Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[Malakittens]

VOTE: wisdom

Herro~

[Malakittens]

Newbie is probtown.

[Malakittens]

Newbie is probtown.

Why?

Mainly gut in accordance to how her posts are coming off. She doesn't really come off panicky or nervous or anything like that. Her giving out the information about the sites etc doesn't feel like it's from a scum agenda.

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Well Newbie, that explains your wallposting, haha. Are there any records left of one of your scum games and town games?

@wgeurts: RVS wagons can be good ways of getting reactions out of people. Why so concerned?

Speaking of reactions, you're kind of under the heat Mathdino. How does it feel? Why are you town?

I really don't like this post by Acryon. Like it really it feels sort forced.

Well Newbie, that explains your wallposting, haha. Are there any records left of one of your scum games and town games?

Hey Math, why so keen to get some early meta off Newbie?

I also really don't like this coming from VDA. I don't get what the problem with asking for meta is to be brutally honest. I also do that for newer players if I can because it helps in the sorting process.

Well Newbie, that explains your wallposting, haha. Are there any records left of one of your scum games and town games?

Hey Math, why so keen to get some early meta off Newbie?

I think it's fine. Especially with someone who seems to be new, it's nice to get a feel for how they play so you don't end up just writing off the things they do as "newbie".

I don't like Acyron injecting here.

So I'm going to just:

VOTE: Acryon

Because this is an avenue I want to explore.

Well Newbie, that explains your wallposting, haha. Are there any records left of one of your scum games and town games?

Hey Math, why so keen to get some early meta off Newbie?

I think it's fine. Especially with someone who seems to be new, it's nice to get a feel for how they play so you don't end up just writing off the things they do as "newbie".

Thanks Mathdino that's what I wanted to.....hold up a sec. Your not Mathdino.

Like VDA response here because it's very similar to mine.

Yeah, I also feel Victor's question was kind of useless and maybe even a little loaded. There are not many reasons one wants to get meta.

Like this post.^

@wgeurts: Yet if everyone did that, nothing would happen, haha. I used to hate RVS but it's important for reaction fishing.
^Not liking RVS isn't a scumtell though, if anything it's a noobtowntell IMO.

@Victor: So that way when I inevitably ISO Newbie I'll have a meta to compare to. I don't want to bother waiting until Newbie's got a wagon on (him? her?) to skim a meta.

@Newbie: Yeah linking would cool, thanks.

@acryon: I'm not gonna get random-lynched and I'm really bad at feeling anything during games, haha. Talk to me after the game and I'll let out the rage.
Not really sure what you want me to say to "Why are you town?" other than I got a town PM. I'm not going to self-meta (I don't even have a scum meta yet) and I don't appreciate people trying to prove how town they are since it's easily WIFOM'd.

Edit: ^Written before post #38, gimme a sec.

Well part of me likes this comment and then part of me hates other parts of it.

I also don't see how not liking RVS is a noobtowntell though.
Like his response to VDA.

I hate his response to Acryon. I hate the fact he's confident that he won't get random lynched.

[Malakittens]

Alright, I have high hopes for this game!
VOTE: TellTaleHeart for referencing Poe. He wrote about death! Is obvious mafia!

Spoiler:

Also:
VOTE: Wisdom

Why?

I also don't like this post because it comes off as a RVS vote or if it's not a RVS there's no reasoning attached to it. There's content, RVS is over yet nothing was commented besides the vote on him followed by the attachment of the Wisdom vote.

I'm getting a slight town feel on Mathdino due to the detail of his posts and willingness to discuss and share info. I also like his line of questioning of the other players. Not getting much from anyone else yet except the 3 I have mentioned.

UNVOTE: Mathdino

VOTE: VictorDeAngelo

Better vote.

Why?

It looks like a lot of this playerlist will probably be scrutinized by me from me. The many scum games that I have either modded/played with by VDA it doesn't seem to mirror them, but it doesn't mirror VDA's town play either. Something feels off about him, but I'm not exactly sure of what yet.

[Malakittens]

Why?

I also don't like this post because it comes off as a RVS vote or if it's not a RVS there's no reasoning attached to it. There's content, RVS is over yet nothing was commented besides the vote on him followed by the attachment of the Wisdom vote.

I explicitly told MathDino it wasn't a random vote.

Tbf I didn't see that post and I'm not entirely sure on how I missed it, but I did.

Also your last post still doesn't explain to me why you voted Wisdom over N_M. In fact your last post reads to me more that you believe N_M is scummier than Wisdom which questions why you are voting Wisdom over N_M.

