NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

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tn5421 confirming for Burning_Town

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The stupid one in this hydra is also confirming.

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Wow

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Hi I'm mafia

Seems like a freudian slip to me.

@MOD: Burning_Earth, my other head, is V/LA from July 5 to July 15

~tn5421

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Hi I'm mafia

WHY DID YOU CHANGE YOUR AVATAR????????

-B_E

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That a avvy was beautiful.

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And it looks like wake is scum

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BE

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Love the detailed analysis, Burning. So much information. A lot of people are really only posting the bare minimum.

Yeah, reasons are for the other guy

I think wake is scum because the hypocrisy and fluff in his opening was terrible. I didn't vote him because he's at L-3. Where I have my mafia roots, L-2 is claim time! Also I'm very paranoid!

Alina just oozes new town

Skot, probtown

-B_E

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And it looks like wake is scum

Funnily enough, I'm not suspicious of him. And you forgot to sign you post >.<

Well, yeah, I'm still reaction testing.

I'm gonna milk this cow for all it's worth.

Moocows.

Love the detailed analysis, Burning. So much information. A lot of people are really only posting the bare minimum.

Yeah, reasons are for the other guy

I think wake is scum because the hypocrisy and fluff in his opening was terrible. I didn't vote him because he's at L-3. Where I have my mafia roots, L-2 is claim time! Also I'm very paranoid!

Alina just oozes new town

Skot, probtown

-B_E

SKOT isn't the smartest branch on the tree but I agree that he is probably town.
I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

Wake's intro is kinda out there. But it seems in character for me.

I'm more interested in the people on his wagon, BP's vote was purely oppertunistic, also Scarab slipped on there in the butter zone as soon as it looked like other people were interested.

Vote: Scarab

You are literally voting me for not sitting at my keyboard refreshing this game. I voted wake

18 minutes after his post

because that's when I saw it. This post of yours is just absolutely blatant opportunism. You acknowledge that there's something off with wake's intro post, then discredit its potential scumminess due to meta that other players may or may not have (hint: I've never read a game that had wake in it), then call people scummy for voting him for that post straight out of the RVS? Yeah, sure.

Unvote: Wake88

Vote: Mirhawk

Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is.

I doubt Wake is scum, I know he knows how to fly under the radar. Also, this is a Large Normal.

VOTE: reinoe

You ought to post more. Talk to me. Who are your top town reads and who are you most suspicious of, besides Wake?

p-edit: What do you mean, HunterSeeker?

~tn5421

Toomai edited this post to fix busted quotes.

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Oh crap, my quote tags broke.

@MOD: Can you fix my quote tags in the above post. The first part I wrote was "I doubt Wake is scum". The scarab quote is supposed to go down to "Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is."

Will do.

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I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

He got us out of RVS by being scumread so I don't see how that's relevant

You scumreading him for his playstyle isn't exactly relevant either.

~tn5421

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I rescind my wake scum read. Diving deeper into the matter it seems he is a combo of VI and "reaction bait all the time baby"

-B_E

(Also I did sign my post, just with another post)

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I don't like my Reinoe vote though, will talk a bit about it.

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I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

He got us out of RVS by being scumread so I don't see how that's relevant

You scumreading him for his playstyle isn't exactly relevant either.

~tn5421

So you've seen him do this before?

It falls in line with the advice he gives as a mod.

How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone

not

manipulative?

It depends on how the person being voted flips. If he's pushing for a lynch on someone who turns up scum, I don't think it's manipulative at all. He's trying to rally the troops in that instance. If he ends up flipping town, okay, that looks pretty manipulative.

Although Wake hasn't responded in awhile since a lot of the later votes were put on him. This is why my vote remains on him.

It's manipulative either way. What you're saying is that a successful result makes all the bad stuff go away.

@222: That was busted quotes. I only voted for reinoe. The mod fixed the quotes for me, so check out 210 again.

Contrary to what some people have said, I'm neither a VI or a bad player. I'm just, well, busy, and I deal with the hand life's given me.

I stopped reading here. You being busy has nothing to do with why people have called you a VI or a bad player. And there's no way I'm reading the rest of a post that big that says it's only caught up to post #100. If you have something important to say, say it instead of hiding it in a hugeass wall that comments on something like 2 pages of the game.

