Micro 71: Lucid Dreamers - Night 4

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Hi there peoples.

Sorry but I don't have a bow Mr. Mod.

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I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Scream's other head here. *waves*

I've read the other Lucid Dreamers game you linked and though people have already pointed this out, it seems like T-Bone foresaw whatever plans you are trying to use and has provided against any of them being used again here...which is a shame, because they

probably

almost certainly (?) would've worked.

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Complete secret. Sorry. We may reveal by PM...but that'd have to wait till after the game. You should be able to guess at least one of us.
I think it's already been said that the investigation circle (much as I'd love to use it) won't be usable this game.

We could do a variant involving private investigations but I'm not sure how that would help really...

What other plans do you have in mind?

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As would I, and (@qwints) I'm almost certain that encryption is not allowed site-wide.

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Other head again.

Basically the rules say "no plans". So there is no plausible plan, and trying to build one is either scummy or a waste of time.

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You think?

7 posts, one of which is /confirm, and the other one is a doublepost.

So... 5 posts?

If 56 Posts (- a couple Mod ones) is enough to get out of RVS, then 5 is enough for a Vote switch.

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VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

Just realized you were here. Come talk.

~both signed by M

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Didn't even notice he was being replaced qwints.
But he's here now, and until he produces content, vote stays.

~M

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Referring to me or SD?

~M

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Piggy things Mit is "no doubt" town yet leaves her vote on him. That's scummy.

^This.

Also Emp's reaction to the wagon makes me think he is town. I guess the other head will have something to say about this, but I'm going to sleep and don't want my vote on Siv, so screw it.

Vote: Piggy

P-Edit:

@ProHawk: maybe he is starting a new one? Even though I'm not sure if I agree with Siv on that matter.

~m - non-capital m

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Mit, you three are obvtown because it feels like this is just continuing the other game, your posts have the same feel to them and the same mind-set.

...if you all don't stop talking about the other game I'm going to get pissed off.

Normally, I don't care, and in the beginning it was relevant because of discussion about rulings and such, but now it's just stupid and it definitely doesn't help that some of us feel a little left out of your little powow.

AND

it's not helping me get any reads, other than Piggy. Signing off on the vote from my other head since she seems to be doing the most buddying with the others from the previous game and it's been irking me something fierce. Stop it.

~M

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some of us feel a little left out of your little powow

Can't this be said about any game you weren't a part of?

My only point was that the 3 of them (or 4, I don't care how many - including you, I might add) keep making it seem like

that

game is relevant to

this

game.

That

was

that

game,

this

is

this

game. Some of us weren't in

that

game so for us it isn't fucking relevant what happened in

that

game and it won't ever be IMO.

Stop thinking over

that

game - it distracts from

this

game.

Yes, they are the same setup. Yes, they contain some of the same players.

But whatever hidden benefit this conversation holds for you select few, it does nothing at all for the rest of us. Explain your reads when you say shit like "oh he's Town because he was Town in that game and he's acting the same in this game" or whatever, but discussion about events or strategies that happened and could only happen in a single game should hold no place in this one. That's my point. Now stop it.

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AdditionBWODP:

What Mitillos just said about Micro 56 is a perfect example of something that's actually relevant between the games. Looking at 2 games of the same size and setup and assuming the number of Scum based on the similarities between the two games isn't a Scumslip, it's good reasoning. I assumed there were 2 Scum as well, because that's usually the case in all Micros. Why try and paint that assumption as a Scumslip, Zoidberg?

~Both signed M

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I don't like that sort of unvote so you can vote shenanigans.

^ This.

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We're not voting SD anymore, gracious and powerful Mod.

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What the actual fuck?

- Neighbour circle is a bad idea. Turning this game into nightless is terrible. We have like 7 town unlimited JoaTs vs. 2 scum. Night actions are going to win us this game.

- Yes, there are 2 scum. No discussion on this.

- Siv taking his time to edit posts is null. Siv making time on following posts just to make people think "hey he does take some time to edit posts" and calling other people ninjas so everyone notices it is a scumtell.

- I didn't active lurk. And I doubt my other head did.

You had way more reasons to vote someone else. Voting a pseudo-lurker is not going to help town in this game. And I'm defenitively not voting Piggy based on activity.

unvote; Vote: Siveure

~m - a.k.a. Head #2

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I also find it stupid that Siv basically called us out for voting an active lurker (which we're not) then...voted somebody he'd called an active lurker.
Therein doing exactly what he just voted us for.

Vote co-signed.

