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In post 21, Death Stare wrote:Also you will never be able to PL someone like that nero.
You gotta fake a scumread on them and convince everyone that you are lynching scum instead of policy lynching.
Lol.still the same old MTD-
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In post 106, Aneninen wrote:
I wrote the same thing. And C9++ is not an easily-comprehend-able-ish setup, after all.
Buthe said he isn't new to mafia...
I agree however that this is no tell.
I am not sure about him currently, he sure hasn't acted mega-towny, though.
Wanting to NL is normal for people coming from other sites.
Btw
@wguerts: You say we shouldn't lynch someone yet, and attack people for voting because you want to put pressure on people first. Just fyi, the most prominent way of pressuring people happens to be votes. And no, lynches don't happen because of 2 or 3 votes.
in general: It is quite obvious noone currently wants to quick-lynch anyone, so quit whining about it pls.
Aneninen's looks somewhat scummy to me. His posts are nearly all fluff, the only things he has really said about other people is
In post 103, Aneninen wrote:Wgeurts' play is indeed a bit strange, especially because he said that he wasn't new to Online Mafia though, I think he simply didn't undertstand the setup.
Basically saying that there is nothing interesting there and
In post 103, Aneninen wrote:MonkeyMan is changing his vote all the time.
Which is damn obvious.
In general I have the impression he is trying to make a good impression without risking anything. I don't like that.
VOTE: Aneninen
Death Stare is prob town, dunno about the other hydrae.
I don't really like GrayFox so far, but there's little to go on there.
Also I just realized that massive isold.still the same old MTD-
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In post 108, Aneninen wrote:La wow! I've just got a vote for fluffing!
However, you're saying that I'm pointing out obvious things. But, what else should I post about? Apart from those things, most of the posts are nulls and fluffs.
any point here I am missing?
Look at the other people who have posted. You won't find as little content in their posts. And I don't really believe in "nulls", every post can be indicative. We have 5 pages of information, don't act like there was nothing to post about.
Yes.
Mostly an overall impression, though.
As for Wguert's No Lynch intent: I don't know much about other sites, you might be right here. I didn't even talked about that, I merely explained him the maths of this setup. Oh, you can add that post to your "pointing out obvious things" list. Wait, no, that was a fluff. ^_^
I never claimed you said anything about that, I was only talking about wguerts there.
Do you think that Massive is old? Watch out, I'm nearly as old as him. ^_^
I am not sure we mean the same thing.still the same old MTD-
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wgeurts wrote:
Indeed but even a panicking town can give off information, take for instance who defends him, or who doesn't. Later info like this can be used to find connections.
I... I still don't see why you think voting someone would be a nice tool of pressuring people as well? I mean sure, questions are another, but it's not like a single vote on someone is a much more serious threat?
In post 118, Aneninen wrote:In post 114, Nero Cain wrote:
56 is pretty obviosly trolling and an attempted witty reply to DS. I don't know if its sad or hilarious that you find that scummy.
Am I the only one who has missed the joke?
apparently.still the same old MTD-
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In post 120, MTD wrote:I... I still don't see why you think voting someone would be a nice tool of pressuring people as well?
*wouldn'tstill the same old MTD-
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In post 112, massive wrote:He meant my Mafiascum age.
exactly.
No idea why you assumed I knew his real age.
Or why you do.still the same old MTD-
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In post 126, Aneninen wrote:@MTD: his real age is on his page.
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In post 204, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Just explain yourself itsn't that hard if you're town.
really, this isn't that hard.
Hint: there is a difference between reasons for voting someone in particular and reasons for placing a vote (regardless of the one you vote for).still the same old MTD-
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In post 249, Aneninen wrote:
MTD, 207 – did that mean that you were townreading Sthar8? Or did that mean that you were understanding Sthar8's gameplay?
It means His post wasn't that hard to understand. Nothing more.
Also I hate your reasons for your scumleans on massive and stavgorin (or whatever the name is).still the same old MTD-
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In post 318, Aneninen wrote:So, I've got home. First of all, as I promised, I would explain why I scumread "early lurkers".