He has a lot to say, which you would know if you read his post.

@Wake88(

I am really retarded with the quotes bc I can't figure out how to quote smaller sections without completely botching the format and I don't think anyone here really wants me to quote all that, lol)

Shaddowez's RVS comment on me was a joke based on the fact I RVSed him in our last game together.

I was just seeing what you were going to say with my question towards you at 88. My thought process was that scum would probably be more likely to try and back out of a reaction test like that early by saying "lol it's a reaction test chill guys " while town would probably be more comfortable and keep it going. I understand your POV a lot better now, though.

Aegor's 100...after looking at what he was responding to I'm a bit confused myself? farside asked about your comments after your first post, but Aegor just said "for obvious reasons," with his vote, so...I don't know with what you said afterwards has to do with anything? I might be missing a post that would make the whole situation make more sense to me but right now I'm kind of just like...wat @ the whole exchange.

If you don't want to hardcore quote messages, when you use someones name, also include a post number via the post tag. Such as:

Alina 268: This content.

The stuff between [ quote ] and [ /quote ] will be quoted.

Code: Select all

"In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5990018#p5990018]post 215 [/url], Not_Mafia

This part lets you directly link the post and quote together. It also gives the "In (linked)Post 215, (user) wrote:" that you see on everyone elses quotes.
Be careful when nesting quotes, because sometimes they break. I would also recommend turning off quote-by-selection and multiquotes and doing that part yourself.

Have you read the thread, boon? If so, do you have any thoughts you'd like to share?

Can I ask you a non-game question?

Are you from Bay 12?

I posted more so I wouldn't get prodded..
Sure, I'll OMGUS once again. This one makes more sense though.
VOTE: TheAdrienC
Reasonings later. In the middle of something right now.

You can hold my vote until you actually answer the questions directed at you.

~tn5421

VOTE: Boonskiies

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VOTE: Boonskiies

here, I'll help you until I catch up on the thread. Go ahead and lynch me for 'lack of content' even though I've blatantly said I haven't had any time to read the thread. Damn...ignorance.

I was pretty clear about my vote being pressure for you to start posting information.

Not sure if Boon is serious or not. And chances are both the wagons are town.

Probably. I'm waiting for boonskiies to do more than 'woe is me, imma get policy lynched' and actually play with us.

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I'm townreading Alina and Wake, slightly scumreading reading boonskiies and VI reading salamence.

~tn5421

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I'm townreading Alina and Wake, slightly scumreading reading boonskiies and VI reading salamence.

~tn5421

Why boo read scum?

His reaction to being voted by me is suspect. Specifically the angry self-voting.

I will be online tomorrow.

The hostility and immaturity in this game is a turn-off, but regardless I'm aiming to post in-depth posts for each from #5 and up, while including reads, if possible. The reason I am not quick to label someone as Scum is because I don't like being wrong. There are some players I get gut feelings on, and I'll be focusing more on that soon.

I hope everyone has had a damned good 4th of July. I pigged out on chilled watermelon this evening, and am feeling quite happy.

I didn't realize people were so ready to rush to lynch you.

I mean, seriously, your postings have the most content per post of anyone in this thread, that alone is worth keeping you around until at least day 3 or 4 on its own.

~tn5421

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Everyone:


TOP SCUMREAD. GO.

Boosnkiies, for clear active lurking, self-voting, useless votes, and AtE.

#1: Boonskiies (reaction to being voted)
#2: Scarab (Making light of breaking the rules, general douchery)

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~tn5421

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#2: Scarab (Making light of breaking the rules, general douchery)

Do you find Scarab scummy or lynch-worthy?

He is somewhat scummy, but he isn't lynchworthy at this time. That could change if he doesn't shape up.

~tn5421

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Boon is obvtown, knock it off.

I'd like to know what exactly makes him obvtown to you.

If people don't agree with you then should can and will simply disregard your noise.

No one is above inquiry, and you'll not be shielding anyone from suspicion here.

I want to know exactly why you think he's obvtown when he isn't, and why you feel the need to try and put yourself between him and other players.

'Cuz I'm obvtown, boy...

