Micro 322 - Managerial Merry Go Round Mafia

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/confirm


and a vote for tiershift to kick tinngs off

vote : TierShift

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Yo tier, second scum claim in one page. On a scale of one to eleven, how sure are you of your scumread on yourself?

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Pretty high...

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VOTE: hannah

Getting mafia is fun

Hannah is having fun

Is hannah one of the players you have a meta on?

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I need to find Jose Mourinho. I was told they're town.

About that. We're not doing flavor claims just yet.

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Sure, but I suggest mourinho stays anonymous until we get a better grip on you and your alignment.

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Original Roll String: 1d11 (STATIC)

1 11-Sided Dice: (10) = 10

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I messed up my diceroll?

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Lol.

Did you forget this was a slight bastard mod game?

I could name a few ways that wouldn't benefit town.

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@hopkirk, just checking how he would go about reading hannah, I know meta isn't magic.

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Sure, but I suggest mourinho stays anonymous until we get a better grip on you and your alignment.

Depending on mourinho is a bad idea when mafia has fake claims.

At this point mourinho is prety much confirmed town imo. It's just that I want to know more about snork before letting mourinho claim.

I don't really get why you think "I need to find Jose Mourinho" means the same thing as "HEY ERRBDY LETS ALL CLAIM"... Like, I get that there's not much to go after in RVS, but making that kind of leap is wild.

I never said or implied that you asked for a mass claim, I said we're going to hold off on flavor claiming (which is what mourinho would have been doing). I'm not going to have somebody outed just because you said "trust me". Of course mourinho is prefectly capable of staying silent without me or anyone else telling him what to do, but then we have people like Aronis saying they're not mourinho which kind of defeats the point of not flavor claiming.

I liked Tier and Aronis' response to my statement. I felt it came from comfortable town rather than opportunistic scum. Eek's response, on the other hand, didn't really give me good feels. It felt like he was trying to seem town by forcefully objecting to Jose Mourinho claiming. In actuality, it came off really fake.

Call me scum or don't call me scum, but don't do it in this half assed way where it's somewhat implied you do, but then it's worded in such a way that you can easily dismiss it when questioned upon later.

Sthar's entrance was just lame, and I didn't like that he had time to make a post AND a response, but couldn't be arsed to plop a vote or poke at anyone. Seemed kind of cautious, and like he wanted to avoid RVS, and the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've been

talking about people claiming

and then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.

What's the point of this? Throwing out mud and seeing what sticks? If anything, the unsollicited "I NEED TO CLAIM" is actually in his favor. If you agree, I don't understand why you'd bring this up and if you don't agree, then I reiterate my previous point: call a cat a cat and don't beat around the bushes.

And before you say it: yes there is a difference between your "I need mourinho to claim" and sthar's "I need to claim".

Sthar's entrance was just lame, and I didn't like that he had time to make a post AND a response, but couldn't be arsed to plop a vote or poke at anyone. Seemed kind of cautious, and like he wanted to avoid RVS, and the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've been talking about people claiming and then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.

This is good posting.

As said above, anything but good posting.

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Perhaps not answering the quote itself would help you with that bolding. It's also less confusing for others to read.

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*inside the quote itself

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What thoughts? I only saw a recap of what happened.

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hat's not entirely true it seems, I went back and saw you called it lame.

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Yeah eek is scum. I'm town and that push on my thoughts about sthar is so shitty.

So you think eek is scum because he said your thoughts were not town oriented?

I don't get it.

Not at all. Instead of asking me about it like others did, he makes a judgment without even interacting with me. That tells me he's just trying to get doubt planted rather than actually figure me out. You don't make conclusions first and then ask questions.

lol.

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A warning to kop: You can't say anything about snork without saying "hi" to him.

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Why do you feel the need to defend him? And what wagon? If you'd take even one second to look at the game you'd see that I'm not even voting him. You'd know when I'd be trying to set up a wagon.

I didn't ask him for explanations or reasons because I asked him to clarify what his stances were on me and sthar because his posts didn't have any indication of them (go back and read them). On the contrary, they were empty statements that were just mudslinging in the case of sthar.

