Mini 1500:Narnia- The Lion,the Witch,and the Wardrobe Mafia

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Vote smargaret

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UNVOTE: smargaret
VOTE: mneumonicdevice

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Broken Aquarium, care to explain why you're voting someone instead of just voting?

ehh?

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if i can interpret that...
i'm voting mneumonic cause of post 30. it's the most that's stuck out to me. his whole "i would vote that, but...."
what's the point in saying that?

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kinda like... given JKLM, too much benefit of the doubt

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i think the sites somewhat broken, cause i haven't been able to make up an avatar.
also... liking JKLM for town.

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I can confirm that its somewhat broken. No disk space for new avatars.

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Hey look guys, we have a serious vote the 4th post of pg 2 woo hoo!

vote mozamiz

Trying to get a mislynch wagon as early as possible. Scum IMO but I know some people think that getting out of RVS early is a town thing to do so to each his own really.

But my own opinion would be that he's scum who wants to get day 1 over with as quick as possible~

Also avatars really help.

kinda think moz might not be scum speaking either. just looking too hard for something

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Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.

I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?

mnemonic...this seems like whiteknighting on your part. why so certain that peace is town?

i think peace is town, and mnemonic is scum

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Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.

you must be pleased about this

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VOTE: projectmatt

why?

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VOTE: projectmatt for voting without a reason. Bit bandwagon-y.

YES

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guys, i think moz is town

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jklm and hoing as town as well

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what's interesting mneumonic?

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guys, that combined with this

Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.

^ most townies react like... "why didn't you call out L-1 with your vote???" here, it seems like he's not that concerned.


and these posts where he's sticking up for others (really looks like whiteknighting):

Ugh... If it was anyone else I would vote this^ for it's annoyingness in RVS, but I know that that is just how he plays

Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.

I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?

i really think he is scum.

and he got his vote mixed up on projectmatt

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also apologies, because we still can't upload an avatar. it's annoying me

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not too mention the overusage of the word "interesting"

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I want to hear his explanation first, since I don't see his recent Unvote as particularly scummy. Why aren't you voting if you are convinced? Your vote does no good rotting in your hands.

we are
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5339321

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skelda, what do you think about his posts i linked...
post 30, where he says he would vote for JKLM, but he knows that's his posting style
as well as post 59, when he defends peace... when others were kind of getting their backs up at peace.
and post 61 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5341743

i know this is not a good argument... but i do that very thing as scum. whiteknight the people that town suspect.

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And "interesting" is likely just a playstyle thing.

not necessarily
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29969
look at ISO

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You just don't like me .

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is everyone agreeing that moz is town?

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Once I realized that there were more scummy people than him, I unvoted.

Who? Why unvote and not vote or otherwise pursue these 'scummier' people?

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Can we have a votecount?

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i don't get the votes on Honig....

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JKLM, you are town -- what are your thoughts on Honig? town/scum?

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I've got to agree with smargaret here. When somebody is accused by only one person and becomes overly defensive, that's somewhat of a scumsign.

Skelda also makes me suspicious, but less. His fumbling around with that recent vote seems odd.

But at the moment...
VOTE: HonigBear

NB: I will be V/LA until Thursday

>>Noted<<

^suspicious
skelda seems town.

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vote broken aquarium...

just because

<3

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None of my scummier reads deserve a vote yet. Just a little bit and I will vote. And explain. Maybe explain.

maybe explain? oh, you must be town now, for standing your ground

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No Skelda he means he loves you -points to the diamond ring in MD's hand-

lol

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UNVOTE: mneumonic
VOTE: peacebringer

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UNVOTE: peacebringer
VOTE: garmr

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UNVOTE: mneumonic
VOTE: peacebringer

So you want to advocate a policy lynch?

shush

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UNVOTE: mneumonic
VOTE: peacebringer

My arguement was meant to steer everyone towards Skelda, not towards Peace, I am confused.

no i firmly think Skelda is town, as well as JKLM

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You didn't answer why you switched so quickly.

i was sheeping JKLM

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to be clear, the vote on peacebringer was not due to thinking they were scum. it was for added pressure though.
i wanted to see how they'd react. however..... you unvoted them... so, no real good there.