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To answer my reads on Clusk, he doesn't give any true meaningful scum hunt that can't be brushed off just by thinking a little, puts his top 'scum' reads, but no reasoning, and his top 'scum' reads are just people that can potentially easily get a band wagon on them just because their natural play can bring people to the conclusion that they are scum, a la me. And Adrien I am less sure, he could just be a scummy-like player like myself. Clusk doesn't naturally seem scummy, though, but his weak reasoning draws me to think that he is scum. Also, he doesn't refer to his scum buddies like ever, unless he is answering a question for them, WHICH he doesn't do unless it's his scum buddy.

source: I have been in a scum game with him.

You're not obvtown.

~tn5421

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@MOD:

I'm V/LA until further notice, but it will be for at least 3 days.

~tn5421

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@Cabd: When you finish with your iso, I would like to know why you feel the way you do in 781 about Wake and Boonskiies.

Welcome to the game.

~tn5421

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If HS ends up being town I will report him to the mafia gods for playing against his win condition.

1. I did not suicide
2. I did not selfvote/hammer with the intention to lose the game for town
3. I did not draw votes onto myself with the intention of getting lynched

More importantly Stop the OGI threats and ATEing which IMO is more harmful for the game

Note to self: actually Juls's interaction with me had been great had we been a maf team, Juls seems genuinely upset and I shud get towncred for fishing reactions. I mean no one would believe we are teamed even if one of us flip maf. /end note to self

VOTE: HunterSeeker

No..........just no.

~tn5421

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.....I alt slipped. 1150 is mine

Spoiler: Post 1150

No, I will not do it. I have done all I am going to do for you. Go gladiator on me, I don't care. I will ignore you as will the rest of town because you are being absolutely ridiculous. It is not my problem that you can't see that.

Sorry town for the last two pages. From this point forward I will be completely ignoring wake. If anyone else feels that he has said anything that truly needs my attention then ask me and I will do my best to answer.

Hm, a scum claim. Delicious.

They do when your haughty attitude and behaviour and lines of inquiry are so transparently and thoroughly ridiculous and obtuse that all it is achieving is irritating the player list and inducing apathy. What you are doing is not effective scumhunting and if I didn't have a policy of not replacing out of games unless IRL circumstances make it impossible for me to play I'd probably have bailed by now. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like you have any intention of accepting any criticism and attempting to improve but I hope that after I've slept, either you'll have stopped this or my desire to policy lynch will have faded but right now the game simply cannot move forward with you acting like this.

So dodging questions is considered acceptable behavior now? Why didn't you tell me?!

The point of being a good Townie is to ask questions and stimulate discussion. If that means pouring on the pressure, then that's what it's going to take.

Part of being a good townie is discerning where pressure should be applied. If you think that applying more pressure to Juls is a good idea, then your judgment is just bad.

All you're doing is teaching me that it's acceptable to be lazy and hide behind my ISO, instead of directly responding to direct questions which would in turn give you better reads. You're also teaching me that it's ok to fight questions, and discredit questions as crap, as if being transparent and straightforward is a bad thing.

No one is hiding behind an ISO. It is your responsibility to read this thread. No one has to answer the same question twice or present the same argument twice. That is what you are asking others to do.

>Part of being a good townie is discerning where pressure should be applied. If you think that

applying more pressure to Juls is a good idea, then your judgment is just bad

.
>

No one is hiding behind an ISO

. It is your responsibility to read this thread. No one has to answer the same question twice or present the same argument twice.

That is what you are asking others to do

.

Lynch all Liars
MFoS: Aegor.

Burning_Town: Where are you? Null.

Burning_Earth is V/LA until the 15th, as am I.

p-edit: @Alina: I'm more than happy to vote Aegor, but I doubt the wagon would take off.

~tn5421

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I didn't dodge anything. I answered his question, he didn't accept my answer. I wasn't going tO feed into his distracting behavior anymore. Nice non vote though on a "scum claim"

He asked you about an

update

. You dodged.

~tn5421

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So dodging questions is considered acceptable behavior now? Why didn't you tell me?!

It can be acceptable to dodge questions depending on the circumstances. It can be acceptable to completely dodge players. I've done both as town. Sometimes you have to recognize how your interactions affect the entire town, and getting stuck in a quagmire with Wake will definitely have adverse affects on the town as a whole and individual players.

The specific situation came off to me as 'I cant be bothered to update my reads, so read my iso'.

