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Second post: This vote is not random
Third post: Says the vote is random even though it's not random, sets up future target (probably gonna tunnel him by the end of D1) and also attack on intelligence for good measure
What I meant to say is, bitch please. If you can't tell I was being sarcastic, then please replace out.-
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That being said, you called two people scum and voted for the lesser wagon. Are you now saying that Golden is not actually scum?
I wasn't saying either of them were scum because I was joking.
However, the fact that none of you can read sarcasm bodes poorly for this game, and speaks great volumes about your intelligence.-
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RVS is supposed to get us information, not to be a big joke that gets us no where.
RVS IS a big joke and the fact that you pretend like you're able to get information from it is stupid; anything gained from RVS is negligible at best. Don't be retarded.
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In post 17, evilpacman18 wrote:Also from a read of other games of yours, you're not nearly so hostile or pretentious of town. You sound like being in the informed minority is giving you a superiority complex.
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The vote is still a joke; are you seriously attacking me on this?
I don't have any suspicions on scum yet, so therefore, none because right now everyone attacking me is equally stupid and so right now I'm trying to find out which one of you legit thinks is stupid, and which one of you are faking it.
pedit: None of the votes count so far? /confused
Sorry, slow internet. I copy-pasted the first Vote Count but my internet died before I could fix it.Fixed now.-
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First, I want clarification on if the dayvig was fake. Assuming it's not
Vote:Josh
If you are town and rolled with a fake dayvig, I can only assume you were looking for certain reactions from people in general. You don't explain this at all, and in fact, you tell me to "shut up" when I'm freaking out, and then your next post after the mod posts is "thank you". My assumption is that then you are scum and that you were hoping for some sort of PR crumb.
@WTSnacks
You do realize that analyzing RVS is WHY most of my wagon is attacking me right? If you didn't read it, then why are you even-
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oops sorry, hit submit without finishing my post
(post 68 continued)
...why are you even commenting on my reaction to it? Why do I think it's town? He quickly finds the basic flaw against my case, so I love it obviously. Also, at the same time, he looks at the rest of the posts in a logical composed manner; he finds the same faults with pacman's vote on me as I did.
Revenus is doing zero scumhunting, which is pretty funny coming from someone who claims so vocally to be town. Assuming that dayvig was fake I'm comfortable with where our vote is.
You do realize I thought I got dayvigged right? I'm not running around shouting that I'm town before this bro.
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So Revenus, you're still voting your "random" vote. How come?
Again, thought I was dayvigged, why would I bother voting someone in that case? No one is going to look at the dead townie's opinion who was running around like a dead chicken with his head cut off.
And then you say I'm fine with where "we're" going today with the lynch. Null on that, but then that implies that you agree with the reasoning for my wagon. Then go fucking read Hume's post and you'll see why his "useless RVS discussion" is actually quite useful.
Finally: To Hiraki. I read through your wall and I'm gonna get to one thing; you posted 4 random quotes from two games in which I had like 700 combined. Furthermore, our NY game was over a year and a half ago...
There's literally a huge difference in playstyle here.
Rev isn't a huge dick and makes his point. In this game? It's like you're talking to a fucking wall. The wall won't talk back and if it does, you're insane because whatever the wall said was wrong.
Again, you posting 2 random quotes from this game means nothing, and I went back and looked and I had almost 0 pressure at that point.
Don't like that you're trying to justify the dayvig; just come out and say you think I'm useless and you won't look so disingenuous. However, the fact that you actually reacted to the dayvig in a 'townish' way "oh, Josh vigged a player I think is useless" is good; you're still an ass. We'll throw you in the null/town pile for now.
@thedirector
Your point is contingent on my 'rvs' vote being serious; it wasn't and it still isn't. I will give you a point in that I'm not the best dealing with pressure, but this is again depedent on the pressure. Look at it from my point of view; people are literally taking what I put down as a joke vote and voting me for it, all under the pretense of assuming that it wasn't a joke vote. Let me ask you this; if you KNOW that my first few posts are joking, does that change your case at all on me, or is it now because I reacted poorly to the 'pressure' on me?
Also for hume's point earlier on thedirector (and jason addressed this too); assuming we have 2 scum teams, if they're going to help town find the other scumteam, I really don't care at this point, and plus, thedirector's post was less 'throwing dirt' on potential scum, and more 'i'll think independently about it/i need some proof first', which is good IMO.
pedit: Did he say that? No? What was the reaction he was looking for? I'm assuming since he didn't post about any of that he was looking for a PR crumb.-
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Finally, Jason is townish for his most recent post. But @Jason; I did the same thing in our game (newbie 1302) in regards to claiming, and this specific example was me under far more pressure, so take that as you will.
