Mini 1578: Lord of the Rings!! - GaME OVeR

[ThreetoMango]

I'm confirming that at least one head of our hydra knows our role.
(As for QTs, well. I'll let you know about that as soon as *I* do. )
(Also applies for passwords, since if I was given our password, I've since forgotten it.)

I did give you the password
But yeah I'll shoot you a pm.
And we should get a QT, yes.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

VOTE: Toogeloo

No Lynch? Nah.

Also, someone get us an avatar.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Tried to edit a mango to be 100x100, then edit a tuxedo onto it, but I couldn't get a mango 100x100 to look right. Too small

[ThreetoMango]

VOTE: Guyett

alphabet strategy? you do know the guy who did that ended up voting out his own allies

I'm pretty sure he does know.

[ThreetoMango]

~MTD (doh.)

[ThreetoMango]

We really need a QT, 'cause we're gonna get crazy-diss otherwise.

/confoim

Town.

Confirm

Scum.

/Confirm....

I thought this was wrastling, like King of the Ring. Was hoping for Bam Bam Bigelow, instead I get some D&D looking mofo. At least he looks like Andre the Giant.

Probably

town.

/confirming
Nice to see some familiar faces.

Probably

scum.

VOTE: Guyett

alphabet strategy? you do know the guy who did that ended up voting out his own allies

One of Guyett/Freja scum, but not the other.

Gondor Calls For Aid To:
VOTE: reinoe.

[ThreetoMango]

(Actually, we're probably gonna get crazy-diss regardless given that the hydra was formed with no regards to similarity in styles like most of my hydras are, but at least a QT will help keep it from being all in-thread. )

[ThreetoMango]

Mastin my alignment will be pretty obvious to you.

Oh, no doubt it will be eventually. Just that your RVS posting hasn't made it as obvious as it normally does. (Granted, admittedly, the last times it was made obvious I was scum, butstill...... )

Reinoe's totally scum, though. For realz, legit.
Admittedly, I might not be the most sane person, but I pack a punch where it's needed.

[ThreetoMango]

Well this is going to be fun

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

FAO everyone. If I think Mastin is town he is prob scum. If I think he is scum he is prob town

Mastin? Who's Mastin?

[ThreetoMango]

Hm, I should really start signing my posts with just to confuse people.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Post 43 was Dice btw, and this hydra will probably be posting a lot because there are 3 of us.

[ThreetoMango]

Post 43 was Dice btw, and this hydra will probably be posting a lot because there are 3 of us.

Oh, good to know.

~MTD

[Yes, I will keep signing, even if I am the only one]

[ThreetoMango]

If you're sheeping me, Bulbazak, why vote Freja instead of reinoe?
(Now done with accuracy! )

[ThreetoMango]

So Bulbuzak, your vote wasn't RVS?

(Btw, was totally serious about reinoe being scum, and also Freja being probable-scum.)

I'm not going to call Bulb town, but I'm going to give him a lean that way.
Same for Aronis.

ProHawk

could

be bussing, but is almost assuredly town.

[ThreetoMango]

So, uh.

I'm 90% certain that's a scumclaim.

[ThreetoMango]

(And, hey, if I'm wrong, you can always blame me for it, since I'd be the kind of person to make that mistake.)

[ThreetoMango]

So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?

It is

not

"almost definitely" in the game. As it was said before, it is more than likely scum got told a safeclaim, and it seems quite likely you have been using it.

Wow, that theory holds about as much water as the "reinoe typed [Confirm]" and he must be scum" theory. And that vote came after RVS ended so no it was not joking.

Goddammit, nobody ever used this reasoning. We [read:mastin] said we had a scumread on you, quoting your confirm post, but that was just to show who we were talking about. So can you

please

stop ranting about things that never happened?

So shit votes don't lead to people getting lynched?

No.

Just because you witnessed a derphammer once (or twice, it's not like I know) doesn't mean they happen every time, and it is not a reason for you to claim at

L-4

. I have witnessed zero derphammers in my last 10 games (even including marathons), so please don't act like your limited experience was all that counts.

I was getting lynched no matter what. Once a person hits L-1 there's not stopping it. That's what, the third time I've said it? Scum typically don't read the threads so closely.

This is BS. Acting like every L-1 wagon is lynched is BS and so is the assumption that scum didn't read the thread as closely. In my experience scum tend to read it

more

closely if anything.

I see no way that was happening this game considering the number of people who think Frodo Baggins would not be in a game called "Lord Of The Rings".