Unless a question is unnecessarily leading, it should at least be responded to with an 'not answering this' without being dramatic about it.

@Wake: I think it is more likely that we have a SK rather than another mafia faction, but it's not impossible.

~tn5421

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HunterSeeker is town, I think. He simply said there were 5 scum because that was his guess. It isn't as if scum would just slip that way. Also, his stuff after that reminds me of me when I'm town and not having a good game (for the record I've only had one good game and it wasn't on this site )

Alina looks like town to me. She's questioning and applying pressure in a townish way, especially for a newbie.

Boonskies? It isn't his contradictions that I find scummy, it is two other things.

1: His most recent posts seem to be reacting angrily instead of logically or not at all

2: He wanted to lynch hunter quickly but he thought he was newbtown.

I am btw looking foward to some heated discussion in hydra chat

VOTE: Boonskiies

-Burning_Earth

PEDIT: Jesus fucking christ 6 posts in the time I made this one.

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If you tracked alina to a kill you should say so boonskiies.

B_E

PEDIT: Another fucking 3 posts.
PPEDIT: Another post

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You explained what boonskiies? In response to my 1 or 2?

PEDIT: Never mind.

Why is Alina not vanilla? Why must she be scum or PR? Is there posts pointing to this?

PPEDIT: FOR FUCKS SAKE ANOTHER POST (Above was @boon)

PPPEDIT: And again

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-B_E

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Like really? "Hey Alina, don't roleclaim with a vote on you! *PROCEEDS TO ROLECLAIM*" Good job. I'm impressed.

Meh, heaps of people claim vanilla under any pressure, not worried about the claim in particular, especially given that he thinks you are a PR

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Why is Alina not vanilla? Why must she be scum or PR? Is there posts pointing to this?

please answer this NOWNOWNOW

-the impatient one (B_E)

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He had two votes on him. Two. :l I'm sorry if I'm coming across like mega-bitch here but that's just ugh

Yeh it was a stupid move all right. Certainly doesn't make me want to move my vote off him.

Don't worry, you aren't a mega-bitch.

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"because I didn't want you yelling down my back for saying YOU JUST WANT ME TO CLAIM MY PR!!!"

If alina is scum she'd claim vanilla. So um... wut?
"I'm actually starting to become more convinced that we are dealing with a third party, whether it be a werewolf gang or a SK."
Why is she an SK? Also, warewolves act just like mafia.

PEDIT: I agree Alina.

PPEDIT: Boon, you act like it is physically impossible for her to be vanilla for some reason

PPPEDIT: No, you should stop voting HS aegor. He's town.

_B_E

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GA ALL OF YOU STOP POSTING FOR 5 MINUTES!!!!!!

(joke)

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HunterSeeker is town, I think. He simply said there were 5 scum because that was his guess. It isn't as if scum would just slip that way. Also, his stuff after that reminds me of me when I'm town and not having a good game (for the record I've only had one good game and it wasn't on this site )

Alina looks like town to me. She's questioning and applying pressure in a townish way, especially for a newbie.

Boonskies? It isn't his contradictions that I find scummy, it is two other things.

1: His most recent posts seem to be reacting angrily instead of logically or not at all

2: He wanted to lynch hunter quickly but he thought he was newbtown.

I am btw looking foward to some heated discussion in hydra chat

VOTE: Boonskiies

-Burning_Earth

PEDIT: Jesus fucking christ 6 posts in the time I made this one.

Nothing heated about it, I agree completely.

@Burning - I didn't show any anger until post #1258. I had no reason to show anger, unlike Alina. I am vanilla, I'm a bad lynch for town. I'm probably going to get NK eventually because of my hunch on Alina. "Oh no! Why would I kill him?! It would be too obvious! Oh poor me, someone's trying to get me lynched. Oh dear."

I'll answer this with a quote:

Like really? "Hey Alina, don't roleclaim with a vote on you! *PROCEEDS TO ROLECLAIM*" Good job. I'm impressed.

@Burning_Town I want a PPPPedit though!

PPPPedit: I can't handle this anymore...

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And if I had lied about being vanilla, I'm not going to claim unless it will ultimately benefit the town. And with that, scum is out of the question on knowing what I am. Thanks.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SHIP HAS SAILED? YOU CANNOT EVER ALTER YOUR CLAIM AND BENEFIT THE TOWN. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU STILL NOT GETTING?

