Mafia 56: Hardcore Street - Game over!

[olio]

/confirm

[olio]

*crickets*

[olio]

Nice generalizations there. Are you two (Twito, Shadowlurker) going to keep your minds closed for the rest of the game?

Simenon, any reason for your vote?

[olio]

Mariyta, who's Jathan?

Nice generalizations there. Are you two (Twito, Shadowlurker) going to keep your minds closed for the rest of the game?

Stop making up a defense for questions directed to your scumbuddy, Masterchief.

You didn't answer my question. You have also yet to post any questions to Masterchief, so why are you attacking me on behalf of Twito?

[olio]

If it's random vote, put random in it. Otherwise it's vote without any explanation, even though it's first day and first page.

[olio]

little early pressure never hurt nobody

Why the double negative?

[olio]

Oh yes, maximus, Masterchief, creampuffeater and ubertimmy have yet to post anything.

mod

, can you give them a friendly nudge?

[olio]

little early pressure never hurt nobody

Why the double negative?

You are attacking his knowledge of english?

Why do you assume such a thing? Furthermore, why are you helping Dranko?

[olio]

Yah, maybe it's time for you to cut down on those games.

[olio]

Yah, maybe it's time for you to cut down on those games.

Just signed up for 2 more

Sorry to burst your bubble but that won't make you a good player, that'll make you a nuisance to other players and mods. If you're busy in real life and in over 10 games, you haven't yet learned to manage your time.

AND THERE WAS NOTHING NEW IN THIS GAME WHY THE PROD!?

Prods are made when you're not participating enough.

[olio]

vote: ShadowLurker

ShadowLurker, answer my question. Why were you attacking me on behalf of Twito?

[olio]

I want an answer from him. If he feels it's worth of possible unvote to give that answer, that tells something. If he doesn't feel it's worth of it, that tells something too.

[olio]

I'm already a good player thank you very much.

Nah, not until you realize you have to cut down on games. Not until you stop keeping a list about "which of those games I'm signed in are interesting, which are not". Not until you don't need to ask questions which are answered by the rules.

In my opinion signing in too many games hurts the game of mafia. Good players don't want to hurt the game.

[olio]

vote: Twito

[olio]

raj, in many European countries the floors of a building are counted starting from the ground (or 0) and from there on with 1, 2 and so on. In some European countries the ground floor is the floor number 1.

So, certain things you start counting from 0.

[olio]

Bringing up the double negitive thing when it really wasnt needed.

Elaborate.

[olio]

By the way cheesefan, what's your stance on Twito?

[olio]

We're at -2 to lynch, without any discussion and with zero claim requests whasoever.

Why do you want a claim out of Twito so bad?

I swear....i can't believe you guys.....this is a no reveal game, so we need to get information out of people. And your attitude is certainly not condusive to that.

Do you think Twito's attitude was ok when he dropped the hammer?

[olio]

Because Lynching someone without a claim is STUPID??? WTF is with you?

Especially in a no-reveal game. we need all the info we can gather.

Mate, what's with the cursing? Now, we got a claim from Twito. Do you believe it?

Mariyta, do you believe Twito's claim?

I already said that his attitude was idiotic, but what you're doing is stupider. At least d1 was d1, but you're actions would deprive us of any info on day 2, because you're no better than him urging for the rushlynch.

Would you lynch Twito today? If you wouldn't, why?

Not to mention your stupid questions for SL about his random voting on day 1 which seemed to me as you looking for justifiacation for bandwagoning SL .

Which questions you thought were stupid and why?

[olio]

I'm not sure about twito's claim. I certainly wouldnt lynch him at this point.

Why not?

This was in response to SL's joke vote on MC for his actions in previous games.

I think my post pretty clearly says that I didn't think that vote being a joke one. Why do you presume it was a joke vote?

Stop making up a defense for questions directed to your scumbuddy, Masterchief.

You'll notice that this is in response to olio calling BOTH sl and twito closed minded. So where does SL EVER attack olio on defense of twito? Never.