Again people were not believing

a full role and name claim

. Nothing was stopping that wagon.

You being town might have. But yeah, since you are probably scum, it probably wouldn't have stopped.

Bulbazak is trying to buddy me after the not-lynch to look townie.

I don't even...

I find it kinda remarkable the players who have been here for years claiming they've not seen the things I've seen in just a few months.

-.- Nobody said that they haven't

witnessed

things, but you are assuming that just because things happen once or twice they happen every time.

A wagon this retarded can't form this quickly without all three being on board.

...You have no idea, do you?

~MTD [not really synced]

Pedit: There's nothing as good for learning the game as failing spectacularly.
Also what Freja said.

[ThreetoMango]

Sorry couldn't sleep because of a firetruck. By the way to show that Three To Mango is obviously lying, I was being scumread by that hydra as of post 37. As of post 37 I had three posts. I challenge the entire town to find the scumminess in post 9, 27, or 30. Those were my three posts.

Mastin explained the read in our QT and I agreed, but I think maybe I'll let her explain it herself. I can assure you it was not because of th confirm post, though.
And yeah

obviously lying

lol. You said we were scumreading you only because of "confirm" I say that's not true, you say I am lying because there were "only"

three posts

, obviously lying, yeah.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Oh I didn't even catch he self-hammered.
So much for derphammers.

@Drew: I take it you think reinoe's claim is correct?

[ThreetoMango]

Ah what ever Mastin can correct me when she comes in, the initial scumread was for the RVS post, and no it is not automatically unscummy because it is RVS. He thought it was scummy and so did I. Now, after that you act like that was the only thing you were scumread for, however for me and I think everyone else too the reason for wanting to lynch you was your reaction. I think it is obvious that an initial scumread isn't the only thing that matters, right?

[ThreetoMango]

ThreetoMango where are you? we have things to discuss

Sup.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

well I was hoping for Mastina.... want to talk about his play yesterday

[ThreetoMango]

We think you and bulba are town.

As for scum reads, we're discussing some reads that pinged for us in the hydra chat and can get back to you later.

What are your thoughts on Freja?

[ThreetoMango]

Hi.

I know I am not mastina either
But I think I can say that the line of thinking on reinoe's scumminess is pretty much the same as ours.
I do agree with Freja that scum wouldn't let this opportunity for a mislynch go amiss so it will probs be worthwhile to look on the wagon for scum.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

But I think I can say that the line of thinking on reinoe's scumminess is pretty much the same as ours.

*Bulba's

[ThreetoMango]

@mango: number wise, do you think more scum are on or off the wagon?

I am unsure. As I said I would expect at least one scum on the wagon, but I wouldn't expect the whole scumteamto pile onto it, so more off I guess?

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Reading up. Mastin will be sort of V/LA til I don't know when. MTD is V/LA til Monday. So alone

[ThreetoMango]

Mastin will be sort of V/LA til I don't know when.

Nor do I, really.
At LEAST all of today, maybe tomorrow. I'll play it by ear after that.

[ThreetoMango]

you are responsible for putting a PRish claim to L-1 knowing a quickhammer was a definite possibility. Don't hide under the fact that Reinoe was derpy and quickhammered.

To be fair, I wouldn't say Reinoe quickhammering was a "definite possibility". Town has no reason to hammer themselves, so I see it more as a vague possibility than a definite one.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

^This

Also, the terminology doesn't matter, the point is still there.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

Sorry, I was in a friend's wedding, so I really didn't have any time to post recently. I'll try to get back to this when I get home.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

Hey, this head is back

Uh, yeah, Drew is much scum o.O
I don't even know what he is trying to do in 377, I mean someone pointed out a valid reason that he is scum and he... doesn't even really address it? He just said that the statement was because he thought Aronis

might

be town but probably is scum, but the statement clearly shows certainty that he is scum.
Also that was some crazy PR-fishing when there was talk about the double-votes.

Mod, Do Mafia have daytalk?

Why do you need to know this?

VOTE: Drew

This should be L-2 , but DON'T VOTE THIS YET, because possible extravote!

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

I've name claimed

FTFY

UNVOTE: for now.
But Srsly,
A) why should

claiming your role-name

make you a preferred NK? Smeagol can be VT as likely as anyone else.
B) I don't really buy it, but I don't want the same thing as yesterday to happen, so I wait for now.

[ThreetoMango]

~MTD (in case that wasn't obvious)

[ThreetoMango]

Yeah, you are right in that one I guess.
~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

That was L-3 not L-2 I think

Yep you are right, I thought it was lynch at 5 for some reason.

