NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

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i think i'll read this thread later. why is zone the leading wagon?

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vote: bacde

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i actually don't have to read anything leading up to now to know that my vote is in the right place

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but it is really funny how zone says he's pairing smash and bacde and the next thing to happen is smash coming in for a bitchfest about people not trying hard enough slash obv chainsaw defense

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bacde's only form of self-defense appears to be belittling people

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To anyone too fucking lazy to read a mere 10 pages of the game in order to properly participate:

Replace the fuck out so that somebody who actually will bother to read can participate. I don't have enough votes to go around to lynch all of you for being fucking useless. Thank you for your time.

but y u mad tho?

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unvote, vote: zepher[/b[

more proof that scum can be caught even without reading the first ten pages

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i never reaction fish, you're just being patently transparent

unvote, vote: zepher

, but for real this time

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more zepher votes needed

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will totally sheep roflcopter onto zepher at deadline, though

+1

sheeping roflcopter is a known towntell

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no wonder no one wants to catch up in this game

lets just lynch zepher and hope some of the more annoying people get killed overnight

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no wonder no one wants to catch up in this game

lets just lynch zepher and

hope some of the more annoying people get killed overnight

who do you think should get killed tonight?
Just out of... morbid curiosity.

^ an obvious attempt at a diversion. more votes here please.

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a question predicated on being out of "morbid curiosity." your goal is to cause a flame war (for example, this most recent post where you bait me by calling my reads and posts "shitty") or something of the like to fill the thread with more garbage that distracts from you getting lynched.

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ftr no i will not be reading most of day one and no that doesn't mean i am not scumhunting. everyone who keeps filling half their posts with whiny shit about the people not reading can start helping solve the problem by shutting up unless they have something actually important to say.

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you guys, greygnarl is the wrong answer, we should clearly be lynching zepher

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at least one scum has their vote parked on someone with no other votes. all townies parking their votes thusly should stop wasting their time, make one last pitch to get others to your cause or join mine, the most righteous cause.

vote zepher 2013

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at least one scum has their vote parked on someone with no other votes. all townies parking their votes thusly should stop wasting their time, make one last pitch to get others to your cause or join mine, the most righteous cause.

vote zepher 2013

while I'm guilty of this.

It's hard when NS is blatant scum.

Also I've barely read up on the last 10 pages

convince me right the fuck now or change your vote

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fine then

unvote, vote: greygnarl

this is stupid though

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zepher and smash are actually the best vig targets. if zepher flips scum human destroyer dies next.

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vote: zepher

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glad to know i still inspire fear

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dram is not scum, now stop voting for him

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^ +1, is town

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holy crap more zepher votes needed

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Rofl is probably scum with JS.

what an incredible deep insight, calling the first two people voting you today scum

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zepher, why did you bring up the idea of a serial killer in post 658?

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i could be swayed to an actiondan wagon

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If it comes to considering an ActionDan lynch, I would rather lynch Nobody Special and then lynch ActionDan if he's wrong about NS so that there is actually a reason to lynch Dan beyond "He's tunneling a player".

now i would like to lynch you

unvote, vote: smashbard

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^for that lazy, lazy misrep of the case previously laid out on action dan, and for lining up mislynches

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ftr i still advocate zepher death, this is one of those cases where i'm really wishing we could lynch two people

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ns vote smashbard with me

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^for that lazy, lazy misrep of the case previously laid out on action dan, and for lining up mislynches

The only way I could be lining up mislynches is if I was aware of how people would flip. You seem pretty jumpy at the idea of me wanting to lynch Nobody Special and then Action Dan if NS flips wrong.