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hopkirk, unvote zzzx and get back on tiershift.

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Let's not discuss set up this early.

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Since that is 100% true. Right now I have no proof you are town

I know you don't, but I do, and that's my point about Eek. Because

I know

my alignment, I know that he's pushing town, and I know he's doing it in an opportunistic way.

Dude,

I know I

am town and

you

're pushing town in a rather reactive way.

I hope you're seeing what kind of shit reason this is.

I didn't ask him for explanations or reasons because I asked him to clarify what his stances were on me and sthar ...

No you didn't? Show me where you asked me to clarify

before

you decided I was scum for my opinion.

Show me where I decided you were scum. I'm interested.

... because his posts didn't have any indication of them (go back and read them). On the contrary, they were empty statements that were just mudslinging in the case of sthar.

Um... "I don't like" usually means "I don't think this post is town". They were not empty statements or mudslinging. In fact, I explained exactly why I didn't like them.

You can call it mudslinging all you want, but I don't think you understand the meaning of that word, since that's what you're doing to me. You're making blanket statements about my posts and telling people to "go back and read them" without bothering to

actually ask me why I think X or what my thought process is in regards to it

.

You aren't scum hunting; you're just passing judgment. There's a difference between investigating by inquiry to formulate a conclusion and forming a conclusion in order to create an effect.

Look, your post on sthar is so empty. Not to mention filled with opinions on things that don't matter or are hypocritical. You didn't answer my (implied) question on that post of yours:
What do you think of him claiming to have to claim? Because that is the one thing of sthar's post you didn't give your opinion on.

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I don't understand what "wut" would mean. Is that a "wut"-scummy or "wut"-townish or a "wut"-idk? Hence me asking you to call a cat a cat.

Surely you have more to say about his "IN2C" than a simple "wut". Do you think it's made from a town pov or a scum one?

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Are you two not reading snork and my posts? Do not talk setup until later in the game.

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Wait. One question.

Snork, what's your experience with mafia? I see one completed micro and an ongoing large (and this game). Do you have additional experience?

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And yes, that questions matters a lot.

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*-s

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I don't understand what "wut" would mean. Is that a "wut"-scummy or "wut"-townish or a "wut"-idk? Hence me asking you to call a cat a cat.

Surely you have more to say about his "IN2C" than a simple "wut". Do you think it's made from a town pov or a scum one?

What situations would you use the word "What?" with that kind of inflection ("wut")? In situations where someone says something ridiculous and you don't understand why it was said or what it means.

I feel like you are picking on semantics, which is unnecessary and scummy. You get what the hell I'm saying, and if you don't then you need to ask, rather than playing word games and pretending like "call a cat a cat" is asking a question that any normal person would understand.

I didn't understand. I do now. I don't agree.

p-edit: I have enough experience. It doesn't matter, does it? My alignment is not dependent on my experience with mafia.

Not your alignment, no, but your reaction to a slight push might have been indicative of your alignment. And how you react depends on your experience with games like this and I thought the role madness might have made you paranoid. But that is apparantly not an issue.

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Let's not discuss set up this early.

Why not?

What reason do you want hopkirk to hop on tier's wagon?

I need to be able to read Tier. More votes on Tier help me in that regard.

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I don't understand what "wut" would mean. Is that a "wut"-scummy or "wut"-townish or a "wut"-idk? Hence me asking you to call a cat a cat.

Surely you have more to say about his "IN2C" than a simple "wut". Do you think it's made from a town pov or a scum one?

I.. What...

Can you please rephrase this since I got nothing out of it...

Meh. If you want to answer to a post that wasn't aimed at you, reply to this part:

Do you think sthar's "I need to claim" post is made from a town pov or a scum one?

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@snork: How is he lying?

And I thought you were a newbie who got his first PR, which would explain your reactions to my slight pushing imo.

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zzzx is newbtown.