-.-

[ThreetoMango]

Was that another hammer?!

I don't think it was, unless doublevote... I unvoted.

[ThreetoMango]

Why is Mastina avoiding here? I see her posting elsewhere

All in good time, m'friend.

I've been quite a bit out of the game, though I'm fairly certain we objectively suck since while I haven't been playing the game, last I knew our hydra had Bulb as town. (I suppose it'd be appropriate for us to be blindsided by him, though. )

It should be noted that confirmed role's not confirmed alignment, so I'm not going to clear Aronis, but I'm also not scumreading him right now. (Mainly because I'm neither scumreading nor townreading most players. :/)

[ThreetoMango]

Oh, I have no doubt Guyett and Freja are town.
They have been among our slot's strongest townreads from what little I remember and from the posting in our (mostly empty) QT.

Your alignment's the one in question, especially since targeting the players most obvtown seems a bit...iffy...from a town namecop. (Namecop this game being cop + name, which given our own role, is at least partially a rolecop since our role is highly appropriate.)

[ThreetoMango]

Though it should be noted that I THINK I had Aronis as town and I think that the other heads mighta, too. Don't remember. He was either decently-strong town or decently-strong scum; I THINK it was the former.

[ThreetoMango]

And I just checked our hydra QT; we really suck.
(We didn't take an action last night, when we should be taking an action every night.)

[ThreetoMango]

Oh, I have no doubt Guyett and Freja are town.
They have been among our slot's strongest townreads from what little I remember and from the posting in our (mostly empty) QT.

Your alignment's the one in question, especially since targeting the players most obvtown seems a bit...iffy...from a town namecop. (Namecop this game being cop + name, which given our own role, is at least partially a rolecop since our role is highly appropriate.)

VOTE: Guyett

alphabet strategy? you do know the guy who did that ended up voting out his own allies

One of Guyett/Freja scum, but not the other.

Fairly certain that changed?

MTD said Freya-town, Drew-scum; I said "think so, yeah", and dice (earlier) also said Freja was not as much of a scumread. And we've had you as town the whole game. (At least I have.)

[ThreetoMango]

ok mango. dont crumb if you're just gonna tease

Well, the plan was for us to die N1 anyway, and if not, N2. Neither of which happened, but there's at least a fairly decent chance that we could die without claiming anyway.

(I have no subtlety.)

[ThreetoMango]

Oh, yeah.
Aronis was a townread.
Still is.

Random note though is that Rach's not.

[ThreetoMango]

full claim pls or you'll be dying pretty soon

*sigh*

Boromir. Town-aligned Man. We have the ability Valiance, which allows us to protect a person from harm, but place us in harm's way; they'll live and we...won't.

AKA. We're a bodyguard.

I basically hardcore 'crumbed this early-on you know.

[ThreetoMango]

We protected Bulbazak N1 and didn't submit an action N2.

Like I said.

Objectively, we...kinda suck.

[ThreetoMango]

So Proto may or may not be distancing-scum with Bulba (lean not), but Aronis is deftown.
Rach, however, fairly certain is scum.

VOTE: Rach Marie.
/still catching up.

[ThreetoMango]

Proto gets scummier every time he opens his mouth.

Snscompt is in the wrong game if you dislike wall posts. One of the hydra heads is Mastin of all people. Voting people for wallposting is lulzy.

Not a fan of Guyett trying to pull people off of a floundering wagon just because it's floundering. I don't think Freja's right about Bulba, but telling them to get on the proto wagon simply because it's going places looks like scum trying to secure a second quicklynch. Mind you, it IS the proto wagon, so... guuh. Gonna go talk that over with piggy.

This probably is scum, though.

[ThreetoMango]

Proto looking townier, though, and FailHydra/Rach both looking scummier as I read more.

[ThreetoMango]

At least one Scum lie within here, and I wouldn't be surprised if more:
RachMarie ***
snscompt1 **
FailHydra *
ThreeToMango *

*s represent my confidence level.

I feel as though the above list consists of the least proactive players currently. Since I feel like Proto v. Bulba is town v. town, I get the impression these less proactive players are biding time.

Relevant, given Toog was nightkilled.

Not seen much from sns one way or another, but Rach I can see as scum and same for FailHydra, 'specially given interactions.

