New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

[Matias]

Vote: redFF

First impressions. Let me read a bit deeply though. I hate when I notice the game starts on the 4th page.

[Matias]

Nope, reread and redFF is still terribly scummy

[Matias]

Pine is a bit dull, but he's town.

love you boo, but I still hate that policy lynch shit, especially on crypto.

[Matias]

I'm strung up on his meta; he's really stubborn as town and that's what I get from him

I should reread his scum games though to be sure. There was a NY that he was in a few months ago that I should check.

[Matias]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16798

Yeah, read this

Keep your eyes on the prize, I'm surprised you even thought about voting inte over red

Preview edit: Fucking ridiculous early D1 statements. The reasons write themselves

policy lynch that isn't really pushed, yeah okay. That's not stubbornness, that's panning to everyone

I'm not sure on red's scum game including taking D1 statements too seriously but calling noraaa's post is as serious as they come.

[Matias]

In fact, he even took the "important town role" thing to heart too, lol

[Matias]

Oh so that wasn't RNG

[Matias]

Page 4, no shame

[Matias]

I wrote it the post right after, chief

[Matias]

policy lynch that isn't really pushed, yeah okay. That's not stubbornness, that's panning to everyone

I'm not sure on red's scum game including taking D1 statements too seriously but calling noraaa's post is as serious as they come.

I knew I posted this somewhere and that I wasn't crazy and I told you it was the post after

well I was wrong, it was the

same fucking post

Unvote, Vote: Blonde Doctor

because you're reaching.

[Matias]

It's like you read my post and went "oh, he said that the reasons write themselves. Time to capitalize!" and just stopped reading the post

This is the worst blatant misrep I've seen in a long while

[Matias]

policy lynch that isn't really pushed, yeah okay. That's not stubbornness, that's panning to everyone

I'm not sure on red's scum game including taking D1 statements too seriously but calling noraaa's post is as serious as they come.

I knew I posted this somewhere and that I wasn't crazy and I told you it was the post after

well I was wrong, it was the

same fucking post

Unvote, Vote: Blonde Doctor

because you're reaching.

Your first comment was effectively "if you missed it, too bad so sad, you will never know!" I still do not understand what posts you are actually talking about, and would have graciously accepted being pointed in the right direction when I asked politely the first time. Furthermore, you claim it is OBVIOUS, but continue to not explain it. You throw out some whimsical comment about how he is "too serious" but have still failed to offer up an explanation of HOW after two requests now. The only response is pointing to a quote which does not adequately answer the questions I have asked, only to be followed up by a vote for...not understanding what was so obvious?

What did he call Noraaa's post?

What was scummy about it?

Why are you still insisting that we see the scummy part of it ourselves instead of offering your own interpretation?

I am sorry, but you seem more and more desperate as you post...

I'm not going to hold anyone's hand. My reasons were not too vague if one could just ISO red or even, you know, read the first few pages of the fucking game

Let me ask you something: Had I not posted that "the reasons write themselves", would you have even thought to vote me?

[Matias]

@Matias: What about redFF's posting style makes him scummy? He just seems to be dicking around, having a laugh, but not really taking it seriously yet. I get the same vibe from crypto's posts, and neither seem incredibly scummy.

I find it completely different. red took the first few posts of the game wayyyy more seriously than he should have.

[Matias]

Can someone explain to me why stupidity makes mb scum?

"Not paying attention" is a weak argument in this stage of this game and especially in this context, red. Everytime I look away you ping my scumdar.

Unvote, Vote: red

. Blonde Doctor is also scum.

This is extremely very likely a mountainous setup, by the way, seeing as how both of Ythan's nightless normals were mountainous, so lets just get that out of the way

[Matias]

I hate you.

unvote

Vote: BBmolla

I also don't know how I feel about this

why exactly are you crusading against BB again

[Matias]

Matias, what other specifics made redFF scummy?

Just what I said. He's taken early game seriously and he's trying to lynch mb for a mistake that a person of any alignment can make

red is smarter than this; this isn't stupidity on his part, he's obviously just trying to fit in

[Matias]

Matias, what other specifics made redFF scummy?

Just what I said. He's taken early game seriously and he's trying to lynch mb for a mistake that a person of any alignment can make

red is smarter than this; this isn't stupidity on his part, he's obviously just trying to fit in

how is he trying to fit in if hes making a purposely stupid post?