And finally, since we're using quotes from old games against me
This is me under some pressure in NY 142 (you can take a look at any of the posts around this one, but here's an example from day 1)
Anyways, vote me. If you people can barely grasp the concept of scumhunting or improving town play on d1 to set up further days, then I feel sorry for players like Pine who clearly think they're good at this game. If Faraday is town (which he is), then town should follow him like the pied piper because he seems like the only one in this game who actually has a grip and is trying. And he's a replacement.
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the plot twist is that Pine is probably on Beck's level of ineptitude.
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Anyways, feel free to lynch me, your town will lose as soon as scum picks off the remaining players who have a brain.
Not using this to go "OH HEY I'M DEFTOWN", but if you're going to use random quotes from a game to attack me, and go 'he didn't do any of this' to refer to my behavior this game, then I'm sure as hell going to defend myself with quotes from the same game. Note: I didn't even really go looking for these, I scrolled down to the middle of my iso, and boom, so@to HirakiDon't be disingenuous.-
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Exactly, how does that confirm stuff about what you said?
Was I under attack by page 1 in either of those games? No? So what the fuck are you talking about.
pedit: So any reaction to me being dayvigged=scum. Oh.
And as far as
See, here, you're wrong. If you were indeed town, you would've (hopefully) provided reads and other thoughts. After a townflip, we'd know they were Town thoughts.
If you look at post 30/31, there were my reads up to the point where I got shot, unless you're asking me to give thoughts on the entire game; that's fucking contrived.
And finally your second point is gigantic heaping mountain of bullshit. You know how many people are going to pay attention to the dead townie's opinion from 3 pages into d1? 0. It's the same principle with lynched townies on d1; how often do people look at the opinions of d1 lynched townies to find scum? The whole reason they were mislynched is because town *didn't* think the dead townies were credible.
Right now, from what I see, you call me useless, blam blam, fake dayvig, then vote me, because in your words "I reacted". Durrrr-
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You are now expressing classic signs of taking cues from the field in an attempt to stay alive. Called out on being an asshole? Now you are being much more civil. Called out for still having a vote on someone you declared was RVS? You switch your vote to a "real read". You are being reactionary.
Flawed; if being an asshole is only going to get me lynched, that's bad play.
And as for the vote thing; that's silly, if you notice, my first post after the mod basically confirmed I wasn't dayvigged was to vote someone; this wasn't in response to WTSnack's post.
As for the RVS thing; Sarcasm/joking in this context is the same thing, because it was a sarcastic joke. Look at the post again please.
You mean he didn't say what he was looking for because he didn't know what he'd get?
This is like some revolutionary thinking I'm pumping out here.
So it's ok that no matter WHAT I said, he was gonna call it scummy? Ok then.-
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In post 94, Hiraki wrote:Because at least Jacob has given out some reads and is honest.
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The most scummy is of course Revenue and i have noticed that nearly all of his posts have been useless filler posts that have absolutely nothing to do with scumhunting at all. His cynical play style from page 1 also irks me for some reason.
Don't misrep me; everything after #68 is clear posting of reads, which is far more than what you've done so far.-
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Not that I'm particuarly opposed to a wagon on Hiraki right now, but seriously? Jason can vote Hiraki because unlike you, he gives us a logical progression building up to his vote on the dude, but all I've seen from you is one pretty neutral question towards him.
Reasons why, now.-
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Dear evilpacman
Why do you think Hume is town when he's posting stuff like this about you
I dislike this post because it isn't even true. Take a look at Newbie 1156 in ISO. This is exactly how Revenus plays as town. I don't like it. I think it's poor play for town. But that doesn't change the fact that's how Revenus plays as town.-
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Wait, you can't remember who you think the towniest person in the game is? What? This is the SECOND time you've done something like this.
In post 139, evilpacman18 wrote:Oh you're one of those 'votes create pressure' people. Ok nvm, not even gonna go there. I think you're town anyway. As long as your vote comes back to Revenus at some point.
Um, are you saying votes don't create pressure? What are you talking about?
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I'm saying it's more effective to scumhunt without throwing your vote around every time you have the slightest suspicion. Voting so often is antitown.
Looking at your content so far, the only person you've attacked so far is me, so don't lecture other people on scumhunting.-
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Also, gonna go back and address this
His "any reaction would make me scummy" point reads under this interpretation as annoyance that his gambit failed.
You do realize JL said this:
I was not looking for any specific reaction, I was just looking for any reaction. And I got one. And I'm voting you, because you're scum.