Warning: a long post about my theory.
Spoiler:
I'm going to read the new posts too; as soon as I can.
Ok... this breaks down to
"I think scum would benefit from lurking, so the lurkers are probably scum."
I don't even know what to say to this.
One thing: That logic doesn't work, since lurking has often been called a scumtell, to the effect that it isn't one (anymore?).still the same old MTD-
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In post 326, MonkeyMan wrote:I will get the lynch eventually.
I love the ambiguity.still the same old MTD-
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truth, this.
I'm kinda out of this right now, will do some reading.still the same old MTD-
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So.
GreyFoxxx:
Doesn't do anything except:
-he is scumreading wguerts for reasons that are meh:
Spoiler:
-and he is having a lengthy stupid discussion with sthar abouta post he misunderstood
Can you please provide thoughts or anything on some of the other players in this game?
Death Stare:
The first post with content was 102, which is kinda late, but hey, this is an Ank-Gif hydra we're talking about.
I like their case on Monkey I think, although it seems to mostly be based on his interaction with wguerts, which is nearly necessarily going to be weird IMO, so I agree with a slight scumlean, but don't really see it as strong.
Not much else.
Nero:
For the wguerts case see above, but at least he puts a bit more sense into it.
In general this is town in my book.
Solid scumhunting efforts, follows up on his questions etc.
Monkey:
See DS.
Also:
Spoiler:
I still don't really like Anen, but him continuing posting in that very same style makes me question my scumread there a bit. I will have to read his prior game(s?).
moving my vote for now.
VOTE: Foxxx
Other vote I would be happy with is Monkey, but I'm somewhat reluctant to put him a t L-2 at the moment
More tomorrow I guess.still the same old MTD-
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Uh, it does?
I don't even know if I read your readlist yet, lol.still the same old MTD-
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In post 387, Antihero wrote:In post 385, MTD wrote:Uhm.. hydra somethingsomething?
SHUTUP MTD
alsways telling me what to do you and yoR big sideburnsand your pipe
QUIT JUDgING ME
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In post 391, GrayFoxxxx wrote:One quick response to MTD. Did you even read 297? I wasn't reading wguerts, I was answering something he brought up regarding my vote. It's so obvious it's almost scummy that you scum read me on it. It's also so obvious I don't think I scum would try to flat out deceive the town like that.
Ok, I get it. I am not sure you (or me) understood wguerts post correctly then, though. I though he meant the votesofsthar and Anen, you apparently thought he meant the onesonthem.
I wasn't the only person to get caught up on wguerts no Lynch post. He explained his self and I left it alone.
The post explains your other point about my early game read on sthar as well. Why is it so hard to see me pushing sthar?
You are right that I have tunneled him, so I'm going to reread everything and try and get other reads.
It isn't scummy for me to hard push sthar if I think he might be scum. My willingness to prove my point isn't a good enough reason for you to vote me.
Yup, that explains that I guess, only thing I have a problem with is that the original push on sthar by you was about a post you obviously misunderstood (as I said before), thatnot reallybeing a good reason for one. The rest of the discussion was in my eyes mostly a waste of time and space, as discussions based on misunderstandings tend to be. But yeah, that's not enuogh atmo.UNVOTE:
@Anen: I would be happy about those links.still the same old MTD-
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In post 393, wgeurts wrote:Grayfoxx your trying so hard to look town it's almost scummy.
Uhm, where is he trying to look town? Can't see it...still the same old MTD-
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In post 427, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:In post 425, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:In post 107, MTD wrote:In general I have the impression he is trying to make a good impression without risking anything. I don't like that.
MTD?
The vote here is because you think fluffing is "trying to make a good impression without risking anything". I think that there isn't a player in the entire planet who thinks that they can "make a good impression" by blatantly and obviously not doing shit. There are some players who maybe think they can get by with not doing shit, but literally no one goes "i'm gonna do nothing but fluff and everyone is going to find me sooo town".