('Course there's us, but we'll be made obvtown simply by having me around. And, y'know. The whole we're-probably-going-to-guess-the-nightkill-correctly-eventually thing. )

[ThreetoMango]

reinoe (7) - ThreetoMango, Guyett, ProHawk, Toogeloo, Bulbazak, Aronis, reinoe - LYNCH.

I'm willing to be Bulb was the only scum on the wagon, here. I mean, the only options would be Guyett, Aronis, and ourselves, but I think Guyett's town and Aronis definitely looks town, soyeah.

[ThreetoMango]

I am double voter, discuss

Why weren't you a double-voter D1, Guyett?

[ThreetoMango]

I didn't use it at all d1 and spwnt most of day 2 using that vote wherever Drew voted to make it look like he was double voter.

Okay, nevermind the first question.

Why were you trying to effectively pin Drew-sta as the double-voter?

[ThreetoMango]

So you think protos and FH are scum and you think I am scum How many scum do you think are this game?

No, I quite explicitly think Proto is town and that you and FailHydra are both scum.

Normally, when you're town, Rach, I can feel it.
This game, I'm not feeling it.
And am feeling the opposite, even.

FailHydra's posting seems like scum, as do interactions.
Your interactions haven't been the best either.

[ThreetoMango]

there are still too many PRs around. if we mislynch today we are guaranteed to have multiple claimed PRs at lylo. If theres a fake claim we dont have time to figure it out.

Thing is, each and every one of the claims looks town.

It's possible they're balanced by town negative utility (Frodo might be, Smeagol would be) and strong scum PRs.

But we're not faking.
Guyett's power is confirmed and I derped in not remembering Aronis's result confirms his alignment, too.
Your alignment's confirmed as well.
Aronis looks town.

I mean, if there's a scum in the PR claims, it's going to be Aronis, but I don't think there is.

[ThreetoMango]

And when I flip town as Pippin, who will you look at then?

sns. Everyone else looks quite solidly town.

I do think it's FailHydra and yourself, though.

Makes sense off of D2.

Probably makes sense off of D1, though I haven't reread that.

[ThreetoMango]

Because I am clueless, who should I investigate tonight? A pool of players will work, I just don't want to get griped at.

{sns, Rach, FailHydra} should be the pool, though really it should be whichever of Rach/FailHydra we don't lynch.

1) Stop assuming that all these claimed roles MUST be town.

Nobody is, they're just all town 'cuz the players are playing town.

Obviously at least one is fake.

Except not since this is a good way to get every town PR mislynched one after another by thinking that the only way the setup makes sense is with lying when there are multiple alternative explanations. Among them being negative utility (which we have proven the existence of in Smeagol's claim) and scum power. (Especially if scum got more powerful from the ring.)

It's not the claims which make me think any of the players are town.

It's the play behind 'em.

2) Stop assuming that flavor=allignment.

Hmm. Let's see. The bartender example town PM was a minor force for good. Frodo was a force for good. Aragorn was a source for good. Smeagol (not Gollumn) was a source for good. Samwise Gamgee was a source for good. Lurtz was a source of evil. Elrond, Galadriel, and Treebeard are all sources of good. Boromir was ultimately one, too.

Evidence is pretty damn strong that flavor = alignment.

But do you seriously think a scum PR would claim VT?

Hello, 2014 join date!
"Uhh...I'm a hydra. Of course I have a 2014 joindate."
No, your main is a newb; I can tell because an experienced player wouldn't be making this argument. (Thus, 2014 joindate for the main.)

This is my way of saying, yes.

You have a thing or two or twenty to learn if you think you're going to win an argument against me which involves theory.
Theory is...kinda my thing on the site.

JUST BECAUSE A POWER IS CONFIRMED DOES NOT MAKE THAT PERSON AUTO-TOWN.

Yeah, but my reads on them are explicitly not from the role but from their play. Guyett's a townread outside of his claim, with the claim augmenting it. You're a townread outside your claim. Aronis is a townread outside his claim.

And five town PRs is not at all unreasonable in a mini given that all of them except the vig and flavor cop are fairly weak.

Give me one good reason why this shouldn't be the lynch today.

You're not playing to MS meta, for a start.

If you're willing to listen, I can dissect basically every single assumption you're making that's utterly wrong about site meta, but again, that's mainly mafia theory stuff. Needless to say, I'm right and if you think I'm wrong, you will lose the game as a result 'specially since we're the only thing that stands a chance at keeping town players alive during the night and can (aside from select circumstances) prove it via getting our target correct and ending up nightkilled as a result.

[ThreetoMango]

Seriously, we didn't even point out mango in that last post but they responded with "but we're Not faking!!!! See im so town wheeee! whinewhinewhinewhine."