~M a.k.a. Head #1

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I also find it stupid that Siv basically called us out for voting an active lurker (which we're not) then...voted somebody he'd called an active lurker.
Therein doing exactly what he just voted us for.

Vote co-signed.

~M a.k.a. Head #1

I did not. The call out was for voting an actual lurker (me), not an active lurker. All of your posts prior to that were setup speculation. You felt the need to vote someone for not contributing without having contributed an awful lot yourself.

Ummm, you really haven't been a fountain of conversation yourself there SD. Also, I would add that my point still stands. You don't vote someone for voting a lurker when you've just called them a lurker...that would mean that you yourself are guilty of what you're voting somebody for. Your logic is fundamentally flawed.

@ProHawk: Yeah, we're new to the whole Hydra thing. We'll be toning down the schizophrenia as we get more used to this. Apologies.

~M

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This setup is unbreakable by defenition. I thought we already knew that.

But maybe if we make a tracking circle instead of neighbourizing it'll be more obvious if scum doesn't follow the plan. But still, I don't see why wouldn't they just follow it. Unless we can make some kind of action that is triggered during the day or something. I saw that kind of stuff in the other game, but I'm not sure how can we successfuly use them without "kill only if Nightmare" kind of stuff. I'm just throwing ideas in the air, but I think we can do better than just throwing night actions away.

And Siv, you voted a lurker for voting a lurker. Yes you did. And the funny thing is that we aren't even lurking.

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@Mod: why are there two separate wagons on Siveure?

I think we should be discussing how the hell are we going to act tonight. Lets just show intent to hammer until we establish something please. Even though I think Siveure is scummier than Piggy.

I already made some suggestions but noone responded to them. We can always go and hammer Piggy and just do whatever pleases us tonight, but I think we should use this opportunity to coordenate.

Vote stays on Siveure, as far as I'm concerned.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

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Great. I know that we can't break the game through the night actions, but we could make it more town-friendly. If you don't think so, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I'm hopping at least we can have a second day of game.
If that's all, I think we can finally end this lousy day. There's 2 days to deadline, so if anyone is willing to lynch Siveure, please do so.

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^Head #2

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I don't expect town to do worthless actions. I expect scum to claim so.

Also this head is V/LA, so you better wait for the other one to say something. As far as I see it, Mist was hopping that targetting Siv with a post restriction would make it look like a town-tell. At least, I think it's very unlikely for Mist and Siv to be scumbuddies.

~m a.k.a Head #2

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We investigated Zoidberg and got innocent.
I'm surprised we had no Watcher/Trackers last Night and I would've hoped for more investigations to go of off...

Zoid's next.

~M a.k.a. Head #1

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Also, gonna slap up a V/LA tag because the Hydra is definitely LA with only one head...
I'll try and post as often as humanly possible.

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Siveure: no action

Empking: made himself untargeteable

qwints: made Mist reflective

Mist: post-restricted Siveure

Mitillos: investigated Siveure - got innocent

ProHawk: made himself a bomb

Scream: investigated Zoidberg - got innocent

Zoidberg: investigated Scream - got innocent

Funny thing that neither Mist nor ProHawk got targgeted. Not sure of the meaning of that.

So I guess the only really confirmed action is the post-restriction on Siveure, unless he is scum with Mist.

I think a Mist-qwints scumteam makes sense. They thought Mist would gain town-cred with the post-restriction, and qwints would gain town-cred for protecting a "obvtown" player.
I'm not sure if making someone reflective over just doc-protection is scummish or not. I think there is enough here to be discussed.

Going to bed, I'll leave you with the other head.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

P-Edit: Siv, can you make it clearer?

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3 would mean that most likely candidates are Empking and ProHawk since they self-targeted. It's a possibility that Empking claimed earlier to waylay any possible suspicion that could've come from being Watched or Tracked. Also, not sure why there's the stupid mistrust of cross-investigations. If we had at least taken a little time to plan out N1 this sortof shit could've been avoided, but NO that's just completely out of the question. If somebody wants to investigate us again tonight go ahead. You can even WIFOM it up between the both of us and not specify that you're the one who wants to do the investigating.

Mist needs to explain that stupid post restriction now.

Also not sure about qwints' reflection...could've been an attempt to catch a Vig bullet or something.

~M a.k.a. Head #1

P-Edit: She's not anymore.

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@Mod: Can mafia communicate all the time, or only during the time we are dreaming and not talking?

I asked this yesterday because I thought I was the only one who wasn't sure.
The "Day/Night" flavor (?) for the game was screwing with me.