Rephrase that. I'm not saying red is making purposely stupid posts. I'm saying he's making posts trying to fit in and they come off as stupid. Because he isn't stupid, I feel like he's trying to fit in.

[Matias]

This is extremely very likely a mountainous setup, by the way, seeing as how both of Ythan's nightless normals were mountainous, so lets just get that out of the way

are you reading ive said that at least 4 times.

I meant that towards everyone as a whole, seeing as how mb missed it. And yes, town can just as likely miss it as scum is. You don't have a legitimate case against mb.

[Matias]

NS, that answer was clearly not good enough. Let me be clear that I DON'T like your vote on BB, so please explain it in summary.

[Matias]

No no no no no! I don't like this. Why would scum-redFF take the harder route and call out mb53 for not recognizing an obviously fake daykill (seriously, go back and look at it, it was dripping in falsehood) instead of just playing along? Your logic here isn't adding up. You're tunneling on redFF and have been since gamestart, pretty much.

wait what

you realize that mb gained a wagon because of that, right?

[Matias]

YOUR logic saying that he wasn't playing along because that's the harder route doesn't make sense when you look at the other votes MB got because he believed the fake daykill.

[Matias]

Seriously?
... I do not think red was scum. Meh.

And BB isn't scum either.

buddying or maybe even defending scum partner(s). +1 for me.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: mb53

gonna go ahead and

vote:mb

the fact that he didn't know the dayvig was a joke suggests he's not reading the thread/paying attention.

Yeah I can dig this.

UNVOTE: BK201
VOTE: mb53

Okay, I apologize. It wasn't a full fledged wagon (for some reason I thought crypto voted before him). Doesn't mean I like his vote.

[Matias]

Just to let you know, I'm basing this 100% off of my perceptions of him as a player. It's a stupid thing to vote mb for mistaking an obvious fake daykill. Anyone can do that. Literally any player of any alignment who takes their eyes off the thread for one second.

I don't believe red actually believes what he voted mb for at all. He's too smart for that.

[Matias]

I'd like to know where the proof that i'm too smart to do anything is.

There's no "proof". I just think you're a competent player. I've modded a game that you were in and you didn't play this way.

[Matias]

I'd like to know where the proof that i'm too smart to do anything is.

There's no "proof". I just think you're a competent player. I've modded a game that you were in and you didn't play this way.

in which I was not town.

You had a modified town wincondition..

Did you play that game as if you weren't town?

[Matias]

^ This is important

[Matias]

Tests all week, test tomorrow. I need time, sorry.

[Matias]

V/LA until saturday

[Matias]

I do not understand this at all. This sounds like you are trying to scare us out of lynching you.

unvote
(I do not remember if I did this already)

I actually think this is scummy and will vote for him as soon as I get my other rereads done.

I think there was something I noted about kcdspot as well, but I will have to go back and check.

oh

Unvote, Vote: Blonde Doctor

1. Why the hell is desperation posting, ala BB, indicative of scum and not of EITHER alignment?

2. How the hell do you know that you're going to vote for him after your rereads are done? Why even bother doing the rereads?

Forget redFF, this is yuck.

[Matias]

if redFF really played Red Dead Redemption as a scum role, I no longer have a case on him.

I'm re-reading BBmolla tonight.

[Matias]

11 posts in a row, damn.

[Matias]

And Another Thing...

Oh no you fucking didn't

[Matias]

My beautiful wallpost...just got deleted.

I...I'm going to bed now. Wallpost tomorrow.

It was going to be perfect...

These posts are 2 whole minutes apart. Way more than enough time to type "It was going to be perfect..."

Feels to me like scum trying to get off with not having posted any more content + lurking for a few minutes and then trying to appear sorrowful about a beautiful, perfect post that was lost to deletion.

Only ways a post can get deleted are:

1. select all + delete/backspace, which can be solved by a Ctrl Z or an Edit > Undo
2. browser crash, which can be solved by clicking "restore tabs" or "restore browser session" when your browser reopens
3. loss of internet connection, which can be solved by clicking "< back", selecting & copy/pasting your post after signing in again when the internet comes back on
4. aliens/tigers/etc

Loss of explanation about why the post was magically lost is also suspect.