Actually, you did.

You said "there must be a faker in the PR claims!"

So I responded.

And while it's true my response involved, "We're not faking"...
...I also explained why I didn't think anyone else was faking, either.

(If you were scum, I'd call that kind of thing a misrep on your part. Not sure what a town equivalent term would be, though. Yet that's what you're doing. You were saying something quite specific. I was responding to that specific thing and saying why I thought it not true. Now you're taking a single aspect of that thing and applying it to a different context to make me look worse. Which is basically what misrepping is.)

[ThreetoMango]

there are still too many PRs around. if we mislynch today we are guaranteed to have multiple claimed PRs at lylo.

If theres a

fake claim

we dont have time to figure it out.

Thing is, each and every one of the claims looks town.
It's possible they're balanced by town negative utility (Frodo might be, Smeagol would be) and strong scum PRs.

But we're not faking.

(Word choice because Freja specifically used the word fakeclaim.)

Guyett's power is confirmed and I derped in not remembering Aronis's result confirms his alignment, too.

(And this is not faking.)

Your alignment's confirmed as well.

(And thus, could not be faked.)

Aronis looks town.

(And thus, I don't think he is faking.)

I mean, if there's a scum in the PR claims, it's going to be Aronis, but I don't think there is.

The post in question, with additional annotations and some emphasis to help illustrate.

Five PRs is explicitly

not

overpowering for the town.

You're new to MS.net.
And bluntly, I've got over 150 games of experience here.
You don't know my alignment, but you can trust me to know what I'm talking about.
I'm literally THE person writing the book on MD theory.
I know my numbers.
And even if you don't trust me to be speaking the truth. (I wouldn't lie about this even as scum, because as scum, I NEVER lie about theory; it goes against my fundamental beliefs.) You could talk to literally any veteran player on the site, and they'd tell you the same thing.

Six would be, yes.
But five isn't.

Two weaker miscellaneous roles.
A vig that can be powerful, weak, detrimental, or beneficial, circumstances depending.
A flavor cop that may have limitations to counterbalance its strengths.
A weak protective PR that dies when successful.

With a minimum of one negative-utility VT-turning-into-neutral-survivor.

All of this against a scumteam of unknown (but presumably fairly strong) strength.

Doesn't take a numbers genius to realize that's not imbalanced. Towns NEED roles to win games. There's a reason why most mountainous games are SOUNDINGLY scum wins; it's for that factor. Thus, 5 roles of moderate strength, countered by scum of decent strength with a little town drawback here and there...isn't bad setup design; it's

standard

setup design.

I'm a fucking reviewer for normal games. Yeah, this is a theme, but I still review balance for minis, which means that these numbers are part of my fucking job. So bluntly, I know what I'm talking about and you...don't.

That doesn't mean I'm right about all the claims being from town and you're wrong about there being one scum.
It's possible.
I just think it improbable, off of the circumstances behind each of those claims and the players behind them with their interactions.

[ThreetoMango]

I have a question for you Freja.

If we were scum, why would we claim to have bodyguarded bulba?

I'm going to be a pretty inactive head due to other games and IRL, but I'll try to make a post every once in awhile and when other things clear up hopefully get back to this.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

All 3 heads had an early town read on bulba and then and early town read on you as well, but we decided to go with bulba because mastin gave us some reason sort of reasoning for thinking your VT (I think it had something to do with flavor or something)

Sns - I have not at all been impressed with your play here. All I have seen from you are some weak votes and some weak reads, which is nothing like the town sns that I know.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

All 3 heads had an early town read on bulba and then and early town read on you as well, but we decided to go with bulba because mastin gave us some reason sort of reasoning for thinking your VT (I think it had something to do with flavor or something)

Sns - I have not at all been impressed with your play here. All I have seen from you are some weak votes and some weak reads, which is nothing like the town sns that I know.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

Excuse me while I resist the urge to drop out of the game entirely.
Because I have no words.
No fucking words.
That do not violate shos's wish to be civil.

If you ask me to talk right now, the result will end in me ending up ejected from the game because I have nothing to say that does not involve VERY harsh words when I know I'm fucking right about this.

[ThreetoMango]

Uh, you can talk to me instead I guess?

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

You're asking me to respond to Freja.
When the results boiled down.

Are a big giant "fuck you, you arrogant asshat, I'm town, I'm right, all five were fucking town and your insistence otherwise was fucking antitown", except far more explicit than that and in detail.