Yeah, I also feel Victor's question was kind of useless and maybe even a little loaded. There are not many reasons one wants to get meta.

Like this post.^

What in particular do you like about it? I feel like it's very unremarkable.

Because it's 100% true. Like there's no reason for VDA to question Dino on the use of meta early game. Like zero because the reasoning behind wanting meta is very obvious to anyone who uses meta and coming from experience in playing with VDA he does to an extent use meta. So VDA questioning it makes very little sense and useless.

[Malakittens]

Her giving out the information about the sites etc doesn't feel like it's from a scum agenda.

She was asked to do that, I don't think it's telling.

Still she could have lied and said that the site went down or some boogus excuse, but didn't.

[Malakittens]

@Acyron:

The problem I had with you answering a question that was for someone else is you could influence their answer. if I'm looking for a certain reaction or someone else is looking for a certain answer and you injecting explaining how you feel automatically removes any intent to do so which isn't something that town should do. In fact you doing that is something scum does in order to protect a scum partner. So yes I hated you doing it because it influenced an answer while giving the feeling you are trying to protect someone.

Also the Wquerts' vote on Newbie reads a huge case of OMGUS.

[Malakittens]

Be here in a btit

[Malakittens]

In post 158, Malakittens wrote:
@Acyron:

The problem I had with you answering a question that was for someone else is you could influence their answer. if I'm looking for a certain reaction or someone else is looking for a certain answer and you injecting explaining how you feel automatically removes any intent to do so which isn't something that town should do. In fact you doing that is something scum does in order to protect a scum partner. So yes I hated you doing it because it influenced an answer while giving the feeling you are trying to protect someone.

I definitely agree with you in theory. But in this circumstance, it wasn't exactly an overly-complicated question and there was only one real, and very simple answer. In this case, I don't think what I did stopped any extra information anyway.

Still, but I just rather you not.

[Malakittens]

Also, yeah you should ignore meta in general. Even the wiki says 9 times out of 10 it's wrong. Meta is the worst thing to use as a case.

Um no. Actually meta is not the worst thing to use in a case.

[Malakittens]

Sorry I just worked 12 hours one liners is all you are getting until I'm actually rested.

[Malakittens]

Hello Finnlaw nice to see you again!

[Malakittens]

What am I posting a defence against that I haven't already done?!

I'm claiming vanilla town and I'll hammer myself to show scum are driving my lynch.

Yes, however whatever I say you'll lynch me anyway. Seriously, I'm town and I'd rather die quickly and give you info than let the scum further run the town.

VOTE: Wgeurts

Okay my loves. The wagon on Wge is bad and you all unvote. This is townflail and not scumflail

[Malakittens]

I've only skimmed but I agree with Mala, and trust her ability to read town flail

@Mod V/LA until 23/10

I won't be replacing out, just need to wait for things to calm down a bit (good things)

Pls don't do this. We both know I'm capable of being wrong.

[Malakittens]

Okay, so I was going to say I didn't like BMWS, but his last set of posts I actually like.
Dino is town. Also me posting one liners isn't really a town tell btw. I do it as scum a lot as well as town.
Wisdom, I'm not actually getting a read one way or another. There was a few posts that gave me niggles. The whole baiting BWMS' vote felt town, but I'm not exactly sure.
N_M's sheeping of my read on Wge, felt off, but nothing worrisome atm.
VDA I can see being potentially scum, but idk.
I really like Finnlaw for town.

I still like my vote on Acryon, it's really gut. I'm trying to make sure I'm not in a tunnel, but i mgiht be. :\

[Malakittens]

Pls don't do this. We both know I'm capable of being wrong.

You seemed pretty confident you were right about him being newbtown last time you posted, is that not the case anymore?

I just don't like the buddying by N_M

[Malakittens]

So there's a good chance that one of Wisdom/Wge is scum. Wisdom surprisingly doesn't feel town. Also I'm disliking his read on me because I think it's pure bullshit.

UNVOTE: Acyron

[Malakittens]

Also I do like Acyron's latest posts so .... yeah...

[Malakittens]

b/c I need to go to bed and I'm really prod dodging. I didn't read the last few pages besides the end posts I skimmed looking at the last VC

[Malakittens]

Wge would have to be really ballsy scum and be confident that his partners are good at playing scum to intentionally mason fish in thread.

Wisdom and wge will not be scum together. I could see Silver scum.

