Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

Cutty Shark · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:03 pm

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yeah

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:51 pm

In post 9, I have no creativity wrote:
In post 6, Baboon Pride wrote:VOTE: gossamer wings
VOTE: Ree
Hey, guys

double voter?

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: baboon pride

You think doublevoter's intrinsically more likely to be scum aligned?

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #13 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:02 pm

...Is this ika or beast? (I am guessing it's ika?

I've seen town doublevoters (I can name games off the top of my head with them). Does that change your opinion?

Also why are you third party hunting (esp. since you just straight up admitted you don't think mafia would have that role)? The non-neutral clause in the wincon implies that neutrals can (potentially) win with us.

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:14 pm

*headdesk* Well now I know it's ika

Let's break the wincon down:

I win when all non-town, non-neutral factions are dead.

A mafia member is non-town, non-neutral
A neutral person is non-town, neutral

The former is covered under the wincon
The latter is not

ergo a neutral player can be alive to win

But hey, let's say I was wrong (I'm not) and I misinterpreted it. How does my response imply I'm not town and not just wrong?

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #17 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:15 pm

In post 15, Baboon Pride wrote:Also, I don't think I've ever seen a scum doublevoter, but this entire conversation is far sillier than anyone realizes it is.

It's silly in the sense that he's objectively wrong and I'm right, yes.

Is the interaction silly?

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #21 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:23 pm

In post 19, I have no creativity wrote:how life?

I'm already missing the good ol' days of policy lynching for objectives

I'm good

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #24 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:25 pm

In post 20, Baboon Pride wrote:Well, you're discussing something that's not a real thing, because we're not actually a double voter. It was amusing, though.

Cool, but the discussion had very little to do with whether or not that was actually true, yeah?

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #31 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:32 pm

I am wary of the early town endorsements too; ultimately depends on who nashville dreams' heads are.
(please be nacho)

But I'm not really scumreading ika for anything that happened in that exchange
Don't know that I'd hard town yet but yeah, gut reads fine.

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #33 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:47 pm

VOTE: Nashville
You can start posting normally now ^_^
OffensiveGenitalStick, sheep us.
-signing posts is against my religion

Cutty Shark · Post Post #35 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:58 pm

You can have hmamer

Cutty Shark · Post Post #36 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:08 pm

I could've sworn you made that typo in X-Men
But I can't find it now

Cutty Shark · Post Post #39 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:34 pm

Then get on and make them start talking properly, O Great Dangly Bits of Wisdom.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #48 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:20 am

In post 44, Nashville Dreams wrote:Ika is also pinging the townradar as whereas is BeastCharazid. So that hydra is likely town as well.

What of that hydra's posts looks like beast so far? Nothing does to me

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #52 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:34 am

In post 49, The Fonz wrote:(Specifically - y'all should spot obvious post restrictions when you see 'em).

I've got a couple reasons why I don't think it's a post restriction:
1. This game was advertised as Normal with one bastard element. Post restrictions aren't Normal, and I doubt that the single bastard element is that one slot has to post in verse.
2. Since our vote, they've made two posts with no verse whatsoever and one in which they started with verse and then spoke normally.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #58 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:33 am

In post 56, I have no creativity wrote:You guys are boring so i am going to give a random read list:

town

Nashville Dreams(secret hydra)
Honey bee
Cutty Shark(borkjerfkin+SleepyKrew)
FourTrouble
5-Off
SuzumiyaHaruhi
The Fonz
I have no creativity(ika+beastcharizard)
gossamer wings(F-16_Fighting_Falcon+Tammy)
Baboon Pride(Ms Marangal+Cephrir)
Mr_Ree
Flubbernugget
Lissa

scum

/dicuss i may update it later

Dude am I going to have to deal with nothing but derpfuck crap from you all game?
(this is literally the alive players manifest on page 1 in order if people don't realize)

You were pretty obvtown from the getgo in X-men even if your play was unorthodox / opaque
Here you're basically just trolling and I want to know why

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #60 (isolation #15) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:41 am

In post 57, Baboon Pride wrote:I've got a net light townread on it though.

I don't really like #54; it's deflective when it rightly should be inquisitive (Compare to FT's reaction in #53 to the same post, which is what I'd have said if someone said a post of mine sucked and I was town / a post of someone else's sucked and I didn't agree and they didn't say why)

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #65 (isolation #16) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:46 am

In post 63, Baboon Pride wrote:@CS: It reminds me of a certain player in a certain ongoing game in some ways.

Considering I have no idea who either you (I mean I could probably make an slightly educated guess but meh) or your ongoing game person (rightly so) is

This doesn't really advance the read in any meaningful way for me

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #71 (isolation #17) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:52 am

In post 64, Nashville Dreams wrote:Also i don't see how faking a post restriction

I don't care about the PR in and of itself (with the caveat that you generate easily digestible content outside of it)

But if you respond to posts with lyrics and expect people to infer meaning from it (without making it really obvious via bold for short answers as I've seen you do), then it becomes a source of obfuscation and thus anti-town

Last thing I have to say about it.

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #72 (isolation #18) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:55 am

In post 71, Cutty Shark wrote:I don't care about [the hydra gimmick]

Fixed to be more based in reality

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #73 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:00 am

In post 65, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 63, Baboon Pride wrote:@CS: It reminds me of a certain player in a certain ongoing game in some ways.

Considering I have no idea who either you (I mean I could probably make an slightly educated guess but meh) or your ongoing game person (rightly so) is

This doesn't really advance the read in any meaningful way for me

-bork

I'm a moron I attributed the post I quoted to nashville

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #76 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:05 am

In post 69, Nashville Dreams wrote:Also all these today have been by the same head.

Today as in September 3rd or as in D1?

Yo ika, why haven't you asked for a massclaim yet?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #77 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:05 am

In post 75, Baboon Pride wrote:I have no clue why we made those particular votes. Wasn't me!

Then let the other gonad answer...?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #82 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:18 am

In post 80, I have no creativity wrote:also given the fact this is bastardised by some mechanic. i want o find what it is first then decide.

Why did you want a massclaim D1 in Thesp's game?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #84 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:34 am

In post 2, Natirasha wrote:This game has an unspecified bastard mechanic. Besides the mechanic, this setup is relatively 'normal'.

How is that different from the Twist game?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #87 (isolation #24) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:44 am

In post 85, I have no creativity wrote:Bork, if you trust me you will drop the line of questioning your taking. Your going down a path that should not be taken...

I'm signing posts; skrew isn't. I don't think I've missed any.

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #89 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:55 am

In post 87, Cutty Shark wrote:skrew isn't [signing posts]

In post 33, Cutty Shark wrote:-signing posts is against my religion

Yeah I'll drop it for now but we aren't done with this conversation.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #93 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:28 am

Yo Nashville

In post 76, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 69, Nashville Dreams wrote:Also all these today have been by the same head.

Today as in September 3rd or as in D1?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubbernugget

Cutty Shark · Post Post #127 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:08 pm

In post 105, Nashville Dreams wrote:Before you requoted it was the same head talking and just in that timeslot like hour or so. I already told you how to tell the heads apart. One is slanting the lyrics.

What I'm getting at is if the vote and unvote on us were the same head (there were no lyrics in either post)?

So how come more people aren't voting Flubbermcnugget?

This has been a post by borkhydra

Cutty Shark · Post Post #139 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:54 pm

In post 132, Nashville Dreams wrote:Oh no. The one head voted you and I took it off because I disagree with it.

