry if wrong >.>
Should have investigated you at some point, i'll try to get it right one of these days

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Ahhhh makes me nervous lol

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Man
Really tough elo >.>

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Idk deadline is in like three hours anyways so i'm not sure it matters

Really wish i had more time last week

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I'm not getting to any greater stage of clarity at this point

Pedit >.>

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I think i'm hiatus-ing regardless
Life is busy and i don't have as much time these days

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Sigh
Ok sorry ari >.>

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So close yet so far

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My reads were really, really not good this game

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Uh you realize that looks like a scum hammer and you don't need to pretend anymore.

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Gg all
Sorry for the bad dragon tr >.>

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That was certainly an interesting scum ot to read thru