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I kinda forgot about him re entering into this game myself, so yeah he probabalyd eserves a vote better than you do. I kinda see it going two ways: he's trying to set up a town block on the first day or he's buddying hardcore. I think 4 times is a bit excessive to list a town tell on me in such short amount of time

Honestly gamr not to sound buddyish bit that's the best point I've heard this game, a lot of junk has been flying around at each other. Why are we not voting him?

vote Aquarium

And I don't see what you're saying on the last paragraph, be clearer. I still support a lynch in peace if it comes too it, she's on my top 3 scum reads

Although I think gamr you may be still on next once broken aquarium is dealt with

Idk that sheep wasn't something I liked either

UNVOTE: garmr
VOTE: JKLM
yes i know i just said i had him as town.
but uh... JKLM, didn't you just finish voting garmr?
also whats with the "BA could be scum, or they could be trying for a town block" which is it? why even mention trying for a town block... when the result is to vote us?
kinda like, inserting doubt, yet not really meaning it.
i no longer have a town read on you
and yes--- i was blatantly sheeping, before.

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hey garm, why do you think honig is town?

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UNVOTE: JKM
VOTE: garmr


skelda-- what are your thoughts on JKLM?
i ask because i thought for sure town, up till post 272.
but i could be over-reacting due to his weird switch

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I think 4 times is a bit excessive to list a town tell on me in such short amount of time

We don't know many people in this game. Its made following and keeping up and invested harder on us. As a means of staying in touch with the game though we do try and keep posting, which may result in being a little repetitive at times. This also ties into where I was going with these:

You didn't answer why you switched so quickly.

i was sheeping JKLM

to be clear, the vote on peacebringer was not due to thinking they were scum. it was for added pressure though.
i wanted to see how they'd react. however..... you unvoted them... so, no real good there.

Sheeping town reads when your scum reads are fading and you aren't invested isn't the worst thing you can do, also, the joke of voting peacebringer without any explanation was a little too good to pass up. I should note here that Garmr was our leading scum read once we got a little colder on the idea of Mnemonic scum. But no one else was voting for him and we didn't have the drive to make a wagon happen. This is another reason why switching with you was easy.

Nothing better to solidify your scum status than OMGUS and then switching the vote again when you get called out on it.

Complacency complacency complacency

OMGUSing isn't a scum tell. Its an emotional response that all alignments do. Coming down off those emotions and also being gifted with that wonderful Garmr vote post to reaffirm our read on his slot made switching easy. (yes it was another vote for us, no that doesn't make it OMGUS)

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also, this is late in response, but caught this while rereading

i don't get the votes on Honig....

What don't you get? What do you make of his post here:

Moz do you still think I'm town and if so why?

i still don't see him as scum. his post here kinda reconfirmed that:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5357029

and it's in retrospect now, since i missed this question... but what honig said: you get suspicious of those town reading you ESPECIALLY when you are scum reading them.

i looked at your ISO, broalien, i don't think you have commented on honig since then.
what are your thoughts now?
(to be clear - i still think town)


(also garmr is scum)

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Btw I have some ideas now that I'm backending with PA. We'll let you know how things turn out. Agreement from our last post set was that we didn't like how Hermy's been latching onto every available wagon at the drop of a hat, and we still think Honig is scummy.
-Bro

ah, nvm

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still because of his question to moz?

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I'm the one that looks confused?!?!

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Sheeping town reads with out explaining why you agree is pretty bad also you offered nothing new to the argument. You may argue the point about omgusing is a null sign which it can be. But when you act really emotional with out listing points then quickly remove it and say your a town read again in just a couple of post. That is when it turns scummy as hell when it becomes scummy. Also the fact JKLM says the mnemonic wagon looks scummy then you magically sheep him onto his next vote. Using Wifom scenario's aren't the best for defenses as well.

I should note here that Garmr was our leading scum read once we got a little colder on the idea of Mnemonic scum. But no one else was voting for him and we didn't have the drive to make a wagon happen. This is another reason why switching with you was easy.

Also if I was your leading scum read why did you wait for someone else to vote me. Were you that afraid that it might backfire on you if you were town you wouldn't really have anything to lose by scumhunting. This seems more like a scum motivated reason than a town one. You made no indication prior either that you viewed me as scum.