Dear head that voted us,
Why did you vote us?
Yours truly,
idk who you are so idk if I'm yours

Cutty Shark · Post Post #143 (isolation #29) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:05 pm

In post 111, gossamer wings wrote:People who know how to read Tammy by Tone:

Nashville Dreams

Hey Tammeroo:

I'm not really one that can read you by tone (Think how Vesperia started out, but moreover ffery really had to pull me off you guys as we talked internally before I had to defer to playing peacemaker).

I'm cautiously optimistic about you guys. I generally like your engagement and the level of affront at ND's dismissal of your opening, but I am led to (and I feel like I get here every time I try to read you early,) this post in abyss where you just didn't give a fuck that your particular opening that one time wasn't super obvtown. I can't really responsibly do anything here besides wait until you get into the thick of it, I guess.

(Also I'm glad F-16 seems to have taken 346 to heart. That's going to save me a lot of headaches if you guys are town.)

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #144 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:08 pm

In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:My concern isn't with the word gimmick. It's that he tried to rectify his pr concern.

Nah man come out and play here:

1) What am I slipping that I know?
2) What does knowing that thing imply about my alignment and/or ND's, being the person I was talking about?
3) You obviously read the thread since you responded to something on page 3, pretty much in the middle of the thread at that point. Is that really the most relevant thing you had to comment on?

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #145 (isolation #31) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:09 pm

In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 124, 5-Off wrote:
In post 116, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 98, 5-Off wrote:
In post 92, Flubbernugget wrote:Slip?

Did you even read the post that was edited?

That's why I suggested it.

Do you understand how the word "gimmick" was being used in the edit?

My concern isn't with the word gimmick. It's that he tried to rectify his pr concern.

I owe you guys reads or at least a scumhunting question or two. Maybe tomorrow.

bork I think he caught you
I mean he hasn't said anything that isn't bs but he totally caught you
I'd like everyone to know that it was bork that was caught
Not me

AGH ONLY SIX QUOTES

Cutty Shark · Post Post #147 (isolation #32) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:13 pm

In post 146, gossamer wings wrote:I thought it was obvious I'm more amused about the opening thing. I said that I read a bunch of town openings and practiced to get it right. Which I certainly didn't do, but I'm pretty much having fun with it.

Was hard to tell tonally how you meant #108/#113/#115. Are you actually incredulous at the null read or are you just screwing around?

I got that #109 was a joke.

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #162 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:33 pm

In post 160, FourTrouble wrote:1v1? What's pro-town about that?

It's ika. Just ignore it for now.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #166 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

In post 163, gossamer wings wrote:I'm going to make a bet. And I bet there is scum in your neighborhood.

Dear god no

Cutty Shark · Post Post #171 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:36 pm

Oh I thought the bastard thing might be no VCs
Back to the drawing board

Cutty Shark · Post Post #180 (isolation #36) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:38 pm

You were told there's scum in your neighborhood? Guaranteed?
Out that shit. If you don't, you better have a fucking FANTASTIC reason that you can explain when it needs explaining.
Obviously consult in your hood before outing anything else.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #182 (isolation #37) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:38 pm

In post 179, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 169, FourTrouble wrote:We know -- or at least one of us was told -- that someone in the [hood] is scum.

Why the fuck wasn't this outed by said person in the main thread literally at start of game? That's pretty fucking pertinent info.

I gotta go to bed.

-b

I was just about to tell you that you might want to look at the thread again!

Cutty Shark · Post Post #186 (isolation #38) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:40 pm

In post 173, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 166, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 163, gossamer wings wrote:I'm going to make a bet. And I bet there is scum in your neighborhood.

Dear god no

I will be poised and try not to throw a fit if that's what you're dear god noing.

I was dear god noing the notion that PoEing a neighborhood is a legitimate scumhunting tactic.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #188 (isolation #39) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:41 pm

In post 185, Baboon Pride wrote:I would be a bit hesitant to take this without a grain of salt,

Why? Either they're telling the truth or they're lying and

they're

the scum in the hood.

Anyway bed for realsies now (I just wanted to show off my title I definitely didn't hydra slip accidentally)

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #190 (isolation #40) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:43 pm

In post 189, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 186, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 173, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 166, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 163, gossamer wings wrote:I'm going to make a bet. And I bet there is scum in your neighborhood.

Dear god no

I will be poised and try not to throw a fit if that's what you're dear god noing.

I was dear god noing the notion that PoEing a neighborhood is a legitimate scumhunting tactic.

I just feel sure there's scum there, but if they don't even know who is in their neighborhood then well

This is always always always mod WIFOM
This is even WIFOMier because Nati uses "treat Neighbors as Masons" when playing.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #198 (isolation #41) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:47 pm

In post 193, gossamer wings wrote:So then you can counter my bet that there's scum in there!

I was speaking generally. We're pretty sure there's scum in there because of whatever wonky stuff they have going on.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #201 (isolation #42) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:49 pm

Explain the mechanics of the neighborhood please.
You have a thread but don't know who all has access to it? And someone (should probably tell us who this is) said that they have mod-info that one of the people in the hood is scum?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #225 (isolation #43) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:59 pm

5-off's in it and is the one that said there's a scum.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #233 (isolation #44) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:02 pm

In post 227, FourTrouble wrote:I'm ready to watch I have no creativity hang. F-16, help me lynch 'em?

That's hilarious

So 5-off...

Cutty Shark · Post Post #236 (isolation #45) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:02 pm

In post 230, I have no creativity wrote:
In post 223, I have no creativity wrote:im posting this to clarify things as ease. if im wrong on anything correct me.

ppl in nehgborhood (claimed)

Baboon Pride
FourTrouble
Lissa
5-Off

are not in it

Cutty Shark
I have no creativity
gossamer wings
Flubbernugget

undecided

Nashville Dreams(secret hydra)
Honey bee
SuzumiyaHaruhi
The Fonz
Mr_Ree

updated

Why did Flubbernugget move?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #237 (isolation #46) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:03 pm

In post 232, gossamer wings wrote:Shake your groove thing
shake your groove thing
yeah yeah

wtf

Cutty Shark · Post Post #247 (isolation #47) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:06 pm

In post 244, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 239, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 227, FourTrouble wrote:I'm ready to watch I have no creativity hang. F-16, help me lynch 'em?

I don't have a read on them yet. Still thinking about it.
~ F-16

Consider: in the past few pages, they've just summarized shit and threatened me.

hilarious again!

Cutty Shark · Post Post #253 (isolation #48) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:08 pm

In post 245, 5-Off wrote:
In post 233, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 227, FourTrouble wrote:I'm ready to watch I have no creativity hang. F-16, help me lynch 'em?

That's hilarious

So 5-off...

So 5-off what?

Also, how do I clear my quote button? Every time I press it, it automatically adds everything I've previously quoted.

Also, what is pedit?

Was asking if you were gambitting. You've since stated you're not.
Too tired to understand your quote thing.
Preview edit. If something gets posted in between you starting a post and hitting submit, it lets you edit your post before submitting again.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #256 (isolation #49) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:09 pm

In post 243, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 237, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 232, gossamer wings wrote:Shake your groove thing
shake your groove thing
yeah yeah

wtf

sorry my bad

We're in the middle of actually relevant discussion and you come in here with this shit
seriously wtf

Cutty Shark · Post Post #266 (isolation #50) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:14 pm

In post 261, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 256, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 243, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 237, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 232, gossamer wings wrote:Shake your groove thing
shake your groove thing
yeah yeah

wtf

sorry my bad

We're in the middle of actually relevant discussion and you come in here with this shit
seriously wtf

I already told you there's scum in the neighborhood. Just adding some spice.

