NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Deadline is getting close and wagons are going everywhere =/

[Sakura Hana]

we should just settle on SAD and be done with it.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Muffin

[Sakura Hana]

Any summary from this day? Also i got internet back now.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Titus

For now, i highly highly doubt SAD was busing muffin and Titus didnt even want to hop in there.

[Sakura Hana]

Titus needs to die, yes

[Sakura Hana]

No idea who to lynch atm, i was pretty sure Titus was scum =/

[Sakura Hana]

Norl: So i'm going to abuse your townread on me and tell you to tell me who should I vote and why, and also why shouldn't I vote you instead.

[Sakura Hana]

prod dodge (or something)

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura: you had a scumread on bert right? can you talk to me about this?

I made a case on him somewhere around Day 3 or so (before he replaced out).

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: SAD

^ Even Better Voting

[Sakura Hana]

This game sure is moving fast...

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Norlkaz

Ok...

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura

Is there any reason why you haven't claimed yet? If you have, then please point where.

No reason other than to make scum paranoid.

[Sakura Hana]

yeah Sakura's scumgame is all about balls

Maybe it's all about melons, nevertheless this made me laugh.

So your theory is that Casso has bussed his whole team?

[Sakura Hana]

Not buying it, Casso has played in a pro-town way tbh, and I think you're probably getting intimidated by Thor's posts and sarcasm. Even if Generic's JK was unplanned i don't think Casso would continue to bus the whole team specially with how heavily suspected he is already it's pretty suicide.

[Sakura Hana]

Well that is L-1

[Sakura Hana]

oh i miscounted, both are on L-2

[Sakura Hana]

Oh well considering we got 13 hours and my vote is being useless, i'll just move it somewhere more useful

Unvote
Vote: SAD

[Sakura Hana]

I refuse to believe it's Casso ;_;
Proph+BBQ look more likely to me, with pieguy if one of those fail.
Anyway im more likely to look at Norl's reads atm so I will do that.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: BBQ

Here's some gut feeling I had from Varsoon flipping town back from D1, hope this is right, it was the one Norl was voting before switching to SAD yesterday.

[Sakura Hana]

If ppl somehow doesn't have me in the townpile, I'll gladly get myself lynched today.
I can't garner enough of my time to give this game a good reread/reassess and probably will be a vote lender for the rest of the game anyway (just like I have been for last few weeks)

Why the heck does AtE get me EVERY... SINGLE... TIME...

Unvote
Vote: Proph

My case on Bert isnt just a pretty thing in my ISO...

P-Ed: Wait what?

Unvote

Ugh i don't even know anymore =/

[Sakura Hana]

I think this game will be solved if casso -> proph gets lynched in order after me

Apparently someone mentioned D1 that you were pretty good at reading Varsoon, yet you thought he was scum when he was not, that's the gut feeling I had from D1 on you, however this doesn't help you in terms of credibility specially with how big my townread on Casso is, would you explain why? and if it's not Casso who else is it?

[Sakura Hana]

We got flipped Encryptor, Goon and JOAT, there aren't any double kills, and the town side doesn't seem much OP unless you count my role as OP. We had a vig and a gunsmith and no flipped mafia doctor, yet SSK claimed doctor, which means he was trying to fish for a CC, no CC meant no Town doctor imo, so they started taking out the strongest town players, i think we should probably sheep the paragon's reads, and probably look back at what all the NK'd people have in common in terms of reads.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, and forgot to mention based on flips only i think we're looking at 5 scum and not 4.

[Sakura Hana]

unless you consider JOAT+Goon+Encryptor+Unknown too OP for Vig+Gunsmith+JK+Unknown+Masons+Bunch of VTs.

[Sakura Hana]

errr i mean "Balanced enough"

[Sakura Hana]

I would look at generic's interaction analysis if i didnt know first hand that generic's interaction analysis is shit to analyse. If both Proph and Norlk are town, then pray tell why scum killed Norlk instead of Proph? reads? pressure? wtf kill?

[Sakura Hana]

Actually... I guess the answer's just plain obvious and i just don't want to admit it =/

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm I wanna test something
gm and sakura can you vote casso for a bit?

He was the one i was going to vote after looking at pie's evidence... pie managed to completely obliterate my townread on the slot, however why do you want to use it to "test" something that's giving me bad vibes.

[Sakura Hana]

why instead dont you vote him instead of voting yourself?