Do you know that either of those guys would flip town? Because that's the only way you could know that either lynch would be a mislynch.

hint: you're aware of how they will flip if you are scum

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unvote, vote: zepher

i'm willing to listen to konowa on smashbard just being really out of touch town.... but seriously, lrn 2 mafia bro

dram is town because of the way the wagon(s) on him happened

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but i'm still so torn, because honestly if smashbard is town right now that should be like a layup mislynch for scum

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I think its likely that JS is derptown and Zepher is targetting the easy ML

quoted for truthiness

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i still want to lynch zepher and somebody should vig actiondan

that is all

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more zepher votes, when zepher flips scum we lynch peregrine next

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more zepher votes, when zepher flips scum we lynch peregrine next

Hmmmmm.

Why?

driving the most viable zepher counterwagon

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i say most viable because lets be real here, zone isn't getting lynched

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zomg thanks for saving me konowa
(i'll read the dead thread soon enough to find out if you really did)

vote: human destroyer

@peta, at the end of day one, why did you not sheep me onto zepher, as promised?

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more hd votes

peta is town (read reaffirmed)

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the scum are afraid of me. zephyr said so.

now vote for human destroyer

looking at you here bacde

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i still want peregrine dead too

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smash, you left out option three, which is that scum targeted me and konowa saved me because he's my bro

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^^I mean that's a good point

so vote for him, before i put you on the death list again

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Roflcopter, ok, if you truly believe scum tried to kill you, tell me who you think would have enough of a vendetta against you that they would want you dead?

they would want me dead because i had zepher nailed dead to rights from very early on, focused intensely on my mission of getting him lynched, and am probably on the right track naming and lynching his partners. not to mention how exceedingly obvtown i am.

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bacde, your current vote is an admitted sheep. why are you unwilling to change it in the face of what you are now calling a good point against hd?

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confrontation is the best way to draw alignment diagnostic behavior

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so that you would think exactly that

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need a votecount to see how many more people need to be browbeaten into voting for hd

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and prods on much of the cast

(theater reference!)

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This is humorous

scum response to getting wagoned

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

No. If he had strong scumreads and strong townreads then they can be useful. He probably protected his strong townread (you know, in case he died and we looked at his ISO), or scum targeted him for his scumread (unless scum just naturally hates him).

The problem is that it's impossible to tell which it actually is

Therefore it's difficult to actually ascertain anything through his reads

i'm taking this to mean scum don't want us to look at konowa's reads, which means we really should be looking at konowa's reads

*looks*

hey, what do you know! kon thought hd was scum.

enough of this "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" crap. more hd votes.

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because he is caught scum trying to give up as little additional info as possible

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jesus fucking christ you guys are idiots

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actiondan is still scum

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well you've given me the first real reason to doubt my conclusion by setting up that awful chain lynch

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unvote, vote: actiondan

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lol fish moar harder

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what is this, a softclaim for ants?

it needs to be at least 3x this obvious

hilarious, would read again

actiondan and hd, these are the only two people i'm willing to put my vote on.

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but somebody really should shoot oversoul for this outsized reaction to the idea of being investigated

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unvote, vote: human destroyer

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failsauce, but really obvtown failsauce

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i was gonna say that i wish ns hadn't even claimed, but then he wouldn't know he was a power role so... i guess it works out?

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vote: zoneace

the remaining scum are zone and actiondan. we're lynching zone today because i have more faith that this town will be able to pull of an actiondan lynch without me around to drive it after my inevitable death.

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no you know what lets just lynch actiondan

unvote, vote: actiondan

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shoot actiondan

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vote: actiondan

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are you actually serious with this nonsense?

more actiondan votes

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are you actually serious with this nonsense?

more actiondan votes

What if our nonsense is serious though

your nonsense is just plain stupidity. actiondan's nonsense is because he is scum and needs someone to buy his "hd was power bussed" bullshit to have a chance.

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where is everybody? more dan votes still needed.

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dan's partner is probably lurking hoping this will blow over. i still think it's zone, but if not it's peregrine.

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I'm lurking because I forgot about this...

i'll forgive you if you vote for dan

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you're still not doing anything except magically appearing when you get called out, how very town of you [/sarcasm]

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zone why aren't you voting?