So all you're contributed to this discussion is a) useless distracting noise and b) more useless noise

Cutty Shark · Post Post #268 (isolation #51) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:15 pm

In post 265, gossamer wings wrote:Would like Bork's thoughts on I have no creativity.
~ F-16

Town.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #274 (isolation #52) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:19 pm

In post 271, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 268, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 265, gossamer wings wrote:Would like Bork's thoughts on I have no creativity.
~ F-16

Town.

Can you elaborate?
~ F-16

The PT/QT question for two reasons:
Trying to use the PT system to figure out how many neighbors there are is town-motivated (though he was wrong because PTs don't work that way, but we're focusing on intent)
If they were scum, they'd know if Nati was using PTs or QTs

Cutty Shark · Post Post #276 (isolation #53) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:21 pm

Remind me to respond to 272 tomorrow.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #278 (isolation #54) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:23 pm

I'm typically only condescending to people I don't like though

Cutty Shark · Post Post #279 (isolation #55) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:23 pm

Well I'm jokingly condescending all the time but that's different

Cutty Shark · Post Post #283 (isolation #56) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:29 pm

In post 280, gossamer wings wrote:Then you can doubly save whatever you were going to say!

You don't want my serious game relevant non condescending answer?
:/

Cutty Shark · Post Post #285 (isolation #57) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:30 pm

In post 284, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 281, gossamer wings wrote:Seriously don't respond. I'm already annoyed with you and all you will do is annoy me further and I'd rather be able to work with your hydra.

Ugh.

this is tammy or Falcon?

^The Tammy Hunter, everyone

Cutty Shark · Post Post #290 (isolation #58) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:34 pm

Yeah I'm going to hold off till tomorrow

Cutty Shark · Post Post #297 (isolation #59) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:40 pm

Jesus christ Tammy calm down.
I said I have

game relevant

(meaning

not playstyle

) stuff

Cutty Shark · Post Post #312 (isolation #60) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:15 am

I'm content to leave Fonz alone for a day because of a thing

Baboon wrote:Lynches outside the neighborhood isn't happening. Try again

Why? Now that I know it's a large hood, you have a guarantee of 1 scum in 4 people. That's hardly 'must lynch in this group' country

I don't get where you're going with FourTrouble either

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #315 (isolation #61) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:19 am

In case it wasn't clear by the use of 'a thing', don't really want to talk about it.

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #316 (isolation #62) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:21 am

In post 312, Cutty Shark wrote:you have a guarantee of 1 scum in 4 people.

And this is even excepting the case where there's a silent silent partner that just hasn't posted (because you allegedly don't have a full manifest of people in hood?)
In which case you don't have a guarantee of anything

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #321 (isolation #63) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:33 am

In post 317, Baboon Pride wrote:pedit: yeah, mostly. What about FT do you not get, and what has he even done that's town?

Not really interested in defending him right now, I'm trying to understand where

you're

coming from on your #298.

OMGUS is a useless smokescreen. I generally don't give a shit if a person suspects a person that suspects them, or even because they suspect them. FT called you out for having some reads that he can't see the reasoning behind - I read his ISO and that much seems pretty clear to me.

Gotta go to lunch I'll be around after

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #330 (isolation #64) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:51 am

In post 323, Baboon Pride wrote:and, well ok. I guess, though you don't think it's weird his activity picked up considerably after I noted that he was likely scum?

Maybe. I didn't really get it into my head until you called attention to it just how big the portion of his ISO happened as recently as 12 hours ago.

Maybe my biggest deal with FT is the constant attempts at getting validation from F-16 (and I get this because I know they know each other) but without really having attempted to sort the slot as far as I can see.

I dunno. Skrew and I are kinda still both just kinda going 'idk' at each other over skype

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #331 (isolation #65) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:59 am

Hood people - how active were MaraCeph and FT in the hood before, say around 11 PM CDT (GMT-5) last night?

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #363 (isolation #66) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:46 am

In post 355, FourTrouble wrote:Anatole, why is I have no creativity not in your scum pile?

Anything to say to #274?

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #365 (isolation #67) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:49 am

In post 362, The Fonz wrote:To whit: At the point where FT entered the game, non-random things were happening - there were actual issues in the game. FT appears and random votes, without commenting on anything. This indicates a lack of town motive versus the alternative scenario where they enter and in some way interact with what's happening in the game.

How did you construe FT's vote as random?

Also thoughts on Flubber who entered the game somewhat similarly?

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #366 (isolation #68) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:51 am

In post 364, Mr_Ree wrote:(but seriously, hey, long time no see)

Dunno if this was to me or Mara but sup man

It's been a long time since micro, uh, 11. wow.

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #370 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:54 am

In post 367, FourTrouble wrote:Like I said, I'm reevaluating IHNC

FT wrote:Anatole, why is I have no creativity not in your scum pile?

?
This looks like a leading question with the implication that he should be in said scum pile

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #374 (isolation #70) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:00 am

In post 372, FourTrouble wrote:Anatole's list of people putting badly-reasoned votes on me also included IHNC.

was missing this part, that's fine

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #457 (isolation #71) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:07 am

In post 455, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 449, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Yeah - I've played with you and mara (and ceph as part of a hydra I think) and know what you guys look like as town from Timeshift. Ironically, in that game Mara was what she is calling FourT scum for - reactive, passive. That caught me off guard and is giving me a gut scum read for that hydra.

VOTE: Baboon Pride

This is dead on. Just skimming through that game, huge difference in Mara's play here.

This is armchair meta and inherently not accurate, much less sheepable. Qualify this with some examples or I'm dismissing this as confbias. I'd like to hear from both FT and AK on that. I think meta has a place, but I am generally uncomfortable with people just skimming a one game and seeing the answer they want to see and deciding that's good enough. It's not.

I don't think proactivity/reactivity is a scumtell.

In fact most of this game is just really reachy cases on people and I am disinclined to vote a major wagon right now and can't get a really proper foothold about what the interaction between FT/BP is other than the generic 'it's probably not SvS'.

@Honey bee: I don't think there was anything scummy about Fonz' interaction with Lissa in #49. It's not a hedge, it's a tempering of a read due to extenuating circumstances. The hesitance to vote point = scummy is weak (not only because that's not true) but also because he did vote in that post, just for someone else.

Flubber's entrance still sucked donkey balls.

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #460 (isolation #72) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:10 am

That's only true if she is aware that her play in that game was in fact reactive (and even agrees with that sentiment, to boot)

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #464 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:13 am

I'm not doing your work on this for you.

Also this is more posts from her in the same game. Did you even realize this?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=23740

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #465 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:14 am

In post 463, FourTrouble wrote:This is Mara's first post in the game.

This is Mara's second post in the game:

yeah wrong

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #470 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:17 am

she was

pushing

mollie

this took me 30 seconds to discern

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #473 (isolation #76) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:19 am

God I can always count on mollie to hydra slip

that's the only reason I even knew which slot was hers

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #474 (isolation #77) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:21 am

So looks like the mollie slot was town and people were townreading her and ignoring mara's scumread

So if you want to marginalize that to 'bickering' then sure

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #476 (isolation #78) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:24 am

I am really losing track what you're trying to argue here, Anatole.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #478 (isolation #79) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:29 am

I agree with the b), I think the FT case is weak. Just not sure it makes them scum.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #480 (isolation #80) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:40 am

Yo Tammy
So I slept and thought it over and talked to bork and I think I was just heat of the moment super paranoia over reacting. Sorry that you thought it was a personal attack. Let's be friends again?
SleepyKrew

We now return to your regularly scheduled bork posts

Cutty Shark · Post Post #482 (isolation #81) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:43 am

I think his posts have been reasonable. Minor town.