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@Tier: I remember our first game where you were heavily suspected and I remember how I townread you there based on your behavior to the pressure. A bit more pressure wouldn't be the worst thing in the world and saying I don't need that is a bit of stretch.

P. Edit: and yours!

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But you're right on zzzx though.

Thoughts on Aronis?

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@Tier: Yeah, it is a bit overdone. But it's convenient to be able to clear someone this early.

About hopkirk: he feels town, but his play seems a bit mechanical. I'd need to reread the zzzx and hopkirk interaction, give me a few.

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I had a null and pushed a bit when I saw an empty push on sthar (which I misunderstood apparantly). His reactions, albeit a bit over the top, seem genuine and feel like my early play when I received my first PR's, which is why I asked about his experience. I have a decent town read now, although I don't understand why he'd find sthar's "I need to claim" post scummy. I find that post to be on the town spectrum of things said so far. But, in short: town.

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Eek, your attention on Tier seems really forced, especially the complacent discourse you're currently maintaining with him.

Because it is. I wanted to get a read on him by having a wagon because we synced awesomely during a few games. I didn't suspect him when I voted him. At this point, I feel he's town.

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P-edit: Fuck eek why do we need to be on the same wavelength again

You know why.

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Meh, I figured it wouldn't get any traction without any reason.

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._.

That's comforting.

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If they're finished, yes. I'll glance through. it

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So, who were you in that game? Kind of essential if you want us to read that.

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Sorry guys I've just caught up!! I forget how everything is jumped on here, I'm still a newbie so give me a bit of extra time!! I was only saying this was gonna be good because of the football/soccer reference if I'm honest, which makes the reason for putting it a bit lame...

Just so I can be clear who is still in RVS and whose vote is genuinely what they think??

Definitely massive defences going up in this game though...

Your thoughts on the game and its players, now.

Unvote.

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I don't get Snork's unvote.

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I mean, there we were; 4-6 pages of us arguing back and forth. He was rather determined that I'm scum and he unvotes the second I get to L-2? And to vote Aronis on the next page? And he's not voting Aronis for hopping on the bandwagon without thinking for himself, no, he's voting Aronis for not disclosing his reasons for a townread.

wut?

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Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?

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Eek, response to 168?

It seems like we're playing this game two men short

On other news, I figured out what bothered me in Eek's play.

He showed his plan, getting people to vote me so he could read me, very extensively and stressed that he did it on purpose.
What he didn't do, is execute it. He didn't put actual pressure on me, asked me questions or any of the kind, just blatantly told people to vote me.

He knows I'd expect him to do a great effort to read me correctly if he were town, as we can work together very well. So he showed me that he put in great effort, but he actually didn't.

So I think his attempts at reading me were fake.
Can we get some more Eek votes in?

As said, I figured it wouldn't get traction, so I threw that plan out of the window. I'll read you throughout the game instead.

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Also, Tier, how is placing me (and Aronis to a certain extent) in the town pile a popular opinion?

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Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?

That's what I mean. It's not scummy, not townie.

Not exactly. There's a difference to answering those questions. Also, him being scum and unvoting would imply several things about external factors and not about his actions. Him being town and unvoting tells us more about how he thinks and acts.

As said, I figured it wouldn't get traction, so I threw that plan out of the window. I'll read you throughout the game instead.

You didn't even try. At all.

Meh. I still fail to see how that would make me scum.

Also, Tier, how is placing me (and Aronis to a certain extent) in the town pile a popular opinion?

I saw someone else do it too. He's just trying to be friends with everybody but snork, as it seems.

Yeah, zzzx right? Sthar's also trying very hard to be friends with hop, right? Who was called townish by a few people (you and me for instance). Stop lying.

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Also, sthar needs to shoot either hannah or kop. Preferably in the next day or two.

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Not exactly. There's a difference to answering those questions. Also, him being scum and unvoting would imply several things about external factors and not about his actions. Him being town and unvoting tells us more about how he thinks and acts.

What are you trying to say here?

Gathering my thoughts on this one, it's turning out to be a bit huge.

Meh. I still fail to see how that would make me scum.