Is it really bad that I keep confusing TTH & BWMS' posts as one player.

Anyways townreads in no order {Mathdino, Finnlaw, TTH, BWMS} leaning town {N_M & Wge}

Wisdom explain why I should be townreading you?

[Malakittens]

You two have a history (which allows you to read each other well)?

Yes, and notably she's one of the players I'm most accurate at reading.

That's not entirely true and we both know this. You have to tunnel me and see how I react to figure out whether or not I'm scum or town.

[Malakittens]

Anyway reading this guy is going to be a bloody nightmare.

Actually I find this the opposite. Of all the players in the game I find he's the easiest to understand.

[Malakittens]

After delving deeper into the scripture, I've been enlightened with intriguing news.
Wguert's has the devil's gleam, when he tells us he's a freemason. I'm leaning to believe him, but on the off chance he is possessed by the devil, wouldn't it be in our best interests to have one freemason claim?
Therefore you confirm wguert's as either being truly a mason, or with a scum buddy.

Scrap that, there's no way Lucifer's fallen angels would be foolish enough to claim to be Freemasons. Otherwise there would be three actual freemason's pushing his lynch.
The lord is simply encouraging me to share my ideas. Just make sure apostles, if wguert's is not a member of the freemasonry, you should speak up so he may receive Scaphism.

He never did claim mason.

Considering no children have CC'd Wguert's, we should treat him as confirmed town. I haven't made it past the tenth page of the holy advent yet, so bear with me.

No.

Considering no children have CC'd Wguert's, we should treat him as confirmed town. I haven't made it past the tenth page of the holy advent yet, so bear with me.

I see you haven't gotten to page 12 yet...

I'm a little curious about how where you think you saw a mason claim.

I actually am glad you pointed this out.

Alright. So I'm going to reread this game now that BMWS and TTH have a different type of avatar. I was really reading all of those posts as just TTH.

SCtH actually feels like an alt of Aunt Jemima. I have zero problems with the language so I'm not really sure why people got all pissy other than him asking for reads before giving them himself I can see as a valid issue, but beyond that.. nothing..

[Malakittens]

That's not entirely true and we both know this. You have to tunnel me and see how I react to figure out whether or not I'm scum or town.

So the usual dynamic is that he hyper-focuses on you as town in order to sort you?

Not directly. I'll end up doing something OTT scummy and he'll tunnel me. He has done it in a few games, although the last one we played recently I was confirmed town. Post game he was like "I'm glad you were conftown mala >.>".

Really the past games we played in I have only rolled town twice w/ him, the rest I was scum in. Also way too many games since he's been inactive to try and count.

Also I'm really tired so I might just do the reread later today (thursday). I'm just all over the place and might watch tgw plus my cat is laying on me so onehanded

[Malakittens]

Yeah promise after work today! <:
I wanted to sleep in yesterday on my day off.

[Malakittens]

Is this MathDino's first game as scum? He's displaying traits normal of a newb scum player, but I may have to change my reads a little if that's not the case. Is he an alt?

No. I played with him before. He's pretty damn good as town IMO. I'm surprised you haven't meta'd him considering you seem to actually know what the hell you are doing.

Also I'm not sure why you are so interested in my read on Acyron. It's mostly gut, but I have disliked a lot of his posts.

[Malakittens]

Anyways townreads in no order {Mathdino, Finnlaw, TTH, BWMS} leaning town {N_M & Wge}

The only one I agree with is Mathdino, maybe TTH. Can you explain the rest?

Also remind me who you are scumreading and why.

FinnLaw because his posts reads to me like his posts did in the completed newbie game. He seems way too confident and not at all nervous that I feel that would come from a newb-scum.
BWMS is gut actually, but I liked the posts in the recent-day than I did when the game first started.
Wge is because I feel like he's acting too ballsy to be scum especially for newb-scum.
N_M is a mixture of gut and meta.

[Malakittens]

I have a recently finished scum game of SW. Although not fully completed because she replaced out due to conflicts, but I feel there's enough information to compare here along with the other completed game she has here on site.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59204

Even though it's a small research window it's enough to give me a baseline.

[Malakittens]

There is a connection between Mathdino, Victor, and Silverwolf. We already know it isn't a freemason connection, or they wouldn't of pushed wagons at each other.

I really doubt this is the case. Can we not fish for masons?

[Malakittens]

@Mod There might something wrong with your L-#'s on the VC on the page before. It's knocking me off a balance while trying to see what is competing to certain wagons. Can you recheck so I know its accurate, ty

~mod note:Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I missed your unvote of acryon in post 395. Vote count updated accordingly.