I think I get his #341 (probably the post I like best of his) - lauding someone for defusing an early game argument that could have blown up is a legitimate point (Skrew thought Nashville's stance on me vs ika was too firm, I don't really agree)

also *reasons*

-bork

Cutty Shark · Post Post #494 (isolation #82) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:18 am

<3 Tammy

Anatole, trying to make the hood the lynchpool is bad because what if the scum just hadn't posted? And you're trying to line up lynches in the hood too just stop.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #499 (isolation #83) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:36 am

In post 330, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 323, Baboon Pride wrote:and, well ok. I guess, though you don't think it's weird his activity picked up considerably after I noted that he was likely scum?

Maybe. I didn't really get it into my head until you called attention to it just how big the portion of his ISO happened as recently as 12 hours ago.

Maybe my biggest deal with FT is the constant attempts at getting validation from F-16 (and I get this because I know they know each other) but without really having attempted to sort the slot as far as I can see.

I dunno. Skrew and I are kinda still both just kinda going 'idk' at each other over skype

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This hasn't really changed overall

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #500 (isolation #84) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:37 am

Anatole, could you clear something up for us? Are you suggesting we lynch in the hood until we hit scum?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #501 (isolation #85) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:39 am

I am also keeping past experiences that I can actually remember offhand (Lucky in Micro 188, Thor in Walking Dead) where I didn't bite on a case of yours and you turned out to be right anyway in mind.

I just am really not feeling it yet even though I'm townreading you. Not sure what to else say about it.

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p-edit @mara

Cutty Shark · Post Post #503 (isolation #86) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:47 am

And why did you want to do this? Because of 5-off, or just because large hoods typically have scum?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #506 (isolation #87) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:58 am

Will consider. Gamestate needs more maturity first.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #507 (isolation #88) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:16 am

In post 451, Anatole Kuragin wrote:If there's scum in the neighborhood (which there likely is)

How come you said "likely"?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #509 (isolation #89) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:24 am

That doesn't answer why you said likely instead of being definite.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #511 (isolation #90) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:02 am

I'm confused.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #516 (isolation #91) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:33 am

In post 515, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 511, Cutty Shark wrote:I'm confused.

Yeah, I don't know what you're trying to get at either.

You said there's likely scum in the hood and I want to know why you said likely instead of being more sure.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #518 (isolation #92) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:56 am

In post 517, Anatole Kuragin wrote:how could I be sure?

You were confident that 5-off was either telling the truth or scum, right?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #521 (isolation #93) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:58 am

5-off has stated multiple times that this is not a gambit, so that means either he's town and telling the truth or he himself is scum. Either way, there IS scum in the hood.

PEDIT: I'm more confused ^_^ and this is probably going nowhere anyway but I want to pursue it because

Cutty Shark · Post Post #523 (isolation #94) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:59 am

In post 520, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Yes, I think it's a definite possibility that there is scum in the neighborhood, but it's possible that the scum in the neighborhood may not be known to be in the neighborhood.

That's unrelated to what I'm asking, which is why did you leave room for doubt about scum being in the hood when I think you should have been sure.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #524 (isolation #95) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:01 am

In post 522, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Does definite possibility mean definitely or definitely a possibility? Regardless, there's no way there's not scum UNLESS it's a really shitty anti-town gambit as I mentioned previously - but I find that very unlikely.

Well you're the one that said definite possibility first, but I'd take it to mean "it's definitely a possibility" because I wouldn't call something a possibility if it was definite.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #526 (isolation #96) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:05 am

In post 525, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Yeah, I basically just kept confusing myself. There's no way there isn't scum in the neighborhood.

Right, so I want you to explain to me why you said "likely" in 451. Just talk me through what you were thinking.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #530 (isolation #97) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:15 am

Yes, thanks. Now I need to figure out what I'm doing.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #536 (isolation #98) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:02 pm

In post 534, Baboon Pride wrote:Also waiting for people to realize that FT asked us to sign our posts, because he couldn't figure out who was posting when, and what but then, when F-16 talked to him about Cephrir, he was able to say that he was focusing on
my
posts and [/i]my[/i] reasons and focusing more on me, and able to realize that, even though he didn't know who was posting what to begin with.

Thanks for reminding me about this.
FT?

Cutty Shark · Post Post #634 (isolation #99) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:29 am

In post 609, Nashville Dreams wrote:No. My final answer is you were buddying Baboon. Egging him to vote Four. How hard is it for you to type what you think Baboon and Four fighting is?

I see absolutely no evidence of this

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Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:31 am

In post 605, gossamer wings wrote:This will be my last interaction with you unless you prove to me that you are actually reading my posts.

Also, I don't give a flying fuck what you what me to type on the screen. I don't jump because you say so. I don't give opinions on things I don't have yet.

This post was a huge vesperia flashback for me (being I was the one in ND's position then) and has strengthened my read on you

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Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:34 am

In post 592, FourTrouble wrote:Yes, I think you are wrong. You're saying Baboon is town. I'm saying they're not. You're saying they lack "scum intent." I'm saying the "scum intent" is lynching town (me). You're discounting the "certainty" point because they lack "scum intent." I'm saying you are giving too much weight to "scum intent." This is straight-forward. We disagree on Baboon's alignment. This disagreement stems, it seems, from the amount of weight you're giving to Baboon's seeming "lack of scum intent."

That doesn't mean I'm only interested in your thoughts as a reflection of mine. What I'd love to hear is how Baboon's thought process isn't contrived. I'd love to hear about that. That would actually address MY point. But you're not even addressing what I'm saying. You're giving me this bullshit, "they lack scum intent" response, as if that addresses the points I'm making. Which it doesn't.

I'm pissed off that you're responding this way. It's bullshit. I almost never write out that much shit, and when I do, it fucking sucks to have someone say, "I'm not reading what you wrote because the first 2 lines disagreed with me." No fucking shit they disagreed with you. That's the whole fucking point of making a wall. We disagree on a fundamental level, and I felt like engaging you on a deeper level. But obviously you don't want to do that, you haven't done that all game, and that's fucked up. You're not addressing any of the substantive points I've made, throughout the game. All you've done is skirt around what I'm saying.

I've actually addressed YOUR points directly. When you made a post about Baboon's tone, I agreed that their tone in one of those posts was towny. I gave attention and interest to the things YOU were saying. Have you done that? No. So fuck off with this "you're only interested in my thoughts as a reflection of yours" bullshit.

this post really feels town to me. The anger is because he's being ignored. Scum don't have nearly as much to be angry about when that happens.

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Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:46 am

In post 554, Honey bee wrote:And @bork you mean 51? It's voting where your suspicions lie is the problem. I believe the person who taught me this described it as “not voting like a townie” and I promise you many scum are guilty of it. Do you want examples? I can give them to you.

It comes down to how scummy he thought FT was at the time (and rereading #362 is a rather lackluster post-justification for it). Would still prefer we didn't lynch him today at this point.

Although: Fonz I don't ever recall you answering my question about how/why you thought FT's vote was random such that you voted him for it. You also haven't interacted with my slot in any meaningful way the whole game which I guess is kinda weird; you've just kinda called us town for page 1 stuff and ignored both us and IHNC

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Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:47 am

In post 638, FourTrouble wrote:There was one point I didn't understand, when he was questioning Anatole about his word choice (the "likely"/"definitely" issue), but that I don't think that was a huge deal.

I'm gonna have to defer to skrew for an explanation on this one as it was his line of questioning

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Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:24 pm

In post 640, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 638, FourTrouble wrote:There was one point I didn't understand, when he was questioning Anatole about his word choice (the "likely"/"definitely" issue), but that I don't think that was a huge deal.