I like how you showed post 211 of Honig saying that's why you think his town. Just like when you asked me why I think Honig is town and I sent a link to that post. Oh wait that's a coincidence isn't it. Also doesn't it worry you at all that you just sheeped a reason off your top scum read.

Also you think I'm scum. where are your points you have failed to make a case against me. You haven't even mentioned a reason why you think I'm scum I guess you'll sheep those reason off JKLM.

Also you pretty much been fluffing all game. It took you till 292 to make a attempt scum hunting because you are under the microscope. Even then you offer no original reasons. Your defenses are paper thin as well you can poke a hole in all of them.

Also with now you want to answer alienbro's question. This looks like some cheap attempt to get the heat off you, It's kinda pathetic you know. There's no where to run now Broken Aquarium I'm not letting you wriggle out of this.

Like, read this and tell me he isn't either delusional or twisting everything to be negative. I didn't start scumhutning until 292? I was scumhutning mnemonic as early as 108. The rest isn't worth responding to or has already been explained.

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I think you are scum. I have no need to defend against you unless others are actually taking your post seriously. And god help me if the town is that bad.

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I completely disagree, in this context at least.

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HERMY-

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UNVOTE: smargaret
VOTE: mneumonicdevice

if i can interpret that...
i'm voting mneumonic cause of post 30. it's the most that's stuck out to me. his whole "i would vote that, but...."
what's the point in saying that?

Why didn't you just post your reason WITH your vote? I don't know whether this is spur-of-the-moment inventing a reason, or not.

why do i have to post a reason right then and there with my vote?

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guys, that combined with this

Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.

^ most townies react like... "why didn't you call out L-1 with your vote???" here, it seems like he's not that concerned.


and these posts where he's sticking up for others (really looks like whiteknighting):

Ugh... If it was anyone else I would vote this^ for it's annoyingness in RVS, but I know that that is just how he plays

Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.

I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?

i really think he is scum.

and he got his vote mixed up on projectmatt

I like this little case. Townpoints for that.

thanks
i'm still not sure of him, still due to these points

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i don't get the votes on Honig....

You don't get the votes on Honig... after about two decent vote explanations from other people (along with their votes, of course). This does sound a little bit like scum trying to subtly defend their scumpartner. You probably did get them and were subtly expressing your 'annoyance/outrage'.

UNVOTE: mneumonic
VOTE: peacebringer

UNVOTE: peacebringer
VOTE: garmr

I don't know whether there was anything specific to change the vote so quickly (ISO view here) but quick vote changes are usually slightly odd looking to me.

i said before the vote on peacebringer was kind of a test to see how he'd react. and like JKLM said, i already mentioned, like 100 times, that he was my top town read. so, is it so weird to sheep him? i think others could agree before as well, that he was looking pretty town. tell me how many times you have seen people sheep in games, and they are town.
his case on garmr wasn't spectacular either... here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5363374
but i did think he could have a point. considering that i'm still not totally sure of mneumonic, yet garmr comes along and calls him town for that post... (this one: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5363182 or rather, says that he 'likes it'

then JKLM comes along shortly after his vote on garmr (post 262) and makes post 272: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5363615

which looks kinda weird, because he JUST finished voting for garmr, 10 posts ago. now, he's following his logic? hence my declining town read on him, and my vote on him. i did say, that it could be an overreaction on my part, along with the vote. but - i think it was justified, because it just looked weird... is all there is to it.

garmr then comes in, votes us as well, "for sheeping"
which i honestly think looks realllllly bad, on his part. looking for a reason to place a vote, or something (?) hence, the vote switch from JKLM to him.

Spoiler:

You didn't answer why you switched so quickly.

i was sheeping JKLM

What... I don't even...

please don't. :p

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Sheeping town reads with out explaining why you agree is pretty bad also you offered nothing new to the argument. You may argue the point about omgusing is a null sign which it can be. But when you act really emotional with out listing points then quickly remove it and say your a town read again in just a couple of post. That is when it turns scummy as hell when it becomes scummy. Also the fact JKLM says the mnemonic wagon looks scummy then you magically sheep him onto his next vote. Using Wifom scenario's aren't the best for defenses as well.