Faking trying to read someone doesn't make someone scummy?

I wasn't faking trying to read you (nice misrep there), I realized there wouldn't have been traction to be able to get to a pressure wagon going on you so I didn't. Big difference.

Yeah, zzzx right? Sthar's also trying very hard to be friends with hop, right? Who was called townish by a few people (you and me for instance). Stop lying.

Do you think sthar's reads are shitty and uninspired y/n?

lol

Aside from snork, the reasons are a bit underrepresented, but then again, I don't explain town reads either so what's your point?

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Not exactly. There's a difference to answering those questions. Also, him being scum and unvoting would imply several things about external factors and not about his actions. Him being town and unvoting tells us more about how he thinks and acts.

What are you trying to say here?

I tried to indicate the differences between the questions. You said they meant the same thing (paraphrased), but they don't. They're not the same in the aspects of the answers and they're not the same when talking about the person who asked that question. I find it odd that you think he's town and after a "concerning" move from snork, you'd ask "

would scum do that

?". There's a certain predeterminedness radiating from asking that question in particular.

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Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?

Maybe because there are a few people I haven't interacted with yet and I'm not ready to end the day like that?

You're kind of obsessed with this interaction thing. What's your opinion on hannah claiming to have read the thread but not showing it?

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Tier, your two dayvig kill candidates for today?

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Those reads made no sense. Tier vs me is TvT, but you call Tier town and me scum?

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And where did I defend hannah?

Also interested in that hannah scum read you got from one post. I'd like you to explain (and nobody else interfere)

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Ok, z is town.

If he could just show me where I "defended" Hannah.

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Soon? We have like 5 days left. If she doesn't start posting content in the next 12-24 hours we should shoot her and move on. Same goes for kop.


We have a dayvig, let's use it. Preferably on hannah.

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Did I miss anyone?

Yes.

It's because you haven't interacted yet...

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Ok, z is town.

If he could just show me where I "defended" Hannah.

More of life "tried" to push away my semi RVS comment to cover for her (its all a theory atm thou)

anyway I agree that we should really shoot hannah if she doesnt post soon

@Snork Sorry I forgot, I will read you in the next ~10 minites so gimme a moment

Push away?

I remember you said you had meta reads and then you voted hannah. Is it out of the ordinary to ask if one of those meta's is on hannah?


Also, why would I "push your rvs comment away" if I want to shoot her now?

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Eek, Why would you laugh at that? Interaction is important and if you think otherwise you are more of a newbie than you must think I am.

It was an attempt at a joke.

A failed attempt apparantly.

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Just post it in the topic. No harm done. (imo)

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In case anyone was wondering, z clicked pm instead of post on my #262. Content is an exact copy.

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Aside from the attached nudes of course. Appreciate them!

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sthar

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Incidentally I'm a compulsive day-vig. I'm fine with being chained. Discuss.

I'm strongly resisting the temptation to just kill annoying people right now.

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Wait, really?

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No, no, no. I like this twist.

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Ha. Just thought of something. Don't know how to subtly address it. Taking out the trash and I'll think on it.

Don't swap and don't shoot yet.

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We're not lynching hannah, we're shooting her.

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I'm kidding.

Time to submit this to worst role ideas.

It's not a bad role. Perhaps the swapping should be a mimick function. Could be cool: "The mime".

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We're getting a bit off track here.

Hopkirk, your reads please? I just skimmed over your iso and I didn't see much content, so could you give us an update on your thoughts?

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My thoughts align with tier's for the most. I have a more solid town read on sthar, though. And aronis feels town to me. I do feel the same on the lurkers.

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I know.

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That's why I glanced over a few iso's and noticed hopkirk's was rather empty. And I'm only confident of my zzzx read.

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What do you mean by empty?

Tell me what he thinks of you. Of Aronis. Of Snork.

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*And others.

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Why does aronis look town to you two?

Inclined to read him as newbtown.

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Well, that puts him in a different light then.

I just iso'd him and I get the same vibe as from Hopkirk, a bit barren.

Aronis, same question: what are your reads on everyone?

