Planet: MafiaScum 2 - Winter 2018

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What is the win condition?

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Do the regions not have a set number of space for players?

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ty

4 for each is a bit boring

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last spot looks tempting...

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/in Oekkezia

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Someone should be really cool and sketch up a quick map

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Proposal for a united Gazebo council?

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That any major international operations should be put to a council vote before instigation. On a Gazebo-wide scale I'd like to see multilateral disarmament in this time of peace, a removal of trade tariffs, and finally a Gazeboan patent register to protect technologies developed by each nation and to incentivise research.

- Silverlands

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Like a United Nations of some sort?

-KBI of FT

Yes

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The Silverlands would find it in the interests of fairness for a voting process being used to decide which city/nation the Gazebo UN HQ should reside with also the option of a special, neutral "free state" being created to house the UN administrative centre

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Well Fallen Tragedy has declared to be universally neutral on all matters, has it not?

~Ambassador Tor'Kin, Face to the World

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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#3 Oekezzia looks like The Silverlands to me.

Also, if you go below the map do you come out at the top? Or is this unknown and we need to explore such uncharted areas?

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I still want to know if there are unexplored lands above and below the map/Gazebo

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Whaa

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so is that 'one continent' still called Gazebo or what?

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The Silverlands would like to create and "Oekezzian Union" treaty to unite the southern island nations in one pact for the betterment of Oekezzia as a whole

And also we'd like to spend some money this turn to produce fish farms and an investment bank

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1B into investment banking/financial sector
1B into fish farms/artificial reef
1B into an international patent office to protect patented technologies
1B into science
2B into social welfare + employment initiatives
1B into education

3B into Silverlands national reserves

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Claiming the United Gazebo Nations to be built in Fallen, as it is purely neutral territory

~Grand Commandant Sopheria of Fallen

If this concerns you, contact me privately.

The Kingdom of Koapox has strong reservations to a united organization's location being claimed without input from all nations. In addition, Fallen is quite clearly a part of the highly factional Udos, and Koapox would not like the United Nations to be built anywhere there.

The Silverlands strongly agree and propose a HQ for the UGN on one of the small, unclaimed islands

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and declare it a neutral zone, free from our influence.

Like a little grey dot on the map?

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That big green island between Oekkezia and Eyato looks worthwile

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Mechanica Terram also sternly warns

The Silverlands

not to attempt to monopolise any market.

The Silverlands

are taken aback by such an unprovoked and unfair warning and would like to point out that anything they can produce will be common to all of Okezzia, if not Gazebo itself. Having said that, it highly values it's patent laws and would seek to increase it's comparative advantage in the financial services sector for the long term sustainability for all Gazeboan nations.

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The Silverlands would like to instigate a town-twinning and sister cities initiative.

The Silverlands invite Dispuleto, Morhpia and the Mushroom Kingdom to twin a town or city with ourselves as a sign of goodwill.

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1B into investment banking/financial sector
1B into fish farms/artificial reef
1B into an international patent office to protect patented technologies
1B into science
2B into social welfare + employment initiatives
1B into education

3B into Silverlands national reserves

Just to clarify the 1B into the financial sector involve creating an international bank. My 3B reserves will be put into there and will gain interest as the bankers and actuaries choose to invest it. If anyone else would like appreciation on their national reserves rather than leaving them collecting dust, The Silverlands international bank will happily open an account for them

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It's much better to...

Pump $1B on research of robotic soldiers.

yeah...

The Silverlands would like to bring to the UN agenda the issue of the alarming and excessive rate of military research in a time of peace.

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The Silverlands' points still stand and find any excessive military research or training to be inherently sinister

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Says the country who wants to rule over the economic world.

Funnily enough I never actually said that in my submission and was quite annoyed when it was printed that way >.>

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Yeah, if you wanna call me out on "excessive military spending", here you go.