[Malakittens]

What should I see when I ISO Wisdom? Other than his vote on me which he doesn't yet understand why it's wrong.

Also I think TTH is deff town for 604. His views are deff mirroring what I feel in regards to SCtH's connection between SW, MD & VDA.

[Malakittens]

I have a recently finished scum game of SW. Although not fully completed because she replaced out due to conflicts, but I feel there's enough information to compare here along with the other completed game she has here on site.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59204

Even though it's a small research window it's enough to give me a baseline.

Don't have time to look through it at the moment, but first glance shows that she replaced in over 500 posts in and less than 100 posts before the lynch, so I'm a little wary of comparing her scum-play at the very end of the day replacing in one game vs this game where she only played the first half of the day. It

could

provide useful information, but I would advise comparison to be done with extreme caution.

Yeah, but still enough to give me enough to go on for behavior wise and how she treats her scumpartners. If she's indeed scum this game it will give me information in the long run. it's one of those "Mala you need to recheck this post at a later game"~

[Malakittens]

Also I think TTH is deff town for 604. His views are deff mirroring what I feel in regards to SCtH's connection between SW, MD & VDA.

But then it gets even more confusing when Constantine then says he thinks one of them are scum...

pedit: Word.

From what I'm reading he's called each one of them scum. He's trying to connect them as scumbuddies and trying to say he doesn't think these three are masons.

It's dumb.

I don't get where he's coming from.

So either SCtH is scum or really dumb town. Judging by his posts I don't think the latter is true.

[Malakittens]

See: I said later game, not right now~
Two games isn't the greatest baseline, but gives enough information for some similarities etc.

[Malakittens]

@Mala - If it wasn't shockingly obvious who the freemason's are already.
@Mala2 - For the love of Saint Francis, explain your previous read on acyron already. How many times must my questions be dropped, before the harlot confesses her sins?
@Mala3 - Do you think I look scummier than acyron, your earlier scum read?

1. I really doubt that it's obvious who they are.
2. I already said it was freaking gut. I already answered it. I have a gut feeling that I didn't like from his posts.
3. You both look pretty bad. Why does it matter how you come across?

[Malakittens]

Also I think TTH is deff town for 604. His views are deff mirroring what I feel in regards to SCtH's connection between SW, MD & VDA.

Can you explain this further? What do you feel in regards to the connection, what do you think TTH felt and how it makes her town.

That she brought up the connection with the votes in regards to SW and VDA. These rvs votes make them less likely to be scum together. That in fact would be a similar logic used that masons would likely not vote each other in RVS either as scum is also not as likely to vote their partners. Which makes VDA and SW likely not scum with each other or masons.

[Malakittens]

Shit. Never mind. BMWS, don't ask.

????
Maybe I understand what's happening as well? Not really sure though. Also confused why everyone is rereading the thread now. Oh, well, guess I'm going to as well, see if there's anything I missed. Someone needs to explain this to me at some point. This whole thing as just been super confusing to me. Might just be too tired to be seeing anything...

Its kay i think I see it, but i'm not entirely sure, but frankly i don't really care.

[Malakittens]

ew you are right.

what the hell did I think I read something else in regards to what he was saying

[Malakittens]

Oh right ISO'ing reminds me why I stopped reading his posts in the first place!

Whatever Wisdom. I read something that I disagreed with. RVS is telling in some ways and I'm pretty sure the whole VDA is scum with Mathdino is likely wrong.

Either way they probably aren't masons or scum together

[Malakittens]

Also Mala, what is your read on me? The answer to Mathdino's question wasn't very telling in that regard.

I'm waffley in terms of you. I dislike your push on me. It seems premature. Your pushes haven't been as strong as I'm used too with town-Wisdom, but because I'm actually not very confident with scum-Wisdom. In fact I think the only times I ever saw scum-Wisdom was when you replaced into newbie games (which is a different environmental all together)

My gut is telling me scum-Wisdom, but my heart is just not there yet.

[Malakittens]

Hmm, yeah, you haven't played with scum-me now that I think about it

Or actually, you have, in my first scum game ever, a less pressure game. You even hammered me for the town win.

Yeah that's so old I didn't even remember it actually.

[Malakittens]

I think he's scummy, but not sure if I want to push a lynch on him until he's back so I can see a reaction.
I have a tell on him, but it know for sure it won't work in the condition that he is in.