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What about Tier and Snork?

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Give me like 12 hours and I'll have a mass of notes for this game and be fully caught up. [...]
Hold your horses then you can shoot if you're still not happy. Deal??

Deal. You have 24 hours from this post.

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I'm here calm down.

Calm down? We're 1/2 into D1 and this post is the only thing you posted.

If I'm honest I thought the whole a Eek Tier pretend disagreement then actual buddying up rather forced. It was so much like a pretend fight followed by an 'oh shit no one cares we better not start something' type play than anything.

No one caring is probably why I was at L-2.

We're still waiting for Starth to have to tell us who he was on day one. We're counting down and there is still nothing. So that to me is extremely suspect.

Uh, what? Why does his flavor name matter to his claim?

I really want you to answer this.

(preferably before the end of D1)

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Yeah, I don't like Aronis' comment on the lurkers finally posting without commenting on their posts, I'll wait on his promised post, but that doesn't bode well imo.

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Full read list time (after skimming all the isos ).

Scum
Hannah: She does seem suspicious. Her posts are oddly free of any content or detail.

Zzzx: People say he’s newbtown. He’s played at least 5 or 6 games and appears too have read dozens which makes me disagree that his play can be brushed aside as him being new.

Possible scum
Aronis: He’s talking a lot but is not saying much. He seems suspiciously lacking in content.

Tiershift: He’s giving me bad vibes.

Neutral
Kop: His (minimal) stuff is pretty weird. How is someone counterclaiming against a day-vigi (in a closed setup especially). This “I'd like the idea of voting for who is to be shot. But the only downside, the scum can see who will get the most votes and join in to give them the extra push that they need, then influence the day lynch and they are gaining 3 kills.” From 349 just shows he doesn’t really understand stuff/is newbtown so I’ll need more to decide here. A slight scumlean if I had to pick.

Milk man: Nothing strong either way from here.

Possible town

Snork: Seems legit.

Sthar8: In retrospect (after re-reading), if his role is true, it does fit his play and is a role I’d expect to be part of the town.

Town
Hopkirk

That’s (loosly) in order there.

Vote Hannah

So basically, you put everyone in a category without having any opinion on anyone.

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Like I said I managed to miss his role claim, the name means nothing. Count that as a blonde moment by me, I'm an idiot I can admit that.

I see, doesn't really explain why you asked for his role name, but I see.

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Sure

Scum
Hannah: She does seem suspicious. Her posts are oddly free of any content or detail.

She only started posting and the reason she's on your scumlist is because her posts are free of content or detail?

Scum
Zzzx: People say he’s newbtown. He’s played at least 5 or 6 games and appears too have read dozens which makes me disagree that his play can be brushed aside as him being new.

This isn't a reason to call someone scum, this is an observation of other players stance on zzzx.

Possible scum
Aronis: He’s talking a lot but is not saying much. He seems suspiciously lacking in content.

About the only thing in your list that resembles a valid reason.

Possible scum
Tiershift: He’s giving me bad vibes.

Surely you could go into detail here. No, insteqd, there's this vague "gut" reason.

Neutral
Kop: His (minimal) stuff is pretty weird. How is someone counterclaiming against a day-vigi (in a closed setup especially). This “I'd like the idea of voting for who is to be shot. But the only downside, the scum can see who will get the most votes and join in to give them the extra push that they need, then influence the day lynch and they are gaining 3 kills.” From 349 just shows he doesn’t really understand stuff/is newbtown so I’ll need more to decide here. A slight scumlean if I had to pick.

About the only player you placed in the correct category. The conclusion you're drawing from that quote contradicts with your last line. Not to mention the amount of wiggle room you've left yourself.

Neutral
Milk man: Nothing strong either way from here.

There's absolutely nothing to comment on? Really? Nothing? I'm a bit offended and amazed at your ability to say nothing on everyone.

Possible town
Snork: Seems legit.

Again, nothing. I don't need you to give reasons for your town reads, but snork isn't even a town read.