Wrong. Twito presented a challenge(or questions like SL calls it) to MC. SL never presented a question to MC. SL attacks me in that quote about challenge (question in SL's terms) Twito has presented. You failed to tie those post together in context.

You accuse Sl of attacking on behalf of twito (clearly not true),

It's true. You just didn't get it.

Then when SL ignores your nonsensical question (about a random vote and his random attack on you that is unrelated to twito) you vote him asking it again.

So, please clarify this: Why do you think SL's vote was a joke/random one and mine wasn't?

[olio]

I think my post pretty clearly says that I didn't think that vote being a joke one. Why do you presume it was a joke vote?

Because it was his first freaking post. One assumes that that early in the game is the RANDOM VOTING stage, and as such all votes should be taken much more lighter.

One can assume whatever one wants. If you take such a vote lightly, it doesn't mean everyone else should take it lightly.

Notice your comment accuses them both "you two" of being closed minded. So when Sl responds, how is he responding for twito? I'm sorry but you're viewpoint is very incorrect here.

In my opinion SL never presented a question to Twito which he said I was making up a defense for. I viewed the situation as SL speaking on behalf of Twito.

If you really want me to believe that your vote on him was random you need to be shot. And SL's vote was clearly a random joke vote (with the choice of person just based on previous experience) as it was the FIRST vote of the game.

Where did you get the idea I want to you believe such a thing? I'm glad you're so adamant with your view about SL's random joke vote, but unfortunately you won't ever have 100% proof for it.

Our views differ, just accept that.

Sidenote; I don't wanna lynch twito as his action earlier in trying to get MC to show some activity seemed more of a concerned townie attitude than that of a scummie jerkwad and that his hammer, while idiotic, does not mean i think we shoudl go after him and finish him off on this day without considering alternatives.

Are you referring to Twito's random joke vote (according to your logic) he made against MC? Do you think concerned townie would've hammered like that?

Alternatives like you.

Unvote, Vote Olio (for emphasis)

Can you elaborate your reasoning behind that vote, please?

[olio]

I really don't think lynching Twito is going to do anything for us...

Why?

[olio]

I think we should all agree to take the first vote in the game lightly.

Sure, if you want to think inside the box.

In my opinion SL never presented a question to Twito which he said I was making up a defense for. I viewed the situation as SL speaking on behalf of Twito.

No see, He said you were defending your scumbuddy, masterchef (Now BM). Not twito. Nothing to do with twito.

You fail to see the word "questions" there. SL accused me of making up defenses about

questions

directed to MC. In my opinion SL never presented a question to MC. Twito did. Please show me a question SL made to MC.

So, please clarify this: Why do you think SL's vote was a joke/random one and mine wasn't?

THIS seems like you want your 5th vote on the eventual lynch to be considred a joke vote. Which is rediculous.

Your assumption is wrong. My point was simple: you think SL's first vote is a joke/random one, when there's nothing implicating such a thing in my opinion. When I put in my first vote, you are sure it's not a joke/random one. My point is: you think inside the box when you view first votes as joke/random ones.

As oppiosed to SL's which was clearly the 1st post in the game, and had no merit. There is NO situation where that vote had any meaning, regardless of Sl's alignment. If you are trying to justify the SL lynch via that reason, you sound like scum to me.

Don't put words in my mouth. I've never tried to justify SL's lynch.

Are you referring to Twito's random joke vote (according to your logic) he made against MC? Do you think concerned townie would've hammered like that?

"Concerned" townie no. But "Mafia scum" no as well. Probably more like "idiot townie"

In the long run you get better player if you always assume that everyone plays as good as they can. By the way, do you think Twito's first vote was a random and joke one?

A. Your insistance on assuming that SL's vote, the first of the game was nonrandom, had justification, and therefore led you to wagon him.
B. Your nonsensical questions about defending twito, when he attacked you for defending MC, and you attacked both of them in the first place.
C. Your attempt to quicklynch another player (Twito) and your lack of helpful posts. Half your posts are simply "Why?" or some varient of. Give us your own views, and they better be intellegent, unlike day 1.