I should note here that Garmr was our leading scum read once we got a little colder on the idea of Mnemonic scum. But no one else was voting for him and we didn't have the drive to make a wagon happen. This is another reason why switching with you was easy.

Also if I was your leading scum read why did you wait for someone else to vote me. Were you that afraid that it might backfire on you if you were town you wouldn't really have anything to lose by scumhunting. This seems more like a scum motivated reason than a town one. You made no indication prior either that you viewed me as scum.

I like how you showed post 211 of Honig saying that's why you think his town. Just like when you asked me why I think Honig is town and I sent a link to that post. Oh wait that's a coincidence isn't it. Also doesn't it worry you at all that you just sheeped a reason off your top scum read.

Also you think I'm scum. where are your points you have failed to make a case against me. You haven't even mentioned a reason why you think I'm scum I guess you'll sheep those reason off JKLM.

Also you pretty much been fluffing all game. It took you till 292 to make a attempt scum hunting because you are under the microscope. Even then you offer no original reasons. Your defenses are paper thin as well you can poke a hole in all of them.

Also with now you want to answer alienbro's question. This looks like some cheap attempt to get the heat off you, It's kinda pathetic you know. There's no where to run now Broken Aquarium I'm not letting you wriggle out of this.

Like, read this and tell me he isn't either delusional or twisting everything to be negative. I didn't start scumhutning until 292? I was scumhutning mnemonic as early as 108. The rest isn't worth responding to or has already been explained.

'Delusional and twisting everything'; '!?'. This totally sounds like scum defending themselves.

it's not. chamber wrote that one, but i can't say i don't agree.

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see garmr. how weird was it to sheep JKLM?

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i disagree. there is something to be said for votes without reasoning, sometimes.
i remember nacho saying that to me before. and a few of the last few games, i've kinda been on a kick, where i realize that scum are the ones who want to over explain their votes. like, they have to overly justify it... to make sure it's rock solid.
did you see my post to HERMY? i explained why i voted him (JKLM). he votes you in 262, and then in 272 does a total 180. it was odd.
if you are town playing right now, you are focusing way too hard on this sheeping thing.

alright. your post that you liked mneumonic's post on Skelda. is that enough to make mneumonic town for you?

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how do you know to play? (curious)

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I feel like doing a few little case things right now

PeaceBringer

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vote jklm

well garmr, you can take it and stick it up your backside
it is not schtick it is what I do and how I play... feel free to do what you are doing...
you cannot help it...

vote garmr

vote Skelda...

after catching up,

unvote

vote broken aquarium...

just because

vote project matt

not that gamr makes that point

Vote honig...

vote gamr

If this was anybody but Peace then I'd make a fuss. This flitting between votes and not giving reasons annoys me. But since Peace is being an absolute bumnugget in general, I'll satisfy nyself with an itritated sigh.

But definitely first choice for a policy lynch.

all that said, this pretty much is my last game obligation on sight then I am out of hear as this obsession with explanations and blah blah blah BS really does not pertain to finding scum, just a lot of noise imo.

yes.

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It really just depends on the game you are in. The sites big enough that different pockets of play styles exist.

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how do you know to play? (curious)

want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.

i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would say
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.

/kinda off topic

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Huge ass cases aren't at all site meta though. Haven't been for a long time for exactly what you said, too beneficial for scum when town expects structured cases.

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Huge ass cases aren't at all site meta though. Haven't been for a long time for exactly what you said, too beneficial for scum when town expects structured cases.

so you think it's the town that initiates it?

from what i've seen. i get a lot of people 'demanding' that i post my reasons in FULL.

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how do you know to play? (curious)

want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.

i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would say
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.

/kinda off topic

yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.

i can see that, cause when you use a reason.... it allows for others to break it down. when sometimes it's just gut. and picking it apart, is still something scum can do.
(not sure if that's what you mean exactly). but that''s what i find.
actually..chamber was saying earlier to me... that 'scum try to be logically consistent... whereas town, are emotionally consistent'
i thought that seemed pretty realistic. but, that looking for emotional consistency, can be somewhat hard

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i disagree. there is something to be said for votes without reasoning, sometimes.
i remember nacho saying that to me before. and a few of the last few games, i've kinda been on a kick, where i realize that scum are the ones who want to over explain their votes. like, they have to overly justify it... to make sure it's rock solid.
did you see my post to HERMY? i explained why i voted him (JKLM). he votes you in 262, and then in 272 does a total 180. it was odd.
if you are town playing right now, you are focusing way too hard on this sheeping thing.

alright. your post that you liked mneumonic's post on Skelda. is that enough to make mneumonic town for you?