I'm gonna have to defer to skrew for an explanation on this one as it was his line of questioning

-b

It didn't give me what I wanted, but it gave me more than I expected.

In post 643, Nashville Dreams wrote:Since you think the hood has a scum, give a name please.

Can you cut this shit out please?

Fonz, we voted him because his first post was bad and weird and awkward and scummy and he never rectified that. It's unfortunate that he replaced out, but that doesn't change anything. Saying we're voting him for lurking is just wrong.

Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:42 pm

In post 647, The Fonz wrote:And you left the vote on him after he flaked, and it's still there. That's weird. If you were trying to recruit other people to wagon him, I'd have had fewer concerns.

I mean, at the moment, I don't actually see what you think is scummy about Flub's entry, (and it is not like FT's at all). To be clear, I just don't understand at all what Flub was trying to accuse you of in that post - it doesn't make any sense to me - so it's hard for me to glean anything from it in terms of town/scum mindset other than that he's minimally willing to challenge people from the get-go.

I'm pretty sure we've both outlined what we thought was scummy about it, but the gist of it was that he clearly read the thread (as he referenced something from the middle), picked out something objectively benign, made a really weak baiting post about it, and ignored everything else.

And it's both 1) That is scummy and 2) I don't see somewhere I'd rather be. My vote would be there if it did.

I mean you're acting like we knew that we'd get absolutely no feedback from his slot from the vote and he'd continue to lurk.

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Cutty Shark · Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:45 pm

Tebow wrote:

I didn't misrepresent a thing.
Borf
could quite easily have thought about the merits and drawbacks of massclaim himself and given his opinion, instead he asks CTD to do the intellectual legwork for him.

Lol at the two independent misreadings of my name 2 years apart

I have no idea how I remembered that

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #654 (isolation #107) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:01 pm

In post 651, The Fonz wrote:I am acting like your vote is literally still there close to two full days after he has requested replacement.

Yep.

Flubber wrote:And describing your post as 'objectively benign' is strange, because for whatever reason, he subjectively thought it was scummy - I think - which is what matters. Again, I don't actually understand what he was saying. Do you?

He was saying I slipped about something and that slip was, apparently, alignment indicative.

If you can think of a thing that actually fits that description in that instance then I'll withdraw the 'objectively benign' point.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #670 (isolation #108) » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:40 am

Hey Fonz
Why would a scumread replacing out necessitate unvoting that scumread?

Cutty Shark · Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:50 pm

Been watching football all day and would like to continue doing so - will get back into the thick of it tomorrow / D1 mist is starting to get to me - need to probably do a hard reset and coordinate reads with skrew

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #709 (isolation #110) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:43 am

Here's where I am on people:

Town

Lissa

: Basically I see three options

a) Lissa is town legitimately didn't have anything in her role PM about scum in the hood and wasn't afraid to say so
b) Lissa is scum who didn't have anything in her role about scum in the hood but was willing to take the chance that everyone else's role PM didn't look like 5-offs and it paid off
c) Lissa is scum who has some sort of thing in her role PM that exactly one person in the hood knows how many scum are in the hood
I think a is incredibly more likely than either b or c.

Tammy/F-16

: I have been seeing hints of Tammy town meta all game, but the thing that really gets me on reread is this post:

Spoiler:

This is almost carbon copy how they interacted with my slot in Vesperia after we did a (imo) really soft suspect of them. I remember thinking two things: 1) Tammy is overreacting like hell (which I am using here not to admonish her but to show how I think she has precedent for doing this) and 2) If this is fake it is a level of emotional manipulation ["Let's avoid each other from now on"] that I think is almost too, I dunno, unsportsmanlike. I think it is incredibly more likely these words were said in a bout of frustration.

Want to acknowledge that I like what F-16 is doing too even if I don’t trust myself to read him correctly (and our interaction this game is nothing like our interaction in 346 but that’s easily explained by the fact that he’s reading me correctly this time)

Mara/Ceph:

There's a lot going on here, but I think the gist is that they're genuinely pursuing what they believe is FT scum. 25 was the first town hint I had on them really early, but since then I've seen I good amount of interaction with most slots. 161 looked town too - I feel like scum might've felt they needed to justify all their reads right then and there, if not to FT then to the rest of the game.

I guess I just literally don't see anything scummy here. I don't buy anything related to mara's meta (in the sense that she's markedly different from timeshift II, but more on that later

Leaning Town

IHNC

: I had them as strong town due to the manner in which they asked the question about QT vs PT, which is something I don't think would have even occurred to scum who already knew which of the PT/QT systems we were using. The read is getting stale and it’s tempered a bit because of what F-16 brought up about minor inconsistencies about their take on the BP vs FT thing so they’re here and not up one.

Fonz

: I talked about him earlier and don’t want to rehash that; maybe one niggle I have on him is that he should be able to see that although our vote is kinda stale (and I admit this), I actively said that if I had a better spot for it that it would be there, which is pretty much his own position on FT. I think he feels his vote is permissible because FT is a major wagon and Flub is not, but I would hope he can see where I’m coming from here.\

FT

: I am the least comfortable with this read, but every time I feel like he’s trying to appease people (and I think there’s a decent amount of this in his ISO) he drops something like fucking 592 which reads town as fuck. I wish Baboon and FT would reevaluate or back off for a bit or do something else and see how they feel. I see small niggles of uncertainty in FT about Baboon every once in a while, which makes me think he earnestly is trying to read them.

Barely leaning town

5-off

: role claim. In fact regarding the neighborhood: as such that there is a chance that there is mystery member #5 and/or some weird FakeGodesque thing where scum can see the PT but not post in it, I want to avoid finagling my reads on BP/FT/5-off/Lissa so that there has to be one scum there. It's too early in the game for that kind of stuff.

Null

Ree:

*shrug*

Honey Bee:

Not enough there to make any stance I'm really comfortable with. Her activity level here is commensurate with her activity level elsewhere on site.

Leaning Scum

Flubber

: ISO me. I’ve said all I really feel I want to say on them (and I acknowledge it's going nowhere for the moment)

Anatole

: I hate the way that Anatole is presenting Mara’s meta. The point he’s been making is that Mara is pushing FT for something that is both 1) untrue and 2) something that Mara did herself when town (debatable) and more importantly is AWARE she did when town (I’d hazard to even say doubtful). I’ve asked for some elaboration and he came back with ‘well she bickered with Mollie the whole time [and other people thought that (irrelevant)]' but you see absolutely no hints of that in what she’s doing here with FT? Isn’t what she is actually doing compared to her meta much more relevant to the discussion than the secondary argument about what she is or is not aware of in her own meta?

Nashville

: I haven’t understood their angle on Tammy the whole game, and I definitely don’t buy that GW’s recent interaction with FT is ‘buddying baboon’ or even has anything to do with Baboon. This looks like a narrative to make Tammy look scummy for being in the middle of the argument (which is barely what is happening here), where it just looks to me that it’s a combination of trying to get a handle on both sides of it and Tammy getting pissed about people trying to tell her how to scumhunt.

And I seriously don’t believe that Tammy’s 580 was enough to go from “both our slots are consensus reading tammy as leaning town” to “Ima vote these sumbitches cause buddying”

Also outside of Tammy they’ve done pretty much done no scumhunting. I see some reads but I see few explanations.