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more specific question then - what's your take on dan?

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blathering about me possibly being a cop is insanely obvious rolefishing

as i pointed out the previous day when he first brought it up

more dan votes

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he self l-1'd. now you can hammer.

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eh he was pretty obviously nailed

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still say its zone, and if not zone peregrine

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i get it now, "a week at the theaters" refers to how long each night phase will last.

*womp womp*

anyway

vote: zoneace

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i just want to smash my head against something because you're being so stupid

in what world does hd even get lynched without me pushing it and pushing it and pushing it and pushing it?

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not to mention how hard i went after zepher while you idiots insisted on a dramonic lynch day one

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not dramonic greygnarl but you get the idea

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if you're really going to throw this game away lynching me and peta please just lynch me first so that i don't have to sit around for another week long night phase waiting for no one to use their brains

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and if neither smash nor replacementkingdomaces fucking catches a bullet tonight then lynch them

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but i have a better idea how about you

read zoneace's fucking posts

and see how he

never votes for either scum except when forced to for his own survival

and spends the entirety of yesterday doing nothing but repeating over and over again that he's town

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that order works for me

vanilla

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yes. obviously. you're so good at this game. how did i not see it before.

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well i'm standing by peregrine as the second scum.

vote: peta

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from there you lynch rofl then make a sad face when he flips town after being right about everything you were wrong about all game, then the next day you lynxh peregrine and win (or jacob the day after that if necessary)

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see peregrine flail

flail peregrine flail!

(in the style of dick and jane)

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antiprod

i'll be here sometime today

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isn't that the opposite of what asking for a jailkeep on you does?

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vote: jacobsavage

oversoul is town. its jacob or peregrine. this sudden song and dance about 1292 reeks of bullshit. he's trying to retcon away the foundations he was laying for a fakeclaim.

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peregrine stop flooding the thread with huge blocks of colored text

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if you're going to put giant quote blocks at least explain what conclusions you are drawing from them

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no they're just obnoxious and i don't want to waste my time reading what he thinks is so important if he's not going to explain why its so important

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i don't think there are two scum, but from my recent posts it should be obvious i think oversoul is town.

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jacob was also a non-presence the whole game until he was suddenly being super helpful "organizing" the massclaim and volunteering to claim first

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i'm guessing he tends to contribute more at endgame when he's the last scum alive, and his "contribution" has been 1) doing clerical work that literally anyone can do regardless of alignment and 2) volunteering to claim first

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^ does not refute any of this:

and his "contribution" has been 1) doing clerical work that literally anyone can do regardless of alignment and 2) volunteering to claim first

nice strawman bro

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i'm complaining about you giving the appearance of trying to catch the last scum while actually just posting blocks of quotes, color coding them and encouraging others to draw their own conclusions. i believe in the common parlance that is called

information instead of analysis

.

i can tell you why i'm town - without me the zepher and hd lynches simply don't happen. yes i got snowed by peta buddying me, but take a look at his posts and you'll see a game-long campaign to buddy me, which scum simply don't need to do to their own partners.

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yes, we all know what bussing is, congrats. to clear this up for you, peta bussed hd because i was driving the wagon (that post is also a strong example of peta buddying me, a point which you completely 100% just ignored so you could link to what bussing is, nice strawman)

unvote, vote: peregrine

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why go/oversoul is town:

go vs human destroyer is a boring big-dick ego fight but HD looks much better off it than go

i'm still suspicious of jacob but you're doing a great job of convincing me he's town by poe since you're essentially jumping up and down in my face yelling "i'm scum lynch me!"

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And if I only gave information, what analysis can YOU draw from the information?

the fucking point is that i'm not going to waste my time analyzing your pretty colors, you're the one who is supposed to analyze that shit if you're going to go out of your way to do it. otherwise it is still worthless fluff cluttering up this thread.

