Mini 1521: The Fall - Game Over

[Hopkirk]

You're still giving the top scum then it's pretty easy to determine their other reads. But anyway i don't want a 4 page argument on list reads again and that's pretty much what this would become.

[RadiantCowbells]

Day 2: Votecount #2

JKLM: 3 - Hopkirk, Slandaar, SonOfZeus
PeregrineV: 2 - JFSF, Iamausername
Yiley: 1 - The_Duck
JFSF: 1 - Slandaar
iamausername: 1 - emogirl123

Not Voting: PeregrineV, Yiley


With

10

alive it's

6

to lynch.


Night falls in (expired on 2013-12-24 12:00:00)

Prods sent out.

[Yiley]

Jake you argue too much.

[SonOfZeus]

Mod I'm voting JKLM

[JKLM]

I'm too tireeerrrrddddd to make an effort right now cause I want to sleeeeeeeeeeeeep

Although I'll admit you guys have very real reason to vote me. I will élan tomorrow on wether any of the people on my wagon are scum.

Although I'll admit I probably owe the most to hopkirk first so I'll go through what he needs first

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake you argue too much.

Yes, yes I do

But isn't that part of the game? I always thought so

[Yiley]

Arguing is but not when your arguments make up a significant portion of the game.

[Slandaar]

Everyone list the 3 people they think are scum; I will start

Jake/JKLM/Iam

Jake goes next; then Iam/JKLM/Yiley then everyone else.

[emogirl123]

username: for aforementioned (yet kind of abstract) reasons
yiley: for being terribad and therefore scum
zeus: for being lurkscum (who no one is targetting). meaning that scum is throwing oil in the fire towards JKLM/falconV for an easy mislynch

hi guys

[Jake from State Farm]

Umm slandaar. Way to half answer my question and turn it into your idea.

I asked for your top 3 and why. So until I get a why on all 3, I ain't answering jack

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd actually like to know who slandaar's other scum reads are and why.

Obviously i'm number 1 but who else.

See? Now get to answering

[Slandaar]

The why doesn't matter because you will just argue it as evidenced by this entire game.

Don't stall too long Jake.

[Jake from State Farm]

I guess we are at another standoff.

[The-Duck]

I'm sorry for my absence the last few days, I'm quite busy atm, will be posting tomorrow (I hope)

[Yiley]

So emo what you are saying is anyone who is bad at mafia I.e. Me, is automatically scum?

[emogirl123]

nope, i'm saying that you take everything too literally. (reference to grey)

[emogirl123]

why hasn't anyone called out my buddying with Slandaar yet? what game are you guys playing

[Yiley]

Ok why are you buddying slandaar. I think they are all too afraid of you.

[Jake from State Farm]

I hadn't even noticed but if you have been I probably know why

[PeregrineV]

Not super in the mafia mood tonight, but I have been away too much.

[PeregrineV]

Will start with the greygnarl wagon

thegreygnarl: 7 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, iamausername, JKLM, Slandaar, emogirl123, don_johnson

126 has so much made-up shit in it that I'm laughing pretty hard.

VOTE: Duck

This guy is grilling whoever he thinks is under the most pressure.

I'm still leaning scum on emogirl, and this is a beautiful example of a chainsaw defense, which strenghtens my read.
I have not been pressuring the person under most pressure at all. I have been asking questions to Emo while Hopskirk was under most pressure.
So unless you can clearly explain to me what exactly is made up in my posts, I believe I have found scum here.

@Grey it was confident enough for you to post, and yet when asked about them you gave no reasoning, said absolutely nothing about it. In fact, you completely dodged Yiley's question. I fail to see the pressure you've put on anyone.

I'm voting Duck and he responded to my points and then I responded to his and now he's talked more and I can develop more of a read on him. That's what my pressure is designed to do at this point.

I thought votes =/= pressure?
I still strongly believe your case against me is baseless, you argue against points I didn't make and you misrepresent reality.
Also I don't think it's likely that a townie would defend another townie that hard, so that adds to my scumread.
My only problem is, I know I'm town, and therefore am more likely to see things as obviously wrong when they concern my motives/actions.
So I'd love it to get some more people to give their thoughts on this situation.

On the Alduskkel case by Emo, I read some ISO's from ald in other games. from what i gathered, as town he's forcing people to take stances on people quite aggressively, but as scum he just defends himself. I've yet to see him force someone to take a stance on anything.
Plus I like Emo's presumption about scum trying to maintain neutrality, and the evidence she presented of Ald doing just that.

I'm fine with a lynch of either one of Grey or Ald
UNVOTE: Emogirl123
VOTE: GreyGnarl

First up is duck. His vote comes because he feels greygnarl was chainsaw defending scum-emogirl, and found grey more scummy than Ald.

I'm not voting you because Grey is quite a lot worse, not because I think you are town

This seems like a one-degree of separation thing. Associative tells on unflipped players are very subjective. What makes this even a little more wonky is the move of Emo from a scumread to a townread, which would seem to mean that grey was not chainsaw defending his emo-scumbuddy.

[PeregrineV]

thegreygnarl: 7 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, iamausername, JKLM, Slandaar, emogirl123, don_johnson

Next is Son of Zues.