[Malakittens]

Why does everything have to be scum motivation in reading someone. Why can't i be town feeling that someone posts rang town to me..?

[Malakittens]

Malakittens:

I suspect you're not reading my posts given 1) you apparently think I'm a "he" and 2) your recent exchange with Wisdom regarding what I said about Constantine's post. That's alright, though. I'm not here to judge you for that.

Your answers to Wisdom's recent questioning, especially post 692 and post 697, leave a lot to be desired. First, there's the issue of your read on Wisdom. When you strip away all the out-of-game references that I cannot evaluate and get to the core of the case, I'm left with the "premature push" reason, which I completely don't understand. When should he have pushed you? How should he have pushed you? Should he have waited for later? Why and if so, when would that have been? I have no idea.

Referring back to post 697, why do you think Victor is scummy? Also, if you have a tell you want to use on him, why are you saying so? Isn't it counterproductive to show your hand this early? I don't know if you're just trying to weigh things or if you really don't have a tell on Victor and you're just procrastinating on taking a side.

Eh, I'm the worst person with pronouns. Unless I talk to you like daily or played in a shitton of games I'll incorrectly call everyone by he because that's what my mind is defaulted at. I'll get it right sooner or later. Don't take it personally.

I misread your whole exchange with constantine. I'm sorry, but I'm not a robot and I'm human. I have this bad habit of reading the thread from current posts backwards to what I have to catch up on.

Because he knows how to read me without actually having to push me, but his premature push feels like he's fishing for a certain reaction from me and I'm really not in the mood for it. I have this tendency to be like a calm kitten until you poke me a million times and then I bite. That's exactly what I feel like Wisdom is doing to me. He doesn't have to push me. He can read me off reactions to others which I feel he isn't doing. Maybe part of it is my fault because I'm not able to give this game my all because of working, but even then.

I have a tell on Victor that I don't believe he actually knows and I'm not sure even with my vague comment he will. I believe that the card is still in my control. I think Victor is scummy flat out, but as I said before I have no desire to push someone who's on V/LA and not able to response back. i think it's unfair to do and I refuse to do it.

[Malakittens]

Why are you making a generalization in that we're all scumreading you for one particular reason?

That was in response to Newbie's post directed at me than "everyone"

[Malakittens]

I'm not liking the fact he's not here to defend himself and those who are pushing his lynch feel like overeager scumbags and should stop. I want reactions.

[Malakittens]

I mean we still have two days and his VLA ends today so good god calm the hell down

[Malakittens]

Look at activity overview.

I'd lynch him before a no lynch, but I still want him to respond. So again I'm asking you nicely to back off and see if he responds.

[Malakittens]

Will you stop misrepping me.

Do you enjoy kicking people when they are down? That's the equivalent of lynching someone before they have a chance to speak.

Why are you in such a rush to lynch him before he can give out thoughts or EVEN CLAIM FOR THAT MATTER.

Go be scummy elsewhere.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: VDA

[Malakittens]

I'm in a really weird mood.

Plus I thought the DL was creeping close

[Malakittens]

Ew guess there was 12 hours left. Although I'd still be asleep better than a NL

[Malakittens]

Dino staph overreacting.
You said nothing when riddle was biting my toes to vote VDA, but the min I vote him you decide to get all overdramatic

[Malakittens]

Fffffs you pos phone.

I didn't think it was 12 hours. I thought we had less.
Victor would have read by now.

[Malakittens]

Doubt it because it's prob a scum lynch

[Malakittens]

Nah even If he flips town you'd never get a lynch on me

[Malakittens]

Nope! I highly doubt it~

[Malakittens]

Anyways:

VDA is scum.
Newbie just gave me hibbyjibbies.
Bmws/mathdino/tth/Finn/mm are all town.
Wisdom im unsure.
sctH is probably town.
Riddle gutscum.

I forgot the rest so yah >_>

[Malakittens]

Because his apathy to being run up felt forced. He could have fought the lynch, caught up and gave up reads. His last effort was to stall reads til the morning, felt scummy. His early pushes were bad.

[Malakittens]

Anyways I'm showering. I'll post more if the thread is still open when I'm back

[Malakittens]

K
Confirmed newbie is scum with victor.

[Malakittens]

These are gun to my head type reads:

I'll explain further if I'm alive in D2.