Your read on Death Stare is also weird and I don't like it.
I didn't mean that. I meant by being extra nice and alsoactingas if doing shit (look he even did PBPA!)
In post 429, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:In post 109, MTD wrote:Look at the other people who have posted. You won't find as little content in their posts. And I don't really believe in "nulls", every post can be indicative. We have 5 pages of information, don't act like there was nothing to post about.
Death Stare.
The person you were townreading.
I also don't think we posted shit for content by that point but I might have a horrible memory of my own posting!
Yes, I do/did think Death had more content than Anen at that point. Thatmightbe mostly because of 104 being fresh in mind though.
In post 109, MTD wrote:Yes.
If Death Stare is town, why is the "if Death Stare flips mafia you are in for it!!!" bit scummy?
Because it doesn't make much sense and looks like a setup for an easy mislynch later.
In post 431, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:
In post 129, MTD wrote:In post 126, Aneninen wrote:@MTD: his real age is on his page.
uhm.... is it?
Is there a reason why you didn't respond to the content he posted in his last few posts and instead hyper focused on this discussion?
Uhm, because this was directed at me?
Other than that, no.
In post 593, massive wrote:376: MTD: How are you against Monkeyman for wanting to lynch wiggerts for the newbie nonsense, but Nero gets a pass for the same thing? You even hide a bunch against Monkeyman behind a spoiler. Was Nero's thought process on the issue really THAT much better? And even so, isn't the fact that the conclusion was wrong matter more than the process?
Thing is, this wasn't the only thing nero had done.
I did say I didn't like it from nero (well, more precisely, I did say I don't like the push on wguerts in general.
Also, if you read the post again, the reason I scumread Monkey was not because of the wguerts push.
The spoiler was just so the quote doesn't clutter up the post (same thing with the one for foxxx).
Also I have no idea why Anen puts so much effort into defending me and it confuses me.
Also also, shades I think I need a real reason for yer scumread on me.
In post 671, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:In post 656, Heartless wrote:there's also our old friend mtd here who spat out a case on grayfoxx, bailed on it the next post (even though the fundamental question of WHY THE LIVING FUCK ARE YOU TUNNELING STHAR OVER THE STUPIDEST SHIT?) remains woefully unanswered, aaaaaaaaaaand starts making the trip back to the active-lurkerdom from whence he came
Yeah, that guy sucks we should kill him one day
also, TSO is saying some pretty strange stuff.still the same old MTD-
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In post 957, MonkeyMan wrote:In post 951, MTD wrote:Btw Shades is town and I don't get why people are voting there.
Why do you think this?
Well, show me why they are not.
They are putting in effort, not just going with the popular things, asking good questions...
I mean sure they are experienced and couldmaybebe faking that, but as long as I have no reason to assume that they are, I am definitely against lynching them.still the same old MTD-
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In post 954, Aneninen wrote:I've only looked into the chat for a couple of minutes and I'm catching up later (or next morning). Right now I think this is the only thing which needs an answer from my side:
MTD:"Also I have no idea why Anen puts so much effort into defending me and it confuses me."
I already explained it long time ago and you might not remember for that (or you weren't here at all?) so I'm telling it again: I have a general experience that the first one who votes for me because I'm fluffing and producing too little content is town.
I second the statement that this is beautiful but not good.
Well, actually they didThis has worked a couple of times so far. Also, I thought 50Shades' case had been shyt and they'd been pushing it for a while regardless of the fact that you hadn't been active at all.notreally push it in that time, which is a reason for me thinking they are town, since they were rathernotgoing with the road that can lead to an easy mislynch.
Why do you think they're town anyway?
See above & above post.
By the way, DeathStare are still voting for you. What's your opinion about that?
I dunno, have they ever stated why they are besides sheeping shades?
Pedit: Well this concern seems to have vanished.still the same old MTD-
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In post 987, Heartless wrote:In post 984, Nero Cain wrote:^^^^^
you should
like
vote massive with me
Why not TSO?