A. Wrong. I vote SL because he didn't answer my question.
B. Wrong. You just don't get it, accept the fact. Show me a question SL presented to MC and which in your opinion he meant when he talked about "making up defense for questions directed to your scumbuddy".
C. Interesting. Do you remember this:

I swear....i can't believe you guys.....this is a no reveal game, so we need to get information out of people. And your attitude is certainly not condusive to that.

I've found questioning people is a good way to get information. Don't you agree with that?

[olio]

Because lynching Twito never gets us anywhere.

Nice generalization there. I guess Twito has already triumphed over you in every game you'll ever play with him.

[olio]

@olio: Yes you are absolutely right there is no way Twito would vote MC if Twito were to be town. Ummm..

Where do you see me saying such a thing?

[olio]

Only reason you've provided for voting me was the hammer. Oh my god terrible horrible. Give up scum I'm feeling like voting you.

That's a very good reason. It was a horrible play a townie would never do.

FOS: Irrumator
Jumps to BM wagon when I crush his "reasoning".

[olio]

YOU HAVENT RESPONDED TO MY REASONING.

I didn't just respond, I

CRUSHED

your "reasoning". CRUSHED, I tell you!

Seriously..... ummm, how bout responding to my last post? Thanks!

Your last post doesn't have any questions directed to me.

[olio]

This week will be very busy at work. Might be that I can't check the thread until Sunday.

[olio]

I think we should lynch a certain scum first.

vote: Twito

[olio]

Sigh...you guys are morons.

Nah, you just didn't realize I'm a cop.

N1: Simenon/Irrumator = pro-town.
N2: Twito = not pro-town.
N3: Zindaras = pro-town.
N4: Ancalagon = pro-town.

Scum is/are to be found among Canucklehead, cheesefan and milkman. We can't lose this.

vote: milkman

I think Canucklehead and milkman are scummier than cheesefan, and out of those two milkman has posted way less.

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Furthermore:

Simenon, any reason for your vote?

Why?

Why not? I prefer that people give reasons for their vote, especially if they are voting me.

Day Two, you are very aggressive regarding irrumator, who you have already found as town, even FoSing him in 223. Why?

I want those answers before I make up my mind whether or not I believe this claim

In my opinion his reasoning was faulty and I pointed out those flaws, and being in the spotlight would also make it more likely that I won't get night-killed. Scum knew there were two townies on each others throats - why disrupt good drama by night killing one of them?

Reasons for investigations.
N1: Simenon/Irrumator, random
N2: Twito, thought he was scum because of his hammering
N3: Zindaras, thought he was scum because of his vote on me and suggestion of lynching me
N4: Ancalagon, thought he was scum because of his last post yesterday

[olio]

milkman, what in my behaviour doesn't make much sense?

Also, why do you assume there are still 3 scum left?

[olio]

By saying that you pretty much outted yourself there Canuckle. I guess you thought that I'll be investigating you next because your name was spouted out by your scum-buddy. You also pave way for Zindaras to be found out scum tomorrow in the unfortunate case townies actually believe your lies.

Canuckle, why do you think "naturally" that I'm a lier?

mod

, I'm at two votes right now if I'm not mistaken.

noted. I really should learn how to add...

[olio]

Canuckle, read what Zindiaras said and weep. Before you accused me of being liar, I hadn't said anything about if I think you're scum or not.

Let's end this. I have serious real-life issues which will see me leaving the site for a while, but I'd rather see this game through seeing that we now have 3 scums pegged and are so close.

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*Zindaras, sorry.

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Ancalagon, reasons for your vote on me or unvote. Now.

Did you really read the whole thing in 10 minutes? Well, it was too fast for you as you managed to miss irrumirator's towniness. You failed to notice Canuckle's slip up. You're townie playing lousy. Accept the fact that you're wrong and start thinking, and - most importantly - provide reasoning behind your thinking. You're not saving this game, you're dooming it.

Milkman has lurked the whole game without providing any help to the town. Do you really think cop would've acted like that? He never expressed his opinion about Twito, didn't try to get reactions from other people based on the results he knew, avoiding the spotlight all the time - he is clearly lurking scum.