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Your focusing on the sheeping I have brought other points as well like how you got over emotional on the JKLM vote, the fact you didn't debunk any of my claims or the fact. Look at all my games I always explain myself extensively because I believe the more information you give out the easier you are to read. This is my play style through and you can feel free to look at my past games if you want. In my eyes my player style makes it harder for scum to hide and it seems to work for me. Also mnemonics still a bit iffy just you seem more scummy to me.

listen garmr.... i think the both of us are seeing you as pretty scummy right now.
(i am having a FEW doubts, at this moment)... haven't mentioned that to chamber yet.
but.... the thing is... why are we going to explain ourselves to someone questioning us, that we think is scum??
ya ya... you said before, that it will allow others to see our point of view.
but really.... from my perspective... i can't argue against your point that sheeping is scummy.
all i can say, is that it IS NOT.
i don't even know what your other points are.. that need to be responded to?
uh... you made mention that i used the same point in honig being town, as you did? what else....
oh ya... that you thought it was weird, that on reread i caught alienbro's question and responded to it?


so lame

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also, if you ARE town.. then continue looking at mneumonic. you are on the wrong track, atm

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You've already admitted to it and if she doesn't force replace you I'm going to replace myself out.

there is no reason whatsoever, that he should be force replaced
talk about emotional

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I think you are scum. I have no need to defend against you unless others are actually taking your post seriously. And god help me if the town is that bad.

Gamr has a great point in 311. No sense in repeating it.

you are scum
more so than garmr, right now

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No peace your not making up some bs reason to your posts. They were def anti town and spiteful I'm not having you ruin another game.

:/ relax

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how do you know to play? (curious)

want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.

i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would say
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.

/kinda off topic

yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.

i can see that, cause when you use a reason.... it allows for others to break it down. when sometimes it's just gut. and picking it apart, is still something scum can do.
(not sure if that's what you mean exactly). but that''s what i find.
actually..chamber was saying earlier to me... that 'scum try to be logically consistent... whereas town, are emotionally consistent'
i thought that seemed pretty realistic. but, that looking for emotional consistency, can be somewhat hard

yes, that does fit. There are certainly personality types where reason is important. Those more on the Judging end of things from a myers briggs side of things may actually get into all that and I understand that. I am a hard Intuitive. SO often times I do not even know what the reason is. I get that "scum" try and be logically consistent. See where I come from Scum try and look good, town does not give a rip how they look by and large. And folks that are either wildly inconsistent or have minor variances in play are hardest to read by and large and sometimes getting at the emotion or getting the reaction gets the cracks and such. And looking for emotional consistency can be tough, as with anything else. Things like this are why sometimes I can narrow in and be dead accurate and other times stone cold because you also have to add in individual differences.

re: players that are wildly inconsistent....i think my first thought, or reaction... is to think 'town'. but that's in general. for most cases, i see.... like i said to you... as scum always trying to be consistent. ie ---- not even backing out of their reads, when it's apparent, that they have no bearing. they still cling on to them, for "consistency"
i totally agree that town, do not give 'a rat's ass' about how they look.
(which in relation to this game, i kept on stating that i was sheeping JKLM) i do not see anything wrong with this. also, i will not try to make excuses for it.
i do know what you mean, in regard to adjusting to personality types. those who want explanations, more so than others. for me... i find it easier to read players who are not like that. but go on emotional cue, instead. as for myer briggs, i end up being in the intuitive section..

(speaking of emotional cues, that's part of the reason i have honig as town)

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If your going to use use the myer briggs personality type thing I'm INFP.

me too!

I am still pissed but I may of over reacted. I have had a pretty shit day with my gf breaking up with me and shit. So I'm going to take a break and calm down a bit.

do this. it's just a silly game. hope you feel better

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UNVOTE: garmr
VOTE: mneumonic

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That name being?