Wisdom - null, but had to guess maaaaaaaaaaybe town
FinnLaw DukeC - prob town
wgeurts - likely town
St. Constantine The HermitThe Undertaker - was leaning town, but could be scum
Newbie - Gutscum
Malakittens - town
Riddleton SilverWolf - Leaning scum maybe~
Not_Mafia - Prob town
TellTaleHeart - prob town
VictorDeAngelo - Dead, but likely scum.
Mathdino - was leaning town, but that overreaction. I will mull that over after VDA's flip
blindmewithscience - likely town
acryon - prob scum

No, I don't want to explain my reads further, I'm in this ball of rage at the moment.

Although if Victor is scum, then Riddleton is prob town.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Malakittens]

It's MaLaKiTtIeS get it right.

but i mean you should use your vote to lynch scum.

[Malakittens]

hi guys

hiiii!

[Malakittens]

considering there are no investigative roles in this game, I am utterly unmoved by naked votes at daystart, especially after a scumflip

Wisdom has been scummy all game.

How much have you read?

[Malakittens]

Sorry,

VOTE: MaLaKiTtIeS

Thats still not using it to lynch scum.

[Malakittens]

Anyways, I believe MathDino is likely town.
Also I have a good feeling that Riddle might be as well even though he's being dumb and voting me.

[Malakittens]

considering there are no investigative roles in this game, I am utterly unmoved by naked votes at daystart, especially after a scumflip

Wisdom has been scummy all game.

How much have you read?

I'm mostly caught up, but I want to get both of your (you and riddle, since you're both so charged out of the gate) conceptions of the gamestate.

I'm just really hyped right now, don't ask me why :\

[Malakittens]

My lynch pool is this:

{Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, Wgegurts}

In that order.

[Malakittens]

No, Dino is very much town.

[Malakittens]

Hey Bork,

The post above makes me really lean-dino town, do you agree?

[Malakittens]

Fun fact,

Dino is scaring me with how town he is.

Like, actually scaring me.

@Preedit:

I disagree. His mindset is exactly like mine. His analysis is EXACTLY WHAT I DID during the night. Like he meta'd VDA and found the exact tells that I found with vda.

he's fucking town

[Malakittens]

also you fail to see how he reacted to my hammer, didn't you?

That wouldn't have been a OTT scumbuddy reaction

[Malakittens]

Neither, try again.

It's probably deff Wisdom and I'm either leaning Acryon or Newbie.

[Malakittens]

@Mala - This probably isn't a solid scum tell, but in the few times I've encountered it, every time a player kept trying to confirm someone as town, even when no one else was pushing the issue, one of the two ended up being scum. Can you just explain this to me a little bit more, because I'm not really catching your drift here

I'm not talking about the RVS-tell at all.

I'm talking about how MathDino went and meta'd VDA scum games. He took his meta and put it on a cloth line to dry. That's

exactly

what I did last night phrase and what he has bolded is exactly what I caught. So I'm pretty damn sure that's in my mindset and a damn town mindset to do.

Again, what's your reaction to his reaction after my hammer, do you really think that was a scum reaction? I don't.

[Malakittens]

Christ you just ignored the bulk of my fucking townread on him and you are deciding to still traction against my mathdino townread, die.

[Malakittens]

My lynch pool is this:

{Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, Wgegurts}

In that order.

Mala, any reasoning?

Welcome to the game, borkjerfkin.

You guys are posting wayyyy to fast. I step away for 5 minutes and a whole nother page

I did a vast meta research on VDA. He has a tendency to line up with scum partners like MathDino said and associate them with a townplayer. I have checked town games to see if he's done them there, but he has once, but when he did do it is was a vast difference.

I might be warming up to switch Riddle with you because I'm itching for a 1v1 and it's suprisingly one of those things I never want to do, but I'm in this mood to do it.

[Malakittens]

Non mafia question, but do you know if I can take Clartin D with Mucinex D, or is that tooo much D?

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I would vote Wisdom, but I'm completely confused about something.

Also, I love how I'm accused of bussing my someone that was so adamant to let VD speak earlier but ended up "accidentally" hammering him and going oh well afterwards.

To be really blunt. I had just hammered someone who was town and I felt really shitty that my reads were so wrong, so horribly wrong that game. I had beat myself up and figured that fuck it I'm sure VDA is scum so I felt like hammering and doing something right for a change.

But yes please try to equate my hammer as scummy

[Malakittens]

Do I detect a scumread on Malakittens or a tu quoque fallacy? Justify yourself, Newbie. Calling out hypocrisy is not a good response, as there are very very good reasons that Mala's town.