Possible Town
Sthar8: In retrospect (after re-reading), if his role is true, it does fit his play and is a role I’d expect to be part of the town.

Note how you only mention his role.

Town
Hopkirk

Yeah, right.

vote: hopkirk

You've made like the safest reads list of all time. There's no reasons to your read, your choice between the two lurkers is just following most of us (hannah over kop). Not to mention everyone seems to be in random categories.

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Didn't have a read on Hannah before... then she posted. Much better reason than you who wanted her killed BEFORE she posted- pretty scummy there. The catagories are not random that's how read lists should go.
Don't see what you're calling safe about it still either since i have valid reasoning for every scumread there.

By safe I mean it looks like you're not giving your reasons to your reads as to not hit anyone on the head. I mean, 4 are gut reads, 1 is a valid neutral read (kop), 1 is about a claimed dayvig, 1 is calling somebody not a newbtown. And 3 of those gut reads are people who stood with daggers drawn and all you have to say is "gut" or "I got nothing". This makes no sense.

The categories aren't random, it's the placement of players inside the categories that looks random.

So you do have something on me? "Much better reason than you who wanted her killed BEFORE she posted- pretty scummy there." Where was this in your list? Or is this kind of remark only available to players who question you on it?

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You know you wanna vote aronis, buddy.

Haha, I actually do.

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Hopkirk and Aronis' promised post.

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So waddaja think of the lurkers?

I'm not impressed. And I mean that both positively as negatively. Meh at most. I want them to pick up their posting both in quality as quantity.

Yeah, I don't like Aronis' comment on the lurkers finally posting without commenting on their posts, I'll wait on his promised post, but that doesn't bode well imo.

It's called constructive prod dodging.

I'll start my analysis now.

This guy.

Didn't have a read on Hannah before... then she posted. Much better reason than you who wanted her killed BEFORE she posted- pretty scummy there. The catagories are not random that's how read lists should go.
Don't see what you're calling safe about it still either since i have valid reasoning for every scumread there.

By safe I mean it looks like you're not giving your reasons to your reads as to not hit anyone on the head. I mean, 4 are gut reads, 1 is a valid neutral read (kop), 1 is about a claimed dayvig, 1 is calling somebody not a newbtown. And 3 of those gut reads are people who stood with daggers drawn and all you have to say is "gut" or "I got nothing". This makes no sense.

The categories aren't random, it's the placement of players inside the categories that looks random.

So you do have something on me? "Much better reason than you who wanted her killed BEFORE she posted- pretty scummy there." Where was this in your list? Or is this kind of remark only available to players who question you on it?

1.) For my top reads- Hannah and Zzzx, i've said what i dislike about them specifically. I see no reason to go lower than that since they would not be people I'd lynch right now since they are not at the top of my scum-reads.
2.) I do not view it as random. You can say this about anyone as you won't have the same reads as them.
3.) I can't hava a direct response to your post before you made your post can i...

1) "specifically"? Could you go into detail on your scumreads or do you want to do this conversation again?
2) If you don't explain your reads, except for "gut", then they're going to look like random placements to us.
3) Uhhh? Let's do this one step at a time: did you find me pressing for a hannah vig scummy?

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Let me reread some stuff before I comment on who to lynch.

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No. I don't have a good feeling about this.

[My Milked Eek]

Yes I do. I've seen a scum dayvig in non-bastard games. Why would this be any different?

Not up for debate today. I get what you're saying and it has crossed my mind as well, but we're not lynching him today.

[My Milked Eek]

I'm not really comfy with this wagon buolding this quickly.

I have a plan of action coming up after I find a charger for my phone lol

I'm not really comfy with the fatc that you're not comfy with this wagon, yet you stay on it.

[My Milked Eek]

Hey Tier, I see you're online. Why should I be voting Aronis again?

[My Milked Eek]

I asked you first.

[My Milked Eek]

So, who's his partner according to you?

[My Milked Eek]

Out of those 3, you or kop is the scum. I have a lot of faith in my zzzxtownread.

[My Milked Eek]

Just who's next with a tiny hint of associative tells.