Additionally, your entire case is that I HAD to have been faking a reaction, which you base off an assumption that I've seen someone seriously fakeclaiming a dayvig, again, I haven't seen it in any of my finished games, so your case is built on a mountain of bull. You don't even address any other players in the game; your only content of note is 4 posts of fluff, and one post attacking me.
Your case is stupid, and in conjunction with
In post 94, Hiraki wrote:Because at least Jacob has given out some reads and is honest.
When your only content was post 56 and post 64 seriously makes me suspect both of you as a likely scumteam.
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In post 151, JacobSavage wrote:Also Revenus, just looked though some of your games. You've used the day-vig tactic before.
Yeah Revenus is pretty much scum.
Oh, then you should pretty easily be able to link me to these games.-
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I was looking through my old games.
In NY, I mention nothing about a dayvig in my iso, so I'm assuming no one seriously fakeclaimed as one.
IN Newbie 1156, I make one pretty obvious joke post referring to a dayvig
i'm actually a dayvig
pew pew
In newbie 1302, I don't mention a dayvig at all.
So, again, where in these games did you see me reacting to a serious dayvig claim?
Oh, so you're using an ongoing game that I can't discuss that I'm still alive in to condemn me as scum.
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I'm actually confused about the case against me from you.
Are you saying I'm faking that I thought it was a dayvig shot, or that I was faking a reaction to a shot I thought was real? I'm reading your post now on me, but it's unclear since the bulk of your case is that "REV HAS SEEN IT BEFORE OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE I HAVE" which you followup now with "LOL ITS IN AN ONGOING GAME SO IM NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT IT AND NEITHER CAN YOU".
Finally, JS; question for you; what do you think about Hiraki's
In post 94, Hiraki wrote:Because at least Jacob has given out some reads and is honest.
pedit: How the fuck am I supposed to defend myself from your case when I can't even explain the situation in the other game?-
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In post 160, JacobSavage wrote:Some people just can't help it. Also I know.like none of you so can you blame.me ...
Why do you only attack me then ignore my response and questions?-
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In post 184, the director wrote:
Revenus - Town is notorious for being limp-wristed when it comes time to hammer, so that is why I have to do it. You really think any of these ...men?... have the stones to hammer? Good god if people like me didn't exist scum would win by simply running out the deadline every game.
That's one of the stupider things I've heard. You're implying that no one else besides you is willing to hammer in this game. That's completely untrue.
If you think I'm scum, vote me, you STILL sitting on your RVS vote is terrible.-
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My wagon is so dumb.
evil:has only talked about me and in fact has been encouraging people not to pressure other people besides me
hiraki: said jacob had "good reads and was honest" when jacob had 2 posts of 0 content, and doesn't even know who he's calling town at this point.
jacob:his case on me is literally using a scenario from an active game.
WTSnacks seems content with my wagon even as he sits on his RVS vote; oh wait, that's because the only thing he's commented on is me.
If I end up being the wagon today, whatever, but WTS/Jacob/Evil need to actually talk about something else as well.
pedit: I agree with YOLO that there's a definately a chance of just one scumteam, but again it really doesn't matter now as we should just be trying to hit scum in general on d1, since we don't have any connections established between flipped scum yet.-
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In post 189, the director wrote:@yolo if town had the stones revenus would be dead right now.
@rev your wagon is ... not dumb ... as you so eloquently put it.
fine, lynch me then.
apparently i have 0 to contribute this game because i'm just so scum or terrible, so if i do survive today, i'm still A. getting mislynched later, or B. just flat out ignored and saved for end game mislynch.
jacob: answer my post addressed to you, if you can slime your way into using an active game against me, then the least you can do is tell me your reads on other players-
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@Hiraki. Little to no content helps me stay alive at night and people are harder to read day 1 because of the many arguments that people may have. This seriously effects my reads and day 2 will help me provide clearer reads which i will out tomorrow. Get me? or is this really confusing? because it seems to be really confusing when i type it.
That's seriously dumb and antitown.-
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Also from Navarre
The most scummy is of course Revenue and i have noticed that nearly all of his posts have been useless filler posts that haveabsolutely nothing to do with scumhunting at all.His cynical play style from page 1 also irks me for some reason.
Evilpacman, you comment on everyone's ability to scumhunt yetyou post no reads yourself and have not done any scumhunting yourselfand to me this makes you lean scum.