I am going to bed now + 2 minutes pause + It was going to be perfect = scum

Vote: Psyche

This is a stupid reason to vote someone.

[Matias]

People are perfectly capable of typing "It was going to be perfect" within 2 minutes, and type up an ass-long post using whatever unspecified time before their first post.

I have no clue what logic you're following.

[Matias]

This ipad bullshit is ridiculous. I've gained absolutely no information from this back and forth. I'm going to re-assess my reads. I'm behind on doing my catchup on BB.

[Matias]

Sorry, more finals. Today's the last one -_-

[Matias]

Vote: Blonde Doctor

. Still think this guy is scummy as a baseline but still rereading.

I can see both sides of the issue on Mogri. One is that his vote is scummy because petapan replaced BB like a day ago. However, if he legit skimmed, I don't see how this is a scum-exclusive action.

[Matias]

Doing a Mogri/petapan ISO. That will be my next post.

[Matias]

Mogri, his vote isn't OMGUS. It's because you voted BBMolla, who isn't in this game anymore =|

[Matias]

Also, what are the odds that there is actually only one scum team and Ythan is trolling us?

I'd say extremely low based on just about everything I know about Mafia, this site, and Ythan.

lolol Ythan -would- do that, and he would laugh all the way to endgame over it, too. Which is not to say he DID do that, but that you don't know his ways as well as you might think you do. When I saw the blue team thing I literally immediately wondered how many factions, if any, there were.

So I guess our votes reset to zero at daylight? That hasn't happened in my other games. I like it, actually. Makes things clearer. I'm still down to vote Mogri today. NS can wait, I agree with teCh, we can see how he does but if his posting doesn't change then I want him dead.

Matias, I know you said you're catching up and that's the only reason I'm going to groan but not pick at your Blondie post. (S)he wants out of the game. And I still personally believe it's more newb than scum but we shall see when the replacement digs in.

I'm v/la this weekend.

Going camping. My vote for Mogri still stands, so.

vote Mogri

To be fair, I'm still trying to catch up, but perhaps you're right.

I want to see what his replacement has to say.

[Matias]

vote for one of the two bandwagons.

Why? Deadline's far off.

Deadline is not really an issue, considering the top vote will always get lynched. Why keep Mogri at L3 all the way until deadline and simply waste time? I guess there is some rationale behind waiting (someone might say something stupid and something else might develop) but it seems to me that most of the people that are doing minor scumhunting directed away from Mogri or NS are either
1. Scummy
2. Posting very little, not providing in-depth examples and clearly unable to provide support for a different lynch.

Who the hell says we need to not use the time we have?

I still have to look him up, I never got the time to, so I'd appreciate the time, even if it's a lot of nothingness. This is one of the reasons why I like this setup.

[Matias]

Unvote

to give Kairyuu time to catch up. Your predecessor is scummy but I want to hear what you have to say.

[Matias]

Vote: Hiraki

[Matias]

Does anyone have proof that NS acts this sarcastic as scum? I've heard reports that he acts the same as either scum or town, but I'd rather see meta examples.

[Matias]

I haven't been reading as closely lately. I'm detached from my games as of late.

[Matias]

I'm away on vacation. Posts later, sorry

[Matias]

Not sure if I am still allowed to be posting but hopefully the mod will understand, felt a need to explain myself, my dad died.

My condolences. =(

[Matias]

For the record, I believe Kairyuu has completely redeemed Blonde's spot.

I'm not sure if noraaa had meta on Blonde before she made that statement about Blonde just being noobish, I'm not sure if Blonde has been around for that long

[Matias]

I'm having a problem finding particularly scummy behavior. I'm seeing too many town tells in everyone.

Still on my vacation. I might just do a clean re-read.

[Matias]

I'm not keeping up with this game at all -_-

Why is Mogri terribly scummy again?

[Matias]

I'm keeping an eye on the thread, though I know I'm not posting much content. I don't have a lot of time on the laptop here, but I'm coming back tomorrow. If the deadline is past that, consider not lynching anyone else until me and whoever else who needs to get caught up can do so.

[Matias]

Nora: Im still on vacation. This game is nightless so I havent been following it very closely. Vacation ends tomorrow and my catchup will be then, but seriously, slow the fucking lynching down, everyone.

[Matias]

Okay I'm back and I'm going to catch up now.

[Matias]

Still reading up. Doing some bandwagon analysis, actually, but it's going kind of slowly.