[My Milked Eek]

I don't know, I guess I'm double guessing myself.

That and I did a quick meta on aronis.

[My Milked Eek]

He's like this.

[My Milked Eek]

I didn't find a scum game, but I haven't looked that thoroughly either.

[My Milked Eek]

Being uncooperative isn't scummy, it's antitown. There's a difference. Could you link me to that game?

[My Milked Eek]

I see.


Well, I'm ok with lynching Aronis.

[My Milked Eek]

You don't need my vote to claim. Go ahead.

[My Milked Eek]

Vote: Aronis

[My Milked Eek]

[My Milked Eek]

Unvote.

[My Milked Eek]

Aronis, lie detect one of the following posts.

[My Milked Eek]

At least one scum is in {My Milked Eek, Snork, Sthar}

[My Milked Eek]

At least one scum is in {Tiershift, zzzx, kop}

[My Milked Eek]

One scum has not voted the other.

[My Milked Eek]

Scum is in {hannah, kop}

[My Milked Eek]

I have voted for scum.

[My Milked Eek]

This game is breakable by claiming.

[My Milked Eek]

I'm town-aligned.

[My Milked Eek]

Pick one. In the meantime,

Vote: hannah

.

[My Milked Eek]

Unvote

[My Milked Eek]

Ok, we should decide on a lynch.

[My Milked Eek]

Post #475 and #477 are correct.

[My Milked Eek]

You cant use lie detectors like that i think

lie detectors checks if what someone said is true for that person point of view

so thats a wrong way to use it I guess

Party pooper.

Vote: Hannah

[My Milked Eek]

Interesting turn of events.

[My Milked Eek]

So wait? Now you're saying you liked my early game? I remember you didn't.

[My Milked Eek]

I misread apparently.

Regardless, I really dislike you calling it sheeping when I settle for my third/fourth read 4 hours before the deadline.

[My Milked Eek]

>_>

[My Milked Eek]

Ok.

I'm here. Chill guys.

[My Milked Eek]

Ok. Snork is town as I suspected.
Zzzx is a confirmed tracker. Not confirmed town.
Aronis picked the wrong thing to detect.
Kop is probably town.

The no lynch is probably due to a governor or hannah being immune to lynches or something else. Either way, she needs to claim or be hung.

More in a few.

[My Milked Eek]

I'm not sure if I like everyone claiming. Who hasn't claimed yet? I haven't claimed and I'm not inclined to do so just yet. Kop hasn't either. As has hannah. I only want hannah to claim to be honest.

[My Milked Eek]

And Tier. He should claim. I've always had a nagging feeling in the back of my head about him, but I ignored it because Tier <3, but he should claim.

[My Milked Eek]

Either way, we're not lynching in [kop, snork, mme, zzzx].

[My Milked Eek]

So, you guys post 3-4 pages in rapid succession. Beg for me to come online. And now you're all gone?

Fine.

[My Milked Eek]

I do.

[My Milked Eek]

And he is right.


You claimed and made me conftown. Later aronis claims his investigation. The fact that he didn't say he lie detected my post that said "I'm town" is actually in his favor. He could jave easily lied and said that he investigated that post. Releasing no additional information.

[My Milked Eek]

So we're lynching tier and hannah.

I'm ok with putting sthar in the maybe pile.

[My Milked Eek]

VOTE: Tier

[My Milked Eek]

What does a voyeur do?

[My Milked Eek]

And this is about snork, kop and me being conftown

[My Milked Eek]

Because snork and I said so. We're not going to disclose why just yet.

[My Milked Eek]

Yeah, I'm sure that aronis didn't use his ability because he tried to use it on my post.

[My Milked Eek]

Tbh, your rolecop voyeur reallysounds like a scum role.

[My Milked Eek]

We're going to wait on hannahs claim before lynching you

[My Milked Eek]

I'm as sure as to how a lie detector works as you are of a voyeur.

[My Milked Eek]

Claim.

[My Milked Eek]

Ok. Hannahs role sounds town and checks out. In the probtown pile with you.