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what this thread really needs is more direction from the conftowns

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you're right i didn't read it. i'm pretty sure no one else did either. so we all just had to scroll past it looking to see if you said anything about it, which you didn't. ie clutter and a waste of our precious time.

and how exactly is it helping catch scum if neither you nor anyone else has actually tried to draw any conclusions from it?

and you yet again do not have anything to say about peta buddying me like it was his job.

So peta was bussing but you weren't? Why should I believe that?

because i was his pet townie durrrr

@everyone other than pere, i just did a little iso rereading of the scums. there is exactly one pere interaction:

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

No. If he had strong scumreads and strong townreads then they can be useful. He probably protected his strong townread (you know, in case he died and we looked at his ISO), or scum targeted him for his scumread (unless scum just naturally hates him).

The problem is that it's impossible to tell which it actually is

Therefore it's difficult to actually ascertain anything through his reads

in which they lightly spar about how to read oversoul.

meanwhile zepher built himself up to trying to get jacob lynched over the course of several posts calling him out for lurking. so yeah, i'm gonna go with jacob town and say this one is a lock.

more peregrine votes please.

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also, konowa the bodyguard died the night after the zepher lynch. he ended his time in this game calling me town, and i ended that day calling hd and pere zepher's buddies. lets put the puzzle pieces together here folks.

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well, you heard him guys, its up to you guys to decide if i've looked at everyone left. i've explained why i've got oversoul and now jacob as town. are you satisfied? can we lynch the scum yet?

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look guys its not two scum left. the only practical way this game could have started with five scum is if there were a traitor, and even then 5/18 is absurdly scum sided.

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and yes i realize that i'm playing right into smash's paranoid fascination with me. when i'm not phone posting i'll back up my assertion with references.

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recently completed new york games:

/in-vitational 12

16 players. 4 mafia (1 traitor)

ny 161

21 players, 5 mafia (1 traitor)

ny 160b

15 players, 3 mafia

ny 160

15 players, 3 mafia, 1 serial killer

ny 159

17 players, 4 mafia

ny 155

19 players, 5 mafia (1 traitor), 1 serial killer

from this i conclude our 18 player game contains 4 full scum, no traitor. stop overthinking it and trying to find a scumpair. there isn't one. if there is a fifth scum it almost has to be a traitor. there are endgame remarks by someone in ny 155 about the power of a 5 man scumteam and that game had one more player than this, and a serial killer to boot.

there is one scum left in this game. it's peregrine.

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smashbard: go to page 38. read the stretch where peregrine votes for jacob. it was an attempted counterwagon to scum zepher. which i pointed out at the time. and its been since about that time that i've had peregrine on my scumdar, consistently.

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Its an ongoing game I guess

tbh I could buy it being jacob

do you think zepher was distancing? he really tried to make a jacob wagon happen. that's what keeps me coming back to pere instead of jacob.

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I don't follow?

there is guaranteed a town voting for town on the VC

I don't know who it is though

it's oversoul's jacob vote, and smash's oversoul vote

puzzle solved

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i too think its jacob, and good god you paranoid people it is not two scum left. but out of an

abundance

of caution for your sake(s?) i will not vote yet.

i don't know if everyone has already said it but i think everyone left alive should affirm how many scum they think are remaining. i know bacde says 2. this is extra infuriating because he's forcing himself to read people as scum to fill this imaginary quota. and ps there is less than zero percent chance that lylo will be rofl/aces/bacde there is no way scum would be stupid enough to leave alive the mason and gunsmith clear and kill oversoul or jacob. you seem to think that i am pants on head retarded scum. and as an aside *stop even mentioning ongoing games when i'm the only one who will fully understand what you're talking about, its not like you're going to convince ME i'm scum*

sorry if that was a little stream of consciousness i'm not totally sober right now

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and is anyone other than kingdom talking about lynching you? i don't think anyone else is even considering it. here's how the town players in the three unconfirmed see this right now: "figure out which one of those two is scum. if wrong, lynch other tomorrow." in no scenario does a bacde lynch seem to enter into the equation except in your own head.