[Matias]

Honestly, I've been trying to get caught up but I'm finding it impossible to. I hate reading 40+ pages. I know I've been posting nothing but I kind of let this go because there was no way I'd constantly be able to keep up with it the whole time I was at vacation and I didn't want to V/LA for an entire week.

I'd lynch me too, I've been so behind. I'm not sure why Psyche is defending me. Psyche, it's obvious that I haven't been around for Days 2-4, so why disagree with others?

Anyway, most of the wagons have the same people on them. I'm looking offwagon; I know this seems hypocritical (though not really, I just haven't been around that much), but to me, I'd look at people at this point who are avoiding major wagons.

BK has been off 3 of the 4 major lynching wagons. I feel like NS was a safe stance for him to take.

Vote: BK

at this point until I become more immersed into this game. This is a pretty weak vote at the moment; I can never fucking tell without nightkill analysis.

[Matias]

There was a part of the game where Matias was active and engaged on a consistent basis? Enlighten me.

Pine makes me feel like he's town with this, I guess I'll start right here

honestly, fuck my life, I'm never consistently on this website.

[Matias]

Vote: BK

That happened in the 2nd to last post, but it was buried, so you missed it, Ythan.

[Matias]

Someone compound the case on Psyche, please. I've kept an eye on him and I don't think he's scum.

[Matias]

I'm not rolling over, I just understand why the patience has worn thin.

Studying BK a little more intently in a few.

[Matias]

After re-reading BK, I'm sticking with my vote. Everything he posted stuck with a safe stance.

[Matias]

Can we get more votes on BK please, I dont like anyone else for a lynch right now.

[Matias]

BK201 has been prodded.

This post was made Fri May 25, 2012 12:15 am. BK's post search shows activity both immediately before and after this post was made, and also around noon forum time today he stopped in to post in 2 other games he's in, but not ours. This leads me to believe he's avoiding the thread, so I'm down with a BK vote. I also noticed Psyche has been consistently active on the site while shirking doing his reread for us, but it's mostly in mishmash games and random bs, not game activity, so it seems less scum-lurking and more Psyche being Psyche.

Matias, why just BK? There's got to be more than one scum left, so why only one scumspect?

Vote: BK

Only one scumspect because no one else reaches out as scum at the moment. I suck at scumhunting with no nightkills and I didnt really think about that when I signed up.

[Matias]

Dont replace me, Im at an event and this is a prod dodge sorry, I have no time to post all day

[Matias]

Er, do you have meta on BK being an outlier? (if you already posted it, point me to it, I'm still away from home)

[Matias]

I'm back.

crypto, why CF?

[Matias]

Cool reasoning bro

I did a search because I couldn't possibly fathom why you have a stick up your ass and found out that you asked me "what are you doing bro" to my suspicion on BK, so I don't know how to answer such a vague question

[Matias]

and again, why CF?

[Matias]

Cool reasoning bro

I did a search because I couldn't possibly fathom why you have a stick up your ass and found out that you asked me "what are you doing bro" to my suspicion on BK, so I don't know how to answer such a vague question

you went from lightly fosing him to cheering on his wagon with nothing in between and you've contributed nothing

So crypto, I'm really interested to know why you're so averse to pummeling the BK201 wagon into the ground.

Really, really interested.

i don't have a scum read on him

I know I haven't contributed much. I haven't contributed much because I've been away and I'm having a hard time reading everyone. I've said this.

[Matias]

My problem with you, crypto, is that your reasoning is entirely too vague to get across any points and you seem to take stances at random.

[Matias]

oh suddenly you have a problem with me. whoa.

I don't think you're scum, but you're certainly not hunting very well.

[Matias]

This psyche stubbornness just screams town. This is a dumb wagon,

[Matias]

I'm still here. And fine with my vote. Nora should put her's somewhere it matters.

This

[Matias]

Though not on Psyche. I honestly don't think the entire wagon is scummy but I do think it's completely misguided.

[Matias]

I still like BK, I'm not fazed by that pity post.

[Matias]

I dont know who's more scum. The people who stayed on Psyche or the people who went to BK at the last second

Someone help me out here

[Matias]

noraaa, do you have scum meta, and if so, please link it

[Matias]

it died in the crash, brother.

No archives or anything?