I never said it was just you, but anyone investing billions into the military already. In a time of peace you really don't need to pour millions into war

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Well my point was that it is good to save and invest funds. If I'm in a time of emergency or shortage I don't want to have no monies left or it all tied up in research or military

The Silverlands intends to have no military for the foreseeable future and would extend the hand of favour to countries also embracing the ways of multilateral demilitarisation

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I believe if they're building an army to help secure their borders, it should be fine.

~Grand Commandant Sopheria of Fallen

That's hardly an army, just a patrol

And I don't think anyone here has voiced any border disputes or has any boundary issues

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Arrakis votes Yes on making 2013 the official year in the entire land.

this

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Koapox would also like to instate a moderate income tax based upon your income; the highest-earning citizens pay the most by percentage. There's a technical term for this but the King has temporarily forgotten it.

Progressive taxation

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The benefit of having the tertiary resources is very low (you might make a tiny profit over a lot of turns)

Tertiary resources can be responsible for a great multiplier effect amongst primary productivity

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3B on economic growth and mining
0.25 B on an airport in the capital
0.5 B on a multifunctional Oekezzia satellite launch
0.5 B on the coast as sea defences and fish farms
0.25 B on PR strategists to boots our international approval rating


Utilize patent office to patent various medical inventions and research new inventions
Also +1 Silverlands general disapproval at not attaining any interest on it's reserves after building a 1 B investment bank last turn >:V

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2B on the export of oil to other nations at cheap prices (while still making a profit for meeeeeeee)
4B in the national reserves
1B on general upkeep to keep the lights on, water flowing, etc
1B on a public referendum to answer the following question: If the people of Koapox could solve one problem, what would it be?
1B on financing the education system in the Kingdom

Silverlands, would you be willing to accept a Koapox investment in your national bank thing?

Certainly! We welcome investments and trade between all fellow peacekeeping nations. Provided we ever actually get any interest that is and our shiny new bank wasn't 1 B down the drain of course

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Utilize patent office to patent various medical inventions and research new inventions

We know you want to protect your economy, but don't you find patenting everything a bit too overboard?

Shrug. Tell it to the guys in the patent office. I mean we didn't splash the cash on one just because it looks pretty

I mean the patent clerks would have nothing to do if they didn't have patents to file. With such general unrest and boredom from a lack of work, the workers would most likely turn to hard liquor and crime, resulting in a negative economic spiral and causing the economy of The Silverlands to crash in a pitiful swirl of depression and rogue patent clerks. This would have a domino effect on the general economic wellbeing of Oekezzia, and Gazebo by extension, causing anarchy levels to pirouette out of control and society to degrade into a fuzzy mish-mash of despair and unrest.

And I don't think any of us would want that right?

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Provided we ever actually get any interest that is and our shiny new bank wasn't 1 B down the drain of course

Of course not, as long as what you spend is sensible it's used in an effective way, not necessarily exactly what you intended due to limitations on the data sheets and scripts, but it is never wasted.

Seeing as The Silverlands is a plutocracy we like to think our investment bankers are some of the smartest in the land and take pride in our financial services and reserves of rare earth metals (which aren't actually that rare anymore)

I mean I don't personally talk to the guys in the national investment bank myself. They're a bit dull to be honest. Never got the same thrill from a scatter graph like they do

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You should

place any leftover reserves in my bank

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(oh, and there'll be a small levy on interest gained by imported investments to keep the bank a feasible operation. But this is only a charge on gained interest, so there is still a net profit to investors. Thanks)

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sure

I can negotiate loans on a case-by-case basis with repayment deadlines and interest stuff etc.

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I'm just going to assume Chesstopua is part of the alliance TS sent the entire region and he accepted it, and since I did, I accepted an alliance with him.

I don't think Orcinus has accepted the Oekezzian union pact yet

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I'm just going to assume Chesstopua is part of the alliance TS sent the entire region and he accepted it, and since I did, I accepted an alliance with him.

