In post 355, Billi bilaði wrote:In post 340, Glass wrote:...
Bins wrote:@Billi - I like your reads chart a lot, I think it's really helpful. But those are Victor's reads, not mine, so they're probably going to change (hint hint).
I am actually starting to not like them a great deal, I think that they will help the mafia keep their story straight and also are likely incorrect on quite a few things since they are based on Billi's interpretation. I will say that what he has down for me is not entirely accurate, as I have not been 100% transparent with my reads.
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When you play a game like, f.ex., Bridge, you keep your cards close to you, but still try to give your partner as much information about your hand as is legal - knowing that the other pair of players get all that same information, and are allowed to question your partner on how he interprets your tells. The partner has to be able to back up his reads from your tells by the system you are playing, or else you're in trouble.
When you play a game with partners you have to trust the information you are given, and you have to believe in your skills to win although you are giving information to your opposition as well as to your posse.
I.e. I believe in the sharing of information.
When I started to play mafia I even called out for mass-claims in games, while I was still figuring out the pros and cons.
(Hence, I wanted to hear what others had to say about Victors call for massclaim before I judged it fully.)
So, I believe that my chart is giving out information that both sides can use, AND that it is better for all to have that information to share, and not keep players in the dark about how I see the game.
If my chart is wrong because you want to give your fellows wrong reads to work with, then my take on that is that you are not doing the best for the town.
Somebody (Mala?) said I was not giving out too much about what I conclude from the responses I get from my possible reaction-baiting posts. That may be true. But one thing I can say now from reading my chart: shaddowes has the highest score for being positive in his reads of others. That gives me an indication that he wants to stay on the good side of most players (although that doesn't seem to be working as well for him as it does for Glass).
I don't believe shaddowes can "keep his story straight" from this point on after this information is out.
PS: If the mafia needs information from the town to keep their stories straight, then they're not too interested in the game.
While I don't like claiming unless we have a mostly-clear path to victory from it, I agree with the general concept of open information and made a very similar point in another game regarding gameplay, so I'll just quote it here:
I clearly can't force anyone to give out their reads, but I will continue to give out mine, because maybe something I found will be the piece you're missing to complete your reads. I personally think that's how we strengthen and solidify reads as a whole.
Mafia already knows who town is, so we have a lot more to figure out than they do. We need all the help we can get.
Although I am still on Clusk/N_M, I do want to hear from shadowz, because the mistake in 363 is pretty sloppy.