I'm just saying it's funny how I'm getting accused of bussing by Mala when the way she hammered VD was really odd. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Vote: Wisdom

I didn't accuse you of busing, are you reading my posts? You aren't even in my lynchpool today.

[Malakittens]

No, because you obv havent commented on the bulk of the mathdino posts that pretty much point straight to Wis-scum

[Malakittens]

Fuck I'm not reading that insane amt of spam from Wisdom.

[Malakittens]

Shit phone are you kidding me. I asked for overall activity not for you to hit enter.

Dino -- I pretty much did the same analysis as you on VDA's scum meta and found exactly what you did other than i didn't use all the words. I would have if I needed too. Hence me telling people you were for the doing the exact thing I did on VDA

[Malakittens]

No, Dino is very much town.

Here's where the meat of our Victor analysis is going to be.

Well Newbie, that explains your wallposting, haha. Are there any records left of one of your scum games and town games?

Hey Math, why so keen to get some early meta off Newbie?

I'm not sure what the problem is. I would think getting meta would be sharing useful information. I intend to look at meta of the players here. So even though you said you wanted to know why mathdino wanted that particular info. I guess I fail to see the problem with this and your explanation really didn't help me much. You are making way too much of a simple question as though you are looking for a reason to suspect someone. It's possible you just want to question Mathdino like you said, but this seems an odd thing to question him about. This is something else I am taking note of. FoS VictorDeAngelo

So do a lot of players, but I was wondering why he was looking to get meta off that player so early on. Often people looking for meta in the first few pages would have a particular reason, and I wanted to know his.

Mala looks pretty damn townie off her opening posts. I think I should be able to metaread you fairly well now, so I last long enough I will see if your scum.

Does not read as distancing, reads more like trying to appeal to Mala to keep Victor around.

I don't like Wguerts 105. This post doesn't fit the play at all.

As said, not bussing. 0 interaction with wgeurts.

Nor do I like Wisdom's 108 - particularly since he accused me of reaching and asking loaded questions earlier.

I like both the vote and point from Newbie in 124.

Awful rvs in 127.

@TTH are you really implying in 130 it's a waste time asking for reasoning because if a player is scum they will simply lie or have I misread that?

132 & 134 (this should really be one post anyhow ) Asks to meta read to help players understand his style and then tells everyone to ignore Newbie's meta because "the fact he's provided it probaly means he's aware of it and able to manipulate it."

If Wguerts is scum I can see Silverwolf being scum with him for 135.

Aha, okay. In one of his games he did exactly this. "If [townplayer] is scum, I can see [my scumbuddy] being scum with him." Not making me feel more comfortable about Riddleton.

Is the reason this game is so many pages because wgeurts is multiposting. Actually wgeuers and Newbie. Any chance we can keep it to one post at a time folks?

Blindmewithscience is sitting back too much with this post. Especially considering it's his only one outside of rvs.

Not bussing.

I still like my vote on Wguerts, but I really wish I had a second one for blindmewithscience. Not too sure on anyone else right now. A few players on the list need to show still so we'll see.

And like that - I am gone.

Hey Bork,

The post above makes me really lean-dino town, do you agree?

Fun fact,

Dino is scaring me with how town he is.

Like, actually scaring me.

@Preedit:

I disagree. His mindset is exactly like mine. His analysis is EXACTLY WHAT I DID during the night. Like he meta'd VDA and found the exact tells that I found with vda.

he's fucking town

@Mala - This probably isn't a solid scum tell, but in the few times I've encountered it, every time a player kept trying to confirm someone as town, even when no one else was pushing the issue, one of the two ended up being scum. Can you just explain this to me a little bit more, because I'm not really catching your drift here

I'm not talking about the RVS-tell at all.

I'm talking about how MathDino went and meta'd VDA scum games. He took his meta and put it on a cloth line to dry. That's

exactly

what I did last night phrase and what he has bolded is exactly what I caught. So I'm pretty damn sure that's in my mindset and a damn town mindset to do.

Again, what's your reaction to his reaction after my hammer, do you really think that was a scum reaction? I don't.

[Malakittens]

My lynch pool is this:

{Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, Wgegurts}

In that order.

[Malakittens]

I didn't find a scumread on Wisdom.

I'd appreciate if you did read that insane amt of spam from Wisdom, and at least respond to the ABCDEFGH case.

I will later right now I just woke up to the thread being 3++ pages rather than it was when I went to bed bc wisdom did his spam.