@Boonskiies: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36231

Yeah, we're gonna get married. True love. We'll be Boonlina. Alinaskiies?

...........

what?

Is anyone else noticing that Not_Mafia basically hopped on every bandwagon started this day phase (with the exception of boonskiies)?

That will be something to look into tomorrow.

@Broodking - why does that make boon scum but not wake? (Sorry if you already answered, this game is becoming a bit hard to catch everything)

I personally know Boon's playstyle better, because I did a meta on him for a different game. I don't like it from Wake either, but I am 100% Boon is scum. The style is totally anti-town, Boon town can be crazy, but it isn't disruptive. I'm probably not going to do a meta for this game, because that would be too much time into this game, which is already a spam fast of fights and arguments.

You did a meta on me in another game? Well, it wasn't a scum game of mine. Making up lies now? You realize I've only officially completed two games on this site, right? One I was a day vig, and the other I had replaced into super late, so I seriously don't get what you are talking about. Slipped up, yo.

You weren't even on my suspicious list until now.

VOTE: Broodking

Humm. Confirmed liar versus player. I think I'll believe the player.

VOTE: Boonskiies

~tn5421

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Surely... SURELY a lurker can be lynched after actual scum, especially because replacement.

It is more than likely that he is town. We just assume lurker=scum for some stupid reason.

-B_E

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Ju

L

s: You're antagonizing for the sake of antagonizing. Seems scummy to me, despite your target's behavior.

~tn5421

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@Toomai: Legitimately sorry if I broke a rule in that post, I just completely forgot about.

FTFY. Closing tags are not optional.

~tn5421

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rvs

VOTE: cabd

catchup in a bit.

notimpressed

nintelligent

~tn5421

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So... We're apparently lynching a guy who mostly lurked on bad meta based around EM.

Dear lord. This game is a paragon of suck. This coming from a player who is the paragon of suck.

-B_E

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Want to know what makes me uncomfortable? People who ignore large posts directed at them that should be addressed.

This entire game is putting me on edge.

~tn5421

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Distractions go bye-bye~


~tn5421

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Wait, we have to have cops or else the Godfather role wouldn't exist right? I guess it could be the mod screwing with us.

No, people use godfathers as a red-herring.

tracked not_mafia last night. He did not do anything.

To be honest, I'm not even sure. I've just slowly felt less and less inclined to lynch him as the night phase went on lol. Adrien seems to have done a few more scum motivated things in my opinion than Boon, as well. After I did my mega-writeup accusation thing on Adrien (that he ignored, which made me sad, but I don't know what I was expecting his response to be in the first place) I realized I have way more on Adrien than I do on Boon. Reinoe flipping over and trying to get Boon lynched as well doesn't help, although I realize it could be distancing/they could just be different factions if it's multiball, which it probably is. In that case, could there be two Godfathers? o.O That could kinda suck for cops if we have them, lol.

I'm for lynching boon today.

~tn5421

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VOTE: Boonskies

Forgot to put my vote where my mouth is.

~tn5421

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I don't like how aero hammered with deadline well off then is now distancing himself greatly from the HS lynch

-B_E

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I knew Alinaskiies was the better one!

Let's lynch Boonskiies, guys.

He's been a read for this whole game for me guys, want a reason, check my like 10 page argument with him.

Actually not this whole game but I didn't want to edit the quote that much. Only since the argument thingamajig.

Alina works to avoid mastin sized posts. This is appreciated.

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I forgot how little pressure you need to flail

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

This was my biggest read day 1 and replacement could do with some pressure.

Statistically the person that calls someone else on flailing is more likely to be scum than the person flailing.

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In their defense, that is a hydra for you. But I'd like to point out from Burning_Earth's posts mainly is the one I believe isn't reading completely and mainly just lurking. I don't get the town read.

We don't require your defense.

FoS: Am_Mafia

You mind explaining that?

No.

This is why. You are my strongest scumread.

~tn5421

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I'll be back tomorrow to play; I've been pretty busy with work.