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unvote

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Honestly I was just skimming cause I was in a game of LoL loading screen and saw 'hammertime' and your vote and assumed you were asking for someone else to hammer. And I do think that would have been rather premature.

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Wait yea that is a little weird. Why did Hermy switch wagons?

I switched wagons because, at this point, BA is certainly more scummy to me. His previous action of unvoting, and not putting his vote back when things were explained looks like mafia feebly trying to defend a scumpartner. Therefore I changed wagons. I'd still be happy with an MD lynch, but BA is definitely scummier to me.

(If it would help or be convenient in any way, then I will change my vote back. Just tell me to do so.)

'When things were explained' Why would I put my vote back? Things actually were as I thought them to be, they just weren't as killerjester was trying to make them appear to be. The ruse he was trying to setup was clearly not going to happen at that point.

I can put it back now though.

Vote Mnemonic

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Never mind, sorry, last time I take the word of anyone else of what the vote is, I was too lazy

Alright

Then let's get a functioning wagon on BA te hardcore scum

I'm glad you decided vote MD once you got called out as for why you did it. Good job in further making
Yourself scum.

I unvoted because I wasn't comfortable with him being at l-1, my vote no longer puts him at l-1. You can spin whatever other narrative around it that you want, but its a work of fiction.

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I'm glad you decided vote MD once you got called out as for why you did it. Good job in further making
Yourself scum.

I mean is this something you actually ever expect to see scum do? The thought process 'Oh no, I got caught doing X, therefore I'll undo X and no one will suspect me anymore!' isn't one any living breathing human would ever have.

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How much off site experience do you have exactly?

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Mnemonic needs to nameclaim, right after he explains his reasoning for not name claiming initially.

How dare I want to keep him at L-2 to ensure that he actually has the chance to answer these very questions (that I basically already asked him).

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Using PM formatting to catch scum makes me feel very uncomfortable, especially when no sample PM was apparently given, at least publicly (I hadn't bothered to look before this moment).

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ok, I have a fiar bit to catch up on. Have glanced over a few pages.
And to whoever said "policy lynch Peace terribel idea" my answer is: no it is not. More I play this game, more I'm realising how important a good scum hunting environment is. Those players who may well be - IRL- a good laugh, are often just a massive distrsaction and source of confusion for town. So many games go by where you end up with Mutley, Irish Pope and th elike at end game, and you have literlally NOTHING to go off becaus ethey have been pissing around all game.
Likewise, scum adapt to environment "hey, people dont mind Peace being unhelpful, I'll hide behind that playstyle".
So yeah, I'm still up for lynching Peace.
Although if we can get a Skelda or Hermy wagon going, then happy to lynch them too.

ya but, what happens when you have a town read on peace, through his methods?

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also skelda - no. hermy- yes.

sorry chamber, i should probably chat with you before stating this.

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Mozamis, I agree with Skelda.

I reckon you're aiming for an easy lynch here. I notice how none of your lynvh pool have been around much. Therefore they're slipping under the radar, blah blah blah, and so on, and so forth. All of us have lives away from the internet and have stuff to do. I see no real reason for any of the lynches. We've been as helpful as time has allowed us to.
/rant

if you really reckon that he's going for an easy lynch, where is your vote on him?

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Mozamis, I agree with Skelda.

I reckon you're aiming for an easy lynch here. I notice how none of your lynvh pool have been around much. Therefore they're slipping under the radar, blah blah blah, and so on, and so forth. All of us have lives away from the internet and have stuff to do. I see no real reason for any of the lynches. We've been as helpful as time has allowed us to.
/rant

To an extent, what you say is true. There is always AT LEAST one scummer who tries to lurk through, so I'm trying to be vigilant on the lurker front.
But I am NOT just randomly picking on people who havent posted much - Peace, until recently hasnt posted much, and yet was still a strong town read of mine - policy lynch aside.
Its not just quantity of posting, it's content. In fact, Hermy has posted a reasonable amount, but its all been vague as hell. Both Skelda and Hermy have hardly said ANYTHING of subtance.

this is a weird response.
i would be more reactive, if i were responding to this.
don't want to get paranoid.. but this seems like scum chat.
hermy accuses moz of going for an easy lynch? and moz responds that, what you say is true? (to an extent)
moz - why didn't you get your back up?