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and i think the game is going to end if we lynch right today, and even if we lynch wrong today there exists no scenario that will involve anyone even entertaining the idea of lynching you

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gf is not supposed to be a gunsmith negative. if that exists in this setup and has had an effect on the game, it is a large mod error/oversight.

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the wiki entry on gunsmith says specifically: "Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors)" have a gun. but that is neither here nor there. and the delayed dayvig would have been more like a miller that becomes a dayvig in this setup if not for the sweet pgo claim.

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and again

look at these numbers

, you're telling yourself that an 18 player game has five mafia. the 19 player game had five mafia, one of which was a traitor, and that was seen as scum sided. the 21 player game had five mafia and one of them was a traitor. you think there are five full mafia in this game. i think you're nuts.

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i am here, not quickhammering and whatnot

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everyone but jacob has been obvtowning all over this thread

vote: jacob

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bacde why have you gotten more timid with every passing day

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oversoul i really just need you to convince me you're town literally the only thing all game that i thought you did scummy was getting all weird about possibly being investigated and your predecessor looked town as fuck

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Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

<3 u HD

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Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

<3 u HD

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^the early game is just littered with gems. and i wanted to lynch bacde right at the beginning of the game so it would really make me feel better about myself if he was scum.

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yes most definitely

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to both questions

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i mean with your vote and your lynch-leading-ness

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what are you just passively accepting my grilling right now?

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i mean with your vote and your lynch-leading-ness

really? I don't really remember ever leading that much in this game

do you have a response to this?

lynch-leading might not be the right term but you had a certain gusto in the early game that has utterly disappeared, you seemed to just accept lynches since peta's lynch, you've been much more concerned with things like outlandish endgame scenarios ("what if its rolf/kingdom/bacde!") while everyone else actually seemed to think this game would never reach 3 man lylo.

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Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

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why would I be more likely to make this post as scum rather than as town?

IMO its not likely for scum to directly buddy their partners, its a large reason of why I didn't want you lynched after peta flipped scum

but you seem to think its likely

because you have big brass balls and at this stage in the game you were letting them swing wildly

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But do you remember how a large part of that was you associating me with smashbard? I recall you saying that there was an "obv chainsaw defense" on the first page of your posting

uh huh, a large part, but not all of it. so, strawman much? my gut wanted you lynched early in the game. i'm waxing philosophical, gee wouldn't it be nice if after all this time i was right about you in the beginning.

You also made an association case on Peregrine for the way he interacted w/ HD, but that ended up being incorrect. Why do you think this association case is correct?

holy shit this is a terrible defense. "you made an association case on peregrine and he flipped town therefore all association cases are wrong" is pretty much what you are saying. i was also wrong about jacob, and about actiondan, and about smashbard early in the game, and i was crazy wrong about peta. so should i just stop playing mafia because i was wrong so much? or could it just be that i'm *town* so i get things wrong sometimes and when that happens all i can do is come back the next day and try to get it right this time? my being wrong about peregrine-hd interaction literally has zero bearing on whether or not i'm right about hd-bacde interactions.

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Rofl, why are you concerned with the way I acted towards being investigated with Zone?

cause it was sketch as hell man, the possibility of an investigation comes up and you're all 'zomg don't investigate me it would be a waste of time hur dur!"

but really, like i said, that is the only time this entire game that my radar even perked up in your direction. for you to be mafia, go would have to have 1) bussed zepher like mad, 2) been bussed in return by hd for bussing zepher (which was actually a major, major example of a chainsaw defense) and 3) turned right around and bussed hd too. its just not something i consider plausible.

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tits

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honestly peta on me was like the most obvious scum-town buddy up ever when you look back at it

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this game was poorly run

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i should have listened to myself about your scummy scummy reaction to investigations

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its all right i was working my way up to a vote on you too

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konowa who did you bodyguard the night you died?