[Sakura Hana]

I still don't see how ppl are not townreading me at this point.

Because you aren't being obvtown, if saulres bastard game hadn't happened this would be a scum tell since you said the same thing in Tales of Abyss. Then you said this because of our role in saulres picky bastard reviving Jake (which is funny that made XScorp scumread us more), however in saulres we thought our role would prove our towniness, here you haven't done any role related activity to prove that, so why expect people to townread you? have I missed anything?

[Sakura Hana]

It was actually me analyzing the night kill and proph interaction reads.

[Sakura Hana]

Greetings,

Head switch due to Nacho going to Canada for some reason.
We've been having a lot of communication breakdown because QT doesn't work for me in my current internet setup - I have no idea why.

I also haven't really been following the last few day...phases.
Sorry for that.

So, what's up?

Llamarble died, and he was pretty much pointing to you and BBQ being scum, gm still wants you dead and mara still loves you, and i'm having issues with your alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

Intent to hammer!

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait he's at L-2 nvm

Vote: BBQ

[Sakura Hana]

I find it funny how every single player keeps proposing "Lynch in this order to win".

[Sakura Hana]

If Sakura's scum, she completely and truly has graduated and deserves the win.
I don't think there's a very great chance she's scum, and I don't see what pie's seeing in a possibility there.

Odd of you to say this after I completely obliterated you in that newbie game, I'd think you'd be more wary about me after that.

[Sakura Hana]

Well that's true, but i find it odd that you aren't getting any bit paranoid about me because of that game, you could also be buddying to me you know.

[Sakura Hana]

I also don't think I've bothered to buddy you at all.

I'm pretty sure Thor is suspecting me and Nacho is buddying me.

[Sakura Hana]

If i didnt think BBQ was worse than Proph i wouldn't be voting him.

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura:

@Sakura:

do you still think Casso is scum and if so do you think Casso is bussing BBQ? and if so what happened to you saying casso wouldn't bus his entire scumteam?

and what do you think of how Nacho is saying I should be able to read you "better than anyone else" while trying to discount my GIF read?

No, I actually think you and BBQ are scum, because apparently you forgot about your "Amazing Tell" that you found for me as well.

[Sakura Hana]

I never seem to find anything I want to post everytime i open this game, I'm pretty confident at the rate we're going that scum's going to self-destruct anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

I have no idea. I have townreads on all of {Sakura, BBQ, Proph} and then there's Casso. so either there's 4 scum or one of my townreads is wrong and I have no time or energy to figure out which one it is. gun to the head, yes on both and Proph for potential Casso partner

My take on this is that now you think that i'm not a possible Casso partner on whom you got your read wrong but Proph instead, then why are you questioning GM, A mason on her read on me when you've apparently already sorted me out?

[Sakura Hana]

Hana still not claiming is anti-town. I think that this game becomes solvable once she claims and/or we get her flip. I also don't remember her interacting to my earlier vote on her and her vote on us for shit all reason makes me think this is scum.

See this is the part where scum is scared of what kind of role I have and wants me lynched.

[Sakura Hana]

I think your claim would go along ways in solving this game. I don't think your refusal to claim is in the best interest of the town.

Really? I disagree!

[Sakura Hana]

Are we 1v1ing?

Considering we are voting each other I guess so.

[Sakura Hana]

You are tainting VCA with your own vote, also this is the kind of stuff I used to pull both as town and scum in the past so... your AtF isn't working.

[Sakura Hana]

My vote against you isn't without reason, but there's a reason Llamarble the Paragon died, and I want to find it.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: BBQ

Here's some gut feeling I had from Varsoon flipping town back from D1, hope this is right,

it was the one Norl was voting before switching to SAD yesterday.

I did.

[Sakura Hana]

Hana still not claiming is anti-town. I think that this game becomes solvable once she claims and/or we get her flip. I also don't remember her interacting to my earlier vote on her and her vote on us for shit all reason makes me think this is scum.

See this is the part where scum is scared of what kind of role I have and wants me lynched.

If scum is scurred of your role then why not... nightkill you instead of wasting effort? We all know that I'm not the type who would waste an effort and would prefer an easy way out.

Because they dont know if my role will retaliate to a night kill.

You are tainting VCA with your own vote, also this is the kind of stuff I used to pull both as town and scum in the past so... your AtF isn't working.

What is there to fear? Fypov we're selfvoting.
Actually, why are you even feeling the fear?