I might be in for that, too.
massive not so much.
(look, look, I made a haiku)still the same old MTD-
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In post 992, T S O wrote:In post 991, MTD wrote:Yeah, I dunno, I have to reread him, was just that from the top of my mind I remembered to think he is town.
Pedit: Like seriously? That post is just
If you want, you can vote me.
I voted Sthar because it was the right thing to do - he is active lurking. I knew I'd take abuse for it and I knew it could potentially cause my own lynch.
I still don't care. Again, I've also got around you as scum in the past.
Ok. VOTE: TSO (DISCLAIMER: This is by no means something I am sure of but I figured I should use my vote somewhere)
I never talked about your vote on sthar, did I?
This is like the worst argument ever.still the same old MTD-
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nah, 9 pages or something.
From first skim I still think there is scum in {wguerts, anen} and that massive isprobablytown.
I don't like daves too much, but some things he said made sense.
The hydrae do all look somewhat town to me, but I can't really read hydrae well.
What happened to all the sthar-hate?
I like Brian's catchup, but I didn't like the slot yesterday, so I'll have to see how that develops.still the same old MTD-
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I can definitely see this in terms of interaction.
The only thing MM ever said about shades it a townread without any reasoning or explanation.
It's p common for newbscum to ignore their partners like that.
Shades' interaction with Monkeydoesread strange as well.still the same old MTD-
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In post 1450, MonkeyMan wrote:In post 1448, Death Stare wrote:Self-voting outside of scum self-hammering is anti-town, that's why.
The demand also has yet to be fulfilled, so I will not accept a lynch at this point.
GIF and I are still in the process of syncing. Our reads have significantly progressed since daystart.
Why the hell do scum care if they are anti-town? Also, you just said you haven't voted yourself because you can't hammer yet said only scum should do that. You just claimed you were scum.
lolno, try reading.
So now, right now just about everything is possible rolewise?
with DS and MM, anything is possible (again).
I am lost on this.still the same old MTD-
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In post 1465, Ankamius wrote:
MonkeyMan: I'd have to talk to GIF to give a better answer, but off the top of my head, I would say Heartless or MTD.
No idea why I would be killed at this point... (don't explain though)
In post 1468, Heartless wrote:
/hasn't said a word to us since the beginning of the game
el-oh-el
VOTE: deathstare
Uh, can you please say something about that? Is there anyreasoningto this vote?
In post 1476, MonkeyMan wrote:You want to know how it should be super obvious this is a scum lynch? The lynch hasn't happened yet and scum would easily be willing to lynch town based off of a RB claimed block.
Why would scum put another vote on the wagon to make it L-1 when they can equally well wait for the possibility to hammer? (yes I think one scum may very well be on there already (counting SK as town for the moment))
In post 1481, massive wrote:In post 1407, Nero Cain wrote:
Is it just me, or is this trying REALLLLY hard to avoid having to make a stand on Monkey / DS?
No comment on me not taking a stance on it?
The problem is, roleblocker "guilty" is a lot more subjective than cop guilty. It's easy to see why Monkey wants to be right, because then he's caught a scum and is helping contribute to the town win. It's easy to see why HE believes in the black-and-white nature of his action. But that doesn't override previous town feelings about Death Stare (for me) and his case feels very much like he's trying to shoehorn anything in to prove his closely-held belief of a guilty result.
I don't really understand this paragraph.
Are you just saying you think MM overestimates the RB utility?still the same old MTD-
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In post 1484, Nero Cain wrote:In post 1482, Death Stare wrote:GIF finds it very likely that Nero is SK if we have one, so it makes sense that he'd rather not resolve this WIFOM immediately.
yes, I'm obviously sk and my motivation to not get a claimed rber lynched/ sk suspect lynched is what?
Tell GIF to start using his brain.
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In post 1523, davesaz wrote:Too many silent people.