VOTE: Nashville

This has been hopefully the only wall I’ll make all game.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #711 (isolation #111) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:53 am

In post 710, gossamer wings wrote:
In post 554, Honey bee wrote:And @bork you mean 51? It's voting where your suspicions lie is the problem. I believe the person who taught me this described it as “not voting like a townie” and I promise you many scum are guilty of it. Do you want examples? I can give them to you.

I'd like to see those examples.

~ F-16

I would too just to more clearly see what exactly you're trying to argue here

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #713 (isolation #112) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:56 am

In post 703, gossamer wings wrote:And of its Bert fuck you. I actually wanted to keep from playing with you after time shift for awhile. You tell me right now if you're Bert, so I know to avoid you like the plague.

Fairly certain it's not Bert (I don't think Bert would try to read me on meta 2 pages into the game)

I might know who itali-head is but my stance on this is the same stance I had in GIF's touhou game with waynegg -- they desired to be anonymous, the mod agreed, and I am going respect the desire for privacy.

But I'm going to outright ignore any arguments they make about "I've got meta on yooooooooou~!"

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #714 (isolation #113) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:58 am

In post 712, Anatole Kuragin wrote:it's that she's fabricating reasons to find guilt and it's obviously disingenuous because the attitude she found suspicious and ascribed guilt to is the same attitude she had as town.

I am not missing the point.

I have asked you multiple times to

1) show me how this is true (outside of really vague things like 'she was bickering with Mollie' - how does that even map to 'she is passive')
2) show me how she is aware that she played like this and is therefore hypocritical and not just ignorant?

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #715 (isolation #114) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:04 am

I mean here's another excerpt I pulled up in like 15 seconds:

Mara wrote:Pedit: what of it?

there is absolutely nothing in my play that should make mollie think "holy shit, mara is scum", and she should be thinking the exact opposite. It's blatantly obvious that I have been making posts that would bring pretty much nothing but attention to my slot, and I have never had the guts to do that as scum, because of what my mindset tends to be as scum, town, and PR

So I really doubt that her own view of her play is that it was passive or reactive

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #717 (isolation #115) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:15 am

Having a hydra player abandon me would probably demotivate me too, and I think that's a very different case than being passive out of the gate, but either way the more important thing is that I don't think your position on her is particularly tenable, nor do I think you're evaluating the fact that her actual play this game looks a lot like exactly what she was doing with mollie back there.

What are your other reads?

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #719 (isolation #116) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:17 am

I gathered that from you posting that a few posts ago. Anything else?

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #723 (isolation #117) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:33 am

In post 720, Anatole Kuragin wrote:I basically mislynch 100% of my games day 1 so I'm trying to reign that in a bit and focus on townreads early. I'm pretty happy with these townreads though.

Feels like a cop out man. I was wrong before => any scumhunting I might do D1 is likely going to be fruitless?

Like I'm partially townhunting too. Townhunting is awesome. It's not mutually exclusive with scumhunting.

You obviously are emitting a scumread on Baboon and have mentioned the cases on FT were bad. You were able to make these posts right as you came in. Why the cold feet now?

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #724 (isolation #118) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:34 am

In post 722, gossamer wings wrote:but when one head says they've had a conversation with me about how I scumhunt someone and is trying to tie it to my alignment here, that's garbage.

Yeah, I understand.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #725 (isolation #119) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:43 am

In post 450, The Fonz wrote:asking Baboon to explain something that he'd clearly worded in such a way as to imply that discussion of it would be anti-town

Fonz, I think this is a particular thing that makes FT more town, not less.

Also if scum turn out to have daytalk you should be getting a negative connection between FT and me here.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #729 (isolation #120) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:53 am

In post 727, FourTrouble wrote:Cutty, what do you mean I'm trying to appease people? Which posts? I'm not doubting you think that but I'm curious what a coming off that way.

Was unsure how seriously you were taking my #367 was the root of that.

Otherwise rereading your ISO that point was probably a little unfair of me to make.

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #730 (isolation #121) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:53 am

In post 728, gossamer wings wrote:Scum have day talk.

Because neighborhood does?

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #732 (isolation #122) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:54 am

I always fucking miss that shit

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #734 (isolation #123) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:55 am

Mainly cause cabd and nat (now) are the only ones who ever put that there

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #738 (isolation #124) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:41 am

Attention bork + plebs
SleepyKrew announcement
Not feeling well. Not abandoning you. Please don't become passive. Don't ever become passive.

Cutty Shark · Post Post #739 (isolation #125) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:42 am

Also I wonder if anyone else noticed that Csareo replaced Flubber

Cutty Shark · Post Post #749 (isolation #126) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:51 am

In post 746, Nashville Dreams wrote:I'm currently working to figuring out those who I have played with prior and then work the way down the line because I rather work with someone whom I know and trust to be town rather than work with a newer player whom I have no skill in reading and be totally blindsided.

I see no evidence that you actually feel this way considering you've pretty much ignored me the whole game

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #800 (isolation #127) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:41 am

Can you define 'identity'? I'm assuming that doesn't include alignment?

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p-edit: what he said

Cutty Shark · Post Post #803 (isolation #128) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:44 am

So role names or just flavor names

Like say I'm a guy and my flavor name is 'Jerry' and my role is 'Town Bulletproof Miller Vig'

what would your role PM say about them

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #806 (isolation #129) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:46 am

Oh

whoopdeeshit then I guess considering the flavor is entirely arbitrary

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #808 (isolation #130) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:48 am

Can't speak for anyone else, but I would love to know how anyone would possibly get any alignment related info from my character's name

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #811 (isolation #131) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:49 am

In fact, I'll claim it

Georgio. Just Georgio.

Good luck with that shit

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #816 (isolation #132) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:53 am

I mean this is below fruit vendor levels of useful

The role is at least legit the flavor he gave 'action star' fits my PM

but honestly what is this helping with

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #817 (isolation #133) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:54 am

In post 815, Csareo wrote:It isn't reliable. I actually know your character as well. Claim, mate.

This is a thing that's gonna catch scum right here

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #837 (isolation #134) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:25 am

Dude just stop. We've confirmed your role is legitimate and it tells us nothing about your alignment.

Have you read any of the game? Reads?

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #889 (isolation #135) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:50 pm

My stance on Csareoeososo now that that's all said and done:

Predecessor was scummy.

Current slot holder is playing, uh, let's say 'suboptimally', but I honestly don't see any scum motivation for doing what he did today when he did it. I do see the potential for town motivation in trying to catch people in a lie, but the execution was silly enough that it was pretty obvious he was going to get nothing out of it. I believe the role is real, regardless of his alignment.

Wouldn't miss him if we was gone, but probably not my top anymore. Would lynch (Nashville / Anatole) before. Ceph's reads match up pretty well with mine (sans FT)

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #937 (isolation #136) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:21 am

In post 926, 5-Off wrote:
In post 811, Cutty Shark wrote:In fact, I'll claim it

Georgio. Just Georgio.

Good luck with that shit

-b

How did you know that your name was one of the 4 that he received at random?

I didn't. I was illustrating that I had a flavor name that revealed dick, alignmentwise

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Cutty Shark · Post Post #944 (isolation #137) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:25 am

thank you for telling us that in thread hydra dissonance is bad without actually giving a read

Cutty Shark · Post Post #946 (isolation #138) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:33 am

In post 945, Anatole Kuragin wrote:thank you for telling me that not giving a read is bad without actually giving a read

We've called you scum in our last few reads posts.
You've called Nashville ??? in ???
But here this might help
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Anatole

Cutty Shark · Post Post #948 (isolation #139) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:36 am

Also I just want to be on the record about this because I'm PRINCIPLED:
Mala, I hope you realize how shitty trying to crumb your identity to certain people in a secret hydra is. And trying to bring up private conversations without publicly revealing first.