What I will say is this:

1) I think it's reasonable to suspect that there may be an Odd-Night Town Vigilante.
2) In a game this big, it's plausible that there is an Even and Odd version of a power role.
3) I would suspect the same if an Even-Night Cop died, that there may be an Odd-Night Cop as well. In fact I just modded a game with that Setup offsite.
4) And if that's true, then Night 1 is suspicious, because an Even-Night Vig died, and I reckon that an Odd-Night Vig was active during that Night.
5) And just theorizing a bit, Night 2 is really odd. There's no Even-Night Vig to kill someone during Night 2. So sans the Even and having the Odd out of commission until Night 3, why were there two kills? That leads me to think we're looking at multiball. It could just be my own faulty perspective on these things, but I think it's important to throw my thoughts out there while I still can.
6) Lastly, assuming two non-Vig entities killed reinoe and NS during Night 2 (I'm assuming we're looking at two Scum factions), how does that explain Night 1?
7) Could it be that the Even-Night Vig killed Cabd or Farside, a Scum faction killed the other, and then the remaining Scum faction was blocked... or couldn't perform the kill? That is what I simply wondering.

Now to those who "seem" to think it is strange for me to muse on these possibilities, at least someone is wondering about this part of the game.

I'm of the notion that Scum have to fabricate reasons to Scumread Townies.

So, BroodKingEXE Aeronaut and others, would you please elaborate further on what exactly you find so off and wrong about my musings? I get the sense that some here don't particularly like that I'm prodding about on the Even/Odd Night Vig issue. That I find interesting, in that suspecting there may be an Odd-Night Vig and multiball is quite reasonable, and wise to assume, in order for Town to be safer in this game.

As per the rules, Toomai deleted all the bold in this post because there was way too much of it (i.e. the whole list was bolded).

This post is bad.

Why is this post bad? It does nothing at all. You engage in baseless speculation, then ask us why we don't like it, then some more speculation WHICH COULD A REASONABLE CONCLUSION BUT DOESNT!

Basically, I'd like your next post to have something that we actually care about. If you continue to only do setup speculation, I will assume that you are scum.

B_E

[Burning_TowN]

Because its hard to have an opinion on anyone in the game having read exactly none of the game.

So....

This guy is town, I think.

B_E

[Burning_TowN]

I'll be back tomorrow to play; I've been pretty busy with work.

What I will say is this:

1)

I think it's reasonable to suspect that there may be an Odd-Night Town Vigilante.

2)

In a game this big, it's plausible that there is an Even and Odd version of a power role.

3)

I would suspect the same if an Even-Night Cop died, that there may be an Odd-Night Cop as well. In fact I just modded a game with that Setup offsite.

4)

And if that's true, then Night 1 is suspicious, because an Even-Night Vig died, and I reckon that an Odd-Night Vig was active during that Night.

5)

And just theorizing a bit, Night 2 is really odd. There's no Even-Night Vig to kill someone during Night 2. So sans the Even and having the Odd out of commission until Night 3, why were there two kills? That leads me to think we're looking at multiball. It could just be my own faulty perspective on these things, but I think it's important to throw my thoughts out there while I still can.

6)

Lastly, assuming two non-Vig entities killed reinoe and NS during Night 2 (I'm assuming we're looking at two Scum factions), how does that explain Night 1?

7)

Could it be that the Even-Night Vig killed Cabd or Farside, a Scum faction killed the other, and then the remaining Scum faction was blocked... or couldn't perform the kill? That is what I simply wondering.

Now to those who "seem" to think it is strange for me to muse on these possibilities, at least someone is wondering about this part of the game.

I'm of the notion that Scum have to fabricate reasons to Scumread Townies.

So, BroodKingEXE Aeronaut and others, would you please elaborate further on what exactly you find so off and wrong about my musings? I get the sense that some here don't particularly like that I'm prodding about on the Even/Odd Night Vig issue. That I find interesting, in that suspecting there may be an Odd-Night Vig and multiball is quite reasonable, and wise to assume, in order for Town to be safer in this game.

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Oh this is the same

[Burning_TowN]

FoS: Am_Mafia

FoS: Am_Mafia

You mind explaining that?

No.

What does a naked FoS even do? I'm sure Tn mentioned this already, but this is bad.

[Burning_TowN]

In their defense, that is a hydra for you. But I'd like to point out from Burning_Earth's posts mainly is the one I believe isn't reading completely and mainly just lurking. I don't get the town read.

