In post 187, Nul wrote:Really? Mario voted "null", and for the next 3-4 pages people were suspicious of him because they all thought he was voting me, he didn't even explain to people he was actually voting for no one. You can read people's responses all asking why he is voting me after claiming that "RVS is bad" (
#34). Take Blue Yoshi's post as a prime example.
#164 mod still has got it wrong. Somehow I am scummy for correcting this??
You have what I call a crumbly case, and a crumbly case is scummy.
Yes, really. It rubs weird to me. But Like I said I don't know why. There's a reason everyone assumed he was voting for you, because it looked like he was! So you being the
only player
to realize his "mistake" and the vote just happened to be being misinterpreted as on you? It's weird to me. And because you're leaning scum for me and Mario's leaning town, I'm inclined to believe that's the relationship there, but I'm not positive. I already said that, though.
Asking for votes puts pressure on the person and is used for scumhunting. Pushing a "BS wagon", as you called it, sounds to me like pushing for a lynch. The two are different things.
Okay but I asked what the difference was
in action
, not in motivation. I already said that there was a possible difference in motivation, but how is a player supposed to 100% know the motivation of another player? Oh right, only scum can do that.
You're really good at not actually answering questions.
Correction. You're not giving information, you're throwing around possibilities and fence-sitting. This is anti-town. If you can't delve into detail then don't say it in the first place, you're just leading discussion in the wrong way if you can't provide evidence for your claims.
No, I am giving information. And I'm providing reasons form my information. I'm also not fence-sitting, I'm just also not giving a blanket town or scum read to every player right now because
it is day one and we have almost no information to do that.
You just don't seem to like the information that I'm giving. Am I hitting too close to the truth?
In post 181, Chenoan wrote:Asking a question IS making a stance. It's just a better way to encourage discussion than making a blatant statement. A question clearly sows that you want a response and want to see a reaction. An accusation doesn't do that as well. Besides, just because one thing stands out doesn't mean I'm going to leap to assuming that a player is scum. That's pointless. Someone can be scummy without being scum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
What even? Okay, I'm not expert at logical fallacies, but I don't think I'm doing that at all. Please elaborate/be more specific? If it's the someone can be scummy without being scum statement, then uhm. K. It's a statement that's true. People get scum reads on players that are innocent all the time, I've seen it in every game I've played. That's how townies end up accidentally getting lynched. But if that's the only part of that statement you're responding to... I don't even.
Yet I haven't seen you try to present the arguments to him, it's like you don't want him to defend himself. You haven't even addressed your case against Monkey by pursuing it in your last few giant posts. The only sentence where you've mentioned anything about Monkey is; "Really dislike Monkey's 154. Seems like backtracking to me.". Are you even trying to scumhunt? Monkey is your highest scum read and that's all you've got to say in your giant essay? How about putting some pressure on him by asking more questions?
My "essay" was a catch-up post. Monkey made like 2 posts in the time that I missed that I hadn't already reacted/responded to. So yea, that's all there was on him in my "essay" because that's all he'd done for me to respond to.
I'm sorry that I made the assumption that voting for someone and giving a reason why and then calling them out for not responding to the vote was enough to "present the argument" to a player? Because that seems like pretty blatantly presenting an argument to someone.
Why are you so eager to defence monkeyman?
I would like to use Zionite's scumtell that townies should be actively consisting people of their reads or pursuing the cases they've made. You however have done neither of that regarding your case against Monkey.
I'm sorry? Like I don't know what response you're wanting out of that statement, because from my perspective I'm scumhunting to the best of my ability. No, I'm not pushing just one case because I don't want to tunnel and I'm not 100% confident of my read yet (I apparently have a very bad habit of tunneling and it caused me problems in both of my newbies games so I've been trying to get better at not doing that). I'm not pushing for a lynch on Monkey, he's just my strongest scumread right now. But like other players have said it's still early for a lynch.
(the post is large so I'm posting it in two parts.)