PEDIT: we're always wrong on D1 anyway lol

Cutty Shark · Post Post #950 (isolation #140) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:39 am

In post 946, Cutty Shark wrote:You've called Nashville ??? in ???

(this was avoided)

Cutty Shark · Post Post #952 (isolation #141) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:43 am

Then you could have said null?
Though not really a fan of the reads you do have because "lol always wrong D1 whatever"

Cutty Shark · Post Post #954 (isolation #142) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:46 am

For those that haven't been paying attention to Anatole:
Anatole: scumread Baboon because Mara meta
bork: your meta is wrong and bad
Anatole: well I still scumread Baboon but I always mislynch D1 so it doesn't matter

Cutty Shark · Post Post #957 (isolation #143) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:53 am

Mala:

The problem I'm having with you is that outside of your interaction with Tammy, I have absolutely no idea of your view on the gamestate.

You picked me out as town on page 2 and have said you want to work with your townreads. You've not yet reached out to me even after I pointed it out. What are you waiting for? What are your other reads?

This actually reminds me a bit of the false positive I got on you in 188 where you didn't do much the whole game either.

-b

Cutty Shark · Post Post #964 (isolation #144) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:50 am

In post 962, Nashville Dreams wrote:You on the other hand got paranoid of both notty and I in desp's game and then lylo lynched us without giving me a chance to talk.

No. That was entirely based on my flawed assumption that the game was 14v3v3 and not 15v3v2. Based on neighborhood comp, you literally HAD to be scum in a 14v3v3 setup at that point.

You know why I went and blitzed Cloud 9 and not you guys? Because I was that sure you were town that (again, based on my flawed understanding of the setup) that I thought both C9 and Toog HAD to be scum.

It's also a little hypocritical of you to say I didn't give you a chance to talk considering that NS crossvoted me there. You just happened to be the one that got lynched.

I'm not really sure what this has to do with this game, though.

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:05 am

yes ha ha ha
Get a real avatar now please.

So back to Anatole

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:20 am

My son has a high fever I might not be around tonight

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:30 am

In post 1003, FourTrouble wrote:Cutty, what're your thoughts on Honey?

Not really buying the language qualifier stuff [e.g. 'I guess'] - I've seen town do this and have done this as town; I remember people calling me scum for stuff like this in HunterXHunter on D1.

Honey Bee is a low activity poster. This game is not an outlier in that regard.

So my answer would be: not someone I feel comfortable lynching today

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:38 pm

This is the point in the game I guess where I raise the yellow flag of 'shit is not gelling internally for me' and I feel like I might be wrong on a lot of my reads but am not sure how/where to reevaluate.

Mara/Ceph - can you unpack why Csareo's thing is particularly scummy? It's had the opposite effect on me and I'm lukewarm on the slot now. Explain the Mala read to the best of your ability.
Mala -

Throw out just the most off the cuff reads you can think of and let's talk about them / compare them to that wall I posted a bit ago.

looks like you did
Tammy/F-16 - I feel like you're holding cards close to your chest here a bit late in D1. Where are you at?
Ika - where did you go?
HB - If you suspected it was Mala the whole time, why did the fact that it ended up indeed being her make your scumread go away?

I probably have some other shit I want from others; I'll reread a bit.

This game is still too heavily polarized by people taking hard sides on FT vs Baboon. Branch out. Please.

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:39 pm

In post 1018, Nashville Dreams wrote:I'm actually shocked that she only has 5 posts. Her asking me if we have played together in another game felt town IMO. It's like she's trying to hunt and get a read on players.

I metaed her a bit earlier - it looks like she was town vs you scum on her first game on site, so that jibes with what she said about your own meta. That's good at least.

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:47 pm

In post 1027, Baboon Pride wrote:I don't think Csaewrero's treatment of his role is particularly scummy. He obviously has the role he's claimed; that just doesn't make him town. I really don't think it's indicative of anything at all. I simply already thought the slot was scum, and he hasn't given me second thoughts.

I think having the role itself is null, yes (although you can probably extrapolate some alignments of the people he has info on after his flip)
I think the way he attempted to use it seems to be town-motivated if ineffective

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:48 pm

In post 1028, Nashville Dreams wrote:;;

Bork when did you post a readslist? I guess I missed it entirely.

~M

Was yesterday or a few days ago:

709

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:49 pm

Still think ika's town

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:52 pm

In post 1031, Cutty Shark wrote:I think having the role itself is null, yes (although you can probably extrapolate some alignments of the people he has info on after his flip)

To expand upon this more:

if town, there's probably 0-1 scum in the 4. Outside shot at 2.
if scum, likely they're all town
if he's benign third party, probably the same case as if he were town

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:09 pm

BP wrote:It's possible that the four names given are just random, too.

Meh.

In post 1039, Baboon Pride wrote:If he's scum, there are probably only three names and he tossed in a scumbuddy.

Considering he had no idea I'd make the observation I did, that's a bit tinfoil hatty / would be next level play if true. Not seeing anything that constitutes 'next level play' from that slot. Are you?

-b

Cutty Shark · Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:10 pm

In post 1040, I have no creativity wrote:bork, what makes mala mad? i think if i try something like that it will ehlp out

Uh, I'm going to call that non-constructive by design. Figure something else out.

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:18 am

In post 1052, Anatole Kuragin wrote:I don't have any idea what this means - but I need someone to give me "an item"

If this would exonerate you / is instrumental to your role why didn't you soft this request way earlier?

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:26 am

Yes that was like 2 pages ago and is why I even know what I know about what you're talking about.

That is not 'way earlier'

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:38 am

you're asking for 'fruit' to 'prove your innocence'

I have no idea how that maps to a strong weapon

-b

P-edit: I have no idea what to do with that. I do have reason to believe powers can be given out but no mention of weapons or items.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:42 am

But is it one that would make you town?

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:47 am

its Nat. I'm not putting anything past him.

Anyway I'm considering giving you your day but I need to figure out who the fuck is the best lynch in the meantime

Its just that; if what you can do is so strong, I don't see why your strategy was to keep quiet about it and hope you got targeted in lieu of crumbing something cryptic about it and hoping your item giver knows what's up

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:57 am

I dont know enough to answer that. If you think the pros beat the cons, do it

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:06 am

The way I see it, if you don't tell us now, you'll either tell us tomorrow or die without telling us. So I think it's better to tell us now. But that's the Sleepy Krew Impulsive Position, not the Cutty Shark Reasonableness Stance.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:29 am

In post 1069, Nashville Dreams wrote:i see it as between you and ft.

This isn't set in stone.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:41 am

In post 1081, Nashville Dreams wrote:if you have the audacity to tell me how i must play the game again, i will not be as polite.

Was this re: Tammy saying you should out your identity or stop crumbing it or about something else?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:47 am

Could you show me some quotes?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:13 am

In post 1127, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Did you read any of what I said? I need a night to do my action, obviously.

Wouldn't you need two nights? A night to get whatever you need, and then a night to do whatever with it that you need to do?

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:16 am

Yes but how would it suddenly get there between D1 and N1?

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:27 am

From the point of view from someone who doesn't know your alignment, I would expect a hard claim at L-1 from pretty much anybody.

What you're doing is basically "Don't lynch me I'm a PR" which, while possibly true, has no verification path and therefore isn't nearly useful to us.

The only thing that IS useful is the ancillary thing you've claimed about the item because it's at least concrete.

-b

p-edit: to AK

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:31 am

are you?

UNVOTE:

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:35 am

I think you're at L-4 with me off.