Vote:navarre
Strange that this line of logic is coming from someone who is actively refusing to provide reads because it's "better for him at night"-
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Mmm, let's iso WTSnacks real quick
post #4: RVS vote (null)
post #57: seems to implicitly agree with the crowd that I'm scum (null), and questions me for finding Hume's "novel" good. He calls Hume town (why? he didn't even read Hume's post), and seems to imply that I"m scummy because of this (scummy)
post #58: corrects a quote (null)
post #59: calls me out for not scumhunting, blah blah blah, which is ironic since he hasn't scumhunted at all so far. furthermore, he's still sitting on his RVS vote at this point even though he calls me scum (scummy)
post #66: asks me why I'm still voting my RVS vote (null)
post #84: asks the director why he bothered analyzing the game. feels like wanting to restrict conversation, especially since I really liked director's post #80, which WTS is referring to (scummy)
post #196: calls hiraki town, doesn't really explain why, tell us he doesn't really like one post (null)
post #197: again affirms that he thinks hiraki is town, calls out Xegarus for being scummy, but doesn't vote (null)
post #210: seizes upon Navarre's terrible antitown post (townish), and lays a decent case out.
Given that I don't trust either JacobSavage OR Hiraki at this point, and they are both heavily endorsing this wagon, I think AJ (one of my townreads right now) is probably right.
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Gonna iso another person I suspect; EvilPac
Post #11 Calls me scum, but lays out reasons he believes it to be true (townish)
Post #17 Misreps me by claiming to have read through my games and that my behavior is different (scummy)
Post #79 "oops i guess I was wrong" (null) Gives out town reads (null/town), Throws out some questions (null)
Post #102 Says he confuses jason/jacob (null)
Post #109 Asks Navarre to vote (townish)
Post #121 Asks Jason what he is doing, in response to Jason jumping off the wagon EPC wants (null)
Post #127 Explains his town read on Hume, even though Hume is calling him scum (null/town)
Post #133 Implies that he's the towniest member in the game (null)
Post #134 Discourages Jason from swapping his vote around (null/scum)
Post #136/139 Doesn't believe voting creates pressure (dumb) and is antitown (scummy). Wants Jason to come back onto the guy EPC wants lynched (null)
Post #219 Comments on the current opinion towards Hiraki, claiming that Hiraki isn't town, even though EPC in the same post admits he is not caught up. (Null)
Gonna throw EPC in the null category for now. If I had to call him town or scum, it'd probably be town for now.
pedit: I'm probably going to go through and do iso's for everyone because whenever I get attacked early in a game I tend to just OMGus like crazy and lose track of my actual reads; before I iso'd EPC I thought he was pretty scummy, now I'm not so sure.-
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As far as Hiraki goes; he is scummy right now, but he's given us a LOT of content; right now instead of sitting on his face with our butts trying to convince him he's scum, we should be pressuring some of the people who are flat out refusing to give content (like WTSnacks)
Vote:WTSnacks
My vote is sitting here while I examine the rest of the players and I encourage the rest of you to at least ask this dude to contribute more.
Ok, onto Xegarus
Post #6: RVS
Post #29: Asks me who I think is most likely to be "faking" that I'm scum on my wagon (null), Asks Navarre why he isn't commenting on anyone (null/town)
Post #49: Questions Lyman on his usage of language (null)
Post #51: Oh, his RVS vote was actually serious (null/scum)
Post #62: Argument over semantics (null)
Post #113: Vote on Hiraki out of nowhere (scummy)
Post #115: Asked for reasons on Hiraki vote, tells us he'll give them "later" (scummy, because he still hasn't given any; looks like he was hoping other people would construct an argument for him right now IMO)
Post #147: Talks about Navarre not commenting on a vote (even though he's done the same thing????) and that voting without a reason would tick someone off (even though he's doing the same thing????)
Ok nevermind, this dude is far scummier
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Yolo
Post #82: Intro post (null)
Post #118: Explains why he doesn't like the meta case against me (null/town), questions Hiraki on who he thinks is dishonest (null/town)
Post #128: Tells us he hates votes without reasoning (townish), questions jason meta (null/town, due to continuity of logic)
Post #159: Calls Jason out for "being inconsistent" (null), argues more with Jason (null), calls JSavage out for using past game meta (null/town for continuty of logic)
Post #187: Warns us not to jump to conclusions about setup (null/town). Lectures about scumhunting and reading the game more carefully (null/town) Warns the director about quickhammering (null/town)
Ok, this dude is probably town, but I'm taking away some points due to his only interacting with about 5 players in the game and also not voting. Would like to see more activity from this slot particuarly since I think he's been pretty lucid so far.-
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Can we not hammer with a week left and people like Navarre/WTSnacks running around giving 0 content? Thanks.
Also, thedirector, I thought you were the "only with with enough stones to hammer someone"
You think both me and hiraki are scum
yet you imply you wouldn't wait for my claim
and you're wiating for hiraki's.
why the difference?
and as far as my iso's go; Do you have a problem with the content or are you just calling me scum and ignoring my content...oh wait, rhetorical question
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