I have no words for this game right now.
None.
Because mafia theory is MY FUCKING THING.
And the thought of lynching me is based off of NOTHING BUT MY FUCKING THING.

[ThreetoMango]

But if yiu were angry you would have done your anger post already not post 533

Except that was the first post since my last.

As for talking.
You have who I suspect.

Rach and FailHydra.

You have my correct defense, which I can't fucking shoot down the wrong-assed counter to without getting removed from the game anyway.
I can paraphrase our QT for what the 50 posts are worth.
I can explain my mindset for what little its been.

But that's it.

[ThreetoMango]

Wheb did I ask you to respond to freha?

What was this if not a request for me to?

Do it... then censor yourself if you want to

And pardon me, but I'm bowing out for the moment.

I saw a Freja post.

I'm not going to read it, least of all logged in, least of all right now. Maybe later. Maybe I can cool down enough to respond rationally.
Not right now.

[ThreetoMango]

Eating right now, will check back in a little, but wanted to tell Guyett that our pm doesn't mention being influenced by the ring.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

Borimir as bodyguard makes sense.... but is he town given the influence of the ring?

Uhm, how would a scum bodyguard make sense?

[ThreetoMango]

^me

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Uhm, protecting Bulb was already discussed, he was our biggest townread at the time.
Not protecting anyone last night was already discussed as well: We are idiots.
Any more questions?

[ThreetoMango]

^
~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

11 hours away from the deadline I mentioned we had 11 hours left and still needed to decide a targeted, and I suggested Guyett. Nobody responded, and I ended up forgetting and going to sleep. Mastin then came in and said that she didn't submit.

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

^this. I honestly don't know how I forgot about it myself.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Toast and I agree that all the scum likely don't have obvious scum names like Sauron or The Witch King of Angmar

What confuses me about this is that Bulba

did

have a pretty obvious name. This makes me think that the name-cop might actually be

more

likely to be scum than town.

Additionally, if we dont end up lynching Mango, he should protect Aronis as well. If Aronis dies at night we would be pretty sure mango has to be scum. If scum doesn't target the Flavor cop then they run a serious risk of losing if both the Flavor cop and the body guard live and we net the second scum.

If this happens, please remember that if we die, that doesn't clear Aronis, though.

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

I still do not understand why the Vig has not claimed.

Would have to be FH I guess, or has anyone else not claimes?

~MTD

[ThreetoMango]

Just popping in to say I won't be on at all tomorrow.

Also, I got us an avvy \o/

[ThreetoMango]

- Dice

[ThreetoMango]

if mango is town then there is for sure scum in between guyett and aronis.

Go ahead and lose the fucking game by thinking this, but don't say I didn't fucking tell you so post-game.

1x vig.
Friendly neighbor.
Bodyguard.
ALL WEAK ROLES.

Double-voter.
Flavor-cop.
ONLY REAL TOWN ROLES.

Negative utility.
Whatever scum PRs exist. (Which there are likely to be at least one of, if not two.)

BALANCED.

[ThreetoMango]

why cant double voter or flavor cop be scum roles? they have utility both ways

They can be...

...BUT YOU ARE ASSUMING THEY ARE SCUM OFF OF ROLES.
RATHER THAN LOOKING AT THEIR GODDAMNED PLAY.

And interactions.

[ThreetoMango]

Gj guys. GOOD FREAKING JOB. LYNCH THE PLAYER WHO CAN PROTECT OUR VIG OR OTHER PR, WHICH THEN SHOWS THEM TOWN BECAUSE THEY DIE. OUR ROLE WASN'T EVEN UNPROVABLE. IT COULD'VE BEEN PROVED IF WE GUESSED RIGHT ON OUR PROTECTION.

I'M GLAD I DIDN'T GET INVESTED IN THIS GAME BECAUSE WITH TOWN PLAYERS LIKE THIS, WHO NEEDS SCUM?

[ThreetoMango]

Now that my rage is done for now.

REMEMBER THIS ONE THING.

I have played with sns in several games. Town and scum. He fooled me pretty good as scum, but I've gotten a hang on his scum game. DON'T LET HIM GO UNOTICED. From what I've seen of him, I'm seriously considering him for scum.

Also, a lynch on Guyett is stupid.

[ThreetoMango]

(Sns, Rach, FH) last 2 scum lie in this pool. I wouldn't be really really confident in Aronis being town, but I'm leaning that way.

Guyett, Proto, Freja, are town.

If I missed someone it's because it's 3 AM

- Dice