Where are the reasons for me being scum?

B_E

[Burning_TowN]

tn5421, in #210, you single out Reinoe to post more, but IIRC there were quite a few people who didn't post yet? I'm a bit too lazy to go through and check what exactly the post counts were at that point, but was there any reason in particular that you chose to single them out? Also, B_E, why did you not like that vote, exactly?

I've played with reinoe before and know he needs the reminder.

I'm going over SKOT's ISO and I know a lot of people have been attributing his (what I think is) scummy play to his play style from playing on another site but here's a quick summary of his posts.

On post 152, he says he will hammer Wake if he is at L-1 and in the same post, mentions he doesn't think Wake is scum. On 158, he tries to defend it by saying he's from another site and that's just how he plays. 162, he criticizes shadow for calling out Wake's hypocrisy like a lot of us were. 163, OMGUS vote on Aegor after he called for SKOT to be PL and then calls Aegor a bully. Oh and he called Aegor town in the exact same post. On post 170, he criticizes Aegor for his aggressive play (who else was criticized at this point for having an overly aggressive play style?). 181, he defends his aggressive style to me once more (noticing a pattern yet?). 197, congrats, he doesn't have any reads. 319, randomly and unexplainable votes for now-confirmed town, Salamence. 336, claims tracker. Not even/odd tracker. Just tracker. Next few posts were justifying why he claimed. He votes for scarab on post 452, not sure why because he never explains it. 715, he demands Cabd gives a reason why Salamence pressured me into claiming. 889, he votes Clusk, who ends up being a lynched VT.

First D2 post (986) was a vote for me after Juls and NM throw one on me. And says he didn't get any information from N1, not necessarily saying he "couldn't track anyone". 1007, he unvotes. 1011, complains about this site's meta. 1014, calls Juls a bully for pushing a HS lynch. 1015, hints he is an even night tracker after the even-night vig (Cabd) and odd-night doctor (farside) flipped. 1019-1027, whiteknighting alert? 1118, THEN VOTES FOR THE GUY HE WAS DEFENDING. Posts mostly uninteresting, responsive posts after that, most interesting of which is prodding Aegor once more and saying he could get on board with lynching Boon.

Day 3, post 1848, gives his result on NotMafia, deciding to track someone who was a consensus town player. 1884, he claims he chose him because of vote placement. Defends his claim then a naked vote on Aero.

What I haven't seen: Him making any effort whatsoever to find scum and the fact he hasn't been NK'd after claiming an investigative PR.

My vote remains. SKOT is the smart lynch for the day.

I am in favor of this, although I'll wait for my other head's opinion.

~tn5421

[Burning_TowN]

Yep I agree with tn

VOTE: SKOT

[Burning_TowN]

VOTE: Boonskiies

~tn5421

[Burning_TowN]

"I also have some problems concerning BTown. Considering that there's two of them there is startlingly little content coming from them. The fact that the two of them are communicating between themselves and post next to no content makes me feel like it's deliberate."

You use communicating very broadly

Vote Juls

I'm tired of waiting for tn, he can change it w/e

"DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT"
logical argument you have there aegor

These are mine. Our first alt-slip. Coming of age for the hydra?

[Burning_TowN]

There could ALSO be two Cops.

One even, one Odd. Same with Doctors. Same with Tracker. Probably the same with Vigs.

Just because you have a fetish for splitting power roles into even-odd modifiers doesn't mean anyone else does, Wake.

Cabd was the Town Even-Night Vigilante, Farside22 the Town Odd-Night Doctor, and Sharpest-knife-on-tree was the Town Even-Night Tracker.

Sorry, but now I really suspect Aegor and Juls. If BP flips Town, Aegor needs to die for sure. If he's Scum, sans an elaborate bussing attempt I would trust him a little more.I don't like how Juls' mentioned that the "Cop" should come out and take out Aegor one-for-one. She said "Cop," not Even or Odd Night Cop, too.

....Even if it's probably true. Well damn.

If BP's town, Aegor dies.

Aegor hasn't one damned good reason for saying BP is 0% Town, unless he's implying he's got a guilty on him.

Absolutely no one living is mod-confirmed Town.