Even to this date he hasn't used his results for town to gain any new insights on persons he doesn't have result on. Why? Because he knows everyone's alignment and couldn't think out of his scum-box to give town more info.

My results after discussion:
06. Canucklehead17 = scum; slip up
07. olio = cop
08. irrumator = pro-town
10. cheesefan = ?, probably pro-town
11. milkman = scum, false claim
13. Ancalagon = pro-town
14. Zindaras = pro-town

Milkman's results after discussion:
06. Canucklehead17 = pro-town
07. olio = scum, false claim
08. irrumator = pro-town
10. cheesefan = ?
11. milkman = cop
13. Ancalagon = ?
14. Zindaras = ?

Now, Ancalagon, answer me this:
Which of the above lists benefits scum more?

[olio]

Milkman, who do you think are scum at the moment?

[olio]

Why didn't you list who you have protected so far?

[olio]

Your slip was following:
You said that I'm lying about you being scum when I hadn't yet said that I think you're scum. I said that between Milkman, Cheesefan and you, Milkman and you are scummier.

I think you're gambitting with the doctor claim as you see your situation desperate. Your reasoning for me coming out is crap. You have also failed yet to address why do you think Milkman is a cop instead of me? You just jumped in with the "Olio is liar because he says I'm scum" when I hadn't said that.

Furthermore, what is your reasoning that Ancalagon is town? Same question to milkman.

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Milkman, Canuckle; you have yet to answer why you think N9V is townie.

Canuckle, why do you believe Milkman's claim over mine? Because he has you pegged townie and I don't? Also, which one you think is more probable:
Scum coming out as a cop in the beginning of the day when there are no votes
or
Scum counter-claiming cop once cop has voted that scum

[olio]

Milkman, Canuckle; you have yet to answer why you think N9V is townie.

!

You have still yet to answer the question. Why?

The appeal to probability is a logical fallacy, often used in conjunction with other fallacies. It assumes that because something could happen, it is inevitable that it will happen. This is flawed logic, regardless of the likelihood of the event in question.

The fallacy is often used to exploit paranoia.

I Think I caught you.

Sorry, I fail to see where I presented either of those options as inevitable. And next thing you reveal as something you´ve caught as logical fallacy must be Zindaras saying that there are 3 scum in this game, right?

[olio]

N9V, please think a bit before speaking and put some effort in your analysis. If you can't do that, please don't replace.

[olio]

Because I think we're all in agreement that whoever is not the cop, IS scum, and scum cannot kill themselves.

Right. How do you know scum can't kill themselves? I think you've asked it from mod, you've got

positive

answer to your question and your real course of actions is to nightkill your scumbuddy milkman and claim that you protected me. Once my night result gives guilty on you, you'll make your last desperate stand to save your scummy-skin.

Well, I think my assumption is easily tested in this case.

mod

, can scum nightkill themselves?

By the way Canuckle, I guess you didn't read N9V's post. He thinks both milkman and I are scum.

[olio]

Talk about assumptions.

Assumption which can be easily tested with my simple question. Why are you afraid of it?

By the way, why do you think mod would answer a question about inquiries? Don't you think it's pretty much same if I'd ask if the doctor made choice last night?


Ancalagon, you're not making sense. What do you mean with people that are already alive? How does "people being already alive" don't make my choices reasonable? Also, maybe you're getting more vibes from me because I've actually posted more than milkman.

Now, pay attention:
Milkman hasn't yet answered my question why he thinks you're town. Both Canuckle and milkman have treated you like townie since I revealed my result. If milkman really is cop, he is basing that assumption in my result and at the same time he says I'm lying. Please think.

[olio]

Hmm, my question was actually about N9V. Very well:
milkman, why do you think N9V and Ancalagon are townies?

[olio]

By the way, I'm 100% sure that Canuckle will forfeit his plan about lynching Zindaras and adds into my wagon.

[olio]

Sorry guys, I'm too much of a mental wreck at the moment and can't find a place in my mind for this game.

mod

, I need a replacement.

Thanks for the game everyone!