I don't really understand the Baboon jump from FT to AK if you prefer FT and you still think the FT lynch was viable

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:36 am

In post 1109, Nashville Dreams wrote:Surprising not everything in this game revolves around Tammy!

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:38 am

In post 1152, Nashville Dreams wrote:Anyways bork just wore his alignment on his sleeve to me. That's also all I'm going to say there too.

Kinda been doing that all game, but what in particular made you say this?

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:41 am

it's hydra dissonance, mara posted the other one

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:44 am

In post 1157, Baboon Pride wrote:
In post 1150, Cutty Shark wrote:I think you're at L-4 with me off.

I don't really understand the Baboon jump from FT to AK if you prefer FT and you still think the FT lynch was viable

-b

I don't really either to be honest, although I don't think it looks like FT is getting lynched today. I don't feel like I'm really allowed to use our vote.
-Ceph

This is like the opposite of our hydra
I kind of forgot to tell bork that I planned on back-seating this game a bit
teehee

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:11 pm

In post 1191, FourTrouble wrote:Bit too aggressive response here for a point IHNC recognizes is legitimate.

Is that scummy?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:24 pm

In post 1195, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 1193, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1191, FourTrouble wrote:Bit too aggressive response here for a point IHNC recognizes is legitimate.

Is that scummy?

Yes, fake emotion is scummy. Which is what that post felt like.

It's ika. Have you picked up on any "fake emotions" from anyone else?

In post 1196, FourTrouble wrote:and it strikes me as a minor scum-tell

Dude why are you so desperate to get scumreads now?
But anyway, don't you think you should see if they do this as town before declaring it a scumtell?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:26 pm

In post 1198, FourTrouble wrote:IHNC definitely overreacting...

What is taunting him supposed to accomplish? You have no experience with ika; you wouldn't be able to tell if his next "blow up" post (which you're clearly trying to make happen) is genuine ika rage or not.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:26 pm

In post 1201, I have no creativity wrote:RIGHT NOW I HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCHT HE ONLY PERON WHO HAS POSTED IN THE DAMN THREAD.

??

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:53 pm

Where did everybody go :/

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:14 pm

TIL Mala is Jon Stewart

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:30 pm

In post 1210, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 1202, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1198, FourTrouble wrote:IHNC definitely overreacting...

What is taunting him supposed to accomplish? You have no experience with ika; you wouldn't be able to tell if his next "blow up" post (which you're clearly trying to make happen) is genuine ika rage or not.

True, I don't have experience with him, but I can easily check his meta for things like this.

Shouldn't you do that *before* riling him up more?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:32 pm

Hayden
Cut this shit out. Either reveal who you are, or stop fucking with people. If you want to be secret, be secret. If you want people to know who you are, tell us. No more of this halfway crumbing to some people bullshit.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:36 pm

In post 1203, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1201, I have no creativity wrote:RIGHT NOW I HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCHT HE ONLY PERON WHO HAS POSTED IN THE DAMN THREAD.

??

ika, please explain this statement. Was it about beast?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:47 pm

In post 1249, I have no creativity wrote:
In post 1248, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1203, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1201, I have no creativity wrote:RIGHT NOW I HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCHT HE ONLY PERON WHO HAS POSTED IN THE DAMN THREAD.

??

ika, please explain this statement. Was it about beast?

we have the hydra of us here and then out qt.

so far all ( maybe minus a few early ones) have been by me.

out qt is compiled of 15 posts with the last one being on the 7th by beast.

as of now i have been doing like everything in this damn game and feels less like a hydra and more like just me playing

Ok, thanks. I was slightly confused because I thought you'd said beast had made *zero* posts in this thread.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:49 pm

So are you Titus
Because it looks like you're saying you're Titus but I want to make 100% sure
I totally thought you were Titus ftr

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:50 pm

In post 1250, Nashville Dreams wrote:I have been crumbing that very slightly in the posts with Csareo. Most posts talking about just him tend to have some military reference.

What's the point of crumbing that? What does that accomplish?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:51 pm

In post 1250, Nashville Dreams wrote:Has anyone ever played on a site where a flavor cop had for random people? It's pretty universal the flavor cop isn't random. However, someone designing a fake claim for themselves might go the random route. It's the easiest to fake after all.

...
What?
Can you rephrase the entire quoted section?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:54 pm

Also if you're going to explain your Csareo crumbs, might as well point them out too.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:59 pm

I had the Mala guess down early

but I'd never have guessed Titus in a million years. Not after x-men.

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:01 pm

Yo FT
Questioning a townread is scummy, right?
How come you refuted 5-off's attempt to clear you for still being here?
(btw, I read one of the threads he linked, and you totally did disappear once someone quoted you saying that you replace out as scum)

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:02 pm

I feel like you're using the term "town tell" much more loosely than you should be. Same with scum tell maybe.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 1021, Cutty Shark wrote:Mara... Explain the Mala read to the best of your ability.

please and thank you

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:18 pm

In post 1270, gossamer wings wrote:I only briefly looked at that one newbie game and he was town. The impression I got from his entrance was clueless newbie who was a bit of a VI so I didn't take him seriously all that much. But after Titus mentioned his meta, I looked at that game to see if that was consistent with my impression. I didn't look through all his meta to see what his scum game looked like, just noticed that my original thought was wrong. Then, I've noticed him onsite both yesterday and today while ignoring this game, which is concerning.

I mean he could be someone who is rather new and realized he did something silly and doesn't want to come back, but I don't have a way of figuring that one out.

He very obviously didn't get any actual info from anyone (apparently already knew stuff ABOUT my character rather than just his name).
I think the only plausible scum motivation is that he hoped acting like a dipshit would get him some townreads.

That's just hard for me to swallow

-b

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:20 pm

In post 1272, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1270, gossamer wings wrote:I only briefly looked at that one newbie game and he was town. The impression I got from his entrance was clueless newbie who was a bit of a VI so I didn't take him seriously all that much. But after Titus mentioned his meta, I looked at that game to see if that was consistent with my impression. I didn't look through all his meta to see what his scum game looked like, just noticed that my original thought was wrong. Then, I've noticed him onsite both yesterday and today while ignoring this game, which is concerning.

I mean he could be someone who is rather new and realized he did something silly and doesn't want to come back, but I don't have a way of figuring that one out.

He very obviously didn't get any actual info from anyone (apparently already knew stuff ABOUT my character rather than just his name).
I think the only plausible scum motivation is that he hoped acting like a dipshit would get him some townreads.

That's just hard for me to swallow

-b

And the (misplaced) belief that we could break the game with flavor seemed earnest.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Thanks FT. That's all for now.

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:32 pm

In post 1276, gossamer wings wrote:I mean I could see an argument for him being newbscum who didn't know how to enter the game, but I dunno.

Daytalk though.
Geez Tammy you're so bad at this just do what we do instead

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:38 pm

VOTE: Nashville

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:46 pm

In post 1253, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1250, Nashville Dreams wrote:I have been crumbing that very slightly in the posts with Csareo. Most posts talking about just him tend to have some military reference.

What's the point of crumbing that? What does that accomplish?

In post 1255, Cutty Shark wrote:
In post 1250, Nashville Dreams wrote:Has anyone ever played on a site where a flavor cop had for random people? It's pretty universal the flavor cop isn't random. However, someone designing a fake claim for themselves might go the random route. It's the easiest to fake after all.

...
What?
Can you rephrase the entire quoted section?

Cutty Shark · Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:49 pm

In post 1281, Nashville Dreams wrote:The drive the passion the confidence. None of that is here.

He didn't exhibit these when trying to break the flavor?