Nothing, that's why it's not working.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh hey sakura
did you know that claiming something that can retaliate the nightkill right now is a scumclaim?

I haven't claimed anything, and stop rolefishing.

[Sakura Hana]

Really, because apparently you're claiming i am mafia something. instead of Town something.

[Sakura Hana]

Then you haven't played enough with me. But i do remember this is the same kind of stuff you pull when you're scum so... yeah.

[Sakura Hana]

You did in Tales of Abyss, for starters.

[Sakura Hana]

Whether it was trolling there or not is irrelevant, you're doing the exact same stuff here as "Oh hey i should be like obvtown, why are people scumreading me!"

[Sakura Hana]

You're not obvtown, far from it, and the fact that you're pulling this when people are suspecting you is pinging all my radars, Llamarble was probably right about you and that's why he's dead now.

[Sakura Hana]

Because unlike you, he wasn't willing to lynch me either.

[Sakura Hana]

Also come to think of it, both proph and sakura was pushing me for "lol sheep norlkaz lynch bbq"

So?

[Sakura Hana]

P-Edit: a pattern.

And?

[Sakura Hana]

Yet you rather lynch yourself or proph apparently.

[Sakura Hana]

No I dont wanna lynch myself anymore. I selfvoted earlier to garner reaction and to talk to thor/prop since I knew thor would start chewing on me if I did that.

Yeah you totally did know that.

[Sakura Hana]

So let's assume you're town, you get yourself lynched and tell the town to lynch me tomorrow and i... FLIP TOWN AS WELL! what did you achieve with that?

[Sakura Hana]

I have no idea. I have townreads on all of {Sakura, BBQ, Proph} and then there's Casso. so either there's 4 scum or one of my townreads is wrong and I have no time or energy to figure out which one it is. gun to the head, yes on both and Proph for potential Casso partner

Here's your post again, you state that

1) You have townreads on Me, BBQ, Proph.
2) If one of your reads is wrong it's Proph
3) Proph is a potential Casso partner.

Ergo, you don't see me as a Casso potential partner unless you've lynched Casso and Proph and Proph flips town... which by then god help us all.

[Sakura Hana]

Another question tho, gun to your head, Casso flips town where do you go next.

[Sakura Hana]

Assume a scum team of Casso + Proph who's making the kills

[Sakura Hana]

That's not what I asked tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Assume a scum team of Casso + Proph who's making the kills

[Sakura Hana]

Because that's where you're going at?

[Sakura Hana]

I don't know if you're being obtuse on purpose or you really don't get it...
You're assuming Casso + Proph (and proph only IF there's a 2nd scum alive)
Who out of Casso and Proph delivered the kill on Norlkaz, not who wanted him dead.
I mean it can't be more obvious than that on what i'm asking now =/

[Sakura Hana]

Well that doesn't really help me any =/

[Sakura Hana]

however you reminded me tho, SSK fake claimed Doc without fear of a CC, there's most likely a scum doc still alive to counter the vig, I forgot about that.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh dear, it seems the hammer is on me.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey pieguy, both of your scumreads are at L-1 what does that tell you.

[Sakura Hana]

you mean vote BBQ like i'm already doing? or did I miss something.

[Sakura Hana]

but I am confident that i am willing to call whatever your case on this slot is to be dumb. I'm good like that. Also, I'll admit honest curiosity as regards the Proph case - does it hold water in your head?

Only case I have on you would be a town case, why would that be dumb =/

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, if you're following up this game i've been defending your slot with my own life for like the whole game.

[Sakura Hana]

Eh that's a good point, but then pie/proph doesnt make sense...

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Proph

Forgot that there could be only 1 scum remaining...

[Sakura Hana]

because pie was pretty content voting proph tomorrow if you flipped town today.

[Sakura Hana]

is that Nacho?

PEd: I guess that answers my question.

[Sakura Hana]

Thing is tho, pie usually thinks situations like this are coutnerwagons to scum, considering he had Proph as his backup scumread I kinda wanted to see what he had to say about this situation.

[Sakura Hana]

Also GiF is really making me paranoid and I just realize that i always scumread nero and I can't remember anything but scumgames with GiF =/ (And no that one game i modded on osu! where you were town tracker doesn't count because interaction and knowing your alignment is different)

[Sakura Hana]

How long ago where those 2 again?... meh, I have a feeling that if someone's screwing up this town win is me.