I wanted to figure out whether you do the whole wagon switching onto scum move as scum, it seems kind of blatant though, so probably not

[Matias]

That's kind of specific, I wasn't really talking about the hammer, more like all of the votes on the last page save Psyche

[Matias]

Also, I'm on the lookout for specific first Day 6 votes

There will be blood if they don't match what I'm expecting

[Matias]

I know in every nightless I've been in, there's been daychat. : /

How many nightless games have you been in?

[Matias]

Er....onsite games?

[Matias]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: d3f3nd3r

This is where I'm going, right now. No longer see pine as being quite as scummy as those other guys after doing some reading. but in all seriousness i'm pissed that people are ignoring how bad these votes are

I've never seen Pine that scummy.

You bring up good points against Defender though. Like really amazing points.

Vote: Defender

I disagree that Kairyuu failed to redeem the slot, by the way, but Defender has been terrible and flew under the radar and I think he's the best bet of the on-BK-wagon vs. Off-BK-wagon scum that I was looking for early today.

[Matias]

CF is still town to me, but that was a dumb fucking vote

Are you serious

whatever

vote: Defender

[Matias]

This is why you're probable scum with Defender, UN.

[Matias]

HAHAHAHA WE'RE BURNING THIS MOTHERFUCKER TO THE GROUND

VOTE: UBERNINJA

CF RIOT GOES AFTER THEN INTE

YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD THIS

I was going to happily join this wagon, and then Hiraki stole the fucking hammer from me, so, good on you all.

[Matias]

K lets do this

Vote: Hiraki

[Matias]

Vote: inte

. scummiest of the people so far.

[Matias]

Also, where the fuck is nora?

[Matias]

She's on V/LA, never mind, I forgot.

[Matias]

I agree that noraaa has a better chance of being on either team

I'm also not one to take any of the responsibility of the kickass train of scum lynches. I cannot fathom peta being anything but town at this point

[Matias]

Unvote
Vote: Matias

K, let's do this.

You've compromised against a noraaa lynch twice, now o_O

crypto hasn't presented a single point on me, for the record. I'm willing to lynch noraaa by overall scum team affiliation if you are.

[Matias]

That's the only reason why I'm hesitating on the noraa vote right now.

[Matias]

Still waiting.

[Matias]

Waiting on your finishing up, peta.

When does Nora's V/LA end?

[Matias]

I can see crypto, but what the hell? Peta?

[Matias]

Sure, well it doesn't matter anyway, seeing as how we have both red and blue cornered. Go ahead and hammer me. Final guesses are crypto and nora, so as long as those two go down, then fine.

[Matias]

Welp, they're not mine.

I mean, it doesn't matter. Just want to make sure you guys don't fuck up what should be an easy win.

[Matias]

Everyone else is a town read. It's as simple as that.

I have been really distracted with this game. I don't do well with nightless, check Ythan's last two nightless games.

[Matias]

noraa, I honestly didn't lie about being stuck with a ton of shit to do.

Anyone saying that peta didnt deserve this should shut up, that was kind of awesome

[Matias]

Also, peta had it right where basically not a single person on my team said a word about me, with the exception of Blonde Doctor, and that's because I bussed him like early Day 1.

I ISO'ed everyone and had a laugh

[Matias]

that was fucking retarded cf riot you're fucking retarded uninstall

oh

[Matias]

I actually hard bussed Blonde, Uber

By the way, all of the pointless arguing with the townies kind of brought you down

[Matias]

oh

[Matias]

good game peta

very very vaguely skimmed this when i was bored because of the setup/playerlist

Were you able to tell that I was scum right away?

I'd be disappointed if you didn't

[Matias]

You're my best friend when I'm town, and my worst enemy when I'm scum

[Matias]

I would just like to point out that I forgot who my scum partners were and legitimately thought Matias was scummy for telling someone to "see for themselves." It was not an opportunistic whatever he called it, by any means. I was quite surprised when I found out he was my partner and tried to turn around my accusations on me, when I was just being honest. Are you always that abrasive? Do you always think you can bus your partners and carry the game better than them?

Though I have to admit, his reactions to my accusations were worse than what I originally thought was scummy. Surprising that he made it that far after that.

Also, I do not understand how people can stand a game this long...

oh

seeing as how that was the only decent move made from our team all game, this kinda shows why we lost