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in fact moz, you haven;t said a thing about Hermy.

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Wait yea that is a little weird. Why did Hermy switch wagons?

I switched wagons because, at this point, BA is certainly more scummy to me. His previous action of unvoting, and not putting his vote back when things were explained looks like mafia feebly trying to defend a scumpartner. Therefore I changed wagons. I'd still be happy with an MD lynch, but BA is definitely scummier to me.

(If it would help or be convenient in any way, then I will change my vote back. Just tell me to do so.)

oh man.
this is so bad.
VOTE: hermy

..this is despite your little fos on moz, right?

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thinking hermy & moz... at this moment.

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Nah he just says intersting all the time, it's his thing

are you sure about that?

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How on earth is saying interesting a scumtell? I agree, I want MD to nameclaim and he deserves votes until he does, but is saying interesting really a great case against him? Does that seem like something scum would be more likely to say?

when he says it without really meaning anything... it's weird.
remember here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5346524 (unvote for no reason)... what is interesting?
and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5344378

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Has anyone looked at MD past scum games to see if he actually used Interesting in them ............ guess that's going to fall on me

i remember linking to one game i played with him (he was town) and didn't use it.
this IS kinda funny in a sense... analyzing his word choices so closely. :p
(but still)

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This game is getting

interesting.

.. I don't understand the whole reason why I was supposed to name claim initially but:
Alright, I am a Rumblebuffin giant.
Not sure who he is, haven't seen Narnia in quite a while.

Also, I like to say interesting. If you knew me in real life, I would say interesting a lot.

S

lol. now you are mocking, mneumonic
yet still trying to push it off as if it's nothing!

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Idk if it's big enough to convict him but he could have just picked one off he most obscure characters in the book to fakeclaim

ya but there's other stuff to 'convict' him

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moz - why didn't you get your back up?

Beacuse some of what she said was true. I'm sorry, by your logic, should town always rant and rave when under attack?
It's called trying to have a rational debate with someone.

don't be silly. it's not that i think you have to rant or rave.
just saying that here: you state hermy as a willing to lynch candidate:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5368106

and then before that,
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5357383


so... it looks like you have a fair amount of suspicion on Hermy
yet here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5368849

when she states that you are going for easy lynches, you just kinda give in?
when in the meantime, you are supposed to be suspicious of her?

so ya, it looks weird.

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and on top of that, you still don't have a vote on her this game. but instead, have several times tried to 'policy' lynch peace
and skelda... who, in answer to your question, is town, just because

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Screw it, I'm hydra-slipping so this shows up in my posts, as I keep forgetting about it.

Not seeing the MD case, but I also don't like his claiming Named townie without citing a character. It looks like scum who doesn't know which fake claim to use.

--PA

penguin, isn't this a little weird, that you say you're not seeing the case, but at the same time, say it looks like scum fooling around with a fake claim?

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JKLM and Hermy?
(jklm seems to have lost his town steam)
(will make a case later)

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guys, i'm going to hammer..

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VOTE: mneumonicdevice

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Do u think he will flip town?

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i (we) sheeped you, for like a page JKLM - get over it !
(unless you're scum of course, which then nice try)

i'm still unsure about you having a scum read and voting garmr, and then several posts later, you're voting along with him, for the sheeping case.

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VOTE: hermy

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hmnm will do some ISO research and check the VCs, see if I can get a better handle on this game.

UNVOTE: hermy
VOTE: rach marie

>>BA, youre not allowed to QUOTE. I ll pass this but next time be careful. your posts can't be more than just vote. <<

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UNVOTE: rachmarie
VOTE: garmr

UNVOTE: garmr
VOTE: rachmarie

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VOTE: garmr
UNVOTE: garmr

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VOTE: kj
UNVOTE: kj

VOTE: garmr
UNVOTE: garmr

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VOTE: rach marie

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VOTE: kj
UNVOTE: kj

VOTE: mozamis
UNVOTE: mozamis


VOTE: rach marie

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Vote Hermy

Forgive me for quoting/talking this once. Made a post from the wrong account.

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Vote hermy