T-Bone told me they can talk whenever...which seems odd.
Would that be something they'd have to use a Night Action for? That'd explain no NK. Discuss.

~M a.k.a. Head #1

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^ Who the F is that?

~M a.k.a. Head #1

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I ISO'd Siveure, but I didn't get it. I bet there is something he is forbidden to tell us. I just don't know what.

Who am I supposed to vote to clear the vote-kill thingy?

~m a.k.a. Head #2

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Unless she is scum with Siv, and actually did something else last night.

Also:

Ok, I admit my action was not well thought out, but when you throw a trigger-happy person into a Lucid Dreamers...

Be glad I didn't shoot anyone.

I was contemplating about giving myself a dayvig, but I didn't want to seem "anti-town" (

queue people saying, "Only scum think about how their actions will be viewed

")

And qwints, in this quote,

@qwints: But why would they try to kill Mist?

Fear that people would treat Mist as conf-town due to mod error.

If you protected me, because you feared scum would see me as conf-town, doesn't that mean you see me as conf-town. And If I am reading this correctly, then why are you voting me?

vote: qwints

I also don't like your reason for voting me, you voted me after the mod answered the question, if scum have day talk (or night?). Are you assuming that my "scum partner" would be coaching what to say. If you look at my posts, does it seem as if someone is coaching me what to say?

Bolded parts reek scum.

Just to make the vote-verifying thing (even though I'm not sure why we are doing this):

Vote: Zoidberg

~m a.k.a. Head #2

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That makes everyone with a vote today.

And now for the real vote.

unvote; Vote: Mist

@Mod: Votecount please

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This head is V/LA, but whatever.

I just noted that Siv's last "scum-claim" was 4 posts ago in his ISO. And he didn't get modkilled. So the scumteam is Siv-Mist. Good game everyone.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

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So I don't need to keep track of how many posts I've made since I last did it.

I admit I am scum.

Also, UNVOTE: qwints
VOTE: empking

@Hawk and Siv: Your biggest scumread seems to be Emp. Who would his most likely partner be?

Speaking for myself, I've hit the brick wall of no reads and no motivation. Um...

Also, I'd probably have just lurked megahard were I to I admit I am scum.

Emp, why am I the obvious scum? Based on night actions, unless I'm lying about siteflaking (which I'm not), I'm scum with mitillos if I'm scum, and mist did some weird stuff to me, or I'm scum with mist and lied about siteflaking

Also, why lie about a siteflake as scum?

(Massive WIFOM, but this WIFOM is a big and unnecessary risk for scum. Seriously).

Anyway. To get at least a little bit of a read.

VOTE: Zoidberg

Emp, why am I the obvious scum? Based on night actions, unless I'm lying about siteflaking (which I'm not), I'm scum with mitillos if I'm scum, and mist did some weird stuff to me, or I'm scum with mist and lied about siteflaking

Why does being scum with have to involve you lyinng about siteflaking?

If I did no night action due to siteflake, why did mitsy come up with innocent on me unless somebody else disrupted it / he was scum. And if scum planned on both just self-godfathering. Well yeah, I was here at the start of the night for that to sortof work, but I didn't plan on the siteflake.

PEdit: I make all my reads up as I go along anyway. And they're never coherent. Yeah, I'm never a help to town unless it's a breakable setup.

Er, yeah zoid. Is it scum-motivated either? It happens as town who isn't really taking things very seriously.

Anyway, I'm sortof reading somewhat scummy on zoid.

Do the math. I'm not wrong. Siveure's post-restriction is fake.

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Me and the other head kind of discussed it and decided to choose Zoid by rulling out everyone else. As for the night action we made, I just thought it was painfully obvious that it was what town should last night, but seems it was not quite that way.
And that is L-1.

@Mitillos: ?

~m a.k.a. Head #2

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I became bulletproof. Because I was kinda conf-town.

qwints-Mit is being fucking hillarious.

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Sorry, it doesn't really makes sense, I'm not conf-town at all. I forgot about godfatherizing and etc.

Is there any chance that only one of Mit and Emp is scum?

Vote: qwints

for vote-testing stuff

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One head here. I'm V/LA, so I don't have much, time, but I don't mind being vigged at if the Mod confirms that all night actions last until the start of the next Night (night being day in this game, you got it). It's just a waste, but whatever. And it doesn't confirm anyone I guess.

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Really? I'm not sure if I'm dead or not, but I had a plan to suggest.

I'll have to wait for T-Bone to confirm if I'm dead or not.