TheWayItEnds is also extremely suspect if BP flips town for extreme sheeping. The fact that it's Scarab's slot isn't doing him/her any favors.

I will line up my own lynch. No joke. If BP flips town, I will 100% not accept any lynch tomorrow except my own. BP has done literally nothing town at all this entire game. He has flip-flopped on HS, me, and his own view on policy lynches. Alina suspected him, and is dead.

I am

telling

you that there is no chance whatsoever that he is town. This day will be better the shorter it is. REALLY, REALLY, trust me on this one.

If BP's town, Aegor dies.

Yes, yes. Now vote BP.

Aegor hasn't one damned good reason for saying BP is 0% Town, unless he's implying he's got a guilty on him.

Stop fishing. You are bad and should feel bad. I have presented extremely compelling reasons that BP is 0% town.

Absolutely no one living is mod-confirmed Town.

No kidding. But BP is scum. Scumscumscumscumscum.

Vote BP.

You're about to lose my vote too, Aegor, with all due respect. If he's not the cop then I can't blindly sheep him saying he's 1000% sure on BP.

You are not sheeping me blindly. I explained why BP is scum; my reasons are compelling. They do not rely on "feelings;" they do not rely on interpretation of posts. The case is factual. It is the strongest case yet presented.

VOTE BP NOW.

Aegor, you said there's 0% chance BP's Town.

You're also demanding people to vote him.

And you now say you're not the Cop.

Sum it up what your EXACT reasoning IS.

You are more than welcome to read the effing game.

VOTE BP NOW.

What the fuck is this even? Claimed non-cop but heavily implying guilty? I think it's more likely you're scum at this point.


VOTE: Aegor

Also Juls is pretty obviously town; anyone voting her at this point is clearly scumclaiming.

TWIE is now the towniest player in the game. That is good, because I was extremely ambivalent about Scarab.

Yeah, that's not gonna work, Scumfuck.

You were the one bullshitting with your obvious crumbs about BP needing to be lynched, yet when I point out how Goddamned obvious it was you turn around and say I'm trying to out PRs. Like what the fuck, are you serious?

If you flip Scum, Juls will become very suspect, which wouldn't surprise me if you're also white-knighting.

And why exactly is TWIE to you the towniest player here in your opinion?

I find it more likely that he's spreading false associations to confuse town rather than actually talking about his scumbuddy here.

~tn5421

[Burning_TowN]

Wait, someone just got hammered?

This town is terrible

B_E

[Burning_TowN]

BP's gonna flip town.

[Burning_TowN]

3. TheAdrienC
5. Wake88
6. Burning_TowN
7. shaddowez

At least one scum here, maybe two. I want to lynch AdrienC. I have wanted to all game. Please give me this! Please!

So it seems the scum is in this list.

Hum, let me think

B_E

[Burning_TowN]

Oh no that isn't right.

Yeah VOTE: Juls. No need to drag this out.

[Burning_TowN]

We are also Vanilla Town.

Crumb to Wake, with an invitation to question us.

~tn5421

[Burning_TowN]

I think wake is town because I know he knows how to be sneaky as scum and he's not doing that right now.

We claimed VT yesterday, Wake.

Scum probably think that Wake will misfire tonight and make their job easier.

~tn5421

[Burning_TowN]

I think it is shaddowez. Mostly because wake looks town and shaddowez isn't me; who's town

-B_E

[Burning_TowN]

but if wake vigs there won't be a tomorrow?

Stop overthinking it guys. Just vote me or shaddowez and wake can vig the other. Unless the other is me. In which case boooooooooooooo we lost. LOSING IS BAD.\

B_E

oopsie daisy

[Burning_TowN]

Oh

Well ok I was wrong. Let's just destroy me shaddowez and wake in any order.

Let's start with shaddowez VOTE: Shaddwez

*facepalm*

UNVOTE:

~tn5421

[Burning_TowN]

Sometimes I think my other head isn't much better than Boonskiies TBH, thats why I unvoted.

@Wake: Probably there is a role that can do both and a role that can't do both.

If he is really a scum commuter he's probably the role that can't do both.

Also: my other head didn't even spell the guys name right, I don't think
If nobody can come up with a better game plan, lynch shadow-ez and vig us.

VOTE: shaddowez


~tn5421