I don't think Orcinus has accepted the Oekezzian union pact yet

OH YEAH IM OK WITH THIS TOO

OK

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3B into income from mining and other industrial ways of more money

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3B into resources demanded by our economy to become more self-sufficient

0.5B into sea exploration south of Oekezzia (all discovered lands to be claimed by The Silverlands and the Oekezzian pact)

rest into reserves/bank

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The Silverlands are glad they never had anything to do with the slimy ways of Mhorkia and privately suspected there was a sinister wind about the place

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^

The Silverlands would like to also do this and would encourage the rest of the Oekezzian pact to

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The citizens of The Silverlands trust the government's decision here due to the high standards of living they have bestowed upon them

They also never liked the goods they imported from

that place

anyway

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Last edited by TS on Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:07 am, edited 1 time in total.

THE PUBLIC SHAME BRIGADE HAS ARRIVED

it was a typo as you can see from the post Orci quoted

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The Silverlands feel that Mhorkia's quasi-religion does nothing to help the world as a whole nor the people in it. Is just attention-seeking and it is constantly given more publicity than it deserves.

Our embargo remains, and were we not a sensible nation of peace, we would feel obliged to a greater response

The Silverlands would like to propose a multilateral automatic proxy embargo on any nation found spying or lying

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I have little empathy for any nation spying or trying to impose their own culture on others (to the detriment of the individuality of the Gazebo nations)

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The Silverlands feel that any burden of proof should lie with the accused and uphold their embargo. We would care to point out that
1) Having "operatives" in the first place is suspect
2) None of this would have happened without Mhorkism

Beyond embargo we care to have no further role at present. The microworld of Oekezzia suits all of our needs and we are keen to stick with our Island allies on rest of this issue.

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Every nation has agents in all other nations. Even with zero intelligence spending you have some, they just won't be very effective.

That seems mindless and not something befitting a nation of peace and utopian ideals

Withdraw any agents in other nations

I could encourage other nations to do the same. Someone has to lead by example.

Invest 0.5B into EMP research technology
Invest 0.5B to accelerate southward Oekezzian expeditions and colonization. Communications to arrive at Silverlans HQ periodically (so that I get captain log updates each turn)

@Ani, Orc, Chess

Propose the idea of an intra-Oekezzia rail link to connect the Oekezzian capitals, increase trade and boost production factor mobility.

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In addition, will the Silverlands now lift their embargo since having agents is no longer suspect?

~Tor'Kin, Face to the World

Having agents is still suspect to me, hence I withdrew mine

We intend to play no further part in this issue and are already weary of it.

Invest 1B into Okezzian rail link project

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So you are continuing your embargo? Fascinating. Do you also intend to embargo Elybria for having agents in Arrakis? Or the Mushroom Kingdom for investing, by our public count, 8 billion in training spies with no indication of their intentions? Why are you singling out the Holy Empire?

~Ambassador Tor'Kin, Face to the World

By withdrawing all of our operatives, The Silverlands has a perfectly clean slate.

Before you can even begin to criticize our foreign policy, you would have to withdraw any spies of your own. Until then we have no interest in opening negotiations

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And your slate is most definitely not clean. You have clearly picked a side: opposition to us. Opposition to us indicates support of Elybria. If you were truly neutral on the matter, you would either lift your embargo on us or embargo Elybria and the Mushroom Kingdom.

Our slate is perfectly clean in that we are leading my an example of peace and not encouraging spying. We do not impose our culture nor are we ever caught spying. The Silverlands has no forces or spies. We do not exist to tidy the mess of other nations and create none of our own.

I oppose spying and irresponsible government. Neither of these stances are unreasonable.

Furthermore a single embargo on the Mushroom Kingdom would have negligible effect

I will not be responding to any more of this chain of questioning. The Silverlands have little patience for duplicitous nations.

1B on nuclear fusion research

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Invest 4B into border controls, anti-spying, immigration control, and general Silverlands pride

Also 0.5B into tidal power

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Topo wishes to withdraw the 1 billion from the bank of the Silverlands. We fear, with hostilities increasing between our neighbor and the Silverlands, we may be cut off from the Toposian investment.