Plus work and plus his read is bullshit and he admits that has has read me wrong in the past as town but still would likely flat out go hey hey I thought she was town after I tunneled her so I can still read her which I find highly annoying. He did incorrectly read me and read me right after I claimed, so yes hence bullshit because he can't tell town mala from scum mala

[Malakittens]

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I didn't ask you where you got your townread on me, since that seems to already be a popular opinion as someone pointed out.

I asked where you got your scumread on Wisdom, and how my posts prior to #1033 lead one to a Wisscumread.

Read my posts correctly then. I stated that I had done the same work you did in terms of finding how VDA assicaotes his scum buddies. I just didn't wall it like you did because I had no intention of doing it plus I always like to keep some meta tells hidden (not that it would have been anyways)

Hence where my lynchpool came from. Not because I was sheeping your damn analysis but because I did it myself and came to the same conclusion.

[Malakittens]

I had wrote it first, but never explained where my pool came from, but that's where because of how he tends to say well if X is scum then Y is a scum buddy and he always puts a town with a scum partner there

[Malakittens]

Lol my opening vote did come from my analysis. I hadn't said my lynchpool was that at the time.
There was things that I liked about SW's play that made me hesitant there. I like my vote on Wisdom. He really feels off, all of his posts, his pushes everything. I hated how wisdom and wges were Counterwagons. I hated how he dropped his scum read on me or at least it randomly disappeared and now that I voted him it's somehow back

[Malakittens]

You wanna know what's really shitty.

Besides gut, VDA's meta research analysis and Wisdom being off the lynch and being abouestly hard-headed against it I wanna get him lynched.

I don't really see why MathDino is wanting is to get lynched one after another. It's lining up lynches if both Wisdom and I are town and I hate that. (even then I'd still win over Wisdom)

[Malakittens]

I wouldn't be totally against a PL on SCtH, but if that was going to happen the best time would be this Day rather than later. I just feel that even though he's has a big ego that he's just defending what he feels and that not particularly scummy, but it's just that it's making him come off as an asshole.

[Malakittens]

I don't know why you keep asking for his meta when you damn right know he won't reveal his main

[Malakittens]

Wisdom If you are remotely town you'll work with me and not against me.

You barely play with town-mala so I think because you have always default to scum mala I thibk

[Malakittens]

No, I'm willing to work to see if I can sort you bettet

[Malakittens]

Will you explain what led to your scumreading me so confidently?

I already explained it, please read.
It was more of an associative tell with Victor than your play really.

Rereading my post you quoted just made me realise I PoE'd more people than there are town. Maybe NM is scum after all. I do want to hear from Newbie, hopefully she won't get replaced. Also just checked and apparently Mala never explained her twilight read on her.

Yo Mala, even if it's no longer valid, what gave you the scumread on Newbie yesterday?

Was gut. I didn't like the way she was acting. Everyone's flipping out at me for hammering Victor felt off, mainly hers and Riddles. BMWS at least attempted to talk to me.

[Malakittens]

It was more of an associative tell with Victor than your play really.

You told Bork "Wisdom has been scummy all game".

Because you were hard against the Vic wagon. You were trying to actually lynch new-town than actual scum and I hated that part of your play. The larger associative tell came later when I found the whole thing how Victor treats his scumbuddies in relation to town.

So yes as far as I'm concerned you and Riddle are most likely scum, hence, my lynchpool.

The amount of pointless questions that are coming here still don't make me feel better about your slot, tbh.

[Malakittens]

Just leave N_M alone. It's not like we actually think he's scum or anything we are voting him for pressure because he hasn't been contributing. Let's get back to the issue at hand, thanks!

[Malakittens]

Ugh whatever, I'm mixing up shit. Either way I can't really explain gut, but I had a jibe from her posts that didn't sit well with me. Just that at the same time she was attacking me for hammering Vic she couldn't actually make her up mind. Something was off, but I can't exactly pin point it hence why I didn't explain it at the time because I couldn't. I still can't.

Just leave him alone. He actually does this as town all the time and is more commonly mislynch bait. He does more effort as scum. Yes, I have meta'd him in the past and played with him to actually know that~

[Malakittens]

@Mod: I'll be LA starting tomorrow the 4th until the 11th of Nov. Going to Titus-meet.

I'll be posting while waiting for planes tomorrow however!

[Malakittens]

I literally play most of my games as hydra's. I have a lot solo /:
Or evil regals I brought her back from the dead

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Mala isnt asleep but spent the last 12 hours on trains and planes