Theonlyway there can be missing kills, without MonkeyMan's roleblock having hit scum, is additional town PRs. And if there is even one more, theremustbeat leastthree to give us a total of at least 5. The only setups with a godfather are 0-2 T's (5+ power roles) and 5-7 T's. (0-2 power roles)
Isn't there still the possibility that the RB claim was false?
Also you are ignoring the possibility of crosskills.
Also don't forget the potential SK-bulletproof.still the same old MTD-
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In post 1534, Death Stare wrote:In post 1533, MTD wrote:In post 1523, davesaz wrote:Too many silent people.
Theonlyway there can be missing kills, without MonkeyMan's roleblock having hit scum, is additional town PRs. And if there is even one more, theremustbeat leastthree to give us a total of at least 5. The only setups with a godfather are 0-2 T's (5+ power roles) and 5-7 T's. (0-2 power roles)
Isn't there still the possibility that the RB claim was false?
Also you are ignoring the possibility of crosskills.
Also don't forget the potential SK-bulletproof.
Faking that as town is VI play and being a mafia roleblocker means that this is a very risky gambit for a pretty small payoff.
-Ank
I meant him being mafia (not roleblocker) and fakeclaiming RB.
That opens up the possibility of just a single additional Doctor (e.g.)still the same old MTD-
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In post 1536, Aneninen wrote:I don't think so and I've already explained why.
Yeah, your reasoning was that there must be a blocker cause DS was the first to talk about blocking, right?
That's nonsense, as at that point that was pretty obvious from Monkey's posts that he either really did that block or was going to claim it.still the same old MTD-
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In post 1451, Aneninen wrote:(4) MonkeyMan's gameplay would have too made perfect sense if he were a Cop. (Or, as a weak case though, it would have been also possible if were a VT.) It was you who mentioned that you had been roleblocked way before MonkeyMan claimed. Before this answer I thought that you knew about the roleblock because you have a town-PR but you haven't even tried to crumb or softclaim this possibility (that'swhy I've been waiting with my vote 'till now). Therefore, you must be the scum who performed the (blocked) Nightkill.
You mean this?
Yeah I think so, because this:
Kinda made the RB/planned RB-claim obvious.
I am saying right now, that I think you guys are ignoring far too many possibilities for me to conclusively think that DS is scum.
Like, all of you just ignore the SK (which IMO is pretty obvious we have) in about half of your posts.
Also, who said the Vig has to claim but the Doctor doesn't? That doesn't really make sense to me atmo.
Also, if we didn't have all that setup stuff, Monkey looks like obvious scum to me, so I am confused.still the same old MTD-
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In post 1549, Heartless wrote:In post 1542, davesaz wrote:In post 1533, MTD wrote:In post 1523, davesaz wrote:Too many silent people.
Theonlyway there can be missing kills, without MonkeyMan's roleblock having hit scum, is additional town PRs. And if there is even one more, theremustbeat leastthree to give us a total of at least 5. The only setups with a godfather are 0-2 T's (5+ power roles) and 5-7 T's. (0-2 power roles)
Isn't there still the possibility that the RB claim was false?
Also you are ignoring the possibility of crosskills.
Also don't forget the potential SK-bulletproof.
I bolded things and underlined for a reason. It is anti-town to fully explain the reason.
...it really isn't rocket science, mtd. what's the hang-up here?
I really don't understand what you are talking about, dave said the only possibility for missing kills was the RB having hit scum, I likst at least 2 more possibilities. What's the problem?still the same old MTD-
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In post 1552, Aneninen wrote:Maybe the latter one because (1) I haven't ignored the possiblility of an SK and (2) I explained my ideas about the claims (and I told that the Vig should claim next Day, not this Day.)
I still can't see the benefits of MonkeyMan's gameplay if he's scum.
It was to all of you actually.
(1) I said in half your post, you sometimes did, not as much as others, though.
(2) Ok, IMO that depends on todays lynch, if we plan to lynch DS today, either should claim now I think.
(3) Well, at the beginning of the day DS put up suspicion of monkey, which I agreed with, Monkey has subsequently turned that around on DS, so I can definitely see benefits right there.still the same old MTD-
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