[My Milked Eek]

Tier. Where are you? I see you posted in other games.

[My Milked Eek]

Let's talk roles:

Blue roles are confirmed roles.

Town

Hopkirk - 1 shot bus driver
Snork - Hider

My Milked Eek - Not claiming yet.
Kop - Not claiming yet.


Unknown
Tier - Voyeur
Aronis - 1 shot lie detector

Sthar - 1 shot day vig
Hannah - Unlynchable townie (D4)
zzzx - 1 shot tracker

First off, I'm actually glad Hopkirk is dead because a huge mess of role interactions could have happened...

Going by the train of thought that scum would use a fake claim, Tier and Aronis are scum as they are the unconfirmed roles.
Investigation claims: Tier, Aronis and zzzx.
Seemingly counteracting roles: Sthar vs hannah

[My Milked Eek]

Why have kop and Eek not claimed yet?

We're the cool kids.

[My Milked Eek]

So if the dayvig screws up his shot the whole town is screwed?

Also why do I think hannah might be a oneshot?

That actually makes sense. Everyone else is.

A lie. Snork isnt. You dont know what I am and I think tier isn't 1shot iirc.

[My Milked Eek]

Why have kop and Eek not claimed yet?

We're the

cool kids

Mafia.

Snork is still alive isn't he? Hiders die if they hide behind scum.

[My Milked Eek]

Also, Tier and Aronis have been trying to open up the lynch pool. They're afraid of POE. I think that means we've found our scumteam.

Yes. Absolutely.

[My Milked Eek]

I fail to see how I'm scum with Aronis. Am I beng accused of PoE again? Really sorry for that.

You're being accused of hindering the PoE.

Everytime someone says someone else is confirmed or cleared, you're kind of negating it. I actually felt like you were resisting the confirmation of a few players before.

[My Milked Eek]

Snork, myself.

Kop is pretty close.

[My Milked Eek]

Can I ask how??

I'll answer this when I get home from work.

[My Milked Eek]

Cards on the table as I think the game is solved:

the conftown are unkillable. I'm bulletproof and snork is going to hide. Kop is the key to the reason why snork is confirmed. He's a neighbourizer and I was his target, making snork a neighbour as well. If snork wasn't a hider, he wouldn't have been neighbourized.

The three of us have been discussing whether we should claim or not and we decided that we are going to claim. So, we have 2 unkillable conftowns (myself and snork), 1 very likely town (kop) and some other probtowns (zzzx, sthar). That leaves Aronis-Tier-Hannah as probscum.

Game is in the bag I'd say.

[My Milked Eek]

The cool thing was the role interaction with the hider.

[My Milked Eek]

That is the intent of claiming. Reducing the lynch pool faster.

[My Milked Eek]

"Belgium are outside dark favourites to win the group"

- Iain Dowie

Prophetic words.

[My Milked Eek]

I knew it.

[My Milked Eek]

VOTE: hannah

[My Milked Eek]

Choo choo

[My Milked Eek]

Ok, I lied several times in this thread and in the neighbour QT, for this simple reason:

I had to enable my double vote.

Meaning that if I make it to 1 vs 1, town wins. I had nothing else in my mind but to keep myself from dying and to make it to the endgame. Everything I said and posted in the neighbour QT was done to either survive or to lure my fellow neighbours into being confirmed scum if I died. Claiming the neighbours also had a nice bonus of making scum all giddy

[My Milked Eek]

Here is the neighbour QuickTopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/JXviTLbakpVR9

[My Milked Eek]

All in all, I think town played pretty good. Everyone was pretty protown and readable. I do feel this setup was okish balanced, scum just happens to be unlucky that the most swingy combination of night actions happened. The neighbourized hider was really lucky. But at the same time kind of wifom. At one point I thought kop and snork were scum together, pulling my strings. (which is why I wanted to make the neighbours public )

[My Milked Eek]

Yeah, we never talked flavor...

Thanks for modding. I feel you really were on top of things and available when we needed you. Awesome modding.