Apologies for taking so long to post content. Anyway, I at first didn't like theducks post at all. It seemed like all of his "reasonings" for voting were unjustified,

VOTE: Alduskkel

Because he feels the need to express that his reasons to consider voting people are silly.
That post to me seemed horridly forced. However, after a couple pages, his thought process seemed a lot more natural, and struck me as a lot more genuine than his prior pushes. I'm kind of confused as to why emogirl is being voted this much, because at the moment shes my only townread. Also, anyone notice that thegrey is pretty sure that Yiley is teamed with Hopirk, ignores both and then votes theduck? VOTE: Thegrey

SonZues' vote seems predicated on the fact that Grey was calling Yiley & Hopkirk scum, but voting the Theduck.

@Grey, I've been busy, hense my lack of posts. The first few pages I read of his I scumread, but I've accepted his analysis as of later pages. I hadn't posted until I read to page 8, bar my random vote, which I admittedly didn't read the game at that point. You however are completely all over the place. I really don't see a reason for you to have team reads at this point in general, but to vote outside your team reads doesn't make sense to me.

Reinforced here.

I guess SonZues was pointing out that Grey was seeming opportunistic with his vote, although he's not using that word.

Will have to check the timing, but if TheDuck was scumreading a townread of SonZues, why are they agreeing on a vote of Grey?

[PeregrineV]

thegreygnarl: 7 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, iamausername, JKLM, Slandaar, emogirl123, don_johnson

iamusername is next.

greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.

well, i'm convinced

UNVOTE: Alduskkel
VOTE: greygnarl

He votes here because Ald spams that grey is scum.

He later adds on to this with this post

@iamausername: What are you actually thinking here?

my thought process is that nobody who was trying to lynch greygnarl (besides you) seemed like scum, so maybe they had a point, and so i took another look at greygnarl and realised that he is probably scum.

highlights being this lovely pair of posts:

If I was confident this early in my reads, and had two people as a team, I would want to lynch one and see what they flip.

What gave you the idea that I was confident in my reads?

VOTE: Yiley

What are you so confident about? I haven't seen you make a case for anyone this entire game, just getting mad because I called you scum. What is your case on Ald?

and the one where he suggests that JKLM is bussing him (???).

My biggest concern is the fact that iamusername followed the request of his scumread Alduskkel.

The Fall: Votecount #5
Alduskkel: 4 - Yiley, emogirl123, iamausername, greygnarl
thegreygnarl: 4 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, Alduskkel, JKLM
JKLM: 2 - Hopkirk
Slandaar: 1 - JFSF
JFSF: 1 - Slandaar
Not Voting: BolteAltamont, PeregrineV

The Fall: Votecount #6
thegreygnarl: 4 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, Alduskkel, JKLM
Alduskkel: 3 - Yiley, emogirl123, iamausername
Slandaar: 2 - JFSF, greygnarl
JFSF: 1 - Slandaar
JKLM: 1 - Hopkirk
Not Voting: BolteAltamont, PeregrineV

I'm not really getting how 854 comes across as scummy, or how it is the reason for voting Grey.

[PeregrineV]

thegreygnarl: 7 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, iamausername, JKLM, Slandaar, emogirl123, don_johnson

Next is JKLM

Initial vote is due to Grey's ISO, and apparently Grey's vote for Ald.

Thanks grey for the vote count, now I can get things off the ground...

Oh look I found scum!
557

VOTE: Grey

Please drop the garbage and vote him. Ald is town. Grey isn't. Just read his ISO, it wreaks.

This moves, but JKLM later comes back to Grey.

actually no fuck it

VOTE: ald

Same.
VOTE: grey
Let's deal with sladaar tomorrow since everybody would rater lynch you first.

This is another instance of moving from Ald to Grey, even though is looks like Ald was voting Grey first.

562
569
581

Another issue I have is the

671

revote when there were only three people voting Grey at the time, one of which was Ald.

[PeregrineV]

thegreygnarl: 7 - The-Duck, SonOfZeus, iamausername, JKLM, Slandaar, emogirl123, don_johnson

Next is Slandaar.


Vote for Grey after claim. Considering claim, doesn't seem to be related.

Even night tracker.
Odd night PR can confirm me and there will be one.
VOTE: Grey
The funny thing is Jake after all the walls about read lists being terrible has in fact posted his reads. If I have to lynch through the idiots to get scum lynched then that is what we will do.

Well Grey just did the 'Not enough time to switch wagons' 'you are buying time so there isn't enough time to switch wagons'
Hes a good lynch.

but then i REALIZED THERE WASN'T REALLY TIME FOR A WAGON ON HIM AND YOU WERE KIND OF SCUMMY. CAPSD LOCK NO TIME TO RETYPE

Slandaar cut the shit. You're gonna wait until there's not enough time for us to wagon you.

Just hang this. Its so contradictory first there isn't enough time then I am buying time so there isn't enough time.

Reason seems to move from "idiot" to "contradictory".

The post-vote reinforcement rubs me wrong, seems a little like bias once the vote was on grey.

Seems convinced Jake is/was scum, but had the most interaction with Jake of all players.