The Silverlands is a country that operates in the highest professionalism and prides itself on that. We would take a dim view on any nation who would assume our foreign policy is so volatile that it would infringe upon the rights of our monetary investor partner nations.

When someone invests in The Silverlands we like to think they are not doing it purely out of the novelty, and are rather upset by your knee-jerk withdrawal. There are no hostilities. A nation of peace and no spies does not allow external affairs to engulf them.

Having said that though, we do empathise with your position as we too stick by our own allies when they need us.

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And don't expect construction to get underway until we can afford to pay our fair share

sure

We'd like to share your project on mineral/material technology research and pay half the costs for half the patent rights. We have the only international patent office in Gazebo so can protect any researched technologies. This, combined with a quota on the amount of exported rare minerals, can protect the long-term future of our Oekezzian nations.

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The Silverlands proposes the following framework for

Okezziarail

:


The red squares indicate capital cities and the red circles indicate other cities (feel free to add your own)
The green lines are the international high-speed rails and the purple ones are domestic subsidiary rail links (again, feel free to add your own)

On an unrelated note, The Silverlands would like to turn the beautiful, exotic and wildlife-rich green island just below its country into a opulent resort to attract tourists and money. This special economic zone is free of the strict Silverlands border control and is self-ruled with its own assembly. People travelling between the resort province and The Silverlands would be subject to the anti-spy border controls though.

Invest 1B into this project

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Pedit: Why is chesstopia so much smaller than the other countries

Xalxe made the map, the person you replaced either picked that spot or was given it by default.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5281136

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If you're concerned about size, you're welcome to share some of the unexplored lands we discover below Oekezzia if you fund southward exploration with us (ideally the legal fees for actually having the land internationally recognised as ours and under joint rule)

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If the Silverlands Bank can guarantee its neutralness, the Council of the People has authorized me to rescind the withdrawal, and to

invest an additional 1 B in the bank

. We apologize if there was any slight made upon your bank.

High Chancellor Klazam

EDIT: Bolding added.

The bank is automatically run by bankers with calculators, spreadsheets and fancy pencils. It is kept separate from political affairs, and whilst The Silverlands have inherent ties to the Oekezzian pact, its foreign policy is still neutral.

(not like we could do anything if we weren't though as we have no spies or army)

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Quick topics? You sneaky players

Oh yes the person who proposed splitting our research with us on minerals.

Do we want to do this inside of all of Okkezia(close enough)
and if not how much is fair for you to give me for us to share tech and then joint research? (slash have you spent any money researching)

I am fine with pooling Oekezzian resources for research. I would be willing to match any investments you make into industrial research

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Utilise the patent lawyers to patent nuclear fusion

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Request southern lands exploration update

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/agree

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I'm good with either.

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1B on education
1B on energy
1B on welfare
1B on subterranean terraforming
0.5B into southern lands colonisation
1B on legal rights to habitable space planets

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I don't think you can actually claim legal rights to space colonization. That definitely feels like an international issue worthy of discussion.

Well I'm sure the expert lawyers who I'm throwing money at will happily discuss it.

1B on subterranean terraforming

I'm kind of interested in what you actually intend to happen here.

Since the Southern lands do not contain great hidden vast expanses, The Silverlands thinks expansion may have to be in a vertical direction.

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well if you ignore laws that isn't going to be doing yourself any favours hmmy hmm?

I'm fine with a meeting but rushing to grab pieces on a basis of physically getting there could lead to rash and myopic decisions

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You have no international authority

The law people I'm paying do.

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In addition your team of lawyers has no international authority. Planetary colonization is by and large one of the most international issues at hand. You cannot just claim all of space and expect the rest of the world to listen you.

Says the one who can't manage their own country and shady operatives

I'm not claiming all of space. That's an insulting exaggeration. And my lawyers do have international authority because they are international lawyers. I don't see anyone else proposing how to sort out this agenda and until I brought up this issue you were all fine to play finders keepers/everyman for themselves

hmmy hmm pot calling kettle hmm

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"[...] You were all fine to play finders keepers/everyman for themselves" - indeed we were

so you're basically dismissing co-operation and rather we all fight for scraps?