[Sakura Hana]

What makes you think today isn't LyLo?

[Sakura Hana]

The MM kill p.much points to today being LyLo since scum doesn't want 2 conftown on LyLo otherwise it'll be harder to pull town on town vote, and your vote reeks btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Well if you're town you're screwed, I'm survivor.

[Sakura Hana]

Well there goes my gambit at trying to make scum reveal themselves.....

[Sakura Hana]

Well since the reason I wasn't claiming is completely screwed over, there's no more reason to not out it, i'm just VT as you predicted.

[Sakura Hana]

You see if there's 2 scum, killing me or whoever the other town non mason is would mean
2 Conf towns.
1 Town.
2 Mafia
Which means that the townie would know exactly who the scum were. and scum would have a harder time trying to get him/her lynched since knowing who the scum is makes it easier to make a case on them.

While killing a mason gives.
1 Conf Town.
2 Townies.
2 Mafia.

Which makes it 66% chance of hitting scum if you're town with your vote, that extra 33% chance is what scum wants to be able to increase their odds of winning.

This is why I think it's 2 scum and today is LyLo.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually I think if theres two scums left and sakura is town, she wouldve died over the masons.

Considering how you tried to rolefish me so hard yesterday and then said that you knew me enough to know i was VT, i highly doubt it.

[Sakura Hana]

Whatever happened to this?

Ergo, it is only natural that I have Proph -> Sakura -> Casso in order.

[Sakura Hana]

If you act town enough, I may take a leap of faith and ask myself to be lynched first

Why would you do this in a HIGHLY LIKELY LyLo? This isn't a town line of thought.

[Sakura Hana]

it's not a scum line of thoughts either.
This is GIF being ridiculously crazy and daring.

It is a scum line of AtE, the fact that you dont care if you die today or not means that you're probably not town, who the hell would think about sacrificing themselves in LyLo? (inb4 Hermy)

[Sakura Hana]

Because i'm as green as the grass, If you're willing to die for that thought then you better put your actions where your words are

Vote: BBQ

[Sakura Hana]

Not unless is not a mislynch.

[Sakura Hana]

You played with him more than I did so you should know that.

And this is the exact same thing that Casso says about pie wrt to him reading me, try again.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Pie

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Pie

Why did you unvote me there?

I saw town motivation in your latests posts trying to figure out the game, since i think Casso's town pie's scum.

[Sakura Hana]

You don't tell me what to do.

[Sakura Hana]

but Nacho wanted to stop the lynch on the vig that GiF started.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Casso

[Sakura Hana]

For now yes.

[Sakura Hana]

pieguy convinced me with the point that Casso was towning it up everytime we thought he was scum, which is an awkward point when I'm reading Thor since Thor usually comes obvtown to me all the time.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, anyone knows what that mass replace out was for?

[Sakura Hana]

I still want to know wth happened here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5615266

[Sakura Hana]

I figured it was something like that since it's unlike you to replace out unless something like that happens, i didnt know exactly what tho.

[Sakura Hana]

I just wanted to get sakura off my back because it was getting annoying.

It wasn't that what made me unvote you, I had a townread on you the last day, I was trying to catch scum QHing then I figured it was just 1 scum left and after pie towned it up, i could PoE Casso.

[Sakura Hana]

They might have wanted to vote Nacho every game day in marketplace, but did they? I mean they voted him, sure, but then didn't vote him, so not sure on you're point.

I wanted him lynched with fire since like D3, but i wasn't invested in the game enough with all the text to read and Nati made most of the decissions (I even stopped posting outside of the hydra QT)

[Sakura Hana]

The thing with me this game is that Nacho driving a lynch on me and then stopping it was like a big hell of a towntell for me.
Also in Marketplace, Nati and I weren't going all out on Night Kills every single night for no reason, there was never support on a Garuda lynch so we wanted to kill him with a night kill =/

[Sakura Hana]

I know what Nacho-scum is capable of now obviously.

[Sakura Hana]

holy god, is every scum QT with Nacho and Muffin in it over 600 posts long?

[Sakura Hana]

that works, i'll read it when i have time tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Jesus that scum QT

And you haven't seen the one in Marketplace.

[Sakura Hana]

It took long enough just to read the stuff from when I was in the game. I don't think I want to see market QT lol

2000+ posts

[Sakura Hana]

Towards the end I think Nacho only twisted my arm to get me to come in and "town it up"

That's what I figured was the case.