That's stupidly short-sighted. If someone lands on every planet first they shouldn't get to keep them all. Without co-operation there are no rules and this is all mindless. If we are all competing against each other then we all waste resources by antagonistic and competing factors. It's inherently myopic not to reason out a protocol and section pieces out to prevent inevitable arguments in the future. The Silverlands expected more of a society which is supposed to live in the modern age and not of troglodyte game theory

(ftr humanity doesn't apply to lawyers by definition)

Invest remaining funds of the round into space technology, fuel cells, land reclamation and satellite tests.

Begin an import convergence into Oekezzian autarky

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You know we're getting rather annoyed with constant slights and insults. The Holt Empire has been nothing but open and generous and receive nothing but pointed comments and insults. Speaking of troglodytic insults, Mr. TS.

~Ambassador Tor'Kin, Face to the World

I'm sure the "Holt Empire" has been open in some senses, but seeing as you were caught in illict spying tactics and we are the only nation to have given up all agents/operatives, we're really tired of you thinking you have some sort of moral high ground.

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cause it becomes a point where we can all just smash whatever player doesn't obey.

Mindless. Forgot this game was set in Orwellian 1984

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Well you're the one attempting to impose rules on the rest of us.

And you hardly have the moral high ground. Of all the nations that still have agents, how many are you embargoing? And it still wasn't my agent, as I have been saying. Our moral high ground comes from open honesty and attempting to create a peaceful world where we can all coexist.

Also fuck off my phone won't correct holt to holy when I start it capitalized. >.<

shrug. I don't see how you can be any more interested in a peaceful world than by getting rid of all your agents and soldiers. So it's just ignorant you say that I'm not into peace. Do your homework. But yeah, I'm not imposing rules. Let's actually have a world conference as I've been saying from the start and straighten out issues of the planets which are clearly important "plot devices"


And chill dude. It's just a game. No need to have a fit

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tbh I don't think embargoes are even that potent at all. There isn't a balance of imports account so I just assume trade diversion is automatic, thus making anything but universal embargoes pretty much pointless. And I don't think anyone deserves that right now.

unembargo Mhork

w/r/t 'fair locations' I couldn't care less where it is anymore as long as 'it is'. A HQ on any country is better than no HQ at all. I'm not even convinced we need a physical location either. We're all talking now without the same geographic location.

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Eh fine. Like I say I'm not fussed where is is anymore as long as it's made so co-operative projects can be done and it isn't just a short-sighted scramble for anything exhaustible.

Is there any tangible advantages to these trading deals? I know it's a nice fluffy principle, but at the end of the day my national income each round is pretty much the same. And I suspect imports are managed in magical ways anyways. I never get to see the books that balance what comes from where.

In the very long term I would hope to eliminate transport costs on trade and make Oekezzia mainly self-sufficient for anything it can physically produce using the Ricardian theory of comparative advantage. I'd like to make the most of both our new transport links and our Islandy-ness.

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shrug. I don't see how you can be any more interested in a peaceful world than by getting rid of all your agents and soldiers. So it's just ignorant you say that I'm not into peace. Do your homework. But yeah, I'm not imposing rules. Let's actually have a world conference as I've been saying from the start and straighten out issues of the planets which are clearly important "plot devices"

FINALLY, you were the one that was trying to lawyer up and impose rules on everyone else with no meeting.

I've said from the start I wanted a meeting/agenda. I wasn't making rules for others either, just getting bored of no developments there so trying to make action about it one way or another

Every member of the coalition agrees to spend 1.25 billion per turn on research and share all tech freely and cooperate in research, also.

Do this

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Did I say I would do it? No. Will I? No.

it was implied

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sure~

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^this

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mhm

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2.5billion on our research pact on mineral mining improvements

Do this ^

Thanks.

this

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(yeah sure why not)